DB Cooper

[airtwardo 7]

It's about someone recognizing him, not the other way around. So, how about the crew he worked with? Isn't there a chance he/she/they would recognize him? And they would not be the only ones at the job site Cooper would have had to interact with? How did he get the job in the first place?

Quote

Recognize him from what? The composite that people on the flight can't agree was accurate?

Doubt the flight crew would recognize him if he hadn't worked with them.

My better 1/2 has worked as flight crew for a major for almost 30 years now...the number of co-workers one comes in contact with is to overwhelming to remember many of then with any great detail.

I'm not saying Cooper worked for NWA, just that he 'could' have and quite easily gone unnoticed as an ex or current employee.

Sure there is a 'chance' he could have been recognized, slim but a chance.

Gee maybe he should have dyed his hair and maybe worn sunglasses as a disguise....oh wait.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[georger 244]

Quote

Recognize him from what? The composite that people on the flight can't agree was accurate?

Doubt the flight crew would recognize him if he hadn't worked with them.

My better 1/2 has worked as flight crew for a major for almost 30 years now...the number of co-workers one comes in contact with is to overwhelming to remember many of then with any great detail.

I'm not saying Cooper worked for NWA, just that he 'could' have and quite easily gone unnoticed as an ex or current employee.

Sure there is a 'chance' he could have been recognized, slim but a chance.

Gee maybe he should have dyed his hair and maybe worn sunglasses as a disguise....oh wait.

Its quite obvious Cooper could not have been
recognised by anyone at NWA, Boeing, and in all the
other venues you and Blevins cite.

Happy now?

Let's move on to carbon isotopes on the tie.

What's your dictum about that?

[377 22]

Move over Frenchy. Batman is in da house.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

db cooper $20 dollor bill!!!

I've copied the listing since the link will go dead shortly after the auction ends. See below. Brian Ingrams sister sold it and the buyer has put in on eBay.

Look at the Notary's name.

Wonder if it will sell for $5000? Seems a tad high. Nice specimen though.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

Another $20 recently sold on eBay for $3950.

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=180985189247&sbk=1

Note fading on rear side of the bill.

I've copied images so we can see them after eBay takes down the listing.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

According to the auctioneer good specimens sold for about $6500 initially.

Here is a link to a Google search. Lots of comments by coin/currency collectors. Some are amusing. One guy says more Cooper 20s are being found all the time.

https://www.google.com/search?q=db+cooper+bills+sold+on+ebay&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

See image below.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[mrshutter45 21]

"That man had on some type of uniform - perhaps a music director's or band director or even a choir leader. The case appears to be one that would carry a musical instrument."


Jo, if you are talking about the picture from Salt Lake, he does not have a case, he is carrying another jacket on a hanger, the black under his arm is a shadow

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[BobKnoss 0]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKLoS2a-bmE

[377 22]

Fake.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Robert99 50]

Quote

Quote

Quote

3. Automatically give anyone who presents a subject a truth test - within a few days.

ALL I want now is to know WHO the man was in Salt Lake City and what his connection was to the past of Duane L. Weber. I truely believe the answer to that ONE question will provide the answers to all other questions regarding Weber.

The man was DEFINITELY wearing a uniform of some type.

He worked on the grounds and in the visitors center in Sept of 1979. The name of the man and his background will answer a lot of questions - what was so difficult about this one thing I asked of the FBI?

Jo, Are you willing to take the first truth test?

It is very unlikely that anyone working on the "grounds" (you presumably mean "Temple Square") or the visitors center in Salt Lake City would be wearing a "uniform of some kind".

He would probably be conservatively dressed and wearing a name tag, but that is not a "uniform".

Robert99

Jo Weber apparently wrote and inserted the following:

I more than anyone here needs resolution and soon! Very tired and I don't know why I drive myself back everynight hoping some thing has happened and then go to bed with all of the qestions driving me insane.

I am already crazy, but I need to be set free and someone to help me live what is left of my life with dignity....I just want to be ME and I want to die with MY soul entact. I want to know what if feels like to crawl into bed a normal person and for there to be some holding me before I go.
Some one who know that I have done all I can do and that I gave it the best yrs of my life. I tried and I tried and now my life feels so useless because I accomplished NOTHING of what may be the only true story never be told about Weber.






person - free of the past.

