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You are in luck. Ckret, the FBI agent, sent all available weather information to this thread. Unfortunately, I don't have the number of the posts that included that information. However, I do have the print outs. Perhaps a member of the thread can pinpoint Ckret's posts about the weather.

The weather information includes the hourly sequence reports, the wind aloft forecasts, etc., etc.. Additional weather information is available from such online sources as Weather Underground.

Basically, the winds at 10,000 feet in the Portland area were from the southwest at about 25-30 knots. The surface (ground) winds at Portland International Airport, which is 30 feet above sea level, were from the south to southwest at approximately 10 knots. There were several cloud layers with an overcast reported at 5000 feet. Visibility at Portland was about 10 miles and there were light rain showers in the area.

Himmelsbach's book states that the airliner was at 10,000 feet and in heavy rain at the time Cooper jumped. Recently, Rataczak (the co-pilot and only living member of the cockpit crew) said that they were in freezing rain at 10,000 feet. Since the ambient temperature at 10,000 feet was well below freezing, Rataczak's statement begs the question of why it was "rain" rather than "snow", which would seem more likely under the circumstances. But there is nothing in the weather records of any clouds above 5000 feet.

Hominid did a comprehensive analysis of the entire weather picture for the time of the hijacking. His work can be considered as the gold standard for the overall weather picture.

There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate that the winds in the Columbia Gorge that evening were from the east. Locations on the eastern end of the Gorge were reporting winds of about 10 knots from the west. I recently made two drives through that entire Gorge to get a first hand look at it. In my opinion, the Gorge did not have any influence on the Portland weather at time of the hijacking. And it would probably have only minimal influence on the Portland weather even with the winds blowing from the east.

Overall, in my opinion, the weather was not of any particular significance during the hijacking.

Robert99

Again, thanks.

I disagree, however, with your comment that the weather was not important. Wind direction would certainly influence where Cooper landed (if his chute deployed). I was wondering if perhaps the easterly winds from the gorge might somehow have floated Coop to the west towards Tena Bar rather than to the north and east as most of the favorite Coop DZs are.

On the night of the hijacking, the winds aloft in the Portland area were from the southwest and the winds through the Gorge were blowing from the west to the east at about 10 knots at ground level, based on the weather reported on the eastern end of the Gorge.

If Cooper had opened his parachute at 10,000 feet, he would have had about 5 to 10 minutes of descent time before he hit the ground and would have been blown a few miles in a northeast direction. This time depends on his rate of descent, which would certainly have been more than 1000 feet per minute, and the height of the terrain in which he landed. The distance covered would be caused by about a 15 knot average wind blowing him northeast during his descent. The placard from the airliner was found at about 1500 feet elevation according to Tom Kaye.

If Cooper did a free fall from 10,000 feet to the ground in the Tena Bar area, he would have only been blown about 1000 feet to the northeast and he would probably not have travelled more than 1500 feet forward along the aircraft track from the point of separation from the aircraft.

Robert99

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The weather information that I am referring to was actual reproductions of the FAA and National Weather Service teletype reports. It apparently was from the FBI files and was attached to posts by Ckret and maybe others at a later date.

Anyway, it covered the entire northwest part of the country and represented everything that was available to aviators that evening.

And again, the weather was basically just another northwest fall evening. There was nothing in the information to support the "storm" claims and the weather was something that the airliner could easily handle.

It was just another cloudy/light rainy night at the office.

Robert99

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I will not speak ill of the dead, but Earl Cossey doesn't strike me as reliable at all. I think his long assertion that he packed the chutes and is the FBI's expert on all things Coop is crap.

There was the Amboy chute back in 2008. FBI dismissed it as Coop's on Cossey's word alone. WHAT IF COSSEY WAS WRONG? What if he lied? Or what if he didn't know at all and just pretended he did?

Where is that Amboy chute now I wonder? Buried in a landfill?

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Visibility at Portland was about 10 miles and there were light rain showers in the area.....

