DB Cooper

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CCharger

This is from the website of the EPA...

"Diseases of the lung (pleural diseases) have been associated with chronic (long-term) occupational exposure of titanium tetrachloride in titanium metal production workers. Chronic inhalation exposure may result in upper respiratory tract irritation, chronic bronchitis, cough, bronchoconstriction, wheezing, chemical pneumonitis, or pulmonary edema in humans."

Clearly, we are making leaps here. But we know Coop had Benzedrine. We know Benzedrine is used to treat respiratory ailments. There is evidence that Coop worked around titanium, perhaps metal fabrication or production. Discolored fingers aside, perhaps, Coop was suffering from titanium exposure and was prescribed Benzedrine.

it's a good lead, but, keep in mind the fact we can't prove the tie was part of Cooper's daily clothing. many have mentioned that he could have got the clothing from a second hand store. it's hard to say for this time period. could Cooper have been so careful knowing the future could unlock things in a tie? doubtful. so, we are back to speculation on the clothing being his, or bought hours before he walked into the airport. I think the clothing was his and didn't take any of these factors into consideration that we now know about dozens of years later that he didn't see coming. doors were left unlocked, windows left open in those days. did anyone see that was a mistake in the 70's vs what we do today? I'm a tough cookie to sell...

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I am a big believer in Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is usually the best one. The best evidence indicates it was Coop's tie from the moment of purchase and was worn by him frequently. Can anyone PROVE that? No. But there is more evidence favoring that than favoring the idea it wasn't. Therefore, I am going to assume that was his tie and was worn by him frequently.

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mrshutter45

after reading this can we say Cooper had a health issue?

Yellow-stained fingers from smoking has been identified by the British National Health Service (NHS), as a common side-effect. Caused by toxins found in tobacco, stains are not only cosmetically unsightly, but may also indicate a more serious smoking-related health-risk.

Lung Disease
More seriously, yellow fingers could indicate lung disease, a condition known as "yellow nail syndrome." Most commonly associated with lymphedema, a genetic disorder, it has been identified by the Maryland Medical Center as a symptom of lung disorders. A report, "Tobacco Use and Skin Disease," published in the "Southern Medical Journal" in 2001, also linked "yellow nail syndrome" to malignancies caused by smoking.

so, is it a heavy smoker, or a serious health issue?

Duane WEber (Dan Cooper) was not a heavy smoker in those days. He couldn't afford the 30 cents a pack. When he could he smoked those tasteless light menthol rags. Given any other smoker he would always bum TWO cigarettes, one for now and one for later. He'd stick the second one behind his left ear and comment on he could smoke anything as long as it was free. He always bummed two. Why just ask for one? No yellow stains from smoking. He was directed to chain smoke Raleigh cigarettes, the type with the cupons, associated with hardened characters. He was NOT a Raleigh chain smoker. He was NOT a big drinker, perhaps a glass of sweet brandy, but not whiskey at that time. Not even Bourbon. Everything was made to look like something else. Nothing was for real. Anything found on that tie is another wild goose chase as the tie came from McCoy. Ask him. If you're so smart you should be able to make that call. I did it. He talked to me, so he'll probably talk to you. Just allow him the courtesy of being dead. (:o)

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CCharger

I am a big believer in Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is usually the best one. The best evidence indicates it was Coop's tie from the moment of purchase and was worn by him frequently. Can anyone PROVE that? No. But there is more evidence favoring that than favoring the idea it wasn't. Therefore, I am going to assume that was his tie and was worn by him frequently.

yep, I can live with that....I just can't buy using that much caution in that day and age.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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BobKnoss

***after reading this can we say Cooper had a health issue?

Yellow-stained fingers from smoking has been identified by the British National Health Service (NHS), as a common side-effect. Caused by toxins found in tobacco, stains are not only cosmetically unsightly, but may also indicate a more serious smoking-related health-risk.

Lung Disease
More seriously, yellow fingers could indicate lung disease, a condition known as "yellow nail syndrome." Most commonly associated with lymphedema, a genetic disorder, it has been identified by the Maryland Medical Center as a symptom of lung disorders. A report, "Tobacco Use and Skin Disease," published in the "Southern Medical Journal" in 2001, also linked "yellow nail syndrome" to malignancies caused by smoking.

so, is it a heavy smoker, or a serious health issue?

