BruceSmith 3 #41976 August 7, 2013 testxyzRob Heady is Skyjacker number 17 at http://skyjackeroftheday.tumblr.com/post/51968028172/17-robb-heady Yes, but he is Cooper copycat Number 8 at the Mountain News and the DZ. I interviewed him a few months ago, thanks to Snowmman, and posted the conversation here. You can also ask me for a free copy of my book on Cooper, which explores all the the Cooper copycat skyjackings that I have been able to identify - Cini through McNally. Just send me an email request at brucesmith@rainierconnect.com for an electronic copy of "DB Cooper - A Report on the Investigation into America's only Unsolved Skyjacking." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 53 #41977 August 7, 2013 georger Will send PMs shortly - btw the PI Transcript is still available at: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf or: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2010/11/22/p-i-archive-d-b-cooper-search-photos-and-evidence/ Its labaled as "Part of the Transcript (pdf)" They dont say where the rest is - The PI Cooper transcripts are 99 pages long and identical to those on Sluggo's web page. There is no obvious information on Sluggo's page about when he obtained the transcripts and/or their source. On August 20, 2008, the FBI sent a FAX to someone, presumably Sluggo, that was 17 pages long. Pages 001/017 thru 007/017 are now known as the "FBI Notes" and are not duplicated anywhere else outside the FBI to my knowledge. Pages 008/017 thru 017/017 are two separate and identical sections of the PI and Sluggo transcripts. So it appears that the PI had access to everything that is now in the "public domain" except the "FBI Notes". Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41978 August 7, 2013 Robert99 *** Will send PMs shortly - btw the PI Transcript is still available at: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf or: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2010/11/22/p-i-archive-d-b-cooper-search-photos-and-evidence/ Its labaled as "Part of the Transcript (pdf)" They dont say where the rest is - The PI Cooper transcripts are 99 pages long and identical to those on Sluggo's web page. There is no obvious information on Sluggo's page about when he obtained the transcripts and/or their source. On August 20, 2008, the FBI sent a FAX to someone, presumably Sluggo, that was 17 pages long. Pages 001/017 thru 007/017 are now known as the "FBI Notes" and are not duplicated anywhere else outside the FBI to my knowledge. Pages 008/017 thru 017/017 are two separate and identical sections of the PI and Sluggo transcripts. So it appears that the PI had access to everything that is now in the "public domain" except the "FBI Notes". Robert99 I would gather he got the transcripts from Carr. he explains this on the bottoms of the sectional charts. correction: the maps were obtained thru Carr, so I would guess the transcripts came from him as well. still over heated from a very hot day update: I went to his site and found that page was created on May 5, 2008. it was updated/revised on April 20, 2010."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smokin99 0 #41979 August 8, 2013 BruceSmithGreetings Everyone, I was just asked by Fred Poyner at the WSHM to let everyone here at the DZ know about thier Cooerp exhibit online. I didn't know that they had one, and am glad to hear about it. Here's Fred email to me: ******************************************* Hi, Bruce. I know you are one of the regular contributors to the Dropzone forum, and just wanted to pass along a resource in case it may be of potential interest/discussion/debate for the group. Please feel free to share this link below, to our site. In the process of researching and developing the Cooper exhibition for our museum here, we have assembled a collection of oral history interviews, photographs, views of artifacts, archives, relating both to the subject of the Cooper hijacking, and the broader topic of air travel security history. Some of this material I’m sure you have seen before, while others are wholly original to this exhibition, such as the interview with passenger Larry Finegold and BJ Hickey, one of the Northwest staff at Sea-Tac the night of the hijacking. Gwen also filed a FOIA request with the FBI, as part of our research into the case. A couple of documents we received as a result of that are included with our online gallery to review and download. I hope you can make it out to see the exhibition at some point. Best, Fred COOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 Fred Poyner IV Digital Collections Curator Washington State Historical Society Washington State History Research Center 315 North Stadium Way Tacoma, WA 98403but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 256 #41980 August 8, 2013 Robert99 *** Will send PMs shortly - btw the PI Transcript is still available at: http://blog.seattlepi.com/thebigblog/files/library/dbcooper_transcripts.pdf or: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/2010/11/22/p-i-archive-d-b-cooper-search-photos-and-evidence/ Its labaled as "Part of the Transcript (pdf)" They dont say where the rest is - The PI Cooper transcripts are 99 pages long and identical to those on Sluggo's web page. There is no obvious information on Sluggo's page about when he obtained the transcripts and/or their source. On August 20, 2008, the FBI sent a FAX to someone, presumably Sluggo, that was 17 pages long. Pages 001/017 thru 007/017 are now known as the "FBI Notes" and are not duplicated anywhere else outside the FBI to my knowledge. Pages 008/017 thru 017/017 are two separate and identical sections of the PI and Sluggo transcripts. So it appears that the PI had access to everything that is now in the "public domain" except the "FBI Notes". Robert99 Quote I would have said the same but wasn't really sure. I will speculate the Seattle PI likely got their copy of the Transcript from somebody at the FBI in Seattle, then produced a pdf. But its pure speculation. Sluggo did receive the NWA Transcipt directly from Carr and presented it here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
