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It was the best of bills, it was the worst of bills, it was the age of stupidity, it was the age of unimaginable stupidity…..

I know what you’re thinking; what-the-Dickens does that mean?

I was looking at the images of the twenties which georger posted and was surprised at how vast the variance was of the condition. One bill was bug eaten, but looked indistinguishable from what is in my wallet now. The bill labeled ‘Rust’ showed much more wear and represented the opposite end of the spectrum.

Side by side they shared the same ‘insect’ or ‘bacteria?’ damage which indicates that whatever dined on these things, showed little preference for rusty versus clean bills.

Is the ‘Rusty’ bill what it looked like before Cooper got it? Or was the rust stain transferred afterwards? The heavy rust transfer would indicate an environment favoring air over being submerged in water perhaps? The relatively clean bill, presumably from the center of the mass, appears to have avoided any great or obvious water damage. Is this correct? I can almost make out some sort of shape with the rust pattern.

So is this evidence of being out of the water since rust would form and transfer more effectively that way, along with the cleaner bill? Is that the period when the bugs would have chowed down until being evicted by a watery ride to Tena Bar?

Nothing like spending a day realizing how little I know about so much, now I’m depressed.



dont take rust literally - Tom says its not rust.
I dont know; never saw or handled/tested the bill.
That photo I posted is an old photo from years ago
when someone (Snowmman?) posted the photo,
and I believe it was 377 asked: "Whats that rust?"
People were looking for any sign of the parachute/
chute hardware in associattion with the money find
site. I labeled that photo 'rust' to keep track of that
photo in my files.. that's all. I am sure 377 will recall
and confirm that exchange from years ago here -




"Is that the period when the bugs would have chowed down until being evicted by a watery ride to Tena Bar? "

could Petrifaction been taking place while underwater? paper is wood. they were all stuck together.
"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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dont take rust literally - Tom says its not rust.
I dont know; never saw or handled/tested the bill.
That photo I posted is an old photo from years ago
when someone (Snowmman?) posted the photo,
and I believe it was 377 asked: "Whats that rust?"
People were looking for any sign of the parachute/
chute hardware in associattion with the money find
site. I labeled that photo 'rust' to keep track of that
photo in my files.. that's all. I am sure 377 will recall
and confirm that exchange from years ago here -



I remember that dialog well Georger. The "rust" outline looked suspiciously like an outline of common parachute harness hardware (which is made out of steel) , but I was probably smoking hopium and seeing what I wanted to see.

Great find on the publication. That NOAA paper is waaaay over my head, but the authors could probably look at the Tena Bar Twenty photos and give an educated guess as to what made the holes.

377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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You hold the ‘Golden Ticket’ 377, literally. You’re the only person who has an authenticated Cooper artifact, and lives in the center sanctum of all things technology.

Stanford, San Jose State and the University of Santa Clara all have superb science departments. I would imagine that some department head or student would love to study this bill and see if they can find anything. You may (just may) want to go the non-destructive testing route, but it’s your call.

I don’t think some model citizen, college student, would engage in the shameful behaviors paraded within the amateur circles, and would more than likely provide some objective data.

You’ll know you’re in trouble if the microbiology department identifies the holes as being from ‘Noseeums’ , and just happens to ask if that bill had ever been in a French-Canadian comic book. That’s when I’ll know the Mayan Calendar thing will come true in a few weeks.

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I am up for having my DBC twenty tested.

Any specific suggestions?

Too much focus on the Dan Cooper comics. We know Cooper didnt speak French or Canadian, no accent was reported. A brave innovative crime like that had to be conceived and executed by an American, and a Bourbon drinker at that. He didnt ask for Cognac, he asked for Bourbon.

Here is the comic that inspired him, Smilin Jack. Yes, that's Tina in his arms as he decends, looking forward to a life with money and hot stew.

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I’m no microbiologist but, I do recognize and understand bullshit when I see it.

I would like to know what made those holes. Mechanical, bacteria, insect, or unknown.

Is there a way to determine the length of time the bill was exposed to water and or air, numerous cycles?

Is there a way to determine what, if any, forces the bill was exposed to?

What cell forms or eggs are on the bill?

Types of fibers, chemicals or particulate matter not associated with American currency.