Duane WEber (Dan Cooper) was not a heavy smoker in those days. He couldn't afford the 30 cents a pack. When he could he smoked those tasteless light menthol rags. Given any other smoker he would always bum TWO cigarettes, one for now and one for later. He'd stick the second one behind his left ear and comment on he could smoke anything as long as it was free. He always bummed two. Why just ask for one? No yellow stains from smoking. He was directed to chain smoke Raleigh cigarettes, the type with the cupons, associated with hardened characters. He was NOT a Raleigh chain smoker. He was NOT a big drinker, perhaps a glass of sweet brandy, but not whiskey at that time. Not even Bourbon. Everything was made to look like something else. Nothing was for real. Anything found on that tie is another wild goose chase as the tie came from McCoy. Ask him. If you're so smart you should be able to make that call. I did it. He talked to me, so he'll probably talk to you. Just allow him the courtesy of being dead. (:o)



Bob, as usual, you have zero proof of anything you say. you have been torn apart proving deception in your statements. nothing you say can be taken seriously.....it's laughable at the least. have a nice deceptive day Bobby.....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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CCharger

This is from the website of the EPA...

"Diseases of the lung (pleural diseases) have been associated with chronic (long-term) occupational exposure of titanium tetrachloride in titanium metal production workers. Chronic inhalation exposure may result in upper respiratory tract irritation, chronic bronchitis, cough, bronchoconstriction, wheezing, chemical pneumonitis, or pulmonary edema in humans."

Clearly, we are making leaps here. But we know Coop had Benzedrine. We know Benzedrine is used to treat respiratory ailments. There is evidence that Coop worked around titanium, perhaps metal fabrication or production. Discolored fingers aside, perhaps, Coop was suffering from titanium exposure and was prescribed Benzedrine.

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Cooper is supposed to have said he had a grudge. If he worked
in the weapons or aircraft industry (or special metals industry
which supplies government related projects), a chronic health
condition might have been his grudge. Maybe he had been
diagnosed with cancer ? This was the era of personal-political
expression of an extreme form. (Maybe he was from Madison
Wisconsin!)

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CCharger

I am a big believer in Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is usually the best one. The best evidence indicates it was Coop's tie from the moment of purchase and was worn by him frequently. Can anyone PROVE that? No. But there is more evidence favoring that than favoring the idea it wasn't. Therefore, I am going to assume that was his tie and was worn by him frequently.

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When unique events are coterminous they quite aften are
related. Unique tie ~ unique tie cocktail ~ hijacking ~ found on
the hijacker's seat (all in the same time frame). Its sort of like,
a meteor strike. Maybe he left a calling card to identify 'the
guy with the grudge who now has $200k of their money'. He
didn't make any effort to hide his finger prints, his saliva
on the butts & glass, etc etc. And he plans to travel on foot
after landing to somewhere. Even the amount of money he
demanded is reasonable. This is a guy who is acting out of
purpose. He has reasons and a personal history.

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"Bob, as usual, you have zero proof of anything you say. you have been torn apart proving deception in your statements. nothing you say can be taken seriously.....it's laughable at the least. have a nice deceptive day Bob"

You have torn nothing apart. You have only whitewashed the truth, adding your own perspective to the story. Rewriting history in your words does not change facts, it only distracts from the real facts which remain forever. I tell what actually happened, you merely guess. I can tell you with certainty that you are almost always guessing wrong. To me, that indicates a pied piper with a directive. It is amazing how much a little knowledge can help in knowing truth from fiction. You should be ashamed of yourself. Not only a fabricator but also what Mac says.

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On the left side of the aircraft, directly behind the last row of seats which were opposite Cooper and directly across the aisle from the lavatory, was a flight attendant work station which included an "interphone". The flight attendants could make announcements over the cabin public address system and talk directly to the cockpit crew using that interphone.

From my understanding, the interphone was not used and all communications between cockpit and cooper were through hand delivered notes sent via stewardess. Is this true?

Here is a throwback video. Walter Cronkite in a 1972 special
called "Whatever Happened to 72?" It's about the security
measures taken (metal detectors and such) due to the rash of hijackings.
Even with all the security measure a guy with a big metal case
(CBS employee undercover) got on the plane without the case
being searched or xrayed.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50136199n

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From my understanding, the interphone was not used and all communications between cockpit and cooper were through hand delivered notes sent via stewardess. Is this true?