testxyz 0 #41981 August 8, 2013 COOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 I was looking at the different artifacts in the online collection. There is a D.B Cooper letter and it reads: Attention! Thanks for Hospitality Was in a Rut D.B. Cooper I was also looking at the pilot transcripts from when the plane is on the ground in Seattle. Pilot: We're in a Rut. Well he seems to want those back stairs down. From what I read, this letter is a hoax PLUS Cooper was supposively in the back of the plane when the Pilot was talking about the back stairs. Would be interesting if Cooper overheard the Pilot and mentioned rut as a clue in the letter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert99 53 #41982 August 8, 2013 BruceSmithGreetings Everyone- Robb Heady sent me an email today with some questions about DB Cooper. It appears that Robb is getting hooked on the story and the mysteries! He asked me to post his queries here for us to kick around. Here's his email: *************************************** Bruce, Thanks for sending be a copy of your new book. I read it and found the book to be very interesting and informative. I have not read any other books about Cooper, but your book seems to be the best accumulation of all the known facts, characters, sleuths and theories. Good job. Based on the information I learned in your book, I have some thoughts on the subject that you might want to bounce around at that DZ chat room. Weather was a key issue for me, and I assume it was for Cooper and McCoy. I picked a day with light to no wind and scattered cloud cover. You have to be able to see the ground to know where you are. Did Cooper pick that day because it was the best weather that week, or did he have to jump on that day because other days did not fit into his plan? I would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. So when does this book get published and where can I buy 10 copies? Congrats on the book. Sincerely, Robb Bruce, Is it possible that you could get Robb Heady to join this forum? I'm sure that we have more questions to ask him than he has to ask us. And we need to talk to him directly. Robert99 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #41983 August 8, 2013 Bruce, Is it possible that you could get Robb Heady to join this forum? I'm sure that we have more questions to ask him than he has to ask us. And we need to talk to him directly. Robert99 *** I've encouraged Robb to puruse these pages and I don't know if he has. However, he has asked me to get him in touch with 377, which I have. Robb also has indicated that he wants to attend the Ariel festivities if I'll "take him." But he doesn't "want to be asnwering questions all night long," but I think a few would be tolerable. If Robb and I make it to Ariel this year, which is my plan, I'll let the DZ know. Also, I am happy to forward any suitable email to Robb if you want to send it via me at: brucesmith@rainierconnect.com. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #41984 August 8, 2013 Galen has contacted me tonight since there seems to be some confusion as to who is The Weasel and who is The Snake. I told Galen that I strongly prefer being called The Snake as opposed to the other moniker, and Galen has not voiced any objections. That said, please know that I also have strong mixed feelings about being called "Cousin Brucie," but I think it's a fine term of endearment depending on the time and place - context is everything, I suppose. Also, in local political circles here in Washington I am affectionately called "The Hit-Man," to which I am most fond. So, take your pick, friends... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BruceSmith 3 #41985 August 8, 2013 testxyzCOOPER gallery online -- http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/results.aspx?hl=222 I was looking at the different artifacts in the online collection. There is a D.B Cooper letter and it reads: Attention! Thanks for Hospitality Was in a Rut D.B. Cooper I was also looking at the pilot transcripts from when the plane is on the ground in Seattle. Pilot: We're in a Rut. Well he seems to want those back stairs down. From what I read, this letter is a hoax PLUS Cooper was supposively in the back of the plane when the Pilot was talking about the back stairs. Would be interesting if Cooper overheard the Pilot and mentioned rut as a clue in the letter. *** Whether the "DB Cooper" letters are a hoax or not is a major issue in the current investigation. It certainly is a focal point of the mysterious Al Di, and I suspect that it is also a salient point of interest in Curtis Eng's life as well, since he exchanged 60 emails with Galen on the subject. But of course you would know that if you have read my book. Please excuse my redundancy in case you have seen my discussion on this subject, but I haven't received a request from you, Testy, for the book so I don't know for sure what information is available to you at the moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sailshaw 0 #41986 August 8, 2013 Bruce I plan to go to the Museum DB Cooper display. I was hoping to get a photo of the chute from Norm Hayden that the Museum now owns, but it looks like they will not have the chute displayed out of the carrier. What is important is that the chute that DB used is exactly like what is in the Museum carrier. All the talk about DB selected the wrong chute is for nothing as both chutes supplied were alike and purchased by Norm Hayden at the same time from a Surplus store on Marginal Way by the Boeing Developmental Center. Bruce you were able to take a photo (attached) of the chute slightly pulled out of the carrier and it can be determined from that photo that the chute that DB used was also white rip-stop material. That means the non-rip-stop and colored Amboy chute was NOT THE ONE DB USED. The four letters sent to the newspapers just after Norjak by DB are probably the real thing and from him. I noted the saying at the bottom of letter three "system that beats the system" was a mantra that I heard over and over from Sheridan while at my place for a month. That is why I believe him to be DB as you know and makes the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps the smoking gun in the case that blow Sheridan's alibi wide open. This is the last piece of evidence the FBI has and has not investagated. What a shame to drop the case when so close to solving it. Comparing the DNA from the envelopes with what the FBI has from Sheridan will prove to be a match. Easy and will not cost much to do. In fact I will pay for the DNA tests up to $1,000. Bob Sailshaw sailshaw@aol.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 256 #41987 August 8, 2013 sailshawBruce I plan to go to the Museum DB Cooper display. I was hoping to get a photo of the chute from Norm Hayden that the Museum now owns, but it looks like they will not have the chute displayed out of the carrier. What is important is that the chute that DB used is exactly like what is in the Museum carrier. All the talk about DB selected the wrong chute is for nothing as both chutes supplied were alike and purchased by Norm Hayden at the same time from a Surplus store on Marginal Way by the Boeing Developmental Center. Bruce you were able to take a photo (attached) of the chute slightly pulled out of the carrier and it can be determined from that photo that the chute that DB used was also white rip-stop material. That means the non-rip-stop and colored Amboy chute was NOT THE ONE DB USED. The four letters sent to the newspapers just after Norjak by DB are probably the real thing and from him. I noted the saying at the bottom of letter three "system that beats the system" was a mantra that I heard over and over from Sheridan while at my place for a month. That is why I believe him to be DB as you know and makes the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps the smoking gun in the case that blow Sheridan's alibi wide open. This is the last piece of evidence the FBI has and has not investagated. What a shame to drop the case when so close to solving it. Comparing the DNA from the envelopes with what the FBI has from Sheridan will prove to be a match. Easy and will not cost much to do. In fact I will pay for the DNA tests up to $1,000. Bob Sailshaw sailshaw@aol.comQuote What was once very simple is now very complicated. Too many people with side interests got involved - We offered to help but never even received a reply. Undoubtedtly 377 and Tom Kaye got involved in this. Ask them where the whole matter is! ? With respect to NGS testing of Cooper evidence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #41988 August 8, 2013 Sailshaw wroteQuoteThe four letters sent to the newspapers just after Norjak by DB are probably the real thing and from him. I noted the saying at the bottom of letter three "system that beats the system" was a mantra that I heard over and over from Sheridan while at my place for a month. That is why I believe him to be DB as you know and makes the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps the smoking gun in the case that blow Sheridan's alibi wide open. The phrase in the letter "system that beats the system" was not a word by word cut and paste. The entire phrase appeared in an ad for KLH stereo gear. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Al Di's detective work on those Playboy magazines is amazing to me. Wonder who he really is. That bit of fabric pulled out of Normans rig is ripstop and is the right color for a USN 26ft conical, a VERY good canopy. My first emergency cutaway was from a malfunctioning surplus C9 main. I popped my $25 USN 26 ft conical reserve. Boy was I grateful to see that dirt cheap reserve open perfectly. It's obsolete now but I still have it. I showed it to my kids and told them that if it had failed they never would have been born. They were duly impressed. The WA museum exhibit looks like it will be very good. Snow corrected one of their display cards which erroneously identified a chest reserve container as an NB 6 "bag". I wish Q would let Snow return. It's been years. Enough time served. I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41989 August 8, 2013 377 Sailshaw wrote Quote The four letters sent to the newspapers just after Norjak by DB are probably the real thing and from him. I noted the saying at the bottom of letter three "system that beats the system" was a mantra that I heard over and over from Sheridan while at my place for a month. That is why I believe him to be DB as you know and makes the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps the smoking gun in the case that blow Sheridan's alibi wide open. The phrase in the letter "system that beats the system" was not a word by word cut and paste. The entire phrase appeared in an ad for KLH stereo gear. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Al Di's detective work on those Playboy magazines is amazing to me. Wonder who he really is. That bit of fabric pulled out of Normans rig is ripstop and is the right color for a USN 26ft conical, a VERY good canopy. My first emergency cutaway was from a malfunctioning surplus C9 main. I popped my $25 USN 26 ft conical reserve. Boy was I grateful to see that dirt cheap reserve open perfectly. It's obsolete now but I still have it. I showed it to my kids and told them that if it had failed they never would have been born. They were duly impressed. The WA museum exhibit looks like it will be very good. Snow corrected one of their display cards which erroneously identified a chest reserve container as an NB 6 "bag". I wish Q would let Snow return. It's been years. Enough time served. I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 I have my doubts about the letters but, if Eng. has been discussing this with 60 emails (according to Bruce) one would think they would test the letters against what they already have? it's not going to put the Country any further in debt. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 256 #41990 August 8, 2013 I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 Quote Still they could compare dna between the letter/envelope and the samples of Petey and Cooper they have - would be no big deal. My concern is they don't have a 'modern' workup on Cooper dna, socalled, in the first place. Of course they could have. No way of knowing because in the final analysis it is an active criminal case ... the minute they decide to use that catagory. It's all good! After reading Kaye/Carol's account of Cooper stripping the reserve, if as Carol says Cooper began this work immediately upon liftoff (a lengthy process) all to make a container for the money since the the backpack had not been delivered ... that seems to contradict Carr's assertion that Cooper intended to bail immediately after takeoff to stay near Seattle. If that was the case he likely would have demanded the backpack before liftoff, and he could easily have done that. The need for backpack or money container might indicate the intention to "travel some distance on foot" after landing. ?? Why didn't he demand the backpack? He could have. What is all of this (confusion?) about making a container for the money, making one from the reserve container and shifting money into that, then evidently deciding against that, and pouring the money back into the bank bag, then tying that to himself ... ? Is this description correct on Kaye's site? Cooper seems to have displayed some skill and deftness in cutting and using the reserve to try and make a container that would work ... then deciding against it and using the bank bag after all? Or do I have this all confused? Kaye's site is a little hard to follow on this complicated scenario ... Im guessing Cooper had some pretty good crafting skills. Maybe he was a chef ... or a Food service Worker! Whose restaurant needed bailing out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #41991 August 8, 2013 georger I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 Quote Still they could compare dna between the letter/envelope and the samples of Petey and Cooper they have - would be no big deal. My concern is they don't have a 'modern' workup on Cooper dna, socalled, in the first place. Of course they could have. No way of knowing because in the final analysis it is an active criminal case ... the minute they decide to use that catagory. It's all good! I wondered about the DNA make-up and the FBI's stance that it could only rule out a suspect. If this were a fact, why would they waste the time, effort and $$ on taking a DNA sample from L.D.'s daughter? Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 256 #41992 August 8, 2013 EVickiW *** I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 Quote Still they could compare dna between the letter/envelope and the samples of Petey and Cooper they have - would be no big deal. My concern is they don't have a 'modern' workup on Cooper dna, socalled, in the first place. Of course they could have. No way of knowing because in the final analysis it is an active criminal case ... the minute they decide to use that catagory. It's all good! I wondered about the DNA make-up and the FBI's stance that it could only rule out a suspect. If this were a fact, why would they waste the time, effort and $$ on taking a DNA sample from L.D.'s daughter? Because they evidently have no specimen from LD himself or are doing a double match, so are seeking a specimen from a close relative who would share LD's dna traits. It's a backdoor way of evaluating LD's dna against their Cooper sample. And if they can do this, it tells me they have a pretty solid "partial" socalled, they are using, or something better than a 'partial' which tech's feel is exclusionary, statistically. My feeling is what they have fits the standard protocols of the CODIS-13 system. They have at least 7 loci they feel are statistically sound. Maybe something more than 7 loci, which would be excellent news. If it's Cooper's in the first place? Bu that is the reason they would want and use LD's daughter's dna. They are sincere about trying to evaluate LD if they have done this. Since NGS (Next Generation Sequencing) cost is no issue - people still make a buck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites EVickiW 0 #41993 August 8, 2013 georger ****** I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 Quote Still they could compare dna between the letter/envelope and the samples of Petey and Cooper they have - would be no big deal. My concern is they don't have a 'modern' workup on Cooper dna, socalled, in the first place. Of course they could have. No way of knowing because in the final analysis it is an active criminal case ... the minute they decide to use that catagory. It's all good! I wondered about the DNA make-up and the FBI's stance that it could only rule out a suspect. If this were a fact, why would they waste the time, effort and $$ on taking a DNA sample from L.D.'s daughter? Because they evidently have no specimen from LD himself or are doing a double match, so are seeking a specimen from a close relative who would share LD's dna traits. It's a backdoor way of evaluating LD's dna against their Cooper sample. And if they can do this, it tells me they have a pretty solid "partial" socalled, they are using, or something better than a 'partial' which tech's feel is exclusionary, statistically. My feeling is what they have fits the standard protocols of the CODIS-13 system. They have at least 7 loci they feel are statistically sound. Maybe something more than 7 loci, which would be excellent news. If it's Cooper's in the first place? Bu that is the reason they would want and use LD's daughter's dna. They are sincere about trying to evaluate LD if they have done this. Since NGS (Next Generation Sequencing) cost is no issue - people still make a buck! In 2008, Larry Carr went on record stating that a familial sample could not be tested against the sample they have. http://www.stevenrinehart.com/uploads/LarryCarrInterview.mp3. However, I understand the science of DNA is always evolving and this may not be the case any longer. Hypothetically, how could a a family member, son and daughter, have their DNA compared to the FBI's samples they believe are Cooper's. Let's presume the son and daughter (of a possible suspect) already have their DNA samples in the Missing Persons side of Codis through Namus http://www.namus.gov/. In addition.....how can the fingerprints be compared. Are these pieces of Cooper evidence locked up tighter than a _____________ ?....(insert your own euphemism here). Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #41994 August 9, 2013 Heady Stated: QuoteI would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. This was an old trick performed by the Smoke Jumpers and how they dropped material with them too heavy/awkward/ or dangerous to strap on. A similar things is represented by the picture I have posted many times of the Jumper with the Barrel between his legs. Some HOW Duane Weber got the nickname or CB name of Worlds Greatest Jock Carrier. That CB handle could have several meanings. NOTE the picture the artist drew for one of the books. Tieing the load with a long rope to his waist. It was elementary sketching of the descripton Tina gave. I wonder what an artist knowledgeable of jumping - Viet Nam and Forestry would depict with the wording and description coming from Tina who was the ONLY one to see this procedure on the plane. Picture Attached and NOTE this was used by PaperLegs Petersen for Smoke Jumping and the utilized during the Intermountain Communciations Operation (1962 to 1972). That method was very meaningful to those who needed to get awkard equipment on the ground with them. Smoke Jumpers - it got the necessary firefighting equipment they had to hit the ground with them to survive - certain tools and fluids and food. They could not depend on a separate drop to get these item on the ground with them. Same with a war when the snipers abound - that equipment got to the ground in a separate place and it was trouble. This is the photo in the magazine Duane Weber left in a safe deposit box unknown to his widow until after his death. He confessed to the crime. P.S. HAS anyone let the FBI know I have more reliable DNA than they obtained in 1996 from items handled multiple time by multiple individuals and cleaned many times....some items he may not have ever touched and they had been handled by mulitple individual since then. My last spouse used some of the tools. What did they expect me to have in my possession 8 yrs after he died. I remarried. I moved, Cleaning freak. Sold things. Gave things away. Yet, they want more DN from Marlas family - LD was too young to be Cooper and wrong color hair and eyes. Look at these 2 pics - on of LD and then one of Weber taken in 1977 - our 1st Xmas together. He no longer died his hair and the position I took the pic from - well, you guys look at the pic of LD and this pic of WEBER with the same position. NOTE how the position changes the appearance. I no longer can put 2 pics side by side but one of you might want to do this for me - both side by side on on shot.