DB Cooper

[mrshutter45 21]

EVickiW

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsuE_2f-fyM

Another video with the new guys comments. He does not seem to be a spelling whiz.

The skunk money is fake. The money he shows in the video does not match the correct Federal Reserve branch were it originated.

http://www.onedollarbill.org/decoding.html

I believe most (87%) of the Cooper money originated in San Fran and should have an L. The skunk money has an "L", however it looks to have a Minneapolis Federal Reserve seal which should have an "I".

of course the skunk vids are fake. this once again proves how gullible the public can be. I watched one of the vids where you can hear his footsteps lol suppose to be the skunk cam. I find it funny when people claim they get all kinds of emails supporting there claims. the same for Marla, most of her followers probably know the basic facts and run on what ever she says. they don't discuss the case they just automatically go with there evidence. this continues to fuel the ego more and more.

perhaps we could take up a couple pages here explaining the fact that the skunk dude destroyed Government property by defacing or destroying currency for his little scam which he get's that $20 back thru being a You Tube partner. still a Federal offense

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 247]

RobertMBlevins

Georger asks:

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WHO exactly "are" you referring to in your comments: (below) ?

***"On the subject of the recent Cooper Nut ....I think this person has borderline mental issues. That's a semi professional opinion... I don't think this person is schitzophrenic in the classic sense, but he could be what they call a borderline personality. His messages read like Nigerian spam, sort of. Not a good sign."

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'Are you talking about me? Because it follows immediately after referencing me in Gray's book pages 171 and 220.

Who is it you are talking about, Mr. Blevins?'

Look, I already gave you a hard time about your mistaken phone call to Geoff Gray. That was more funny than anything else. It's not my wish to run this into the ground. I will answer your question, although I think everyone except you figured it out easily:

It refers to Paul, the guy who keeps sending me messages via Facebook. Thinks KC is the guy, thin evidence, owns all the rights, etc.

You are right. I misspelled schizophrenic. And I don't think Paul IS, by the way. His messages are a bit on the weird side, though.

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Well I am greatly relieved (finally)
to know that I have not been classified (by a semi-professional) as being (what was it?)
biorderline schizophren
ic. I mean having been a semi-professional myself, hav
ing even been a student and personal friend of a natio
nally recognised expert on 'schizoph
renia' (Dr. N.G) ...
shall I even finished this sentence .... what was it I was going
to say? .... flt flt flt .... pssft
pssft psysgsh
yut ... oh yes I
remembe now: Roses a5re red, viol34746trsar45n b'b'b'b'68657u, ah yes Green pants Golden Corral Out
back Ste
ak
Farflungee. IVE GOT IT NOW!

Next time you make a "semi prof\
essional" clinical diagnosis of a
person on this thread based on their kneec 86756vb gol khv
aps and writing ..
make sure you identify WHO it is you are refe
rring to ...
or the Moderator might even get the idea
it is him!

Sorta makes sense ... since you are also a profes
sional literacy
edit
or?

Hi Geoff! Pft pft pft! I will take my meds now.

Eyeya amya adglay eeway irclay aday atthey upyay.

Ebay Oodglay! OK?



I feel much better now. Really I do! Sorry about that, Dave.
I enjoy working with people! Are you having a good day?

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mrshutter45

he is basing this on handwriting of KC to the signed airline ticket. if he has been doing this for 20 years he would know Cooper didn't sign the ticket. why would he be contacting Carr at the stage??

I guess in a roundabout way he has proven that Hal Williams is DB Cooper lol.

The IDIOT did NOT do any RESEARCH at all. I told you guys I think I know who this guy is but since I can't access his CRAP I am unable to compare the syntax and other things.

Seems like this guy STRUCK out with me and others and now he has new targets. It was information similar to this new guy (or same guy) that told me the guy I was talking to and corresponding was NOT for real. The guy I spoke to claimed he had witnesses and backers and a Law enforcement on board with him - why I thought he was with the Marla Camp.

Geeze! This writing comparison guy needs to get with the program and do his research instead of making statements like he owns the rights to Cooper or any suspect.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 247]

RobertMBlevins

Georger: You're putting up goofy crap because you don't have the guts to admit you made a slight error calling Gray with what I named One Funny Frickin' Fone Call Indeed. Come on, man...you gave me a pretty hard time when I had the Columbia River flowing backwards and tried to say Captain Scott went back to talk to the hijacker. And on both of those things, I admitted I was wrong. You, of course...are NEVER wrong, even when you are. Are you
planning to call Gray back up and correct your error? I would, otherwise after he reads my email he might not take calls from you again. That message is in draft mode for now because I think your contact with Gray is a good thing. But before you go running off to him again with your Blevins-Whining, make sure you know what you are talking about first. That's all I ask, and it's not much.

On the subject of this Paul guy, I can't figure him out. I keep reading his continually-arriving weird-o Facebook messages and I did check the video. Neither make a lot of sense. Yes, I have a few years' experience case managing mentally ill folks, but I'm not a shrink, either. These messages do read like spam, and there is something a bit bent about them. My guess is he's a borderline personality with an obsession on the case. It has to be recent, no matter what he says. I think he heard about KC and then went bat-shit somehow, latching onto me at FB because of my involvement with checking out Christiansen. I thought about blocking him at Facebook, but decided the entertainment value of the messages was worth letting him hang around.

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Mr. Case Manager.

Tell me how you become a Case Manager without even having
a college degree much less an MS in social management or
psychology with clinical experience ... without a certificate of
license from your State ... all in a Federally-State funded
program instituted by Act of Congress ... like the VocRehab Act
for one, run and administered by the Dept of Human Services
who not only set Job Titles (DOT mandated by Congress) but
Federal-State Guidelines for hiring?

Or do you have a general license/permit which reads: GENIUS
ALLOWED TO DO WHATEVER HE WANTS WHENEVER WHEREVER ?

Maybe what you are calling CASE MANAGER was actually Case
Worker-I, or Intake Coordinator Associate, Intake Cordinator-II,
Appointment Coordinator, or who knows ... ?

Or maybe you were a Case Worker-I who who finally assumed
the duties of a Case Manager, because the State didnt have the
funds to hire a real Case Manager with a degree and real
credentials? That sometimes happens in Third World Countries
like the State of Washington and Mississippi and Somalia?

As a Case Manager did you adminster psychological tests and
or evaluate them ... without a license? Did you recommend
treatment and sign off on training/employment for your clients?
Write prescriptions and dispense and manage meds?

Was your staff licensed? Did they have college degrees? Did
you tell MD's and/or medical staff what to do? Did you have
daily case meetings with staff making recommendations in all
of the above areas?

Or were you simply an Intake Coordinator? Shuffled papers
around, organised intake files... ? Did some minor interviewing
like: "What's your name Bob? How many cats have you set fire
to? When you shot your mother was it on Monday or Thursday?
... that kind of thing. ???

I'm glad you aren't "managing" my case of Miller Lite!

[georger 247]

RobertMBlevins

I don't see what my work has to do with your phone call. I should call you the Artful Dodger.

Back when I did this work, they gave you the title case manager. All it really meant was you kept notes on a few assigned patients, general day to day behaviors, activities, if they were in need of the MHP's, or a 30-day eval down at Western State with a possible med adjustment. (*laughs*)

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About what I thought.

You exaggerated. You said: "having been a Case Manager (that
entitled) you to make a "semi professional" opinion about clinical
psychological matters. I disagree! All it entitles you to do is
issue an "opinion" and thre are as many "opinions" as there as
"assholes".

Artful dodger?

Nothing I have said has changed. You are the one doing the
dance. Geoff called back and reinforced his original statements.

Now you can claim he did not call me back. You can claim I am
a Unicorn. You can claim you are a case manager and a semi
professional of something or other - - - you can claim you are
Moses!

You can claim you are a 'semi professional' advisor to Tom Kaye
and on his team, for all I care!

You will keep throwing your bones and pebbles and reading Jesus
in the toast between the lines. That is a given. Its sad.

• Quote

[georger 247]

skyjack71

***

he is basing this on handwriting of KC to the signed airline ticket. if he has been doing this for 20 years he would know Cooper didn't sign the ticket. why would he be contacting Carr at the stage??

I guess in a roundabout way he has proven that Hal Williams is DB Cooper lol.

The IDIOT did NOT do any RESEARCH at all. I told you guys I think I know who this guy is but since I can't access his CRAP I am unable to compare the syntax and other things.

Seems like this guy STRUCK out with me and others and now he has new targets. It was information similar to this new guy (or same guy) that told me the guy I was talking to and corresponding was NOT for real. The guy I spoke to claimed he had witnesses and backers and a Law enforcement on board with him - why I thought he was with the Marla Camp.

Geeze! This writing comparison guy needs to get with the program and do his research instead of making statements like he owns the rights to Cooper or any suspect.

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Several attornies have weighed in. Both tell me the man's
published claim of rights, socalled, aren't worth the Youtube
black screen they are written on, and unless the FBI and the
agents named have actually signed on to this which is doubtful,
the man's claims may even be false and an infringement?.

Paraphrasing: '... this guy cannot lay any legal claims onto his
so-called intellectual property right to the evidence on DB
Cooper. He could copyright his book, but the evidence that he
claims to have revealed is 42 year-old evidence that he found
published elsewhere. Such claims as his, are specious. Once
its been published elsewhere, it becomes property of the public.
And it is.'

I am writing this but still not sure what 'hand writing' the man
has compared, or thinks he has compared. I have read Shutter's
account which from the very little I know seems ballpark correct.
But I have questions, some questions potentially serious with
implications. One potentially serious issue is 'where did he get
the "hand writing" he is comparing? The FBI has evidence nobody
has ever seen (some say), not even Geoff Gray, Tom Kaye, or
RobertMBlevins Semi-Professional Case Manager!. I joke
but Im also serious. Is one of the items he is comparing a
socalled letter from DB Cooper, socalled, which nobody but two
entities has ever seen and the FBI presumably has the letter?

The DB Coopephelia is so full of exaggerated claims ... it's
hard to know where to begin or what to think.

One person has written saying he wonders "if Blevins isn't behind
it" trying to keep his name alive in the Cooperphelia! Somehow I
doubt that. It merely points out the ludicrous nature and lengths
some people will go to ... to force their way in line for Cooper
gas, without a penny in their pockets.

[mrshutter45 21]

georger

******

he is basing this on handwriting of KC to the signed airline ticket. if he has been doing this for 20 years he would know Cooper didn't sign the ticket. why would he be contacting Carr at the stage??

I guess in a roundabout way he has proven that Hal Williams is DB Cooper lol.

The IDIOT did NOT do any RESEARCH at all. I told you guys I think I know who this guy is but since I can't access his CRAP I am unable to compare the syntax and other things.

Seems like this guy STRUCK out with me and others and now he has new targets. It was information similar to this new guy (or same guy) that told me the guy I was talking to and corresponding was NOT for real. The guy I spoke to claimed he had witnesses and backers and a Law enforcement on board with him - why I thought he was with the Marla Camp.

Geeze! This writing comparison guy needs to get with the program and do his research instead of making statements like he owns the rights to Cooper or any suspect.

Quote

Several attornies have weighed in. Both tell me the man's
published claim of rights, socalled, aren't worth the Youtube
black screen they are written on, and unless the FBI and the
agents named have actually signed on to this which is doubtful,
the man's claims may even be false and an infringement?.

Paraphrasing: '... this guy cannot lay any legal claims onto his
so-called intellectual property right to the evidence on DB
Cooper. He could copyright his book, but the evidence that he
claims to have revealed is 42 year-old evidence that he found
published elsewhere. Such claims as his, are specious. Once
its been published elsewhere, it becomes property of the public.
And it is.'