Himmelsbach's book states that the airliner was at 10,000 feet and in heavy rain at the time Cooper jumped. Recently, Rataczak (the co-pilot and only living member of the cockpit crew) said that they were in freezing rain at 10,000 feet. Since the ambient temperature at 10,000 feet was well below freezing, Rataczak's statement begs the question of why it was "rain" rather than "snow", which would seem more likely under the circumstances. But there is nothing in the weather records of any clouds above 5000 feet.....

McCoy made these comments: The light rain was heavy enough to make visibilty akin to a snow storm when they fired off the flares, thinking it would aide in seeing Cooper's chute or help Duane see below. In fact, all it did was to blind them. They saw nothing, not even the 727 and they were close, but not able to keep up. The jets couldn't go slow enough, so there was no way to monitor by flight. "Janet" did see the flares and the location of the airplane and reported it to the FBI who contacted McCoy, who made a trip to see Janet and made a vulgar warning for her to say nothing. So, Janet is a key witness and a keeper of the truth. Find Janet and you have the real flightpath.

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I will not speak ill of the dead, but Earl Cossey doesn't strike me as reliable at all. I think his long assertion that he packed the chutes and is the FBI's expert on all things Coop is crap.

There was the Amboy chute back in 2008. FBI dismissed it as Coop's on Cossey's word alone. WHAT IF COSSEY WAS WRONG? What if he lied? Or what if he didn't know at all and just pretended he did?




Where is that Amboy chute now I wonder? Buried in a landfill?

I can't confirm this, but, Paul Geviett believes the Amboy chute was put there by the kids. they bought it at a surplus store and buried it. there is a little logic to this. they are claiming it was a cargo chute, correct? 33 feet in diameter with the lines cut. I found one online (Ebay) couple months back, I asked him what uncut meant in his headline about the chute.

here is his reply.

Hello, thanks for your question -- I believe the material is a silk like nylon material, the standard type for parachutes, stronger than silk and reinforced in the weave. A large military parachute with uncut lines is hard to find-- all surplus type parachutes have the cords cut prior to resale, this is a safety measure to make sure no one uses it for jumping etc., which is especially important for human use :)
This is a cargo parachute only with uncut lines which means it could be used to drop supplies. It was used a few times by a boy scout leader, who hired a plane to drop the troops supplies at remote campsites ( I wish I could have been in that troop!). The uncut lines mean it is in perfect working condition and is very clean, orange and white.


I find it strange that this chute was out in the middle of nowhere, with the lines cut? could Paul be correct in what he stated to me?


FYI, a chain smoker lights a smoke soon after finishing the last one. zero evidence proving Cooper was a chain smoker. he would have smoked 8 in just over an hours time. probably a full pack in the 5 hour period.

The hijacker could not have arranged for help on the ground or hidden a vehicle in the woods to escape in, as some Cooper sleuths have speculated, because he had no idea where he was when he jumped and apparently didn't care. He was also probably not a chain smoker or heavy bourbon drinker, two other popular staples of Cooper case lore.

These have been some of the FBI's working assumptions for years. But this was a case of air piracy, not bank robbery, so the bureau largely kept them to itself. For all the public knew, D.B. Cooper was still probably a chain-smoking ex-paratrooper who was smart enough to plan and execute what may have been the perfect crime.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/oregonianextra/2007/12/an_fbi_agent_parachutes_into_t.html

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter4,

Thanks for that insight.

Again, I think we delve into semantics when we talk about smoker, heavy smoker, or chain smoker. Perhaps, he wasn't a "chain smoker", but he certainly smoked a lot even relative to a time where smoking was far more popular and accepted.

Also, I respectfully disagree with your assumption about him not knowing where he was going to jump. I think he knew precisely where he was jumping. Moreover, I think he was familiar with the area he was jumping into. The hijacking began in the Portland-Vancouver area and for all intents and purposes that is where it end. My feeling is Coop drove a short distance to the airport from his home and jumped into an area a short distance from his home. I just don't see Coop who had everything else so meticulously planned leap from a plane into an unknown location. You really think he would go through all that trouble just to leave it to chance where he would land? I don't.

