mrshutter45 21 #41776 July 30, 2013 seems Paul Geivett has responded to comments on You Tube.... "robert bleveins i will show you for free call me 360 975 9601 why do you think they never let you see it until 2010 and I know who put the money on the beach for brian ingram to find and i quote; on purpose that day for me to find on purpose unquote. I live in clark county where it all went down in fact it was never brian ingram it was the little girl, she was to shy and scared to go in front of the news cameras. I know where the canvas bag was found brian will admit the same spot. Fbi agreed""It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #41777 July 30, 2013 mrshutter45seems Paul Geivett has responded to comments on You Tube.... "robert bleveins i will show you for free call me 360 975 9601 why do you think they never let you see it until 2010 and I know who put the money on the beach for brian ingram to find and i quote; on purpose that day for me to find on purpose unquote. I live in clark county where it all went down in fact it was never brian ingram it was the little girl, she was to shy and scared to go in front of the news cameras. I know where the canvas bag was found brian will admit the same spot. Fbi agreed" Dave....Can you provide the links to the videos where Paul leaves his comments?Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41778 July 30, 2013 your wish is my command http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggIN_LkWV8c "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #41779 July 30, 2013 ParrotheadVol *** Quote I would love to have one. I would proudly display it right next to my autographed pic of Pete Rose. Someday maybe. Did you have to make a bet with Pete to get his signature?377 Nope. Here is the pic of him signing it. I have this picture on my facebook page and the caption reads: "Me getting to meet one of Baseballs greats and one of my favorite players of all time, Pete Rose. It looks like he's signing an autograph, but he's actually helping me with my parlay picks." Back to the Cooper 20, I know Ingram has sold several of them. Any guess as to how many he has left? I know Brian still has quite a few but he never did say what the number remaining was. If they find the rest of the loot, the value of the Tina bar money will plummet. I wonder what odds Pete Rose would give me on that? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 256 #41780 July 30, 2013 mrshutter45 seems Paul Geivett has responded to comments on You Tube.... "robert bleveins i will show you for free call me 360 975 9601 why do you think they never let you see it until 2010 and I know who put the money on the beach for brian ingram to find and i on purpose that day for me to find on purpose unquote. I live in clark county where it all went down in fact it was never brian ingram it was the little girl, she was to shy and scared to go in front of the news cameras. I know where the canvas bag was found brian will admit the same spot. Fbi agreed" Quote He's bringing up an old controversy between the Ingrams. He is referring to Crystal Ingram and Crystal's daughter Denise (age five at the time) who were present with Harold and Patricia and Brian, when Brian allegedly found the money. Crystal put in a claim in behalf of her daughter Denise and met with the FBI on Feb 13th 1980 at the Portland office, and relayed her own version of how the money was found. (and other matters). He apparently is alleging that Brian has now admitted, quote "on purpose that day for me to find on purpose unquote." which would be brand NEW! This may come as a shock to Brian and his mother who is still alive! It may come as a shock to Brian who according to this guy has now admitted to being a part of a conspiracy ... devoted Christianity notwithstanding or possibly because of? Brian doesnt usually talk to strangers about such personal matters! And of course people have talked to Brian and his mother about this, many times. Brian knows where the canvas bag was found? That is also brand NEW! He knows who put the money on Tina Bar _ for Brian to find! Who lead Brian to the exact spot to "dig to build a fire" ? Who put the the others fragments on the beach? Who put the "fragments at three feet"? Who put the money for Cook's subjects to find months before the Brian find? Who, in consort with God, put the river water sediments in between the bills to make it look like a completely natural in-situ deposit - which would meet all forensic tests for a specimen which had been buried on a beach for a long time! ? I'm just beginning. This could get technical and reveal many secrets! Where is this guy getting this information and from who - Larry Carr or some other agent(s) ? from Brian ? Jerry Thomas? Tom Kaye? Sheknee Canoe esq? It appears to be 'bits and pieces' some solid info, some pure speculation, ... After all: he lives in clark county where it all went down. Whoopie Doo! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41781 July 30, 2013 I'm on the phone with him now......."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41782 July 30, 2013 377Jo wroteQuoteYet, Weber was the ONLY valid suspect ever Jo, Don't you think that is a biased overstatement? 