I can answer that one with a resounding YES I will be the first on to take a truth test (make sure Jerry Thomas in NO where around me and that NONE of the questions are from him.

That man had on some type of uniform - perhaps a music director's or band director or even a choir leader. The case appears to be one that would carry a musical instrument.



I am game, but it would be so nice to locate information on that man before hand...and other pictures of this man and maybe a name.

[airtwardo 7]

Quote

Quote

Recognize him from what? The composite that people on the flight can't agree was accurate?

Doubt the flight crew would recognize him if he hadn't worked with them.

My better 1/2 has worked as flight crew for a major for almost 30 years now...the number of co-workers one comes in contact with is to overwhelming to remember many of then with any great detail.

I'm not saying Cooper worked for NWA, just that he 'could' have and quite easily gone unnoticed as an ex or current employee.

Sure there is a 'chance' he could have been recognized, slim but a chance.

Gee maybe he should have dyed his hair and maybe worn sunglasses as a disguise....oh wait.

Its quite obvious Cooper could not have been
recognised by anyone at NWA, Boeing, and in all the
other venues you and Blevins cite.

Happy now?

Let's move on to carbon isotopes on the tie.

What's your dictum about that?

I think you're mistaking me for someone who gives a shit, I've never sided with Mr. Blevins on any theory or candidate.

I do appreciate the legwork he's put into his theory though, and respect how he shrugs off the constant inconsequential childish banter you seem to put forth against him.

But I digress, to answer your post;

~ thanks for agreeing that it's obvious it would have been difficult to recognize someone in that instance under those circumstances.

~ Yes, I'm pretty much always happy.

~ carbon isotopes on the tie: As with the DNA & Fingerprint 'evidence', because of the seemingly poor chain of custody at this point it would likely have little value in excluding any-one's favorite candidate. INcluding one would be a million to one shot but I guess it's possible.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[MeyerLouie 5]

Quote

It's about someone recognizing him, not the other way around. So, how about the crew he worked with? Isn't there a chance he/she/they would recognize him? And they would not be the only ones at the job site Cooper would have had to interact with? How did he get the job in the first place?

Quote

Recognize him from what? The composite that people on the flight can't agree was accurate?

Doubt the flight crew would recognize him if he hadn't worked with them.

My better 1/2 has worked as flight crew for a major for almost 30 years now...the number of co-workers one comes in contact with is to overwhelming to remember many of then with any great detail.

I'm not saying Cooper worked for NWA, just that he 'could' have and quite easily gone unnoticed as an ex or current employee.

Sure there is a 'chance' he could have been recognized, slim but a chance.

Gee maybe he should have dyed his hair and maybe worn sunglasses as a disguise....oh wait.

Your point is well taken. My theory works if one assumes that the composite is accurate enough, and there doesn't seem to be much consensus on that. It amazes me that Tina talked to this guy for nearly 5 hours and she didn't come up with a more definitive composite. She had opporunity to study Cooper for hours. I'm just surprised the composite she came up with is not more defninitive. MeyerLouie

[airtwardo 7]

Quote

Quote

It's about someone recognizing him, not the other way around. So, how about the crew he worked with? Isn't there a chance he/she/they would recognize him? And they would not be the only ones at the job site Cooper would have had to interact with? How did he get the job in the first place?

Quote

Recognize him from what? The composite that people on the flight can't agree was accurate?

Doubt the flight crew would recognize him if he hadn't worked with them.

My better 1/2 has worked as flight crew for a major for almost 30 years now...the number of co-workers one comes in contact with is to overwhelming to remember many of then with any great detail.

I'm not saying Cooper worked for NWA, just that he 'could' have and quite easily gone unnoticed as an ex or current employee.

Sure there is a 'chance' he could have been recognized, slim but a chance.

Gee maybe he should have dyed his hair and maybe worn sunglasses as a disguise....oh wait.

Your point is well taken. My theory works if one assumes that the composite is accurate enough, and there doesn't seem to be much consensus on that. It amazes me that Tina talked to this guy for nearly 5 hours and she didn't come up with a more definitive composite. She had opportunity to study Cooper for hours. I'm just surprised the composite she came up with is not more definitive. MeyerLouie

Quite possibly she had issues regarding the stress of the situation that could have clouded accurate recollection.