Here is a question specifically for any of you who lived in the Por-Van area in 1971. Where were the local JC Penneys? A quick search reveals 2 store locations in Vancouver and 2 in Portland, but all four were built AFTER 1971.

So where was the closest Penneys in the Por-Van area in 1971?

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I will not speak ill of the dead, but Earl Cossey doesn't strike me as reliable at all. I think his long assertion that he packed the chutes and is the FBI's expert on all things Coop is crap.

There was the Amboy chute back in 2008. FBI dismissed it as Coop's on Cossey's word alone. WHAT IF COSSEY WAS WRONG? What if he lied? Or what if he didn't know at all and just pretended he did?

Where is that Amboy chute now I wonder? Buried in a landfill?

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***I will not speak ill of the dead, but Earl Cossey doesn't strike me as reliable at all. I think his long assertion that he packed the chutes and is the FBI's expert on all things Coop is crap.

There was the Amboy chute back in 2008. FBI dismissed it as Coop's on Cossey's word alone. WHAT IF COSSEY WAS WRONG? What if he lied? Or what if he didn't know at all and just pretended he did?

Where is that Amboy chute now I wonder? Buried in a landfill?

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mrshutter4,

Thanks for that insight.

Here is a question specifically for any of you who lived in the Por-Van area in 1971. Where were the local JC Penneys? A quick search reveals 2 store locations in Vancouver and 2 in Portland, but all four were built AFTER 1971.

So where was the closest Penneys in the Por-Van area in 1971?

this would be with the assumption Cooper lived in this area correct? keep in mind the tie appears to have been used prior to this crime. Tie Tac holes are present in the tie prior to having the tie clip on it. how do we know he didn't fly into Portland under another name, or take a bus, hitchhike lol who knows......can we really assume he was from Portland/Vancouver? or do you have a different angle?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter4,

Thanks for that insight.

Again, I think we delve into semantics when we talk about smoker, heavy smoker, or chain smoker. Perhaps, he wasn't a "chain smoker", but he certainly smoked a lot even relative to a time where smoking was far more popular and accepted.

Also, I respectfully disagree with your assumption about him not knowing where he was going to jump. I think he knew precisely where he was jumping. Moreover, I think he was familiar with the area he was jumping into. The hijacking began in the Portland-Vancouver area and for all intents and purposes that is where it end. My feeling is Coop drove a short distance to the airport from his home and jumped into an area a short distance from his home. I just don't see Coop who had everything else so meticulously planned leap from a plane into an unknown location. You really think he would go through all that trouble just to leave it to chance where he would land? I don't.

Here is a question specifically for any of you who lived in the Por-Van area in 1971. Where were the local JC Penneys? A quick search reveals 2 store locations in Vancouver and 2 in Portland, but all four were built AFTER 1971.

So where was the closest Penneys in the Por-Van area in 1971?

the bottom portion of my post was from the link provided. wasn't really about where he jumped. I was showing the parts where they no longer believe he was a chain smoker. I still think it's possible he was nervous causing him to smoke more than usual. it's really hard to just say he was a heavy smoker based on the time frame. the only way to judge this would be under normal conditions. this guy was threatening to blow up a plane. it's extremely fair to say he was nervous. anyway, the jumping part is another story in itself. I have another theory about that.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

***mrshutter4,

Thanks for that insight.

Here is a question specifically for any of you who lived in the Por-Van area in 1971. Where were the local JC Penneys? A quick search reveals 2 store locations in Vancouver and 2 in Portland, but all four were built AFTER 1971.

So where was the closest Penneys in the Por-Van area in 1971?

this would be with the assumption Cooper lived in this area correct? keep in mind the tie appears to have been used prior to this crime. Tie Tac holes are present in the tie prior to having the tie clip on it. how do we know he didn't fly into Portland under another name, or take a bus, hitchhike lol who knows......can we really assume he was from Portland/Vancouver? or do you have a different angle?

What do you mean the Tie Tac holes are present prior to having the tie clip on it? You lost me.