37 YOU may think it is bias but I am the one who heard what he said and I am the one who was with him on that WA trip...MY ACCOUNTING ARE FIRST HAND - relating to the skyjacking. THE FBI knows that what he told me is REAL - none of it is made up. His confession and what he tired to tell me, the things in his possession of which I knew not what they meant, the WA trip and things he told me then - things with no meaning to me in 1979. If YOU choose to hold hands with our DIRTY government and the FBI - then you will say I am trying to profit by making up a story. HELL, if that is what I wanted to do - I should have done that 16 damn yrs ago! I have not imagined my life with Weber and I did not imagin the things I saw and held in my hands, nor have I lied. I am not crazy or delusional - for almost 18 yrs I have tried to tell the FBI what I knew without - putting myself in the lime light with a book or movie. I turned ALL of those things down (I did entertain the idea, but made it clear if it was fictionalized in anyway it was a NO go) - because I thought they would cause the FBI to not investigate. AS it stands - I should have DONE what all of the other people have done. Attempt to make a profit from my battle. I did allow someone to do a one page agreement - which is one that helps to protect my rights. This person knows that I would NOT approve of embellishments and that was made clear. Frankly those embellishments might just be the actual truth. The FBI NOT following thru on WEBER is actually proof of this. Their promoting suspects who could not be Cooper only substanciates this claim by me. SO MAYBE JUST MAYBE I should have done what all of the others who came behind me did. The very things individuals wanted to go with - the covert stuff and such, may actually be the truth. IF the FBI had gave Weber a little more background or have done a little more on his background they would have found the Jefferson pictures and the file and have provided them to me at my request. THEY did NOT and COULD NOT! Their HANDS were tied! Even this thread is amiss as NONE of you attempted to help me get the JEFFERSON FILE. You assumed the FBI had it, but for some reason did not share it with me - Shutter showed this thread what I have been after for 18 yrs...and it resulted in an OH MY GOD moment! The very fact that the HISTORICAL Society is interested in other suspects - suspects that COULD not have been Cooper is even more conclusive someone is covering up something. Well, AMERICA can keep on getting its STOMPING BOOTS muddy - but it is not just mud anymore. FRANKLY I NOW do NOT TRUST our GOVERNMENT anymore. When THEY keep secrets such as the past of WEBER out of the media and out of the hands of the WIDOW - think - really think! WHY did they do this? IF the media had seen the Jefferson pics compared to the composite and the witnesses had seen this 17 yrs ago in 1996 when I contacted them - Cooper could have been buried. As it stands he has NOT been buried!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41783 July 30, 2013 mrshutter45 seems Paul Geivett has responded to comments on You Tube.... "robert bleveins i will show you for free call me 360 975 9601 why do you think they never let you see it until 2010 and I know who put the money on the beach for brian ingram to find and i quote; on purpose that day for me to find on purpose unquote. I live in clark county where it all went down in fact it was never brian ingram it was the little girl, she was to shy and scared to go in front of the news cameras. I know where the canvas bag was found brian will admit the same spot. Fbi agreed" This below is a communication I received from a man who researches my stuff and others - then jumps on it: ALL of you guys know I have told the BOAT Story long long ago and my friends know the BOAT story and when I confronted this man yesterday about it - he SWITCHES his contact as being a man. He supposedly interviewed a woman and another man about Duane being in WA after the jump - but then turns around and says the FBI told him not to contact me. He is contacting anyone who ever had anything regarding a suspect or the case and using it for heaven only knowns. I am sure Blevins and Marla have been contacted by this guy including "Knickers". What he had to say to me today and NOTE I do leave out things but want you guys will get the jest of this man. He is playing some kind of GAME. The below is NOT an exact quote. It does give me mixed emotions: "Having XXX contact me will end up fruitless. I have all the evidence i need to prove that Duane Weber WAS in Carson just days after the jump . I have obtained a wealth of evidence & need not prove it to anyone . I tried my hardest to be friendly & help you but you always said "you could of got that information from a old posting" well...keep on believing that ! I tried ! Here's alittle something else i know...did you know Duane was looking at buying a large boat just a few weeks after the jump ? This witness said he was "Looking to get away for awhile". I know why ! Where did he get the money to make that kind of purchase ? Lastly, choose your "friends" wisely, they are