That being said, it's often difficult for victims to pick out a perp from an actual photograph line up...actual physical evidence is obviously more reliable and nearly indisputable. One has to wonder if the crime scene would have been processed with the methodology prominently used today, the investigation wouldn't be long since over.

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[mrshutter45 21]

Quote

Quote

It's about someone recognizing him, not the other way around. So, how about the crew he worked with? Isn't there a chance he/she/they would recognize him? And they would not be the only ones at the job site Cooper would have had to interact with? How did he get the job in the first place?

Quote

Recognize him from what? The composite that people on the flight can't agree was accurate?

Doubt the flight crew would recognize him if he hadn't worked with them.

My better 1/2 has worked as flight crew for a major for almost 30 years now...the number of co-workers one comes in contact with is to overwhelming to remember many of then with any great detail.

I'm not saying Cooper worked for NWA, just that he 'could' have and quite easily gone unnoticed as an ex or current employee.

Sure there is a 'chance' he could have been recognized, slim but a chance.

Gee maybe he should have dyed his hair and maybe worn sunglasses as a disguise....oh wait.

Your point is well taken. My theory works if one assumes that the composite is accurate enough, and there doesn't seem to be much consensus on that. It amazes me that Tina talked to this guy for nearly 5 hours and she didn't come up with a more definitive composite. She had opporunity to study Cooper for hours. I'm just surprised the composite she came up with is not more defninitive. MeyerLouie

don't forget Florence had another sketch made that is different from all the others, she claimed they really didn't look like him, round and round we goooooooooo

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 244]

Quote

Quote

It's about someone recognizing him, not the other way around. So, how about the crew he worked with? Isn't there a chance he/she/they would recognize him? And they would not be the only ones at the job site Cooper would have had to interact with? How did he get the job in the first place?

Quote

Recognize him from what? The composite that people on the flight can't agree was accurate?

Doubt the flight crew would recognize him if he hadn't worked with them.

My better 1/2 has worked as flight crew for a major for almost 30 years now...the number of co-workers one comes in contact with is to overwhelming to remember many of then with any great detail.

I'm not saying Cooper worked for NWA, just that he 'could' have and quite easily gone unnoticed as an ex or current employee.

Sure there is a 'chance' he could have been recognized, slim but a chance.

Gee maybe he should have dyed his hair and maybe worn sunglasses as a disguise....oh wait.

Your point is well taken. My theory works if one assumes that the composite is accurate enough, and there doesn't seem to be much consensus on that. It amazes me that Tina talked to this guy for nearly 5 hours and she didn't come up with a more definitive composite. She had opporunity to study Cooper for hours. I'm just surprised the composite she came up with is not more defninitive. MeyerLouie

Of course, the position of candidate-pushers would
be just as Jo and Blevins have stated it: "Recognize
him from what? The composite that people on the
flight can't agree was accurate? " Ckret said the
opposite here. He said there was 'remarkable'
agreement.

Blevins even goes to the length of suggesting
optical illusions in an airplane cabin in order to
rule out FBI profile height! That is silly.

What does anyone here at DZ know about this from
personal knowledge - nothing. The most anyone
here can offer is personal bias and personal
anecdote/conjecture, eg. Airtwardo.

So, one can buy into the candidate-pushers stance,
or you can believe Ckret.

That is the choice.

KC stood the best chance of being recognised
because he was an NWA employee.

Bottom line for me, I dont trust ANYTHING Blevins
says, and Geoff Gray isnt far behind in spite of him
having read SOME FBI files - some files were not
available to him vs. Ckret who had access also.

Can we solve this? No, apparently not. Especially not
here in the face of massive nullification going on
daily.

But as a working thesis who would you chose?
Blevins or Ckret? Gray doesnt even say as a fact:
the FBI sketches are wrong! Gray has never said
THAT! All Gray has offered is the statement of one
passenger who sat across from Cooper. Ckret said
this one passenger diverted from everyone else.

And which graphics are others using when asking
crew members to make comparisons against! ?
The FBI sketches. (not photos of KC, Duane, etc).

Flo's independent sketch was more like the FBI
Cooper sketch, than any other photo or sketch of
anyone else ... it has always been either the FBI
sketch or her own private sketch that she has
chosen-agreed to compare against ...