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Not true. Read the Transcript. Tina relayed messages for him via
the interphone - on at least one ocassion he used the
interphone himself.

Would the crew recognise his voice if they heard it again? Yes.
There may even be a recording(s) of his voice!

He didn't hide his voice!

There is one old rumor that Himmelsbach listened to a recording
of Cooper, other agents also, and this is the basis for H saying
Cooper 'used filthy language and was profane'. Tosaw asked
about this rumor but apparently could not get it confirmed ...
there is no mention of it in his book!

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BobKnoss

***after reading this can we say Cooper had a health issue?

Yellow-stained fingers from smoking has been identified by the British National Health Service (NHS), as a common side-effect. Caused by toxins found in tobacco, stains are not only cosmetically unsightly, but may also indicate a more serious smoking-related health-risk.

Lung Disease
More seriously, yellow fingers could indicate lung disease, a condition known as "yellow nail syndrome." Most commonly associated with lymphedema, a genetic disorder, it has been identified by the Maryland Medical Center as a symptom of lung disorders. A report, "Tobacco Use and Skin Disease," published in the "Southern Medical Journal" in 2001, also linked "yellow nail syndrome" to malignancies caused by smoking.

so, is it a heavy smoker, or a serious health issue?

Duane WEber (Dan Cooper) was not a heavy smoker in those days. He couldn't afford the 30 cents a pack. When he could he smoked those tasteless light menthol rags. Given any other smoker he would always bum TWO cigarettes, one for now and one for later. He'd stick the second one behind his left ear and comment on he could smoke anything as long as it was free. He always bummed two. Why just ask for one? No yellow stains from smoking. He was directed to chain smoke Raleigh cigarettes, the type with the cupons, associated with hardened characters. He was NOT a Raleigh chain smoker. He was NOT a big drinker, perhaps a glass of sweet brandy, but not whiskey at that time. Not even Bourbon. Everything was made to look like something else. Nothing was for real. Anything found on that tie is another wild goose chase as the tie came from McCoy. Ask him. If you're so smart you should be able to make that call. I did it. He talked to me, so he'll probably talk to you. Just allow him the courtesy of being dead. (:o)


Two crazies....one cup???

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BobKnoss

"Bob, as usual, you have zero proof of anything you say. you have been torn apart proving deception in your statements. nothing you say can be taken seriously.....it's laughable at the least. have a nice deceptive day Bob"

You have torn nothing apart. You have only whitewashed the truth, adding your own perspective to the story. Rewriting history in your words does not change facts, it only distracts from the real facts which remain forever. I tell what actually happened, you merely guess. I can tell you with certainty that you are almost always guessing wrong. To me, that indicates a pied piper with a directive. It is amazing how much a little knowledge can help in knowing truth from fiction. You should be ashamed of yourself. Not only a fabricator but also what Mac says.

Bob, your in another world and you know it. nobody believes a single typed word from you, period. you come back with insults vs proof. perhaps you could do better portraying Burl Ives.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Absolutely. I think the most interesting thing Coop said was, "I don't have a grudge against your airline, miss. I just have a grudge."

A grudge against whom? Against what? He is motivated by something beyond money. That is why DB Cooper appeals to me and so many others. He wasn't just a common criminal. He was an Uncommon criminal.

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CCharger

Absolutely. I think the most interesting thing Coop said was, "I don't have a grudge against your airline, miss. I just have a grudge."

A grudge against whom? Against what? He is motivated by something beyond money. That is why DB Cooper appeals to me and so many others. He wasn't just a common criminal. He was an Uncommon criminal.

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Some people would argue there is no such thing as an
'uncommon criminal'. I harken back to the Vietnam protest days.
Having a political agenda was a common excuse. Recall the SDS.
(The animal rights people today? Really any extremist group who
will resort to violence).

I think Cooper had an agenda just like a lot of people back then
had. It was personal and not just theatre. He was out to make a
personal point. His "point" connects somewhere in the world.

Maybe a journalism photo instructor named __________ who
liked theatre and used to parachute in to deliver his tests, each
semester whose wife was a strong supporter of the SDS ?
The tie cocktail wouldn't tie to him, however ?

I think Cooper was somebody with a real life, somewhere.

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One thing I am curious about.

The amount of $200,000. Does this haven any significance? Why not $250,000 or $500,000? How far would this have gone back then?