I am writing this but still not sure what 'hand writing' the man
has compared, or thinks he has compared. I have read Shutter's
account which from the very little I know seems ballpark correct.
But I have questions, some questions potentially serious with
implications. One potentially serious issue is 'where did he get
the "hand writing" he is comparing? The FBI has evidence nobody
has ever seen (some say), not even Geoff Gray, Tom Kaye, or
RobertMBlevins Semi-Professional Case Manager!. I joke
but Im also serious. Is one of the items he is comparing a
socalled letter from DB Cooper, socalled, which nobody but two
entities has ever seen and the FBI presumably has the letter?

The DB Coopephelia is so full of exaggerated claims ... it's
hard to know where to begin or what to think.

One person has written saying he wonders "if Blevins isn't behind
it" trying to keep his name alive in the Cooperphelia! Somehow I
doubt that. It merely points out the ludicrous nature and lengths
some people will go to ... to force their way in line for Cooper
gas, without a penny in their pockets.



"where did he get
the "hand writing" he is comparing?"

I guess the real question would be, does he have these comparisons. this guy thinks the ticket was signed by cooper. if you look at is map on the video he has a path for miles. the way he is acting on other You Tube video comments tells me he is not very professional about what he is claiming. the guy is posting his phone number, calling people out etc. etc. I can put a bunch of papers together and make it look good for the camera. why would he start this venture on You Tube? I would be calling reporters if I had such hard evidence.

maybe we should call him? probably a recording so he can censor the calls......two of them are involved. perhaps they are trying to go viral...I don't know.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Amazon 7]

I really wish you could figure out how to use markup...

The inclusion of your input in another reply to blue box is distracting and unnecessary.

The easiest way to reply to a whole post is to hit the "quote" radio button which encapsulates the text you wish to reply to.

Then hit your enter key a couple times for line feeds and start typing. Then just hit post reply when you have dazzled us with your brilliance
.
Hopefully that will remove peoples confusion of what you are trying to communicate.

[b1jercat 0]

Amazon

I really wish you could figure out how to use markup...

The inclusion of your input in another reply to blue box is distracting and unnecessary.

The easiest way to reply to a whole post is to hit the "quote" radio button which encapsulates the text you wish to reply to.

Then hit your enter key a couple times for line feeds and start typing. Then just hit post reply when you have dazzled us with your brilliance
.
Hopefully that will remove peoples confusion of what you are trying to communicate.

Got to remember Jenie these guys are woffo's.

blues jerry

[mrshutter45 21]

Amazon

I really wish you could figure out how to use markup...

The inclusion of your input in another reply to blue box is distracting and unnecessary.

The easiest way to reply to a whole post is to hit the "quote" radio button which encapsulates the text you wish to reply to.

Then hit your enter key a couple times for line feeds and start typing. Then just hit post reply when you have dazzled us with your brilliance
.
Hopefully that will remove peoples confusion of what you are trying to communicate.

usually doesn't happen with me......

anyway, back to the guy who solved the Cooper case.....when you look at his map it appears he is trying to show how the money got to the river bank (wrong way) and the long Knoss hiking all over the place getting away. if it was KC. I hope he covered his head while the planes and copters where out looking. the glare would have gave him up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggIN_LkWV8c

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Guru312 0]

Amazon

Hopefully that will remove peoples confusion of what you are trying to communicate.

It'll take one hell of lot more than pressing the correct radio button to make sense of what these folks are trying to communicate.

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

[Amazon 7]

Guru312

***Hopefully that will remove peoples confusion of what you are trying to communicate.

It'll take one hell of lot more than pressing the correct radio button to make sense of what these folks are trying to communicate.


Think of it this way Bernie, ANYTHING that can keep my reading of this thread from making my head hurt, is inherently helpful for me. Otherwise.. this shit just disturbs the fuck out of my calm.

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georger

[]

The DB Coopephelia is so full of exaggerated claims ... it's
hard to know where to begin or what to think.

One person has written saying he wonders "if Blevins isn't behind
it" trying to keep his name alive in the Cooperphelia! Somehow I
doubt that. It merely points out the ludicrous nature and lengths
some people will go to ... to force their way in line for Cooper
gas, without a penny in their pockets.

Geeze, you's guys still at it! No one owns the Cooper story only their own personal history involving Cooper and/or a suspect. That is how I see it.
The investigation files released by the FBI and media interests are public property - such as Blevins might have a vested interest in KC and I definitely have a vested interest in Weber (18 yrs of searching and 17 yrs married to him)....but neither of us could claim copyrights to Cooper or the investigation done by the FBI.

With me it is MY investigation or screaming and Foot stomping and fist pounding - and the yrs of my life I spent chasing this damn thing. Do I own the Cooper story - hell, no!

I do own the rights to my life's story about my search and my findings. When I am dead - who knows? I handled this in my will - just encase, but seriously do not believe anyone gives a damn other than myself.

Really wish U two guys would stop quibbling and get down to finding something new...not about the suspects, but the case in general. Something the FBI missed or chase a rumor that was never persued.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 247]

Amazon

I really wish you could figure out how to use markup...

The inclusion of your input in another reply to blue box is distracting and unnecessary.

The easiest way to reply to a whole post is to hit the "quote" radio button which encapsulates the text you wish to reply to.

Then hit your enter key a couple times for line feeds and start typing. Then just hit post reply when you have dazzled us with your brilliance
.
Hopefully that will remove peoples confusion of what you are trying to communicate.

Calling Veronka ?

Hit Post reply
click 'see your post' within 30 microseconds allotted -
do not press Enter

How come those instructions don't come on the box?

There used to be a

Quote

thingy built in. Then some manager
rebuilt the page - who know why. So have been having to
supply my own

Quote

to get anything to work.

PUT THE "HIT ENTER SEVERAL TIMES" INSTRUCTION ON THE NEW BOX!

who would have guessed it?

Quote

now everything is all fucked up!

[georger 247]

mrshutter45

*********

he is basing this on handwriting of KC to the signed airline ticket. if he has been doing this for 20 years he would know Cooper didn't sign the ticket. why would he be contacting Carr at the stage??

I guess in a roundabout way he has proven that Hal Williams is DB Cooper lol.

The IDIOT did NOT do any RESEARCH at all. I told you guys I think I know who this guy is but since I can't access his CRAP I am unable to compare the syntax and other things.

Seems like this guy STRUCK out with me and others and now he has new targets. It was information similar to this new guy (or same guy) that told me the guy I was talking to and corresponding was NOT for real. The guy I spoke to claimed he had witnesses and backers and a Law enforcement on board with him - why I thought he was with the Marla Camp.

Geeze! This writing comparison guy needs to get with the program and do his research instead of making statements like he owns the rights to Cooper or any suspect.

Quote

Several attornies have weighed in. Both tell me the man's
published claim of rights, socalled, aren't worth the Youtube
black screen they are written on, and unless the FBI and the
agents named have actually signed on to this which is doubtful,
the man's claims may even be false and an infringement?.

Paraphrasing: '... this guy cannot lay any legal claims onto his
so-called intellectual property right to the evidence on DB
Cooper. He could copyright his book, but the evidence that he
claims to have revealed is 42 year-old evidence that he found
published elsewhere. Such claims as his, are specious. Once
its been published elsewhere, it becomes property of the public.
And it is.'

I am writing this but still not sure what 'hand writing' the man
has compared, or thinks he has compared. I have read Shutter's
account which from the very little I know seems ballpark correct.
But I have questions, some questions potentially serious with
implications. One potentially serious issue is 'where did he get
the "hand writing" he is comparing? The FBI has evidence nobody
has ever seen (some say), not even Geoff Gray, Tom Kaye, or
RobertMBlevins Semi-Professional Case Manager!. I joke
but Im also serious. Is one of the items he is comparing a
socalled letter from DB Cooper, socalled, which nobody but two
entities has ever seen and the FBI presumably has the letter?

The DB Coopephelia is so full of exaggerated claims ... it's
hard to know where to begin or what to think.

One person has written saying he wonders "if Blevins isn't behind
it" trying to keep his name alive in the Cooperphelia! Somehow I
doubt that. It merely points out the ludicrous nature and lengths
some people will go to ... to force their way in line for Cooper
gas, without a penny in their pockets.



"where did he get
the "hand writing" he is comparing?"

I guess the real question would be, does he have these comparisons. this guy thinks the ticket was signed by cooper. if you look at is map on the video he has a path for miles. the way he is acting on other You Tube video comments tells me he is not very professional about what he is claiming. the guy is posting his phone number, calling people out etc. etc. I can put a bunch of papers together and make it look good for the camera. why would he start this venture on You Tube? I would be calling reporters if I had such hard evidence.

maybe we should call him? probably a recording so he can censor the calls......two of them are involved. perhaps they are trying to go viral...I don't know.

hit Quote
hit Enter several times -
type message:

oh I remember what I was going to say - its been so long since I
hit Enter expecting an angel to come through my window ... on a
parachute ... uhhh?

now I forget!

.....

oh yes now I remember . . .

....

press Quote
Hit ENTER - several times

maybe he's from Mars and thinks in four dimensions? Bruce is surely going to press Quote and ENTER this 'manifestation' and give us the interdimensional scoop. Has the man talked to Tina? Has the man talked to Cossey, in the last several days? I dunnoh. He could be a hologram? Press Quote. Hit ENTER.
several times.

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I just made a post - one the most important I ever did and it would NOT let me post it - and deleted it. Well I will reconstruct it, but NOT tonight.

That post going POOF is scary.
I am not fooling with you guys - WE are being watched. Everything I post s monitored now. NO I am not just being paranoid. Well, I will say what I said - and email it to one of you - perhaps you can get it on.

Right NOW I have to make notes of what I was talking about so I don't forget. Sometimes one says just the right things and it brings the entire picture together. I did that and it went POOF!

The reason it would not post had CRYPTED in it! It was a fast delete so I couldn't read it.

It was about Jefferson, the bus, A news paper article with the bus and the yrs. Then it was about 1962 and Canon and the other Petersen and his wife Jane. How Duane screwed up and went to Missouri. Why the fled to New Orleans and then why they didn't persue him.

Ferrie and the address given by the wife of the day when Duane was arrested in 1966. What he told me about Osald and Ruby and the attorney there. It was also about a man who promoted Do NO HARM. How Duane was recruited and how he fell from grace and the second chance he was given. All of this started with WHY no one was ever able to tell who Cooper was.

Do not know if I will ever be able to recreate it to make the sense I was making earlier. I am not good at redo's they are not like the original.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 247]

skyjack71

I just made a post - one the most important I ever did and it would NOT let me post it - and deleted it. Well I will reconstruct it, but NOT tonight.
That post going POOF is really scary.
I am not fooling with you guys - WE are being watched. Everything I post is monitored now. NO I am not juust being paranoid. Well, I will say what I said - and email it to one of you - perhaps you can get it on.

Right NOW I have to make notes of what I was talking about so I don't forget. Sometimes on says just the right things and it brings the entire picture together. I did that and it went POOF!

The reason it would not post had CRYPTED in it! It was a fast delete so I couldn't read it.

It was about Jefferson, the bus, New Orleans, Ferrie and the address given by the wife of the day when Duane was arrested in 1966. It was also about a man who promoted Do NO HARM. How Duane was recruited and how he fell from grace and the second chance he was given. All of this started with WHY no one was ever able to tell who Cooper was.

hit quote
hit ENTER several times

two more times for good measure

one for the Gipper


Jo. What you are experiencing sounds like a Geico ad ?
You might want to turn the TV down, so you can think!

hit ENTER
hit reply
click neutron burster see post line, in 30 micro=seconds ...
fdgdh^2/[eheg4546.3(9)E[e=mc^2].
Thank you Albert! By God it works! Thank Fermi for me!

[georger 247]

RobertMBlevins

Georger says in part:

Quote

'hit ENTER
hit reply
click neutron burster see post line, in 30 micro=seconds ...
fdgdh^2/[eheg4546.3(9)E[e=mc^2].
Thank you Albert! By God it works! Thank Fermi for me!'

Not THAT Albert. This one.

Your phone privileges have been suspended. For now. You know that, right? Email and quotes sent to Geoff Gray for verification. I asked him to look at your whole 'Geoff Gray said this' and 'Geoff Gray said that' stuff.

Some people don't have the sense God gave a goat, or the decency to apologize...

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and your unsolicited email to me has been blocked by my ISP.

Have a clue stalker.

What is your obsession with me! ?

You know what comes next.

Geoffrey Gray has nothing to do with you - period, he tells me.
If you are to be believed then Gray is talking out of both sides
of his mouth. You keep quoting from Gray's book, and the rest
is falsehoods you make up for public consumption and your
personal edification, so far as I can piece your actions together.
You are an obsessed individual. We all know that.

Why! does this website allow trolls like you to practice here!?
Who and what purpose are you serving by all of this? You have
literally taken this thread hostage with your personal stuff ...

I thought you were MOVING ON days ago, you said ?

Your drill here on Dropzone is not only tiresome but dangerous
in my opinion. Dropzone has become your personal extension of
your 500+ editorials on Newsvine. And you dominate the whole discourse here by it.

This website has become infamous for the continuing soap opera
at people's expense, that you alone generate.

Why dont you start advertising Dropzone as your new home site!
You might get a kick in sales. Since you are in communication
with Gray get him to come here too and join YOU!

You run the SHOW here. Congrats!

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Also, anyone know what Dan Gryder is up to these days? He posted a YouTube video in Nov 2011 saying that he was going to tell us who cooper was in 2012. Nothing since, but a few comments. I enjoyed Dans posts here at DZ, and was curious to hear his conclusions on the case.

Last I heard about Dan he was being charged with something like assault by DC 3 allegedly trying to run over an overzealous cop with his Douglas. I later heard he beat the case.

He still owes us his promised revelation of DBCs ID.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[testxyz 0]

As mentioned by others earlier, Paul Geivett is posting comments under different videos at Youtube. Below are a couple of postings he made under this video link "WSU Researcher Investigates D.B. Cooper". If someone has found out the 1958 or 1974 proof, post it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzDbXiHqF1M

Paul comments from above video below.

Paul Geivett 2 weeks ago

All my proof is all from 1958 1974 call me 360 975 9601 I will show you for free

Paul Geivett 2 weeks ago

Case solved 6 13 2013 call me 360 975 9601 or curtis ing oreng of fbi seattel wa i will show you; for free you were correct it was k c I have the proof call 360 975 9601

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Also, anyone know what Dan Gryder is up to these days? He posted a YouTube video in Nov 2011 saying that he was going to tell us who cooper was in 2012. Nothing since, but a few comments. I enjoyed Dans posts here at DZ, and was curious to hear his conclusions on the case.

Last I heard about Dan he was being charged with something like assault by DC 3 allegedly trying to run over an overzealous cop with his Douglas. I later heard he beat the case.

He still owes us his promised revelation of DBCs ID.

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I've always suspected that McCoy was his suspect. Maybe one day he will tell us.

"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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Yeah. I also think Dan's number one DBC candidate is McCoy.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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testxyz

As mentioned by others earlier, Paul Geivett is posting comments under different videos at Youtube. Below are a couple of postings he made under this video link "WSU Researcher Investigates D.B. Cooper". If someone has found out the 1958 or 1974 proof, post it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzDbXiHqF1M

Paul comments from above video below.

Paul Geivett 2 weeks ago

All my proof is all from 1958 1974 call me 360 975 9601 I will show you for free

Paul Geivett 2 weeks ago

Case solved 6 13 2013 call me 360 975 9601 or curtis ing oreng of fbi seattel wa i will show you; for free you were correct it was k c I have the proof call 360 975 9601

no audio, which is just as well ...

This guy sure looks familiar? Isnt this one of the DECODED guys
- ie. the 'sure could be!' trap door attic ceiling sleuth in the
DECODED feature on KC, who wonders if the Washington
Monument could be a left over movie prop from "2001" ?
"Sure could be! Let's examine it more closely. We have time."

New question: Does Paul Geivett know Geestman? Has Geivett
interviewed Geestman and "That Woman", plus Prarie Rose Sally
and Iditarod Mary, not to mention Mr and Mrs Wage Earner
Sheeple ?

Or, if you guys want to stop screwing around and stop drinking
Blevins and Geivett Kool Aid, and get out of Guyana while the
getting is good, and back to Middle Earth and DB Cooper basics:
here are some basics as described by nobody less than Sluggo,
way back in 2010! Kind of shows you in real terms where this
thread has gone since the Guyana Book Sellers Club showed up,
in 2010 peddling a book & Wisadom for Mankind, hoisting iron
lawn furniture with one hand in barely snowing faux storms to
display their superiority to "Wage Earner Sheeple" - and all !

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Gayla Prociv, the CEO for Adventure Books, made the decision to decline on your interview within five minutes of seeing your responses. She said you either didn't answer some of the questions or you said others weren't important. She also mentioned something about a preaching tirade you went on that was completely unexpected. I will have to look at your answers again to see what she meant.

Okay, that’s fair enough, let’s see what she objected to:


Interview with W. Wayne Walker

Mr Walker, a resident of Ashford, Alabama, runs the most comprehensive research site on the D.B. Cooper case, and has been investigating the hijacking of Flight 305 since 1975.

Porteous: I guess I’ll start with a very basic question. One of the biggest debates going on Cooper is whether or not he survived the jump. Do you believe he did?

Walker: I’m not a skydiver, so, I have to rely on what I hear from those who are. The chute he used was slightly modified and would have been what the skydivers call “a hard pull.” The chute he selected was a very reliable emergency-type chute. Therefore, the skydivers believe if he pulled… he survived (the terrain wasn’t as big a factor as generally believed). Also, Ms. Mucklow testified that he donned the chute like he had done it many times.

Those two issues taken together make me believe that he probably survived. He may have been injured, but not seriously.

Porteous: Stewardess Tina Mucklow testified that Cooper tried to hand her three packets of the ransom money, and that she refused it. Does anyone know whether he secured the money back into the money bag, or did he put it somewhere else after she refused it?

Walker: First, I’m not really sure it was offered to Mucklow alone. It may have been offered to all three cabin attendants or to Mucklow and Schaffner together (Alice Hancock probably was already off the plane).

The bag was open (it had no zipper or other method of closure) and he had not yet sealed it with parachute cord or attached to his body. Therefore, I can’t imagine why he would put the money anywhere other than back into the bag it came from.

Porteous: Along that same line, do you think these packets could be the same three packets that were found on the river in Vancouver, Washington in 1980?

Walker: I don’t see any evidence to support that theory. To make that assumption would be pure (unsupported) speculation.

Porteous: Is there any evidence to suggest that Cooper actually directed a flight plan to the crew beyond ‘we’re going to Mexico City’ and then later just agreeing to try for Reno?

Walker: Well, here you have hit a “Sluggo Hot Button!”

Early in the investigation there was a belief that Cooper was very knowledgeable about aviation. Then later, it was assumed (by the FBI) that he just had some tangential knowledge. I believe he was VERY familiar with aviation (generally) and the B-727-51 (specifically). I also believe he had studied the navigation charts (FAA Sectional Charts) and chose V-23 as the route he wanted the pilots to use. He did not specify Victor-23, but the things he did specify, made Victor-23 the only viable route southeast. This is a very complex issue, and I can go on for hours discussing it but, for simplicity sake, the best example of what I mean is that he ordered “gear down.” Gear down doesn’t make the plane fly slower, make the door (stairs) open wider, or make the jump safer. The only thing it does is increase fuel burn rate, hence eliminating other routes south.

Porteous: The F.B.I. has backed off from their initial theory that Cooper was either a paratrooper, or at least familiar with skydiving. What do you think?

Walker: I believe he had some familiarity with skydiving. Most likely it was military experience as a pilot, crew member, or loadmaster (kicker) in a military situation. Remember, when I say “military,” I’m not limiting it to the US Military, he was most likely Canadian.

Porteous: It’s been listed in most reports that Cooper said: ‘Looks like Tacoma (Washington) down there.’ At what exact point in the flight did he supposedly say this?

Walker: This is the most “over-quoted” and “under-meaningful” testimony in the NORJAK case. This event occurred prior to landing at Seattle. The plane was orbiting (in a holding pattern) out over the Puget Sound (from 15 to 20 nautical miles out). They were at 6,000 ft. MSL, on the 307-degree radial of the SEA VORTAC, out to the LOFAL intersection. The weather was scattered clouds at about 5,000 ft. MSL. They were flying a racetrack-like pattern. On each orbit, Cooper would have seen lights out the starboard (right-hand) windows for about two-minutes (as they turned at the south-most end of the loop). Anyone who knew that they were holding over the Puget Sound would know those lights were the Seattle-Tacoma area. In fact, what he probably saw was Seattle, not Tacoma.

Porteous: There have been some minor disputes about how many parachutes were left behind on Flight 305 by Cooper, and which ones he took with him. What do you know about this?

Walker: I’m not aware of a dispute. Sources in the FBI have clearly identified that the two chutes remaining on the plane were the “Sport Chute” and the workable reserve (opened and with some shock-cord removed). The two parachutes that were missing were the NB-8 (military-style emergency) and the dummy (training) reserve. Remember, there were no D-Rings on the NB-8 to attach a reserve.

Porteous: Robert Blevins and I were able to verify that Christiansen made two major cash purchases between the date of the hijacking and seven months later in July of 1972. One was a $5,000 cash loan to the sister of a man Christiansen had known and worked with for years. The other was a cash purchase of a house and lot in Bonney Lake, Washington that totaled $17,500. Just prior to the hijacking, Christiansen was taking home about $512 a month, had little in the bank, and lived in a very cheap apartment. Do these things, in your opinion, make him a stronger suspect?

Walker: No! Every flim-flam man, drug dealer, prostitute, thief, spy, and/or burgler makes purchases that their legal income doesn’t support. If there is other evidence that Christiansen was Cooper, then these purchases (beyond his apparent income) would corroborate the assumptions. But, as a stand-alone issue, they don’t mean much.

Porteous: Any other thoughts on the case you’d like to add?

Walker: Well, just a cautionary word to all authors, journalist, and researchers. This case has accumulated a mythology that is broader and stronger than the reality. Most of the published “facts” are born from this mythology (and therefore, aren’t facts at all). Initially the myths were propagated by law enforcement’s (LE) lack of candor when releasing public information. Then at the same time LE started “opening-up” to the public, the internet brought its “Cut-and-paste without any critical thinking” culture into the investigation. Finding irrefutable sources almost 40-years after the event is nearly impossible.

Porteous: Thank you for your time.

(Note from Robert to Wayne: Add your website address and some background about yourself below, and I will add it to the end of the interview for readers.)

Web address/background info/short bio goes here:

I am 61 years old, married, and getting crabby in my old age. I occasionally work as an Instructional Technologist, Health Physicist, or Human Performance Consultant to Commercial Nuclear Power, Department of Energy, and the National Nuclear Security Agency. Some of my other interests are: Geocaching, NASCAR racing, Amateur Radio, Music (I play trombone), Flying (I am a Private Pilot), hiking, and watching my grandson grow.

I have been interested in the Flt. 305 hijacking since just a few years after it occurred (approximately 1974 or 1975). In the early years after the hijacking, the only sources of information (mostly the print media) were already publishing half-truths and mangled facts. Finding quality information was very difficult. At that time, the FBI (the lead agency for the investigation) was not releasing very much information to the public. Since then (beginning in November of 2007) the FBI has started releasing more and more information and revealing some of the data gained from their investigation. The only problem is the new data is being applied to myths about NORJAK rather than the facts. To help remedy this situation, I have attempted to build a “one-stop shopping” website to be used by anyone who wants to know more about the facts in the case and save themselves a lot of time and energy. Sluggo’s “Northwest 305 Hijacking Research Web Site” can be found at http://N467US.com/ . If you wish to contact me you may e-mail me at Sluggo@N467US.com .


NOTE TO ROBERT and SKIP:
Please change name (in intro) to W. Wayne (Sluggo) Walker. There are more people that know me by “Sluggo” than by Wayne Walker.

I will be happy to write a bunch more about the V-23 issue. I just figured you want me to be brief. For more background go to http://n467us.com/Sluggo's%20Personal%20Research.htm to see some work-in-progress about this issue.

If the bio is too long delete FROM: Para 2 “… In the early years…” TO: (including) Para 2 “…To help remedy this situation,…” That should shorten it enough.



All,

See Robert’s point?

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Sluggo: Well, I don't see anything too terribly bad about your responses for the interview, but then I'm not the one who made the actual call.

Does it REALLY matter whether the interview was 'good' or 'bad' or whether Gayla should have accepted it? You trashed the book after its release anyway (that's your perfect right) and you would have had us remove your interview, correct?

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RobertMBlevins

I'm not going to quote over Sluggo's answers to the questions again. That's a long quote, a long post.

Gayla said she found his answers pretty good to a degree, but almost hostile in other areas. She decided it shouldn't be included in the book. So it wasn't.

In any case, the book was not ready and neither was the investigation on Christiansen anywhere near complete. That's why the book was pulled from publication before even fifty copies sold. The original version had no references to History Channel or Marisa Kagan's work, no testimony from Helen Jones and her daughter, no testimony from Carolyn Tyner, and no final interview with Mrs. Geestman where she finally admits Kenny was the one with her ex-husband the week they went missing. No countertop evidence, no hiding spot in the attic, no document linking Geestman indirectly to the house purchase, etc. etc.

I'm not really seeing your point here, Georger. Sluggo really had zip to present for a book about Christiansen and whether or not he was the hijacker. He just didn't know anything regarding Christiansen. Remember this: Blast isn't really about the Cooper case. It's an exploration of Kenny Christiansen's life and whether he could be the hijacker. Sluggo couldn't really contribute to any of that in a meaningful way, either positive or negative. That's basically why the interview wasn't included in the book.

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You make my point.

We need to get away from idle speculations and back to the
DB Cooper case - something Sluggo is an expert on with a
valid point of view based on rather deep technical knowledge
of the basic issues at stake ...

versus ...

The Guyana Kool Aid Book Writer's Shuffle you have been
peddling here, which you have amply demonstrated has no
veracity whatever! You might as well have been peddling
"10 Ways to See Jesus!" for three years.

What is interesting about your particular brand of Hypocriscy
is your Golden Rule -

Rule #1 - Do unto to others before they do unto you.

Rule #2 - Everyone else is held to the highest standards when
and where I alone chose to envoke it: You are held to the
lowest standards or no standards at all, so anything goes.

Methods of Implementation - avoidance, change the subject,
redirection, strawman arguements built on nothing, suspension
of the laws of Nature, reliance and repitition of false and/or
incomplete negative facts published by others, monitor thread
24/7 in order to execute counter measures immediately . . .
coin terms like "Wage Earner Sheeple" and give them what they
deserve. Ask for advice then attack the advice giver. Always
assume a "central position: (We are superior, period).

Your title advertised "The True Story of DB Cooper". The latest
sycophant name droper who has scrawled his 'legal rights' on the
face of civilisation claiming to have solved the DB Cooper
mystery and have RIGHTS!, apparently has a Propeller Theory
and singularly perfect Proof too!

Into the vacuum many shall pour.

Too bad they can't add 1+1 and get two, and must suspend
Physics or claim Devine Intervention by way of an attorney ...
to get their way!

Isn't "getting their way" what it's all really about, in the first
place?

You missed the point again Blevins. !

The point of my reposting Sluggo is about Sluggo and the
DB Cooper facts at stake. Not about YOU!

This song was not about YOU!

It was DB Cooper old enough to be your father who hijacked
an airplane - not RobertMBlevins!

It is DB Cooper who has (or had) the facts of the case -
not RobertMBlevins esq !

Should the world research RobertMBlevins to get to the bottom
of the DB Copoper case?

You don't get to decide! We will decide and make the rules.
This song is not ABOUT you, nor is it YOU!

The song is about D.B. Cooper. Sluggo makes that clear!

Fuck off.

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RobertMBlevins

Again...won't quote your stuff,
especially if you decide to edit that last bit I don't want to
interfere with that. I think you're simply pissed off that I called
you out ... blah blah blah blah blah ...

Stop playing the mind games, Blevins.

Talked to Gray this morning (again) and the matter is settled.
Guess you will have to make up or find more falsehoods to
spread on your audience - the "Wager Earner Sheeple". That
was your phrase - correct? Or are you "sheepeling" out of that
one too!?

Item No.2: It's not MY STUFF you are refusing to quote or
discuss but Sluggo's stuff! Today you have the same sneaky
attitude you had back when you came and overwhelmed this
Thread in 2010 ... refusing or deliberately avoiding to post
anything of a 'controversial negative nature' or anyone else's
work that had real merit - yes? Not just you but this Gayla too,
at socalled Adventure Books of Seattle. You blamed her (she
blamed you?) - whatever who cares!

You went to the trouble of interviewing Sluggo then you
tucked his interview away when it wasn't favorable. Porteous
interviews Sluggo with some rather intelligent questions and
you don't even post the interview here AFTER the interview is
pulled from your book, by Gayla or you, AFTER one of the more
imminent researchers inthe DB Cooper case said a few
unfavorable things or disagreed withsome of your key points!

So at length - SLUGGO HAS TO POST HIS OWN INTERVIEW FOR
HIMSELF HERE - OR THE WORLD WOULDNT EVEN KNOW IT
EXISTED!

So allow me to post the vital parts again - you don't want
shown!

Just like you don't want the Simmons interview with Lyle shown
and claimed it didn't even exist .. while also claiming I am feeble
minded, making personal attacks, and a liar !

Here it is - verbatum:

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Interview with W. Wayne Walker by Mr. Porteous:

Mr Walker, a resident of Ashford, Alabama, runs the most comprehensive research site on the D.B. Cooper case, and has been investigating the hijacking of Flight 305 since 1975.

Porteous: I guess I’ll start with a very basic question. One of the biggest debates going on Cooper is whether or not he survived the jump. Do you believe he did?

Walker: I’m not a skydiver, so, I have to rely on what I hear from those who are. The chute he used was slightly modified and would have been what the skydivers call “a hard pull.” The chute he selected was a very reliable emergency-type chute. Therefore, the skydivers believe if he pulled… he survived (the terrain wasn’t as big a factor as generally believed). Also, Ms. Mucklow testified that he donned the chute like he had done it many times.

Those two issues taken together make me believe that he probably survived. He may have been injured, but not seriously.

Porteous: Stewardess Tina Mucklow testified that Cooper tried to hand her three packets of the ransom money, and that she refused it. Does anyone know whether he secured the money back into the money bag, or did he put it somewhere else after she refused it?

Walker: First, I’m not really sure it was offered to Mucklow alone. It may have been offered to all three cabin attendants or to Mucklow and Schaffner together (Alice Hancock probably was already off the plane).

The bag was open (it had no zipper or other method of closure) and he had not yet sealed it with parachute cord or attached to his body. Therefore, I can’t imagine why he would put the money anywhere other than back into the bag it came from.

Porteous: Along that same line, do you think these packets could be the same three packets that were found on the river in Vancouver, Washington in 1980?

Walker: I don’t see any evidence to support that theory. To make that assumption would be pure (unsupported) speculation.

Porteous: Is there any evidence to suggest that Cooper actually directed a flight plan to the crew beyond ‘we’re going to Mexico City’ and then later just agreeing to try for Reno?

Walker: Well, here you have hit a “Sluggo Hot Button!”

Early in the investigation there was a belief that Cooper was very knowledgeable about aviation. Then later, it was assumed (by the FBI) that he just had some tangential knowledge. I believe he was VERY familiar with aviation (generally) and the B-727-51 (specifically). I also believe he had studied the navigation charts (FAA Sectional Charts) and chose V-23 as the route he wanted the pilots to use. He did not specify Victor-23, but the things he did specify, made Victor-23 the only viable route southeast. This is a very complex issue, and I can go on for hours discussing it but, for simplicity sake, the best example of what I mean is that he ordered “gear down.” Gear down doesn’t make the plane fly slower, make the door (stairs) open wider, or make the jump safer. The only thing it does is increase fuel burn rate, hence eliminating other routes south.

Porteous: The F.B.I. has backed off from their initial theory that Cooper was either a paratrooper, or at least familiar with skydiving. What do you think?

Walker: I believe he had some familiarity with skydiving. Most likely it was military experience as a pilot, crew member, or loadmaster (kicker) in a military situation. Remember, when I say “military,” I’m not limiting it to the US Military, he was most likely Canadian.

Porteous: It’s been listed in most reports that Cooper said: ‘Looks like Tacoma (Washington) down there.’ At what exact point in the flight did he supposedly say this?

Walker: This is the most “over-quoted” and “under-meaningful” testimony in the NORJAK case. This event occurred prior to landing at Seattle. The plane was orbiting (in a holding pattern) out over the Puget Sound (from 15 to 20 nautical miles out). They were at 6,000 ft. MSL, on the 307-degree radial of the SEA VORTAC, out to the LOFAL intersection. The weather was scattered clouds at about 5,000 ft. MSL. They were flying a racetrack-like pattern. On each orbit, Cooper would have seen lights out the starboard (right-hand) windows for about two-minutes (as they turned at the south-most end of the loop). Anyone who knew that they were holding over the Puget Sound would know those lights were the Seattle-Tacoma area. In fact, what he probably saw was Seattle, not Tacoma.

Porteous: There have been some minor disputes about how many parachutes were left behind on Flight 305 by Cooper, and which ones he took with him. What do you know about this?

Walker: I’m not aware of a dispute. Sources in the FBI have clearly identified that the two chutes remaining on the plane were the “Sport Chute” and the workable reserve (opened and with some shock-cord removed). The two parachutes that were missing were the NB-8 (military-style emergency) and the dummy (training) reserve. Remember, there were no D-Rings on the NB-8 to attach a reserve.

Porteous: Robert Blevins and I were able to verify that Christiansen made two major cash purchases between the date of the hijacking and seven months later in July of 1972. One was a $5,000 cash loan to the sister of a man Christiansen had known and worked with for years. The other was a cash purchase of a house and lot in Bonney Lake, Washington that totaled $17,500. Just prior to the hijacking, Christiansen was taking home about $512 a month, had little in the bank, and lived in a very cheap apartment. Do these things, in your opinion, make him a stronger suspect?

Walker: No! Every flim-flam man, drug dealer, prostitute, thief, spy, and/or burgler makes purchases that their legal income doesn’t support. If there is other evidence that Christiansen was Cooper, then these purchases (beyond his apparent income) would corroborate the assumptions. But, as a stand-alone issue, they don’t mean much.

Porteous: Any other thoughts on the case you’d like to add?

Walker: Well, just a cautionary word to all authors, journalist, and researchers. This case has accumulated a mythology that is broader and stronger than the reality. Most of the published “facts” are born from this mythology (and therefore, aren’t facts at all). Initially the myths were propagated by law enforcement’s (LE) lack of candor when releasing public information. Then at the same time LE started “opening-up” to the public, the internet brought its “Cut-and-paste without any critical thinking” culture into the investigation. Finding irrefutable sources almost 40-years after the event is nearly impossible.

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