Here is my line of thinking...the crime began and ended in the Portland-Vancouver area. I think that is more than coincidence. I also don't think Coop bails out just anywhere. Too much chance for a man who appears to be meticulous about details IMO. He is going to jump into a location he is familiar with. Because of this I suspect he lived in the Por-Van area. Suspect, mind you. I have no proof or solid evidence.

If this is so, it might be helpful to know the locations of JC Penney stores in the area. I know it could have been ordered via catalog, but...

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******mrshutter4,

Thanks for that insight.

Here is a question specifically for any of you who lived in the Por-Van area in 1971. Where were the local JC Penneys? A quick search reveals 2 store locations in Vancouver and 2 in Portland, but all four were built AFTER 1971.

So where was the closest Penneys in the Por-Van area in 1971?

this would be with the assumption Cooper lived in this area correct? keep in mind the tie appears to have been used prior to this crime. Tie Tac holes are present in the tie prior to having the tie clip on it. how do we know he didn't fly into Portland under another name, or take a bus, hitchhike lol who knows......can we really assume he was from Portland/Vancouver? or do you have a different angle?

What do you mean the Tie Tac holes are present prior to having the tie clip on it? You lost me.

Here is my line of thinking...the crime began and ended in the Portland-Vancouver area. I think that is more than coincidence. I also don't think Coop bails out just anywhere. Too much chance for a man who appears to be meticulous about details IMO. He is going to jump into a location he is familiar with. Because of this I suspect he lived in the Por-Van area. Suspect, mind you. I have no proof or solid evidence.

If this is so, it might be helpful to know the locations of JC Penney stores in the area. I know it could have been ordered via catalog, but...



"What do you mean the Tie Tac holes are present prior to having the tie clip on it? You lost me."

this should help you....


http://www.citizensleuths.com/tie-clip.html

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

*********mrshutter4,

Thanks for that insight.

Here is a question specifically for any of you who lived in the Por-Van area in 1971. Where were the local JC Penneys? A quick search reveals 2 store locations in Vancouver and 2 in Portland, but all four were built AFTER 1971.

So where was the closest Penneys in the Por-Van area in 1971?

this would be with the assumption Cooper lived in this area correct? keep in mind the tie appears to have been used prior to this crime. Tie Tac holes are present in the tie prior to having the tie clip on it. how do we know he didn't fly into Portland under another name, or take a bus, hitchhike lol who knows......can we really assume he was from Portland/Vancouver? or do you have a different angle?

What do you mean the Tie Tac holes are present prior to having the tie clip on it? You lost me.

Here is my line of thinking...the crime began and ended in the Portland-Vancouver area. I think that is more than coincidence. I also don't think Coop bails out just anywhere. Too much chance for a man who appears to be meticulous about details IMO. He is going to jump into a location he is familiar with. Because of this I suspect he lived in the Por-Van area. Suspect, mind you. I have no proof or solid evidence.

If this is so, it might be helpful to know the locations of JC Penney stores in the area. I know it could have been ordered via catalog, but...



"What do you mean the Tie Tac holes are present prior to having the tie clip on it? You lost me."

this should help you....

OK, but I don't think that affects my general theory on where he purchased it. That tie tac was only available at JC Penneys one year prior to the hijacking. I see what you're saying, but I fail to see how it is pertinent to anything.

http://www.citizensleuths.com/tie-clip.html

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I thought you might be implying he bought it for the jump. that's why I was telling the story of the tie tac, or extra holes being involved. kind of shows the tie was used prior to the crime....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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I tried to find the source of the tie clip. turns out it was all over the place. here is my findings on the tie clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5a_qSBqIYM

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

I tried to find the source of the tie clip. turns out it was all over the place. here is my findings on the tie clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5a_qSBqIYM

Interesting.

Did JC Penney sell the tie/clip from all four manufacturer you discovered?

Check out this link...

http://greatvintagejewelrysite.blogspot.com/2012/09/mens-vintage-cufflinks-w-tie-clasp-gold.html

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Oh there are more than a couple thread on DIZZIE DOT COM referring to that particular....uh.... subject.