Also, the money find on Tena Bar. There is severe erosion there. Is it possible it was buried near the shore and natural erosion or flooding would have washed it into the river?

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smokin99

*********This is Paul Geivett, I am not a skydiver, or a pilot. I will always fall short on technical questions on these matters. I solved this case on the ground, not in the sky. No descriptions or vague memories, nor discrepancy of 1-2 inches, nor any description of color of clothing, nor the seat he sat in. This case has to be solved on forensics period.

Handwriting, DNA on and under stamps or envelope flaps. There are handwriting experts by the thousands that would love to have their name on this case for the pages of history and hands of time. The tickets of all the passengers should be and should have been collected that night... the ticket agent did NOT write the Van 9 letter, nor fill out the envelope to the Oregonian/Playboy letter.... nor fill out a 1958 flight log that seems to have Kenny Christiansens name on it. Nor did he fill out everything Kenny Christiansen wrote since he was in Kindergarten.

Have any of you looked at the ticket agents job application? and possibly the 200-500 tickets he wrote out that night? Or the stack of writing Kenneth sent home from the Military... or the fact he quit writing home after the Highjacking?

Welcome aboard, btw.

I don't know...I'm no handwriting expert, for sure, but, going with the premise that the hijacker filled out the ticket rather than the ticket agent, I briefly looked at DAN vs VAN without magnification and I'm just not seeing the likeness at first glance. Slants, size, rounding looks different to me. Hopefully you will go into more detail.
You are not comparing Dan to Van on the envelope, remove the word Vancouver from the letter. Remove the V from Vancouver. Remove the U and the V. Using the d from the end of the word enjoyed and the op from the word cop. Slide the er back on. Now you have a mirror image of Dan Cooper as seen on TICKET

Here's what I see - with the caveat that I have a horrible copy of the letter. I really need a magnifier. I'll give you that one D, but not necessarily the others. All of the C's look more angular than the rounded C of the ticket. Almost all of the R's on the letter have a closed loop, as opposed to the ticket. I still say the A's on the letter slant more towards the left. The N's look pretty close. The O's - its hard to say because of the quality but it looks like they start in different places (heavy vs light stroke).

Finally the actual word Cooper doesn't match, to me. If there's no way he will be caught, as he alleges in one of the letters, and he feels frisky enough to take the risk to write a letter, why would he disguise the word Cooper? Seems like overkill to me.

Not saying your wrong - just that I'm not seeing a mirror image. And again, I'm no handwriting expert.


Still wondering about the ticket agent's handwriting samples - have you compared the ticket to other tickets he wrote?

And have the envelopes/letters been tested for DNA that you know of? Any results?

I agree with you, the N on the envelope slants and has a rounded "swoosh" at the end. The original FBI agent who examined this, noted the N on the envelope (was different). We agree on that, and the ticket was written in 71. The Van 9 letter was written in 74 (note Postmark in center of letter) This is how I verified the date. Keep in mind BOTH were penned 4 years apart.

Please make a special note of the slanted N as it is critical in the solving of this case

First Jump name on ticket: Dan Cooper

Second jump name on ticket: Jim Johnson (or J.Johnson)

There is a connection to these two names

By looking simply at the Canadian letter itself, note that all the letters are capitol, however the first letter in every word is larger than the rest the o are the smallest letter in every word.

All the e are the same, p the same. If van couver were two words, the c would been larger. Look at all the n and a pattern starts to emerge. The a & n (off ticket) would naturally fit in any where and not be out of place.

EXAMPLE: write your own name down 10 times fast and you will see a pattern starts to emerge.. that is the same pattern you are looking for this is how its done in court.

Remember the letter is about Cooper and the ticket was Dan Coopers...what are the odds of the d being the same? And matching the envelope to the Oregonian (71playboy letter) AND matching '58 flight log? Curtis Eng told me he would not bet against me after I met with him on 6 17 2013

The DNA under the stamps, under the glue on the envelope flap of ALL the letters can be tested against living family members of Suspect #6 (not against an old tie that was been contaminated w/ fingerprint dust etc) or the cigarette butts

BTW Curtis told me that the DNA on the envelopes/stamps COULD be compared to living relatives (Brother)

What I have shared is only a portion of the evidence I have on KC AKA Suspect #6

DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film

Written by Paul Geivett

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CCharger

One thing I am curious about.

The amount of $200,000. Does this haven any significance? Why not $250,000 or $500,000? How far would this have gone back then?