Potential sources of the above samples.

Is there a way to geo-locate this bill, based solely upon geology (i.e.-Washougal vs Tena Bar)? Was there ever?

Are there ink or material transfer(s) and what would be the cause?

I’m sure georger will have many more and probably better refined.

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dont take rust literally - Tom says its not rust.
I dont know; never saw or handled/tested the bill.
That photo I posted is an old photo from years ago
when someone (Snowmman?) posted the photo,
and I believe it was 377 asked: "Whats that rust?"
People were looking for any sign of the parachute/
chute hardware in associattion with the money find
site. I labeled that photo 'rust' to keep track of that
photo in my files.. that's all. I am sure 377 will recall
and confirm that exchange from years ago here -



I remember that dialog well Georger. The "rust" outline looked suspiciously like an outline of common parachute harness hardware (which is made out of steel) , but I was probably smoking hopium and seeing what I wanted to see.

Great find on the publication. That NOAA paper is waaaay over my head, but the authors could probably look at the Tena Bar Twenty photos and give an educated guess as to what made the holes.

377


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Major benthic invertebrate taxa collected in the 10 beach nourishment areas included nemerteans, oligochaetes, Fluminicola virens, Corbicula fluminea, Corophium salmonis, Corophium spinicorne, Chironomidae larvae, and Ceratopogonidae larvae.

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oligochaetes

Fluminicola virens

Corbicula fluminea

Corophium salmonis

Corophium spinicorne

Chironomidae larvae

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The Citizen Sleuths described the money site being high on the bank and 150 yards down river from the spoils delivery point. It was too high on the bank and too far for a dredge discharge or bulldozer to push the money, and the money had rubber bands and only three bundles together.



I did NOT know of this report, but I have told the FBI since 1996 there was a fence and shed and the tree and he did NOT go down to the river (just along the fenced area and behind the shed) other than the OTHER stop East of Winterly Park and at the Red Lion. Expect this never went any further than MR. H. but the FBI never listened to me or asked me any specific question. I was telling this story BEFORE I ever knew about the Citizens Sleuth and I do not remember reading the accounting you mentioned above....but, it is WHAT I have MAINTAINED for 17 fricking yrs.

According to what you just said above that money was found just about where I told them.

Even Fazio told them that the dreging never deposited in that area.

Interesting story you are creating for Galen, but only idiots will buy it because I had explained yrs and yrs ago how that money got there and it was not dredging material.

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But the money was found on the tree line, past where dozers operated and slightly under the surface. When I registered the images from ’74, 79’ and today, I found the bank to be extremely amorphous. Checking for floods listed the ‘big ones’ but nothing about the normal flow or discharge rates. In fact, the money discovery site appears to be submerged in the modern Google map images.



It was not under water in 1979 or 1980. FAZIO said himself that the one flood that came thru in the yrs before the find - was the only one that flooded the banks, but REMEMBER that was before 1979!. Surely if that money had been on those banks from 1971 to 1979 - SOMEONE would have found them!

:):( Duane had NOTHING in his hands...but he had on a lightweight jacket with a flannel liner (probably that nylon/polyester fleece and not flannel).



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During some unknown amount of time, those fans were eroded and the bank went back to a linear profile. While the river was cycling through its normal level changes, it pulled away the overburden which covered the money. When the whole bag broke free it drifted briefly and snagged on some roots or branches on the river’s edge. The bag decayed (whatever) and three bundles were left behind with the rubber bands, and were eventually covered with a paucity of sand. Then it was found by Brian.



So this is what you and GALEN where cooking up. Well, it just did NOT happen that way. Can I prove it - no more than you can prove your theory. If the FBI wants to put this to a lie detector or even a truth serum - I will do it. I realize that is very dangerous, but at my age I am willing to do it in a hospital setting.

The ONE flood they had before Sept of 1979 would have washed the money away if it was there prior to the flood. Another theory would be the flood washed the money from the point Duane buried something along the river across from the PDX and/or what he threw into the riverr at the Portland Bridge behind the Red Lion, but Duane specifically went to the fence and down from the damn shed - he was out of my site because I was with the car near the large trees in the parking area and to the East of the house and North of the house. I could only see the front of the house and the East side. Check out the old photos!