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***I tried to find the source of the tie clip. turns out it was all over the place. here is my findings on the tie clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5a_qSBqIYM

Interesting.

Did JC Penney sell the tie/clip from all four manufacturer you discovered?


I couldn't link the two......I tried lots of angles on this one. they were also bought thru a manufacture, sold and then boxed under the sellers name. endless channels the clip traveled. Anson was a manufacture of jewelry, and seller. Royal might have only been a seller (Dealer) of this clip, bought thru Anson, or another large manufacturing company. Anson was one of the only ones who stamped the Anson logo on the clip. all the rest I found had no markings on them.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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CCharger

***I tried to find the source of the tie clip. turns out it was all over the place. here is my findings on the tie clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5a_qSBqIYM

Interesting.

Did JC Penney sell the tie/clip from all four manufacturer you discovered?

Check out this link...

http://greatvintagejewelrysite.blogspot.com/2012/09/mens-vintage-cufflinks-w-tie-clasp-gold.html


I went to a lot of sites like that one. none of them could ID the brand or give any marks on the item. that one is more likely the mid 60's. it has an alligator clip vs the flat clip of the 30's to the 50's.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Robert99 is using a statement for ONE FBI agent and information he obtained from JT. The story I heard was they did NOT want to disclose the expected landing area so that the public would NOT be all over it and destroying evidence.

JT kept telling me that Washougal was not where Cooper landed and then yrs later he reversed it. I have gone around the mountain with him for many yrs. If Washougal (not just the river) as JT claims was the real target then WHY did the FBI diss me when I kept talking about Lake LaCAMES?

Well JT is the one who kept saying I said this or that - and I didn't even have a DAMN map. THE ACTIVE FBI never actually talked to me about the things Duane showed me and told me in in WA in 1979. THEY listened to JT - because JT needed to redirect them - WHY do you think he was all over me until 2001 when I went to WA and came back and stood up to him.

The FBI never listened to me at all. They never heard the stories I told to Mr. J and JT.....AFTER my 2001 trip. All I had prior to that was the FALSE information JT wanted me to have and because if anyone was going to FIND Cooper it had to be JT.

WHY would such man tell me there WAS no body of Water north and to the West of Washougal? THINK! My original story centered around a body of water I thought was a River. I was ADAMANT it was NOT the COLUMBIA or the LEWIS, but JT repeated and told what HE wanted people to hear from me - it was essential to shut me up. WHY? Hell if I know.

I do NOT believe Cooper LANDED just North & West of Washougal, but it was his escape route to make a connection with another party. WHY JT has vehelmently disclaimed any knowledge of Green Mt. The one not far from Washougal - NOT the one near Ariel.

The top of the mt or hill that looked like a ghostly TREE cementary in 1979 with a wire fence and a wood gate.

It was at that point that Duane told me about the power lines intersecting near there and how they were pararell and that they intersected with the pipelines. Remember Duane told me about the pipelines and the power line and where this crossed the Columbia...near the Marina. The Marina has since be moved but I found where it used to be and you could see the old power line in 2010. All the things Duane told me were actually there...across the river is where a small airport was near an industrial area. ALL the things Duane told me and he showed me....were actually there.

Lots of changes, but I let my mind take me back to 1979 and that trip. The story he told me was all there. HOW if I was telling JT this in 1996 did he get me on the Lewis River - and then later on the Columbia.....all of that is in this thread - the horrible phone calls and the stress.....I was treated like a prisoner of WAR....and mentally and emotionally beaten.

Yes Cooper did land NORTH of the area and it is all there. The rails and the intersection of the train and then the places he told me about below there. He told me that when the power lines and pipe line had no undergrowth you could walk for mile and mile....one of those lines takes one to Green Mt. and I went over and over that in this thread - but JT kept beating me up.