Also, the money find on Tena Bar. There is severe erosion there. Is it possible it was buried near the shore and natural erosion or flooding would have washed it into the river?

The amount of the money does not have any known significance beyond the fact that it was/is a lot of money and his means of attaching it to his person/parachute were somewhat limited. That amount of money would be equivalent to about one million dollars today.

In my personal opinion, the work done by Tom Kaye and reported on his web page eliminates the possibility of the money coming down the Columbia River from any distance greater than a few hundred feet.

Again in my personal opinion, Cooper was probably on the ground and dead less than a minute after separating from the aft stairs of the aircraft. He probably impacted on solid ground very near where the money was found.

Also in my opinion, the money was in the process of moving INTO the Columbia River for the first time when it hung up in the sand. It was then exposed to flowing water, maybe from the Fazio property, for a sufficient time to accomplish the "torqueing" of one of the packets of bills as shown in Tom Kaye's analysis which is on his web page.

In due time, sand covered the money and the Ingram's came along and found it.

The money find location was several feet higher vertically in 1980 than what is now listed as the find location. Also, depending on the available information and GPS accuracy, the location could be off by 20 feet or more horizontally along the river's shore line. And maybe into the water itself as it now exists. But it wouldn't back up the steep slope on the Fazio property.

Robert99

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Robert99

***One thing I am curious about.

The amount of $200,000. Does this haven any significance? Why not $250,000 or $500,000? How far would this have gone back then?

Also, the money find on Tena Bar. There is severe erosion there. Is it possible it was buried near the shore and natural erosion or flooding would have washed it into the river?

The amount of the money does not have any known significance beyond the fact that it was/is a lot of money and his means of attaching it to his person/parachute were somewhat limited. That amount of money would be equivalent to about one million dollars today.

In my personal opinion, the work done by Tom Kaye and reported on his web page eliminates the possibility of the money coming down the Columbia River from any distance greater than a few hundred feet.

Again in my personal opinion, Cooper was probably on the ground and dead less than a minute after separating from the aft stairs of the aircraft. He probably impacted on solid ground very near where the money was found.

Also in my opinion, the money was in the process of moving INTO the Columbia River for the first time when it hung up in the sand. It was then exposed to flowing water, maybe from the Fazio property, for a sufficient time to accomplish the "torqueing" of one of the packets of bills as shown in Tom Kaye's analysis which is on his web page.

In due time, sand covered the money and the Ingram's came along and found it.

The money find location was several feet higher vertically in 1980 than what is now listed as the find location. Also, depending on the available information and GPS accuracy, the location could be off by 20 feet or more horizontally along the river's shore line. And maybe into the water itself as it now exists. But it wouldn't back up the steep slope on the Fazio property.

Robert99
Awesome info. Thanks.

However, in order for your theory to prove true, Coop must have splattered somewhere near Tena Bar. Do you disregard the accepted Vector 23 flight path? Also, how do you explain a mangled corpse attached to a billowing parachute and $200K not being discovered almost immediately on that part of the river?

Not attacking, mind you, I am just curious how you come about your thoughts.

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Read the Transcript. Tina relayed messages for him via
the interphone - on at least one ocassion he used the
interphone himself.

I looked over the transcript. It's kind of difficult to get the full context of communicaiton on the ground in Seattle when there are no timestamps.

Would be nice to have the interphone communications more clearly defined within the context of the Pilot and Ground Control communication transcripts as well.

Like... was the Pilot on the interphone and relaying demands to Ground Control. Or did the pilot take notes from the interphone conversations then talked to Ground control.

It seems most definite Cooper was using the interphone when he was about to jump, after Tina had been sent upfront.

I wonder if they got any good prints from the Interphone. He was the last to use it. Maybe he had gloves on?....I guess only The FBI knows.

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I know. I pointed the same thing out years ago however there
were exceptions. Lots of exceptions. There were guys who saw
action in WWII, Korea, and Nam who definmately were in their
late 40s or early to mid 50s by Nam. I could name a bunch of
them ...

I want his dna whoever he was.

Who knows! Maybe he ran a surplus store somewhere...

Well, in 1962 a certain operation had several men who where in their late 30's who in 1971 would be in their late 40's. Why don't you check out the KNOWN participants with Intermountain Operations in the mid 1960's. How old do you think Paperlegs Peterson was in 1962 and in 1971. He recruited individual he had met in the N.W. and he also recruited a few ex-cons - perhaps unknowingly, but I think he knew who 3 of them were and they were NOT squeaky clean.

Paperlegs had a wife who was with him near "In Plane Site" and some of the others has women visit them. Because In PLANE Site was so isolated they got to have a guests at a little place about 15/25 miles from the site...never disclosing what they were doing there. Supposedly it was a grave yard for planes of source - but, there WAS more that went on there. It was a location NO ONE would question planes going in and out of. Great location to conduct a secret missions out of!

HOW DO I KNOW THIS!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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CCharger

******One thing I am curious about.

The amount of $200,000. Does this haven any significance? Why not $250,000 or $500,000? How far would this have gone back then?

Also, the money find on Tena Bar. There is severe erosion there. Is it possible it was buried near the shore and natural erosion or flooding would have washed it into the river?

The amount of the money does not have any known significance beyond the fact that it was/is a lot of money and his means of attaching it to his person/parachute were somewhat limited. That amount of money would be equivalent to about one million dollars today.

In my personal opinion, the work done by Tom Kaye and reported on his web page eliminates the possibility of the money coming down the Columbia River from any distance greater than a few hundred feet.

Again in my personal opinion, Cooper was probably on the ground and dead less than a minute after separating from the aft stairs of the aircraft. He probably impacted on solid ground very near where the money was found.

Also in my opinion, the money was in the process of moving INTO the Columbia River for the first time when it hung up in the sand. It was then exposed to flowing water, maybe from the Fazio property, for a sufficient time to accomplish the "torqueing" of one of the packets of bills as shown in Tom Kaye's analysis which is on his web page.

In due time, sand covered the money and the Ingram's came along and found it.

The money find location was several feet higher vertically in 1980 than what is now listed as the find location. Also, depending on the available information and GPS accuracy, the location could be off by 20 feet or more horizontally along the river's shore line. And maybe into the water itself as it now exists. But it wouldn't back up the steep slope on the Fazio property.

Robert99
Awesome info. Thanks.

However, in order for your theory to prove true, Coop must have splattered somewhere near Tena Bar. Do you disregard the accepted Vector 23 flight path? Also, how do you explain a mangled corpse attached to a billowing parachute and $200K not being discovered almost immediately on that part of the river?

Not attacking, mind you, I am just curious how you come about your thoughts.

Let me answer your last questions first. The parachute canopy would not come out of the pack unless the ripcord was pulled. Hitting the ground at 180+ MPH would not cause the parachute container to open.

The particular type parachute that Cooper used had a rather unique pilot chute. The pilot chute was compressed so that a stud in the bottom part of the pilot chute came out the top of the pilot chute and then this stud fit through an opening in both the left and right flaps of the container. The third ripcord pin (out of four) from the top of the container then fit through that stud. The end result was that if the ripcord was not pulled (or at least the third pin) then the pilot chute would remain attached to the container and the canopy, even if it came out of the pack, could not open.

Presumably, Cooper was not dumb enough to tie the briefcase (supposedly containing a bomb) to the parachute. Just tying a 22 pound bag of money to his waist or the parachute was dumb enough. It would be aerodynamically destabilizing, it is an absolute given that Cooper would tumble upon leaving the stairs, and he may have been injured in leaving the stairs.

And "it was a dark and stormy night", which means that Cooper was basically jumping into a black hole and would be unable to stabilize himself even if he had a reasonable amount of skydiving experience, and there is no indication that he did. Cooper could have been on the ground in as little as 40 seconds and not more than 60 seconds if he didn't pull the ripcord.

If this was his first actual jump, and there are indications that it was, he may well not have realized how short 40 seconds can be. Added to the other stresses he was under, it may well be that Cooper could not find the ripcord in the darkness or just simply forgot to pull it. In addition, there are some reports that the ripcord on this particular parachute had been modified in some unknown manner (no one has been able to pin this down exactly) that made it even more difficult to pull.

In any event, Cooper could have impacted on solid ground in the vicinity of Tena Bar, and depending on a number of things, he might not have been visible due to landing in brush, weeds, etc.. And I think the ground at Tena Bar was covered with snow within a day or so of the jump.

No one was looking for Cooper at Tena Bar because the FBI and everyone else was looking for him about 20 or 30 miles away. That was, and continues to be, the "official" jump area.