back stabbing you ! I know you have given out information that ONLY I have provided to you because its coming back to me ! I wish i could trust you Jo, my evidence would put all to rest for you ". I just got this today and you guys and anyone who knows me knows I have told about the boat, but - he changes locations & gender of other person - who cares. It is all baloney. Compare the post above to the syntax of the statement below. I edited out parts of it to protect the man if I am wrong. For some reason he does NOT want to come to the DZ because he knows you guys will be on him like flies to honey. These 2 sound like 2 peas in a pod. If he actually went to the FBI why woudl they tell him not to contact me? He originally contacted me a few wks before Cossey died and all he had was a man in WA called Vern. I refused to give Vern's last name because the Vern I knew was TOO young to be involved. I accidently mention my Vern's father moved to N.C. or S.C. and then suddenly the is focusing on that. I saw where this was going and pulled out. I broke down and made a post to him and this was what came back. His introduction to me came by way of Bruce and the man sent me some pictures. A group with the faces blanked out with the exception one man he ID'd as Vern. Of course it was NOT my Vern, but when I asked to see the other faces he had excuses. I believe 377 knows why I wanted to see the other faces - they were all supposedly Boeing employees. What caught my eye was not just the man - but the tie he wore. Definitely not a narrow tie, but one with a design that was remarkable!One that was familiar, but I do NOT know from where! Thought I had seen on in a picture in Duane's brother's house or that 377 had posted one with this particular design of tie in it. Well, do you guys think the guy contacting me and the one contacting Blevins are the same. I did NOT put Blevins in contact with this man - but I am being accused of doing so. SCARY!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41784 July 30, 2013 this guy says he never talked to you or had a reason too."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41785 July 30, 2013 mrshutter45this guy says he never talked to you or had a reason too. Since I do not go to U-Tube I only know about this individual what you guys post here. The story a man told and the tone with which it was delivered gave me reason to think this U Tube guy and the guy who contacted me could be one and the same. I noted the manner in which the message was delivered - the wording has a tone - caps and spacing and words. I am definitely NOT any kind of person to do this - it was my own personal take and wanted to know what you guys thought. If they compared? Both CLAIM to have solved the case. All I know about the u tube guy is what you all have posted here. Outside of that it is ZERO!Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41786 July 31, 2013 Quote Who, in consort with God, put the river water sediments in between the bills to make it look like a completely naturalin-situ deposit - which would meet all forensic tests for a specimen which had been buried on a beach for a long time! ? I'm just beginning. This could get technical and reveal many secrets! Where is this guy getting this information and from who - Larry Carr or some other agent(s) ? from Brian ? Jerry Thomas? Tom Kaye? Sheknee Canoe esq? It appears to be 'bits and pieces' some solid info, some pure speculation, ... After all: he lives in clark county where it all went down. Whoopie Doo! These guys are crawling out from under the sheds & old cabins along the river. Oh, but most of them where gone by 1979. Maybe the money was NOT buried along the Beach, but else where such as under a shed but the shed had a leak and cause the money to get wet and deterioate. It was put there in 1971 and retrived in 1979 - if I should be right! Since I have become aware today that nothing the thread says or any of us say on this forum ever gets to the agent of record.....our time needs to be addressing subjects to the FBI in writing... I had contacted the FBI for yrs and I usually get the mouthpiece. He is really a nice guy, but that is my moniker for him. When I started to ramble about some things going on regarding Weber (he was actually listening to me) - he told me I needed to put them in writing and send them to the AGENT. BUT, only after he asked me if I had told the AGENT of record these things. I thought what I was telling him and posting in the thread GOT to the FBI agents, but guess what - GUYS nothing we say or do here is EVER reported in any way to the Bureau. We might get reported for something else, but nothing we talk about or claim about Cooper or a suspect is reported to the FBI. This agent seemed a little put back by what I was saying and asked me if I had told the agent of record these things. I told him some of it was in the thread, but some of it was so detailed and my realization that the things I had held back now seemed important. They where things I told agents yrs ago, but nothing I ever said was acknowledged. Now again this seems to be all new stuff. I was afraid to talk about certain things - such as associates of Duane's - their names and what I now think about these associations after the Dumb Blonde learned a few facts about U.S. Political History. I mentioned the name of a man and his location - seems like that got his attention....I was always AFRAID to say this man's name. I would hint about individuals - but did not come right out and name them other than the obvious ones with Criminal records. Those individual whose reputations were well known and seemingly unsoiled I left alone - this was NOT the case today! I felt a compulsion to let someone know the names and where and when I met individuals - people I now know are part of history and most in not just a good way. Under what circumstances did Duane have reason to know or even meet these individuals. The agent just stopped me and ASKED me if I had ever told the agent of record these things. Duh! I thought I was talking to the FBI when I called the MOUTHpiece....and I was afraid to say names before. Now as I approach the end stage of my life that is NOT the case. I sent a large file so I can now be declared officially crazy, delusional and off my rocker! I have reached this stage where it is NOW or never. I waited for the FBI to do their thing.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
testxyz 0 #41787 July 31, 2013 QuoteI'm on the phone with him now....... Soooooooo.... what did you find out from Paul Geivett for free? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41788 July 31, 2013 I just spent 3 hours on the phone with Paul Geivett. holy cow does this guy have a story to tell. he explains how the money got onto the river bank. the letters, handwriting etc. he was very explicit about talking with the FBI and they agree with what he has presented. IF this guy is telling the truth. the case will be solved. it sounds good, but I'm not 100% sold. I don't want to go into details on a public form about what he told me. some of it I find very hard to believe. what isn't in the Cooper case...... someone needs to check the sediments of the Lewis river vs the findings on the Tina Bar money. this could be the start of validation. that's the most I can say."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
testxyz 0 #41789 July 31, 2013 Quote"it sounds good, but I'm not 100% sold" What percent are you sold on his story? Quote"some of it I find very hard to believe." If it sounds to good to believe................. Maybe you can be vague and give us the gist. I read many of your posts and you seem to be a straight shooter with no B.S. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #41790 July 31, 2013 Just when you thought there couldn't be any more news about Tina Bar, well, guess again! A film crew from the Travel Channel was there a few weeks ago and Galen has sent me this report. Jerry T was also part of the shoot, on the Washougal part, and he called me with some of the details, which confirms and supports what Galen has said. Here's Galen's piece: The Travel Channel is hosting a new series this fall/winter that will feature "mystery destinations." They chose the D.B. Cooper mystery as one of their top stories for their feature episode. Most of the filming was done at Tina's Bar in early July. This was a fairly expensive operation and involved several camera crews, sound crews, and a professional director. The host of the show is a former CIA agent with 20-years in the company. For the Tina Bar episode, we used several boats from the Caterpillar Island marina as props to gain river access to the money find from 1980. Also, I had my own science team on site, where we recreated our experiments at Tina's Bar and laid out our conclusions for the TC. All in all, it was a lot of fun spending a few days at Tina's in 90 degree weather. Ralph Himmelsbach was invited too, but he chose not to come. Instead, Jerry Thomas (yes, that Jerry) was invited too and he toured the Travel Channel film crew into the Washougal watershed area. My understanding is that the Travel Channel also hired some semi-professional skydivers to jump into the area of the flight path for a little background drama. It seems Tina's Bar is going to really get placed on the map again. The Fazio's seemed happy about the Travel Channel's appearance, even Al (who gets a bit grumpy whenever I show up with my science crew) Fazio was smiling. Galen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41791 July 31, 2013 testxyz"it sounds good, but I'm not 100% sold" What percentage are you sold on his story? "some of it I find very hard to believe." If it sounds to good to believe................. Maybe you can be vague and give us the gist. I read many of your posts and you seem to be a straight shooter with no B.S. fair enough. the guy starts out making a lot of sense. then he starts saying some things that are really hard to swallow. he does believe KC was Cooper. most of his proof comes from the letters sent. one being from Canada (Province) where Lyle was living at the time. I told him I would not repeat a lot of what he said. he goes on to say his book will be coming out very soon. he has 6 suspects in the book and narrows them down to one. he also said the FBI is not happy with the case claiming they get an average of 3 calls a day claiming they know something about the case. he went onto explain they will be closing the case 11/24/2013. will it happen? I don't know. some of the things he said don't make sense until I have more thoughts after talking with Georger and Robert99 in private. I trust these two with judgement calls. nothing personal to anyone else. I talk a lot with both of them off this thread and trust both of them."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41792 July 31, 2013 Bruce, I need to talk with you as well."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #41793 July 31, 2013 Greetings Everyone, I have just finished my book, titled, "DB Cooper - A Report on the Investigation into America's only Unsolved Skyjacking." As an open-sourced journalist I am happy to share an electronic copy with all the readers of this forum. If you would like a copy, send me an email at brucesmith@rainierconnect.com. In addition, I will be sending a copy to all those that I've spoken with about the skyjacking, such as Georger, Tom Kaye, Ayn Dietrich, etc. From all, if you spot inaccuracies or factual errors please let me know. Of course, the first copy I am sending is to our very own Jo - she's already threatened to sue me! You should have heard the phone message!!! Wow. Thanks, Bruce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #41794 July 31, 2013 mrshutter45Bruce, I need to talk with you as well. I'm happy to call, but I'm not sure I have your phone number. I'll dig around, but you can always call me. I'm on Pacific Time and my phone number is listed in the "contact" section of the Mountain News. -Bruce Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
testxyz 0 #41795 July 31, 2013 Quotehe has 6 suspects in the book and narrows them down to one If Geivett thinks KC is DB Cooper - Geivett is also claiming McCoy knew KC. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xPQ8NtDwU A post by Geivett at youtube 2 weeks ago below Paul Geivett 2 weeks ago He was one of the top 6 suspects and its not gosset or mc coy but mc coy did know db cooper cooper lost 60,000 of the money but was found and 6000 was placed on beach for brian I to find on purpose Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41796 July 31, 2013 he does claim this knowledge.....lots for this guy to prove...."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 256 #41797 July 31, 2013 BruceSmithGreetings Everyone, I have just finished my book, titled, "DB Cooper - A Report on the Investigation into America's only Unsolved Skyjacking." As an open-sourced journalist I am happy to share an electronic copy with all the readers of this forum. If you would like a copy, send me an email at brucesmith@rainierconnect.com. In addition, I will be sending a copy to all those that I've spoken with about the skyjacking, such as Georger, Tom Kaye, Ayn Dietrich, etc. From all, if you spot inaccuracies or factual errors please let me know. Of course, the first copy I am sending is to our very own Jo - she's already threatened to sue me! You should have heard the phone message!!! Wow. Thanks, Bruce OK Bruce thanks. Will be anxious to read it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 256 #41798 July 31, 2013 testxyzQuotehe has 6 suspects in the book and narrows them down to one If Geivett thinks KC is DB Cooper - Geivett is also claiming McCoy knew KC. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xPQ8NtDwU A post by Geivett at youtube 2 weeks ago below Paul Geivett 2 weeks ago He was one of the top 6 suspects and its not gosset or mc coy but mc coy did know db cooper cooper lost 60,000 of the money but was found and 6000 was placed on beach for brian I to find on purpose woahhhh! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41799 July 31, 2013 testxyzQuotehe has 6 suspects in the book and narrows them down to one If Geivett thinks KC is DB Cooper - Geivett is also claiming McCoy knew KC. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9xPQ8NtDwU A post by Geivett at youtube 2 weeks ago below Paul Geivett 2 weeks ago He was one of the top 6 suspects and its not gosset or mc coy but mc coy did know db cooper cooper lost 60,000 of the money but was found and 6000 was placed on beach for brian I to find on purpose If you look on You Tube he comments on about 98% of the videos with the same template. he is making some pretty crazy accusations, but some of what he says makes sense. he links McCoy, but not directly. he went thru the many different stories about how the Ingram's fit in. the money was planted. how this was done is another far fetched conclusion."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #41800 July 31, 2013 QuoteMy understanding is that the Travel Channel also hired some semi-professional skydivers to jump into the area of the flight path for a little background drama. Wonder where they jumped? Amazon would have done the jump free. I'd be on the ground cheering her on. I prefer DZ landings. Never done a wilderness jump. Landed in a shopping center parking lot once. WFFC, cloudy, DC 3 pilot who could not do GPS navigation. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