WHY is he now tooting the WASHOUGAL area - he is just a little to far EAST in his thinking. I kept telling him Cooper landed above 500 or whatever those road are called East of 500. I have played with the different theories. I do KNOW Duane told me he hid something at what I now know to be basketflats behind a shed at a tower. I surmised he got there by RAIL and there was a logging rail North and East of that location. Due to sighting I had been told about - and the old Logging Bridge, I have played withe the theory about the pump cars because he mentioned them and that could have been how he to Basket flats. Since he mentioned the sign in Heisson where the train slowed down - I think that is how he got to Basket Flats.

He had 2 choices at that time. He could jump the next rail and go right back at them in Vancouver or he could head down a trail toward Camp Bonneville - he told me about every hill and knob from Heission to Bonneville. I would surmise now he stayed to the East of Bonneville because he talked about a place at the most Eastern end and then South ofsomeone he knew who had a place there.

Do you know that a road very very close to this was named Cooper Rd? Yea, I want to go back one more time - I have to go back. Now I can no longer remember the name of the little areaa, but it is in some of my earlier post - but NOT one soul heard me because it was during the time that JT was here and before he was here.

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Also, I think we can safely conclude that Coop was a heavy (chain) smoker. The two people in closest contact with him (the stewardesses) both described him as such. The other evidence I have already described in previous posts points in that direction as well. Can it be proven? No, of course not. Very little in this case can be proven. That is why it is an investigation. You take clues, try to piece them together and develop a logical, likely scenario. If more evidence is dug up that contradicts your hypothesis, you start over. You don't turn you back on the new evidence because it wrecks your own theory.

Jo States:
What I TELL is first hand knowledge of what WEBER told me - you are the one creating misnomers. The FBI has NO conclusive evidence that Cooper had a certain drug. Just that he had something to keep them awake if they needed them.

YOU are piecing things together for only one purpose - to make yourself a part of the story or to write a story.

Pick up the phone and call the FBI!
Your job is to create discord and nothing more!

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I disagree, however, with your comment that the weather was not important. Wind direction would certainly influence where Cooper landed (if his chute deployed). I was wondering if perhaps the easterly winds from the gorge might somehow have floated Coop to the west towards Tena Bar rather than to the north and east as most of the favorite Coop DZs are.

Jo States:
That one statement which I HIGHLIGHTED tell us a lot about U. This has all been discussed and you make some a really really low ball statement above which discredits ALL of the research done by anyone else other than your own egotistical statement. You are on this thread only to plant MORE false evidence. You have NOT presented ONE thing since you came here other than suppositions that do NOT fit any of the facts presented by some very intelligent men and the extensive research they have done!

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My research indicates

YOUR RESEARCH! You have not done any research! All you do is take what the thread says and you DO NOT read back to the ACTUALLY RESEARCH done by the guys. I may not agree with their deductions - but, I am not qualified to argue otherwise. YOU do NOT even use or understand the technical terms they do - YOU have done NO research! You are just trying to make yourself a part of the story or to profit from it - YOU do NOT know anything and yet you come here making a lot of SUBJECTIVE statements with NO BASIS for them.

Give these guys some respect and stop acting like you are IN CHARGE! Also know this thread would NOT be what it is today without the capabilities of the contributors to this thread who have gone far and above to prove their theories and to research facts.

Yet, you just do a cram job and discount anything other than WHAT you and you alone want to probagate.
YOU are NOT communicating with the FBI nor do you work for them. You sound like a student doing a jam job to intercept and divert hard work and yrs of investigation - ONE can only guess what your motive is!.

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I think it's safe to say that you don't have any idea how much research I have done. You know nothing about me, nor my background in this case.

Also, I totally respect the time, effort and ideas of the good people on this board. I wouldn't be here if I didn't. However, I am not going to go and read 1836 pages of this thread.

I do find it ironic that you accuse me of "discounting anything other than what you and you alone want to propagate" when you have been accused by many others on this board of the very same thing.

Lastly, I think if you look back at my recent posts you will see I have been nothing but polite, respectful of others opinions and insights, and eager to learn from the work of others while courteously offering my own opinions as well.