When Tena Bar came into the picture in 1980 with the discovery of some of the money the, reportedly Captain Scott was "leaned on" to make a statement that the airliner had drifted to the east by quite a distance while still north of Portland. This was to support the Washougal wash down theory. Scott did make such a statement but there is no way on God's green earth that the airliner, with all of its navigational equipment, could have done that without Scott knowing it in 1971, and he apparently didn't.

In regards to the V-23 claimed flight path, this has been discussed at great length on this thread and I personally do not buy it for a great number of reasons. Here are a few of them:

1. The flight crew would not fly over Portland/Vancouver with a bomb on board.

2. The segmented flight path around the west side of Portland on the FBI maps is absurd. No pilot would fly that under these circumstances.

3. The time hacks on the FBI maps simply don't check out. The airliner had a constant ground speed in that area of slightly more than three nautical miles per minute. Some of those times indicate that the airliner flew three nautical miles in one minute while the adjacent time hack indicates that it flew six nautical miles in one minute. This is simply not realistic.

4. There are four "x" marks on the south/southwest side of Portland on those maps that indicate that the airliner flew directly from the Mayfield (now Malay) Intersection direct to the Canby Intersection (which is south of Portland) on V-23. In a direct flight straight from Mayfield to Canby, the airliner would have passed directly over or about 1000 feet to the west of Tena Bar.

5. Finally, the radio transcripts between the airliner and the Seattle Air Traffic Control Center have been "sanitized" to such an extent that the location of the airliner can not be determined accurately after it was about 20 nautical miles south of the Seattle airport until it was being handed off to the Oakland Air Traffic Control Center just North of the Fort Jones VORTAC in northern California. If you want to see the kind of information that should be in the Seattle ATC radio transcripts, then read the Oakland ATC radio transcripts.

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In reference to contamination of lycopodium by FBI latex gloves...the lycopodium was present along with titanium dioxide, silicates and alumina. This combination is only present in pill coatings. We know Benzedrine pills were coated in lycopodium powder in 1971. We know Coop had Benezedrine on him. Is it safe to conclude Coop was a routine user of Benezedrine?

We DO NOT know Cooper had BENEZEDRINE on him. We think from a comment made to the stewardess that he has SOMETHING to help keep himself and possibly the crew alert. YOU CANNOT name a DRUG and expect it to be THAT DRUGThere were other things we used in 1971 to stay awake for tests or to keep us alert if we were pushing to make a destination by car or plane in the wee hours of the morning.

YOU CAN not prove what drug he had on him! So for you to DECLARE it was a prescription drug - is making a declaration that ONLY Cooper could have known! You have no profile and your handle is self explanatory - who put YOU in CHARGE and You DO NOT KNOW what Cooper had on him!

This attitude of yours to make statements that are decision making statements - makes you a writer, FBI or someone only on the thread to create a rumor and/or declare your statement as fact! These guys here have a mind and they can see through individuals who come here to scams the readers into taking false info as fact.

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I think, and I could be wrong, that a lot of the military or covert ops type people that have been cited as possible contenders, (folks such as Peterson, Burnworth, Braden) were more your professional military / maybe even soldier of fortune types that were older (on the average) then your Vietnam era paratrooper. But I would have to do some re-digging to verify that statement.

Dead on with that Statement: I have the research to prove it! I did all of that yrs ago - Intermountain Communication use a lot of these guys!

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In reference to contamination of lycopodium by FBI latex gloves...the lycopodium was present along with titanium dioxide, silicates and alumina. This combination is only present in pill coatings. We know Benzedrine pills were coated in lycopodium powder in 1971. We know Coop had Benezedrine on him. Is it safe to conclude Coop was a routine user of Benezedrine?

NO, it is not SAFE to conlude a specific drug was used!

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I agree that the tie probably will not, in and of itself, lead to IDing Coop. However, I think it can be very valuable in providing clues that, when placed in context and paired with other facts, may point to or eliminate certain people.

Also, in reference to contamination, that particular brand was only available for the 12 months prior to the crime. It bore signatures of use by a heavy chain smoker which we know Coop was. All signs point to the most likely scenario being that it was Coop's tie.

WE do NOT KNOW if Cooper was a HEAVY smoker. I do NOT remember reading a statement his fingers were yellowed from smoking. Maybe he had airplane glue on his finger tips and why the prints are not viable to identify Cooper!

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