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Or…. I’m just trying to steer and push this thing because I like simple stuff first. But that’s my latest thinking, unless someone has a simpler version or more complicated solution since something proves this couldn’t happen.



Well, I just provided and it is NOT complicated.

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Again (Again for the insecure types) this is not THE solution, just the fallback when exploring other possibilities, without having to consider probabilities.



Glad you made that statement and you just might have to KISS it (Keep it simple Stupid). What do you think Duane's favorite expression was - KISS! Ever heard me talk about KISSY KISSY? Perhaps that expression was not his kissy ways but his Keep IT Simple Stupid Attiitude!
It made him a VERY rich man...no I am NOT talking about Duane - just a friend of his.
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Yeah I saw this too. Problem is he's got a bunch of different stories about where the money came from so who knows if it was buried.

What is interesting, to me, is the word "petrified".

According to articles, the Ingrams thought at first the money was driftwood.

I know the official story but I've wondered (because of the seemingly uniform disintegration around the edges) if the Ingrams might have thrown it in the fire before they realized what it was.
I can see fire burning around the edges like that, but surely recent burning would have been noticed by the FBI.
I don't know about solving the case, but I definitely thought they could get more information from the money than they have.
but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Ms. Weber, Regardless of how many times and versions of stories about Duane you post, they still won't wash, they won't float, and they sure as hell won't fly.

Isn't it amazing how, just a few days ago, you claimed you should not be expected to remember things 20 years ago after you inadvertently posted something you discovered you wanted to deny. Since then you have posted about 10 pages of things from 30+ years ago even going into every minor detail imaginable.

The memory plays tricks on us at time doesn't it?

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Yeah I saw this too. Problem is he's got a bunch of different stories about where the money came from so who knows if it was buried.

What is interesting, to me, is the word "petrified".

According to articles, the Ingrams thought at first the money was driftwood.

I know the official story but I've wondered (because of the seemingly uniform disintegration around the edges) if the Ingrams might have thrown it in the fire before they realized what it was.
I can see fire burning around the edges like that, but surely recent burning would have been noticed by the FBI.
I don't know about solving the case, but I definitely thought they could get more information from the money than they have.


The word "petrified" was the whole reason I posted it, the black edges is what caught my eye, you would think they would have found ash in the testing if Brian tossed it in the fire? also found Mr. Termite loves money B|
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Crooks don't discard cash.




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Tena bar money drives me nuts. It puts a constraint on the equation solution that looks so appealing, but in the end it proves nothing about who DBC was or what happened to him.



;)AND that money is why the Cooper Story will go on and don and on. Step back and look at the UNLIKELY and you find the answers.

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When the money was originally found I thought BINGO, soon the case will be solved. Boy was I wrong.



;):D:DYEP and YEP again. You never heard of a small time criminal leaving a 20 on a dresser to buy the kids dinner with after taking their father's wallet from a hotel room then? A crook with a heart!

Yep, A crook with a heart - they actually exist! Not all crooks are harden criminals! Wonder what the significance of leaving a 20 was? Did he always do that - probably not? Why would he change? Perhaps becoming a victim himself with 3 or 4 young-ins to feed around 1965 or 1971. Just a story told to me by someone I used to know! Just coincidentally involved a 20.

The victim probably thought the 20 was just something the thief overlooked and didn't give it a second thought - perhaps not even important enough to mention when the detective shows up.

;);):D:D:|
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Yep and Yep again!

It there was the jumper and an assistant on the ground with some communication device to find each other...like the signals the FBI put into some of the othe skyjacker packs after that.
Perhaps someone found his body and the money!

What if Cooper didn't survive his injuries - what would the assistant or the person who found his body and the chute do?

Get rid of the evidence - bury Cooper? Now how could he do that - take him to a cemetery and find a fresh grave - either one ready for a funeral that day or a fresh one where the soil was easy to remove. Unlikely, but I heard this theory from someone else over the yrs.

:o
Hey as good a theory as some of the other off the wall scientific theories!

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dont take rust literally - Tom says its not rust.
I dont know; never saw or handled/tested the bill.
That photo I posted is an old photo from years ago
when someone (Snowmman?) posted the photo,
and I believe it was 377 asked: "Whats that rust?"
People were looking for any sign of the parachute/
chute hardware in associattion with the money find
site. I labeled that photo 'rust' to keep track of that
photo in my files.. that's all. I am sure 377 will recall
and confirm that exchange from years ago here -



I remember that dialog well Georger. The "rust" outline looked suspiciously like an outline of common parachute harness hardware (which is made out of steel) , but I was probably smoking hopium and seeing what I wanted to see.

Great find on the publication. That NOAA paper is waaaay over my head, but the authors could probably look at the Tena Bar Twenty photos and give an educated guess as to what made the holes.

377


Burrowing Beach Critters.. that live along the river, some are aquatic.. some are terrestrial.. and aka baby salmon food :)
Major benthic invertebrate taxa collected in the 10 beach nourishment areas included nemerteans, oligochaetes, Fluminicola virens, Corbicula fluminea, Corophium salmonis, Corophium spinicorne, Chironomidae larvae, and Ceratopogonidae larvae.

nemerteans

oligochaetes

Fluminicola virens

Corbicula fluminea

Corophium salmonis

Corophium spinicorne

Chironomidae larvae

Ceratopogonidae larvae


Good grief! Do they teach this in parachute school?

Amateur bug collector? Do you watch the Critter
Channel? None of my business but... now Im
impresseed/curious. You found the pdf too easily? Almost as if you know what you're looking for ? I think its pretty nerdy and cool!

I have a diatom expert or two I could introduce you
to up there! Im serious. Id you dont already know
them!

B|

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I’m no microbiologist but, I do recognize and understand bullshit when I see it.

I would like to know what made those holes. Mechanical, bacteria, insect, or unknown.

Is there a way to determine the length of time the bill was exposed to water and or air, numerous cycles?

Is there a way to determine what, if any, forces the bill was exposed to?

What cell forms or eggs are on the bill?

Types of fibers, chemicals or particulate matter not associated with American currency.

Potential sources of the above samples.

Is there a way to geo-locate this bill, based solely upon geology (i.e.-Washougal vs Tena Bar)? Was there ever?

Are there ink or material transfer(s) and what would be the cause?

I’m sure georger will have many more and probably better refined.



All I know is TK says the holes are due to bacteria -
its on his website ? - he shows the whole
development cycle beginning with what looks like a
bruise (bacterial colony feasting), then deeper hole
(which under a sem would look like a moon crater),
then a hole ... some holes with flapping pieces ...
makes sense to me ... I like simple. All I did say
was it could have been confirmed with dna but alas
that was not to be.

I dont even know where these critter live in the zone
profile: surface, sub surface, mid zone, 2 feet 3 feet
4 more, 6 feet 7 feet 8 feet or.. buggars would need
oxy to metabolise however wherever they reside in
the vertical profile. I wonder how much rent they pay?

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Ms. Weber, Regardless of how many times and versions of stories about Duane you post, they still won't wash, they won't float, and they sure as hell won't fly.

Isn't it amazing how, just a few days ago, you claimed you should not be expected to remember things 20 years ago after you inadvertently posted something you discovered you wanted to deny. Since then you have posted about 10 pages of things from 30+ years ago even going into every minor detail imaginable.

The memory plays tricks on us at time doesn't it?

Robert99



YOU are a piece of CRAP. I am telling something I have told for yrs....where were you in 1996 when I telling the story to my friends and family and anyone at the FBI who would listen to me and to Doug Pasternac. There are somethings I cannot remember. It takes the right kind of circumstances - hell I can tell you about things from the time I was 3 and 4, but they are limited and the story never changes and sometimes just talking about them you remember other parts of the story as it happened.

Such as I called my brother NOT long ago asking him if he could remember a time we were on a train - bear in mind he is 18 months younger than I am, but his memory is fantastic. Better than mine. I had asked my sister because I thought she was with us....but she had no memory of this. As my brother and I talked we both remembered the trip to Ohio and it was before my sister was born - which means I was 5 and my brother was 3.

There was a berth provide for children to nap on - back in the day. I remembered what he was wearing and that he would NOT stay down - being a brat. What he did remember that I did not was the purpose of the trip with our mother - to go to the ZOO.
Our father came up a few days later on a wk-end to retrive us from our visit with a great-grandmother and her daughter who live with her and to take us all to the zoo. We both in that conversation started to remember other things about that train ride - it was an amazing trip down memory lane for a 3 yr old and 5 yrs old - We had never talked about this and there ARE no pictures....just our memories!

I had called my brother because for some reason I could not get it out of my mind. Bear in mind I had NOT talked about nor did I remember that trip until a few days ago! A memory out of the blue one day and it kept bugging and bugging me. First I called the sister - a no go and then I called my amazing brother. Together we walked memory lane with no pictures or remembering any family story about this trip - just the two of us exploring our past.

Next time you want to FAULT my memory - find what I said and exactly what you are referencing.
When I was underpressure it was hard to remember things, but just like the train trip - things come back to you. Perhaps some day you will get to enjoy this journey into the past - when you are trying to cling onto the present.

You will find yourself amazed at what you can remember. I will forgive you for that SLAM, because I happen to know that what I have told is true.

Am I delusional or making it up?
The story about my brother and I at age 3 and 5 being recalled after all of these yrs is exactly what the human mind is capabable of doing. I maybe recalling something I may have pushed away - because my mind was filled with survival and work and men friends. Now my life is quiet and solitary - I have plenty of time to look back into the past with NO pictures of family affairs to do it with. There was no picture of that trip in the family album that either of us are aware of. I left home at 20 yrs of age and never again saw the family album or what few pics there were of our lives.

Next time you SLAM show the proof and then I will show you in BLACK and WHITE and in TAPES these things I have told for 17 yrs......yes, memory does become more vidid as one ages -old memories become the norm and the new memories seem to be difficult to hold onto. Don't ask the name of the woman I met in the drug story last wk - I don't remember it - that is what an address book is for - to remove the clutter.
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Blevins said:

Never said I went to Tena Bar. Can't go there without permission, and when you get there everything is different from 40 years ago anyway.
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Farflung and Georger: Suggestion for you two. Why don't you copy over your post (maybe edited a bit) and send off your concerns to the source...namely Tom Kaye and his team. .



Oh! Ive heard of him somewhere.

My speculation is, Tom Kaye and his team,
read this forum. And if Tom can't Barry can. And
if Barry can't Harry can. And if Harry can't Mary
can! Go Team! Defense defense defense.

They have a contact under CONTACT on the
website, I believe.

I love fiddle players.

GO PANTS.

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Sorry for the delay in responding to this but I apparently missed it when it was first posted.

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Basically, the "clearance" was "do whatever you have to do and we will keep people out of your way". .... it was clearly implied that they could depart V-23 if they so desired.



Doesn't mean they WOULD depart much from V23. They were under some control by NWA and some by the wishes of the hijacker. Also, they were not accustomed to VOR airway flying.

R99 replies:

It also doesn't mean than they WOULD NOT depart from V23. NWA may have been talking to both the airplane and Seattle ATC but it was Seattle ATC that controlled the flight.

The flight crew was TOTALLY accustomed to VOR airway flying since it was MANDATORY. All airliners have been required to operated under IFR Flight Plans since a mid-air collision between two airliners over Glen Canyon several decades ago.

In commercial passenger or revenue operations, the airliners never leave controlled airspace. But the flight to Reno was not such a flight.

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...However, if the FBI flight path charts are to be believed, the airliner did quite a bit of wandering laterally on V-23 during its flight to the Mayfield (now Malay) Intersection and then on to the Portland (now Battleground) VORTAC.



One might believe this if one did not understand the info on the FBI flightpath charts. If you put in ±.5 minute tolerance zones centered on the plotted points, a line can be drawn through all the zones with no wandering laterally between SEATAC and the Mayfield intersection other than an approximately 6° drift to the NW entirely consistent with them flying by compass and relying on the erroneous wind report given to them just before departure. (Someone at SEATAC told them from 180 magnetic when it was actually from about 140 magnetic.) This put them a bit N of the airport at Toledo rather than at the intersection.

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They were NOT flying by compass (as in dead reckoning) when they departed Seattle. They were tracking down V23 using their two VOR navigational receivers. Ideally, they would have stayed on the V23 centerline. The wind direction was not relevant since a simple change in their crab angle would have been sufficient to correct for the wind and keep them on the centerline. However, they were having problems controlling the aircraft and wandered around V23. And there is nothing wrong with that considering their situation.