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 256 #41995 August 9, 2013 EVickiW ********* I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 Quote Still they could compare dna between the letter/envelope and the samples of Petey and Cooper they have - would be no big deal. My concern is they don't have a 'modern' workup on Cooper dna, socalled, in the first place. Of course they could have. No way of knowing because in the final analysis it is an active criminal case ... the minute they decide to use that catagory. It's all good! I wondered about the DNA make-up and the FBI's stance that it could only rule out a suspect. If this were a fact, why would they waste the time, effort and $$ on taking a DNA sample from L.D.'s daughter? Because they evidently have no specimen from LD himself or are doing a double match, so are seeking a specimen from a close relative who would share LD's dna traits. It's a backdoor way of evaluating LD's dna against their Cooper sample. And if they can do this, it tells me they have a pretty solid "partial" socalled, they are using, or something better than a 'partial' which tech's feel is exclusionary, statistically. My feeling is what they have fits the standard protocols of the CODIS-13 system. They have at least 7 loci they feel are statistically sound. Maybe something more than 7 loci, which would be excellent news. If it's Cooper's in the first place? Bu that is the reason they would want and use LD's daughter's dna. They are sincere about trying to evaluate LD if they have done this. Since NGS (Next Generation Sequencing) cost is no issue - people still make a buck! In 2008, Larry Carr went on record stating that a familial sample could not be tested against the sample they have. http://www.stevenrinehart.com/uploads/LarryCarrInterview.mp3. However, I understand the science of DNA is always evolving and this may not be the case any longer. Hypothetically, how could a a family member, son and daughter, have their DNA compared to the FBI's samples they believe are Cooper's. Let's presume the son and daughter (of a possible suspect) already have their DNA samples in the Missing Persons side of Codis through Namus http://www.namus.gov/. In addition.....how can the fingerprints be compared. Are these pieces of Cooper evidence locked up tighter than a _____________ ?....(insert your own euphemism here). Quote So far as I know finger prints are still unique to every individual, so far. I have no idea what Carr's statement means. Carr is no longer here to question. It was Carr who informed the world the FBI had a "Partial" which was exclsuionary, but he didn't define that or elaborate. So everything we are talking about here is speculation. Maybe Big Bird knows ? Hard information about any of this is lacking, unless Big Bird knows? I dont even know who Big Bird is, day to day, hour to hour, universe to universe! I suppose if you asked the FBI to do comparative testing with certified samples you have, they would consider and give you a response ? That might best be handled by an attorney or law enforcement. Ive already explained how 'hypothetically' a familial member's dna can be compard, to a parent, sibling, or a neutral party. Maybe this will help: http://www.biology.arizona.edu/human_bio/activities/blackett2/overview.html or this: http://www.biology.arizona.edu/human_bio/activities/blackett2/str_codis.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 256 #41996 August 9, 2013 RobertMBlevinsThe curators at the Washington State History Museum, as everyone knows by now, are doing a DB Cooper exhibit. FYI: Don't expect anything displayed that hints to any known (or unknown) suspects. I have spoken to a couple of the curators on this subject. They told me that the idea for the exhibit was to present anything about DB Cooper himself, but nothing on whom he may have been. In other words, it's a non-partisan exhibit. They screened the offered displays carefully to ensure this policy will be in place. For example, they declined recently on my offer to contribute the countertop piece from KC's house, and the hardback version of the Cooper comic. The first would hint at KC as a suspect. The second was signed by the Decoded cast, which would indicate the same. Since they did this with everyone who offered exhibits, seems fair to me. Bottom line: Don't expect to see anything from The Usual Suspects, or any references to them.Quote Say, what is this we are hearing about you threatening to sue Bruce Smith if Bruce mentions KC being gay in his book? You still deny that Kenny was gay? What would allow you to threaten and sue Bruce over this? Why are you now attacking Bruce Smith, officially with threat of legal action, forcing Bruce to run to an attorney for legal advice on how to handle your threat(s) ? Is Geivette a part of this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41997 August 9, 2013 I'm glad to see the Washington State History Museum is not accepting anything from known suspects. that's the way it should be. some people are doing it for the advertising. the exhibit is about DB Cooper, not Cooper wannabee's or people trying to saturate the public with circumstantial evidence."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sailshaw 0 #41998 August 9, 2013 377 You say: "Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan." I say: The FBI has continued to get much about this case wrong and that is why it has not solved it after 40 years. What ever the FBI thinks is good DB DNA would be a combination of errors in how and what they took. The four letter DNA if a match to Sheridan would give them the leverage to get the real story out of Sheridan with a threat of jail time for the remainder of his life (lie to FBI being a Federal case). The case is so close to being solved with just a simple/inexpensive DNA test of the stamps/envelope flaps. How can the FBI pass up this evidence? Bob Sailshaw sailshaw@aol.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #41999 August 9, 2013 I agree that its worth a try to analyse the envelope DNA and compare it to Sheridans. I'm just trying to explain why the FBI disagrees. As far as they are concerned Sheridan has been ruled out. I doubt if they can be moved from that position. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #42000 August 9, 2013 377I agree that its worth a try to analyse the envelope DNA and compare it to Sheridans. I'm just trying to explain why the FBI disagrees. As far as they are concerned Sheridan has been ruled out. I doubt if they can be moved from that position. 377 Hasn't the FBI ruled out all the "Suspects" presented in this thread, based on the actual physical evidence? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 1685 Next Page 1680 of 2586 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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377 22 #41988 August 8, 2013 Sailshaw wroteQuoteThe four letters sent to the newspapers just after Norjak by DB are probably the real thing and from him. I noted the saying at the bottom of letter three "system that beats the system" was a mantra that I heard over and over from Sheridan while at my place for a month. That is why I believe him to be DB as you know and makes the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps the smoking gun in the case that blow Sheridan's alibi wide open. The phrase in the letter "system that beats the system" was not a word by word cut and paste. The entire phrase appeared in an ad for KLH stereo gear. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Al Di's detective work on those Playboy magazines is amazing to me. Wonder who he really is. That bit of fabric pulled out of Normans rig is ripstop and is the right color for a USN 26ft conical, a VERY good canopy. My first emergency cutaway was from a malfunctioning surplus C9 main. I popped my $25 USN 26 ft conical reserve. Boy was I grateful to see that dirt cheap reserve open perfectly. It's obsolete now but I still have it. I showed it to my kids and told them that if it had failed they never would have been born. They were duly impressed. The WA museum exhibit looks like it will be very good. Snow corrected one of their display cards which erroneously identified a chest reserve container as an NB 6 "bag". I wish Q would let Snow return. It's been years. Enough time served. I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrshutter45 21 #41989 August 8, 2013 377 Sailshaw wrote Quote The four letters sent to the newspapers just after Norjak by DB are probably the real thing and from him. I noted the saying at the bottom of letter three "system that beats the system" was a mantra that I heard over and over from Sheridan while at my place for a month. That is why I believe him to be DB as you know and makes the DNA from under the stamps/envelope flaps the smoking gun in the case that blow Sheridan's alibi wide open. The phrase in the letter "system that beats the system" was not a word by word cut and paste. The entire phrase appeared in an ad for KLH stereo gear. Doesn't prove anything one way or the other. Al Di's detective work on those Playboy magazines is amazing to me. Wonder who he really is. That bit of fabric pulled out of Normans rig is ripstop and is the right color for a USN 26ft conical, a VERY good canopy. My first emergency cutaway was from a malfunctioning surplus C9 main. I popped my $25 USN 26 ft conical reserve. Boy was I grateful to see that dirt cheap reserve open perfectly. It's obsolete now but I still have it. I showed it to my kids and told them that if it had failed they never would have been born. They were duly impressed. The WA museum exhibit looks like it will be very good. Snow corrected one of their display cards which erroneously identified a chest reserve container as an NB 6 "bag". I wish Q would let Snow return. It's been years. Enough time served. I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 I have my doubts about the letters but, if Eng. has been discussing this with 60 emails (according to Bruce) one would think they would test the letters against what they already have? it's not going to put the Country any further in debt. "It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 256 #41990 August 8, 2013 I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 Quote Still they could compare dna between the letter/envelope and the samples of Petey and Cooper they have - would be no big deal. My concern is they don't have a 'modern' workup on Cooper dna, socalled, in the first place. Of course they could have. No way of knowing because in the final analysis it is an active criminal case ... the minute they decide to use that catagory. It's all good! After reading Kaye/Carol's account of Cooper stripping the reserve, if as Carol says Cooper began this work immediately upon liftoff (a lengthy process) all to make a container for the money since the the backpack had not been delivered ... that seems to contradict Carr's assertion that Cooper intended to bail immediately after takeoff to stay near Seattle. If that was the case he likely would have demanded the backpack before liftoff, and he could easily have done that. The need for backpack or money container might indicate the intention to "travel some distance on foot" after landing. ?? Why didn't he demand the backpack? He could have. What is all of this (confusion?) about making a container for the money, making one from the reserve container and shifting money into that, then evidently deciding against that, and pouring the money back into the bank bag, then tying that to himself ... ? Is this description correct on Kaye's site? Cooper seems to have displayed some skill and deftness in cutting and using the reserve to try and make a container that would work ... then deciding against it and using the bank bag after all? Or do I have this all confused? Kaye's site is a little hard to follow on this complicated scenario ... Im guessing Cooper had some pretty good crafting skills. Maybe he was a chef ... or a Food service Worker! Whose restaurant needed bailing out! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #41991 August 8, 2013 georger I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 Quote Still they could compare dna between the letter/envelope and the samples of Petey and Cooper they have - would be no big deal. My concern is they don't have a 'modern' workup on Cooper dna, socalled, in the first place. Of course they could have. No way of knowing because in the final analysis it is an active criminal case ... the minute they decide to use that catagory. It's all good! I wondered about the DNA make-up and the FBI's stance that it could only rule out a suspect. If this were a fact, why would they waste the time, effort and $$ on taking a DNA sample from L.D.'s daughter? Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 256 #41992 August 8, 2013 EVickiW *** I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 Quote Still they could compare dna between the letter/envelope and the samples of Petey and Cooper they have - would be no big deal. My concern is they don't have a 'modern' workup on Cooper dna, socalled, in the first place. Of course they could have. No way of knowing because in the final analysis it is an active criminal case ... the minute they decide to use that catagory. It's all good! I wondered about the DNA make-up and the FBI's stance that it could only rule out a suspect. If this were a fact, why would they waste the time, effort and $$ on taking a DNA sample from L.D.'s daughter? Because they evidently have no specimen from LD himself or are doing a double match, so are seeking a specimen from a close relative who would share LD's dna traits. It's a backdoor way of evaluating LD's dna against their Cooper sample. And if they can do this, it tells me they have a pretty solid "partial" socalled, they are using, or something better than a 'partial' which tech's feel is exclusionary, statistically. My feeling is what they have fits the standard protocols of the CODIS-13 system. They have at least 7 loci they feel are statistically sound. Maybe something more than 7 loci, which would be excellent news. If it's Cooper's in the first place? Bu that is the reason they would want and use LD's daughter's dna. They are sincere about trying to evaluate LD if they have done this. Since NGS (Next Generation Sequencing) cost is no issue - people still make a buck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVickiW 0 #41993 August 8, 2013 georger ****** I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 Quote Still they could compare dna between the letter/envelope and the samples of Petey and Cooper they have - would be no big deal. My concern is they don't have a 'modern' workup on Cooper dna, socalled, in the first place. Of course they could have. No way of knowing because in the final analysis it is an active criminal case ... the minute they decide to use that catagory. It's all good! I wondered about the DNA make-up and the FBI's stance that it could only rule out a suspect. If this were a fact, why would they waste the time, effort and $$ on taking a DNA sample from L.D.'s daughter? Because they evidently have no specimen from LD himself or are doing a double match, so are seeking a specimen from a close relative who would share LD's dna traits. It's a backdoor way of evaluating LD's dna against their Cooper sample. And if they can do this, it tells me they have a pretty solid "partial" socalled, they are using, or something better than a 'partial' which tech's feel is exclusionary, statistically. My feeling is what they have fits the standard protocols of the CODIS-13 system. They have at least 7 loci they feel are statistically sound. Maybe something more than 7 loci, which would be excellent news. If it's Cooper's in the first place? Bu that is the reason they would want and use LD's daughter's dna. They are sincere about trying to evaluate LD if they have done this. Since NGS (Next Generation Sequencing) cost is no issue - people still make a buck! In 2008, Larry Carr went on record stating that a familial sample could not be tested against the sample they have. http://www.stevenrinehart.com/uploads/LarryCarrInterview.mp3. However, I understand the science of DNA is always evolving and this may not be the case any longer. Hypothetically, how could a a family member, son and daughter, have their DNA compared to the FBI's samples they believe are Cooper's. Let's presume the son and daughter (of a possible suspect) already have their DNA samples in the Missing Persons side of Codis through Namus http://www.namus.gov/. In addition.....how can the fingerprints be compared. Are these pieces of Cooper evidence locked up tighter than a _____________ ?....(insert your own euphemism here). Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #41994 August 9, 2013 Heady Stated: QuoteI would be interested in the parachute he opened in the plane. Without D rings those reserve chutes were useless to him, but what he cut out of that one chute could tell us more about his plan. If he was going to blow up or throw away his bomb and brief case, then he would only make a money pouch out of the chute. If he was taking everything with him, then he would make a bag that he could lash behind his legs for the jump, and then lower the bag about 10 feet below him once he was under the canopy. The amount of material he cut from the chute would be quite different depending on his plan. This was an old trick performed by the Smoke Jumpers and how they dropped material with them too heavy/awkward/ or dangerous to strap on. A similar things is represented by the picture I have posted many times of the Jumper with the Barrel between his legs. Some HOW Duane Weber got the nickname or CB name of Worlds Greatest Jock Carrier. That CB handle could have several meanings. NOTE the picture the artist drew for one of the books. Tieing the load with a long rope to his waist. It was elementary sketching of the descripton Tina gave. I wonder what an artist knowledgeable of jumping - Viet Nam and Forestry would depict with the wording and description coming from Tina who was the ONLY one to see this procedure on the plane. Picture Attached and NOTE this was used by PaperLegs Petersen for Smoke Jumping and the utilized during the Intermountain Communciations Operation (1962 to 1972). That method was very meaningful to those who needed to get awkard equipment on the ground with them. Smoke Jumpers - it got the necessary firefighting equipment they had to hit the ground with them to survive - certain tools and fluids and food. They could not depend on a separate drop to get these item on the ground with them. Same with a war when the snipers abound - that equipment got to the ground in a separate place and it was trouble. This is the photo in the magazine Duane Weber left in a safe deposit box unknown to his widow until after his death. He confessed to the crime. P.S. HAS anyone let the FBI know I have more reliable DNA than they obtained in 1996 from items handled multiple time by multiple individuals and cleaned many times....some items he may not have ever touched and they had been handled by mulitple individual since then. My last spouse used some of the tools. What did they expect me to have in my possession 8 yrs after he died. I remarried. I moved, Cleaning freak. Sold things. Gave things away. Yet, they want more DN from Marlas family - LD was too young to be Cooper and wrong color hair and eyes. Look at these 2 pics - on of LD and then one of Weber taken in 1977 - our 1st Xmas together. He no longer died his hair and the position I took the pic from - well, you guys look at the pic of LD and this pic of WEBER with the same position. NOTE how the position changes the appearance. I no longer can put 2 pics side by side but one of you might want to do this for me - both side by side on on shot.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 256 #41995 August 9, 2013 EVickiW ********* I still wonder why the FBI insisted on a subsequent DNA sample from Sheridan if he had a solid Nepal alibi. Maybe they had their doubts about the Alibi. Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan. 377 Quote Still they could compare dna between the letter/envelope and the samples of Petey and Cooper they have - would be no big deal. My concern is they don't have a 'modern' workup on Cooper dna, socalled, in the first place. Of course they could have. No way of knowing because in the final analysis it is an active criminal case ... the minute they decide to use that catagory. It's all good! I wondered about the DNA make-up and the FBI's stance that it could only rule out a suspect. If this were a fact, why would they waste the time, effort and $$ on taking a DNA sample from L.D.'s daughter? Because they evidently have no specimen from LD himself or are doing a double match, so are seeking a specimen from a close relative who would share LD's dna traits. It's a backdoor way of evaluating LD's dna against their Cooper sample. And if they can do this, it tells me they have a pretty solid "partial" socalled, they are using, or something better than a 'partial' which tech's feel is exclusionary, statistically. My feeling is what they have fits the standard protocols of the CODIS-13 system. They have at least 7 loci they feel are statistically sound. Maybe something more than 7 loci, which would be excellent news. If it's Cooper's in the first place? Bu that is the reason they would want and use LD's daughter's dna. They are sincere about trying to evaluate LD if they have done this. Since NGS (Next Generation Sequencing) cost is no issue - people still make a buck! In 2008, Larry Carr went on record stating that a familial sample could not be tested against the sample they have. http://www.stevenrinehart.com/uploads/LarryCarrInterview.mp3. However, I understand the science of DNA is always evolving and this may not be the case any longer. Hypothetically, how could a a family member, son and daughter, have their DNA compared to the FBI's samples they believe are Cooper's. Let's presume the son and daughter (of a possible suspect) already have their DNA samples in the Missing Persons side of Codis through Namus http://www.namus.gov/. In addition.....how can the fingerprints be compared. Are these pieces of Cooper evidence locked up tighter than a _____________ ?....(insert your own euphemism here). Quote So far as I know finger prints are still unique to every individual, so far. I have no idea what Carr's statement means. Carr is no longer here to question. It was Carr who informed the world the FBI had a "Partial" which was exclsuionary, but he didn't define that or elaborate. So everything we are talking about here is speculation. Maybe Big Bird knows ? Hard information about any of this is lacking, unless Big Bird knows? I dont even know who Big Bird is, day to day, hour to hour, universe to universe! I suppose if you asked the FBI to do comparative testing with certified samples you have, they would consider and give you a response ? That might best be handled by an attorney or law enforcement. Ive already explained how 'hypothetically' a familial member's dna can be compard, to a parent, sibling, or a neutral party. Maybe this will help: http://www.biology.arizona.edu/human_bio/activities/blackett2/overview.html or this: http://www.biology.arizona.edu/human_bio/activities/blackett2/str_codis.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 256 #41996 August 9, 2013 RobertMBlevinsThe curators at the Washington State History Museum, as everyone knows by now, are doing a DB Cooper exhibit. FYI: Don't expect anything displayed that hints to any known (or unknown) suspects. I have spoken to a couple of the curators on this subject. They told me that the idea for the exhibit was to present anything about DB Cooper himself, but nothing on whom he may have been. In other words, it's a non-partisan exhibit. They screened the offered displays carefully to ensure this policy will be in place. For example, they declined recently on my offer to contribute the countertop piece from KC's house, and the hardback version of the Cooper comic. The first would hint at KC as a suspect. The second was signed by the Decoded cast, which would indicate the same. Since they did this with everyone who offered exhibits, seems fair to me. Bottom line: Don't expect to see anything from The Usual Suspects, or any references to them.Quote Say, what is this we are hearing about you threatening to sue Bruce Smith if Bruce mentions KC being gay in his book? You still deny that Kenny was gay? What would allow you to threaten and sue Bruce over this? Why are you now attacking Bruce Smith, officially with threat of legal action, forcing Bruce to run to an attorney for legal advice on how to handle your threat(s) ? Is Geivette a part of this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mrshutter45 21 #41997 August 9, 2013 I'm glad to see the Washington State History Museum is not accepting anything from known suspects. that's the way it should be. some people are doing it for the advertising. the exhibit is about DB Cooper, not Cooper wannabee's or people trying to saturate the public with circumstantial evidence."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sailshaw 0 #41998 August 9, 2013 377 You say: "Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan." I say: The FBI has continued to get much about this case wrong and that is why it has not solved it after 40 years. What ever the FBI thinks is good DB DNA would be a combination of errors in how and what they took. The four letter DNA if a match to Sheridan would give them the leverage to get the real story out of Sheridan with a threat of jail time for the remainder of his life (lie to FBI being a Federal case). The case is so close to being solved with just a simple/inexpensive DNA test of the stamps/envelope flaps. How can the FBI pass up this evidence? Bob Sailshaw sailshaw@aol.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #41999 August 9, 2013 I agree that its worth a try to analyse the envelope DNA and compare it to Sheridans. I'm just trying to explain why the FBI disagrees. As far as they are concerned Sheridan has been ruled out. I doubt if they can be moved from that position. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #42000 August 9, 2013 377I agree that its worth a try to analyse the envelope DNA and compare it to Sheridans. I'm just trying to explain why the FBI disagrees. As far as they are concerned Sheridan has been ruled out. I doubt if they can be moved from that position. 377 Hasn't the FBI ruled out all the "Suspects" presented in this thread, based on the actual physical evidence? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1675 1676 1677 1678 1679 1680 1681 1682 1683 1684 1685 Next Page 1680 of 2586 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 51 51
mrshutter45 21 #41997 August 9, 2013 I'm glad to see the Washington State History Museum is not accepting anything from known suspects. that's the way it should be. some people are doing it for the advertising. the exhibit is about DB Cooper, not Cooper wannabee's or people trying to saturate the public with circumstantial evidence."It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sailshaw 0 #41998 August 9, 2013 377 You say: "Sailshaw, even if envelope DNA shows Sheridan was lying about being in Nepal during the skyjack, the FBI has ruled him out by comparing his DNA to what they believe is Coopers DNA. They seem very sure they have Coopers DNA. Not a perfect complete sample but enough to rule out suspects. The way I see it is that the FBI doesn't care if Sheridans alibi is real or fake. His DNA doesn't match Cooper's which for them conclusively rules out Sheridan." I say: The FBI has continued to get much about this case wrong and that is why it has not solved it after 40 years. What ever the FBI thinks is good DB DNA would be a combination of errors in how and what they took. The four letter DNA if a match to Sheridan would give them the leverage to get the real story out of Sheridan with a threat of jail time for the remainder of his life (lie to FBI being a Federal case). The case is so close to being solved with just a simple/inexpensive DNA test of the stamps/envelope flaps. How can the FBI pass up this evidence? Bob Sailshaw sailshaw@aol.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #41999 August 9, 2013 I agree that its worth a try to analyse the envelope DNA and compare it to Sheridans. I'm just trying to explain why the FBI disagrees. As far as they are concerned Sheridan has been ruled out. I doubt if they can be moved from that position. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #42000 August 9, 2013 377I agree that its worth a try to analyse the envelope DNA and compare it to Sheridans. I'm just trying to explain why the FBI disagrees. As far as they are concerned Sheridan has been ruled out. I doubt if they can be moved from that position. 377 Hasn't the FBI ruled out all the "Suspects" presented in this thread, based on the actual physical evidence? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