We cannot dismiss 5'8" vs. 6 foot plus just because
Mr. Blevins does not like (or agree to use) "science".
The Reverend Blevins, self professed preacher, will
always invoke his own rules - and he advertises that
fact of his personality with every 'Marilyn' post he
makes and relishes in, here. Blevins is all
about "nullification" in ever sense.

[EVickiW 0]

MeyerLouie starts with:

Quote

Your point is well taken. My theory works if one assumes that the composite is accurate enough, and there doesn't seem to be much consensus on that. It amazes me that Tina talked to this guy for nearly 5 hours and she didn't come up with a more definitive composite. She had opportunity to study Cooper for hours. I'm just surprised the composite she came up with is not more definitive. MeyerLouie

airtwardo says:

Quote

Quite possibly she had issues regarding the stress of the situation that could have clouded accurate recollection.

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1482&context=psychfacpub

Stress on a witness is an important factor.

Cooper had a bomb, regardless if it were fake or not, Tina and the rest of the crewmembers might have had other things going through their head rather then taking a deep breath and "studying" the suspect to get an accurate description.

Put yourself in their place. The night before Thanksgiving and they might be blown up in the sky and never see their families again. For all they knew they might not have had the chance to give that description. It would be similar to looking at the barrel of the gun and all you see is the threat staring you in the face.

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

[georger 244]

Put yourself in their place. The night before Thanksgiving and they might be blown up in the sky and never see their families again. For all they knew they might not have had the chance to give that description. It would be similar to looking at the barrel of the gun and all you see is the threat staring you in the face.

[Amazon 7]

Quote

Put yourself in their place. The night before Thanksgiving and they might be blown up in the sky and never see their families again. For all they knew they might not have had the chance to give that description. It would be similar to looking at the barrel of the gun and all you see is the threat staring you in the face.

Utter nonsense. Hyperbolae.

You are merging recognition vs recall. Recall is the
issue, not if the brain records in the first place!

Tina wasnt on her cell phone texting and never saw
the train that hit her@!

Tina's recall of the bomb was detailed. Cooper chose
her because of her intelligence and
predictability/reliability.


She was probably focusing on DA BOMB... not the numbnutz who was holding it

[377 22]

Another Blevins in the mix. See attachment.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[georger 244]

Quote

Quote

Put yourself in their place. The night before Thanksgiving and they might be blown up in the sky and never see their families again. For all they knew they might not have had the chance to give that description. It would be similar to looking at the barrel of the gun and all you see is the threat staring you in the face.

Utter nonsense. Hyperbolae.

You are merging recognition vs recall. Recall is the
issue, not if the brain records in the first place!

Tina wasnt on her cell phone texting and never saw
the train that hit her@!

Tina's recall of the bomb was detailed. Cooper chose
her because of her intelligence and
predictability/reliability.

She was probably focusing on DA BOMB... not the numbnutz who was holding it

To her Cooper is the bomb - the trigger. She calmed
him down several times during crucial periods -
She deserves a purple heart!

(The stress of it all shows up later. Thats how the
endocrine system [shock] works)

[airtwardo 7]

What does anyone here at DZ know about this from
personal knowledge - nothing.

Quote

YOUR comment answers itself, nullifying your 'input' as well...I couldn't agree more, self awareness is the key!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[Amazon 7]

Quote

Quote

Quote

Put yourself in their place. The night before Thanksgiving and they might be blown up in the sky and never see their families again. For all they knew they might not have had the chance to give that description. It would be similar to looking at the barrel of the gun and all you see is the threat staring you in the face.

Utter nonsense. Hyperbolae.

You are merging recognition vs recall. Recall is the
issue, not if the brain records in the first place!

Tina wasnt on her cell phone texting and never saw
the train that hit her@!

Tina's recall of the bomb was detailed. Cooper chose
her because of her intelligence and
predictability/reliability.

She was probably focusing on DA BOMB... not the numbnutz who was holding it

To her Cooper is the bomb - the trigger. She calmed
him down several times during crucial periods -
She deserves a purple heart!

(The stress of it all shows up later. Thats how the
endocrine system [shock] works)

Gee what would ANY of the rest of us know about things like that.

[airtwardo 7]

Cooper chose her because of her intelligence and
predictability/reliability. He needed an intelligent
cooperative (reliable) partner/hostage.

Quote

Channeling Coopers thoughts huh? COOL!