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The Oakland transcripts depict life and (sic) it was lived in that day. And it is clearly evident that the Seattle ATC transcripts have been "scrubbed" to delete relevant information about the airliner's flight path.



I've studied them. It is not evident to me. Seattle center was quite considerate of the crew's plight and said they would monitor the comms with the company. I think the comms just switched over to the company channel and we have never seen transcript of those comms. I'd almost bet the FBI hasn't either.

RN replies:

The Seattle ATC communications did NOT switch over to the company channel (which was actually the ARINC channel at that point). Part of the information from the ARINC channel transcripts are in the FBI Notes. All communications between the Seattle ATC and the airliner were direct.

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If you feel that the time and position marks on the FBI's charts are correct, then please explain how an aircraft flying at constant speed can travel three miles in one minute and then six miles in the next minute without changing speed or spoofing the clock.



What appears to be random changes in ground distance covered is caused by the fact the positions that were plotted were rounded to whole minutes of latitude and longitude. Unfortunately, such low precision of the data is significant for our problem.

R99 replies:

There is no indication in the transcripts that any rounding was done. Surely you are aware that a minute of latitude (which is measured north/south) is one nautical mile. At the Portland latitude, a minute of longitude (which is measured east/west) is somewhat less than one nautical mile (if I remember from my calculations it is approximately 0.7 nautical miles). So rounding to the nearest minute of latitude and longitude would NOT cause a three nautical mile error.

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To summarize the flight path information, no one knows precisely the airliner's position during the time it was in the Portland area.



It is known precisely enough to know that it did not pass near Tena Bar.

R99:

Show your evidence!

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If you accept the FBI's flight path with a segmented circle around the west side of Portland, then please explain why it would not be much simpler to just change course a few degrees to the west earlier and then fly a straight line to a point on V-23 south of Portland.



It would be simpler to change course earlier if they weren't being distracted by finding a nice quiet corner to get Coop to jump, and if they knew well ahead of time that they were just going to bypass their first alternate landing site. They did not plan their entire flight out ahead of time without regard to cooperating with Coop.



R99 replies:

Cooper supposedly jumped long before the airliner got to Portland.

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I suggested this before but do not remember if anyone even noticed. I was thinking mold from being stored in a metal box underground - perhaps under an old storage room or under the house itself. Duane used the excuse of an old lady asking him to move somethings for being dirty (for all I know he could have looked up and old girl friend).

Duane disappeared for several hours in The Dalles area I was thinking perhaps the money was buried some place. He had plenty of time - 2 hrs each way with over an hour to retrive stuff.

I looked at the areas within 2 hours drive of The Dalles, but not knowing the area had no idea.

I have seen old books and other papers kept in basements and underhouses - when retrived did appear log like. Books that have been kept in dark places and packed pretty good would get wet and then dry out over and over for several yrs. These old books looked just like what you describe - all stuck together and dark and damaged with mud and there would be black with
holes (I assumed mold growing and then dying when they dried out over and over for 10 yrs or so). They would also have holes caused by mites or mole. Paper mites - remember those things?

The natural pigments in the pages turn brown. Paper is made of PLUP - most is bleached to be white and then printed. The paper money is made of contains lots of little fibers so it cannot be easily counterfitted, I do not know what they used in the bills back then.

Why I keep saying the money was NOT in the river for 9 yrs. Perhaps stored where it became water logged and dried out and then wet again and in a dark damp place. The place might even have been on the river.

I was never able to get the FBI to look for property that was owned on the river across from the PDX - curious who owned it.
Did it start with a W or M or N? I didn't have time to do the Vancouver property search of that area - it would have taken more time and better eyes than I have. Just could not afford the time I would have needed to stay in Vancouver.

I had volunteers to do these searches - but they would NOT know what they are looking for.
I wish I had a list of all of the River owners and manufactures along the River banks from Vancouver to Washoughal from 1946 to 1971. Some of these are NOT in public records by name but owned by groups, LC and Corps and some owned by the county and state. I was never able to acquire such a list.

One location in Vancouver across from the PDX. It was an old house that was torn down by the time I was there in 2000 and it had new homes on it. In 1979 when Duane took me there it had been torn down but the trees where still there. He used to KNOW the people who owned the house that used to be there.

The FBI would NOT even check this out. Had a name come up that was related to Weber or one that I had heard then we could have pin pointed the area. I know about where it was - but not how to access the records without being there. This is the location where he told me to stay in the car - and he went down a steep inbankment to the river, but do NOT know if he went all the way to the river. I found in 2000 what I thought was the area but 3 new homes had been built there - per the construction they were built from 1990 to 2000. The did NOT seem to be to be in the style of the 80's.

I'll never have answers - and since I do not believe we go to heaven or see out old loved ones again - the truth will be buried with me - I was the only key to the past, but NO one has heard me and NO one cares but me.

NOT one word have I made up nor have I lied about these things - it get more and more difficult everytime I come here, but it is something I have to do and maybe I will say something that means something to someone. The past has been gone for so long that anyone who claims that SO and SO was Cooper will never be able to prove it without the help of the FBI who does not co-operate with anyone. Other than Cook and that alone spell GOVERNMENT conspiracy. Why? Because he is the only one the FBI talks to and he has filled the heads of the young agents with so much hype it is pathetic.

Galen is the boy who sold GLACIER ICE in Hawaii at the ripe old age of 15 or 16. Galen never knew HOW I came by that information. When he first contacted me Gossett was not a suspect - that would not happen until he was on a talk show that the phone call came in. None of his OTHER suspects panned out.
He could NOT find Tina on his OWN - he had to use ME to find her. I will never forget his phone call about this - he was not very kind and was very very angry - claiming that I promised to reveal Tina's location
in exchange for a photo of his suspect. IT was a cut out of a
college yr book with NO name. God was he mad as hell at me - that was several yrs before I gave him information he had to look up in order to find Tina. I did NOT put him on her doorstep.

I had NOT promise him Tina's address - he cross examined me over phone but, I had promised myself NOT to reveal her location and I did NOT.
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Blevins said:

Never said I went to Tena Bar. Can't go there without permission, and when you get there everything is different from 40 years ago anyway.
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Everything Blevins, I don't think so. Look at the maps, there are a lot of changes, that's to be expected, but not everything. Look, see -- once again you confuse your assumptions with reality. MeyerLouie



ARE YOU GUYS LISTENING OR READING? - TENA'S BAR CANNOT BE ACCESSED - IT IS LEASED TO A PRIVATE COMPANY. THERE WILL BE NO MORE COOPER SEARCHES THERE....THAT IS WRITTEN INTO THE LEASE.

YOU CAN TALK TO FAZIO BUT YOU CANNOT ACCESS THE BEACH.
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Blevins said:

Never said I went to Tena Bar. Can't go there without permission, and when you get there everything is different from 40 years ago anyway.
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Everything Blevins, I don't think so. Look at the maps, there are a lot of changes, that's to be expected, but not everything. Look, see -- once again you confuse your assumptions with reality. MeyerLouie



ARE YOU GUYS LISTENING OR READING? - TENA'S BAR CANNOT BE ACCESSED - IT IS LEASED TO A PRIVATE COMPANY. THERE WILL BE NO MORE COOPER SEARCHES THERE....THAT IS WRITTEN INTO THE LEASE.

YOU CAN TALK TO FAZIO BUT YOU CANNOT ACCESS THE BEACH.



Tena's Bar leased to a private company? Jo, are you aware that federal regulations apply to rivers, their shores, flood areas, etc.

What is your source of information for making the lease claim? Do you even have a source?

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YOU CAN TALK TO FAZIO BUT YOU CANNOT ACCESS THE BEACH.



Jo there have been researchers there the last two
weeks. Thats a fact. Whoever they negotiated with
or got permission from, they've been there. No need
to burn the phone lines up. They are gone and lips
sealed.

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Is there a fungus, among us?

Or am I just fishing with this?

I think it is a sterling option.



TK website: "Enough holes were present in various
stages of decomposition that it could be determined
that the holes were not clean cuts from insects, but
appeared to start as a color change (Fig. 1A)
progressing to shredding of the fibers (Fig. 1B), and
finally to all the fibers in the hole disappearing (Fig.
1C). This is most consistent with a bacterial colony
that is consuming the paper."

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