How's about askin' him where he IS?!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[georger 244]

Quote

Quote

Quote

Quote

Put yourself in their place. The night before Thanksgiving and they might be blown up in the sky and never see their families again. For all they knew they might not have had the chance to give that description. It would be similar to looking at the barrel of the gun and all you see is the threat staring you in the face.

Utter nonsense. Hyperbolae.

You are merging recognition vs recall. Recall is the
issue, not if the brain records in the first place!

Tina wasnt on her cell phone texting and never saw
the train that hit her@!

Tina's recall of the bomb was detailed. Cooper chose
her because of her intelligence and
predictability/reliability.

She was probably focusing on DA BOMB... not the numbnutz who was holding it

To her Cooper is the bomb - the trigger. She calmed
him down several times during crucial periods -
She deserves a purple heart!

(The stress of it all shows up later. Thats how the
endocrine system [shock] works)

Gee what would ANY of the rest of us know about things like that.

Gee - you should. You know combat, you're trained,
you know about ptsd, and for all I know you are a
retired PhD, Dr., EMT, Survival Training expert, etc
etc ... not to mention you are one of the most
intelligent people here. Granted you are a bit cynical
and can have an edge but .... but you are someone
who would sit Farflung on your knee, pat his head,
and take hinm out to dinner! --------------
........ and you dont like dairy farms!
Its quite obvious from your posts here over time you
have a solid technical background and a lot of
common sense.

We have a difference of opinion based on different
backgrounds I guess ...

To me Cooper is a strategist picking and chosing his
environment which will determine his opportunities
as it relates to control ... setting the stage for the
hijacking. So I tend to look at his choices. He didnt
even want the passengers alerted or informed - did
it with notes and choices of people and let them do
all the work. (very much like Ckret described)

Cooper motivated by use of an alleged bomb and
then chose people, gave instructions, and coerced
people by means of the alleged bomb. These are
psychological threats vs actual harm/damage. One
core question is did his isntructions amount to
having technical knowledge and how much - Farflung
seems to think he didnt have much (an ordinary
person could give an identical level of instructions).
But one of the crew seemed convinced - made the
remark "he must have the manual back there!".
But the crime rest on psychologoical terrorism vs.
actual physical damage to anyone.

Part of my background is in psychology, criminology,
and medicine, test design, Dict of Occupational
Titles, etc. as it applies to military and civilian
operations. (actual work experience)

You may, and evidently do, have a different point of
view - even though you have never specified
the 'keys' you see, if any. Maybe yous ee the whole
as more random than I do.

BTW: this isnt personal. I hope you know that.

[skyjack71 0]

Quote

Quote

Quote

Quote

3. Automatically give anyone who presents a subject a truth test - within a few days.

ALL I want now is to know WHO the man was in Salt Lake City and what his connection was to the past of Duane L. Weber. I truely believe the answer to that ONE question will provide the answers to all other questions regarding Weber.

The man was DEFINITELY wearing a uniform of some type.

He worked on the grounds and in the visitors center in Sept of 1979. The name of the man and his background will answer a lot of questions - what was so difficult about this one thing I asked of the FBI?

Jo, Are you willing to take the first truth test?

It is very unlikely that anyone working on the "grounds" (you presumably mean "Temple Square") or the visitors center in Salt Lake City would be wearing a "uniform of some kind".

He would probably be conservatively dressed and wearing a name tag, but that is not a "uniform".

Robert99

Jo Weber apparently wrote and inserted the following:

I more than anyone here needs resolution and soon! Very tired and I don't know why I drive myself back everynight hoping some thing has happened and then go to bed with all of the qestions driving me insane.

I am already crazy, but I need to be set free and someone to help me live what is left of my life with dignity....I just want to be ME and I want to die with MY soul entact. I want to know what if feels like to crawl into bed a normal person and for there to be some holding me before I go.
Some one who know that I have done all I can do and that I gave it the best yrs of my life. I tried and I tried and now my life feels so useless because I accomplished NOTHING of what may be the only true story never be told about Weber.






person - free of the past.

I can answer that one with a resounding YES I will be the first on to take a truth test (make sure Jerry Thomas in NO where around me and that NONE of the questions are from him.

That man had on some type of uniform - perhaps a music director's or band director or even a choir leader. The case appears to be one that would carry a musical instrument.



I am game, but it would be so nice to locate information on that man before hand...and other pictures of this man and maybe a name.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber