DB Cooper

[mrshutter45 21]

Gray said this: "Kenny trained with 11th Airborne Division, the Angels, which had been sent to the Pacific. But he never saw combat. When he was finally deployed, on August 16, 1945, his discharge papers show, the war was over. He ended up in Japan, joining the initial occupation forces".


now read this...does it match? I think it's fair to say something is wrong.

http://www.ww2-airborne.us/18corps/11abn/11_overview.html

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 247]

skyjack71

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This makes me wonder how long the money was at Tena's bar. The ever changing weather conditions and the pourous sand would cause the money to rapidly decay.

Sometimes I wonder if the Fazio's are right. Their theory is the money had not been there long and was recently deposited with the tide.

The area was a favorite fishing area and the money was found only 20 feet from the shore line to my understanding. Seems like someone would have stepped on the bundles or notice them.

OR was there in Sept of 1971 a small shed under the tree line and on the beach side of the fence and behind the Fazio house. I have asked this question multiple times and NO on seems to know. Mr. Fazio had told me on the river in 2001 there used to be a shed used to store the boating equipment ----but he did NOT state when they removed the shed.

I have NEVER been able to extract any information or pictures of the property in 1971 aand 1979. I need to see 1979 pics prior to the money find.

PLEASE no one need send arials they ARE too unreliable. The date actually taken and the date of the Arial can be too different things. I want PHYSICAL photos I can print and hold from 1971 and 1979 prior to Sept of that yr. I want to know how big that shed was. A small shed under a tree wouldn't show up anyway.

Old wooden sheds are sometime made to be portable - meaning it had wood rafting under it....

If the shed was NOT there at the time of the money find - and it was moved after Sept 1971 and if Cooper buried the money at the edge and down about a foot - just exploring here our loud. NONE of this is FACT. Would that plus the fact it was winter have something to do with the money not being found right away?


I have posted here for 7 yrs and in those 7 yrs - things are stated in different ways to reflect the prior conversations or to field ideas of my own and that of others.

I found OLD notes and PRIOR to my ever going public and the story is as I always told it. Tena's bar was forever in my story. I didn't have a clue where the things were - I just described what I saw with Duane - and I had NO MAP of the area.

This thread has been an asset and a detriment. You guys can change your wording and say what you please and make opinions. Jo Weber is not allowed to explore or work thru the trip....which is WHAT I did with the statements taken out of context. I have material that pre-dates this thread - and I always talked bought Tena's bar...I described to Himmelsbach exactly what it looked like and the fact I have bugged the hell out of the thread about Fazio stating there used to be a small shed under the tree and near the fence line - where they stored equipment (I assume boating equipment). If i was under the tree - it woud NOT show up in an arieal - not just a little wooden storage shed.

Everyone claims they will help and NO one does. NO one actually goes back and asks Fazion this question and watch his eyes and remind him about the boat storage shed and ask him to pinpoint when it was removed...before the money in 1980 find and after Sept of 1979.

Moving the storage shed probably made the exposure of money more likely from its shallow burial ground...


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total garbage and nonsense.

[georger 247]

RobertMBlevins

Shutter says in part:

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'that sounds like a response Jo would give (*laughs*) no records (actual) have been shown that KC has been a paratrooper. that's the bottom line. go ahead and take the easy way out of it. this question has been asked my times. not just by me. you would never accept the answer you just gave for this. not in a million years. did you read about the company Gray speaks of? it doesn't match. earlier I was doubtful he wasn't a paratrooper. after digging further I'm concluding it's unsupported due to lack of evidence. you are the one who claims he was a paratrooper, not me. it's your obligation to prove this as fact. not mine.

until actual proof has been shown. you can't use this as evidence. based on what you are saying. I find it difficult to even verify you talked to Lyle about this? you said that Lyle was mailing the certificate. now, do you wish to recant this allegation?

the privacy thing is ridiculous. you and the whole family are accusing him of a Federal crime. terrorism, kidnapping, extortion etc. etc.

On your last comment there, I never claimed privacy. And there is evidence on the allegations against Christiansen, as you have already seen.

Yes, I have spoken to Lyle in the last week. Yes, he has sent the death certificate. Why did I refuse to post a copy? Simple. I want to see the proof on Bruce Smith's claim that he has seen evidence that KC died of an AIDS-related disease. I want to see that first. Until that time, I have nothing to prove, and I won't. Even I can be stubborn at times, and this is one of them. That allegation really pissed me off, I will be frank. Especially after I had the certificate read to me in its entirety over the phone, and especially now that I've seen it.

Just because you haven't seen any evidence that Kenny was in the paratroops doesn't mean he wasn't. History Channel says he was. Porteous says he was. Geoff Gray concluded the same thing. You want to believe he wasn't. Fine. I don't have a problem with that. We both know that if you were REALLY that interested in disproving that claim, you or someone else who believes the same would drop the 70 bucks to find out. Me? I'm not going to pay it. Until other evidence surfaces, I will take the word of the sources I listed above. I figure between them, and the letters Kenny wrote home, a few items that were in KC's possession when he died, and other factors, I will believe he WAS. I'm accepting that at face value. If you want verification, contact Marisa Kagan down in LA, or maybe Pete Berg at Facebook, or producer Rob Blumenstein at History Channel, or email Porteous, or even Geoff Gray. Why aren't you going to one of THEM about this? It was Gray, for example, who first claimed KC was a paratrooper. So why aren't you asking HIM? He does answer his emails and out of all the sources he was the original. Not me. So go there...dbcoopersjumpATgmail.com.

There is one other option!

Disregard everything you say - about everything!

In the words of Geoffrey Gray, quote: "everything he says is
highly highly highly, very highly, doubtful - HIGHLY! I dont mind
talking about the case but I am sick and tired of talking about
this (xxxxx) Blevins and everything he says." Unquote.

Quoting Thomas Jefferson: "He who says everything, says
nothing".


Enjoy yourself, it's later than you think
Enjoy yourself, while you're still in the pink
The years go by, as quickly as a wink
So enjoy yourself, enjoy yourself, it's later than you think.

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mrshutter45

"Option 1.
A paper sack Duane threw into the river at the bridge 8 months before it was found on Tena's bar."


8 months Jo? Sept 79- Feb 80 = 8 months?

also take notice that you claim the area Duane went to the river by himself, with you in the car was not Tena bar. you claim the FBI wouldn't look into who owned the property.

PLEASE - what the hell are you talking about. HAVE you read the book I was reading the night I called the FBI? I suggest you do so! The Fazio property was noted in this book.

The property I was probably talking about was one of the OTHER sites I have explained over and over Duane took me to - such as the land across from the PDX, where he went to the river alone and down a steep incline, the property in around Lake LaCames.

The other property the FBI should have checked out was were the GREEN tank was. Tena's bar has NEVER been questioned by me...only momentarily while I was in WA.

The way you are taking fragments of something I said and making them to appear as misrepresentation is being done ON PURPOSE and I consider this as you trying to BULLY another poster.

I would appreciate it if you do NOT take segments of my posting and disconnect them from the postings they are in reference to. Simply note the time and date and let the other READERS go back to that post and read the prior posts I was responding to...

What you are doing is putting me on TRIAL without a trial - the methods used by the authorities to extract information from a witnesses with the interogator twisting the words to extract and confuse.

Well, this is NOT a murder. This is an old woman who has tried to tell a story for 18 yrs now - ONE the authorities want BURIED!

Yet, someone like you who has NOT been to WA nor to the sites - is allowed to belittle me and to rip apart the things I have said without making all of the connecting posts available. Go to WA.

I assure you anyone could do the same thing with your postings and ideas and your claims! Frankly I do NOT believe you are actually doing an assimulation - I think you are into games and mind control and you want to control and destroy any advances anyone can make. THIS IS A GAME TO YOU! Whatever your Motive this is NOT a game!

Individuals like yourself build confidence in others - (it is an old con game) - by doing things for them and being or pretending to be useful in the project and yet, the only motive the game player has in mind it to defeat his apponents. This ONE is not playing a game - but trying to get a story told before IT can no longer be told.

From this DATE forward you do NOT state JO said this or Jo said that. Do NOT copy ONE post to bring forward. YOU give the time and the date of the post - so anyone who is interested can READ back to find out exactly what was going on during the time of the SUPPOSED allegations you keep making.

YOU HAVE MADE YOURSELF AN UNOFFICIAL INTERROGATOR. I HAVE COMMITED NO CRIME AND I HAVE NOT LIED AND YOU TAKE PARTS OF A POST MADE OVER 7 YRS AND DISJOINT IT FROM ITS ORIGIN. STOP THIS NOW - NO MORE!

DO NOT include JO or any of her postings in your postings. Spend your time attacking someone who is purposely distorting the truths using self promoting information for profit. I DO not need the STRESS you put on me at this time. I am trying to bring this down and I don't have a lot of time to do it SO back OFF - LEAVE me be!

ALLOW ME TO BE ABLE TO FINISH THIS - go find someone your own size and who has as little physical information as you have. GO to WA - GO where I have BEEN! THEN and only then CAN YOU CHERRY pick words to discredit me. I HAVE NEVER tried to decieve anyone....regarding this.

Many things I say are TONGUE in CHEEK - if you could see my face and my eyes you would know when I am trying to flush or extract something. You would also be able to tell if I was lying about something or purposely misleading anyone - MY FACE is EASILY read. The tone of my voice is easily read.

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mrshutter45

"Option 1.
A paper sack Duane threw into the river at the bridge 8 months before it was found on Tena's bar."


8 months Jo? Sept 79- Feb 80 = 8 months?


also take notice that you claim the area Duane went to the river by himself, with you in the car was not Tena bar. you claim the FBI wouldn't look into who owned the property.

Neither of those two postings state anything like that. Why does the 8 month thing bother you? Duane and I being at TENA's Bar - why does that bother you? WHY you would make the ridiculous statement about my being upset they would not look into who owned the property. YOU are cherry picking and you are picking off the WRONG tree.

If you are referencing Tena's bar - you are in ZEROville. PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE!

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[mrshutter45 21]

"I think you and Shutter are simply angry because I don't respond with what you want."

angry? where do you get wanting proper documentation as anger? isn't this what you are claiming the FBI is doing with the Amboy chute, not enough documentation? you assume way too much. that seems to be one of your problems. isn't Marla claiming LD was a paratrooper. I know it's simple to figure out he is not, but, it's the same. I believe several TV shows claimed that as well.......

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

Jo, you just made that quote. you claim you were there at the end of September, you really can't use Sept. in counting. the money was found early Feb. 1980. this would be a little over 4 months.

"put Duane on Tena bar before the money find and I'll pay attention"

"I can't put Duane on Tena bar." you can't mix that statement up Jo.

perhaps you are mixing up a website vs a thread. a website you can say what ever you wish. a thread is a place where people converse. mainly on something that was said earlier.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Robert99 50]

Rather than repeat Jo's whole post, let me simply say again that Georger is right.

It would be folly for the Fazio's to build a house between their farm buildings, which are clearly visible in the aerial photographs, and the river beach. That soil is extremely sandy and any building there is going to have a very short life span.

There does appear to be a residence on the east side of the farm buildings. It backs up to a hayfield. But I have no idea who, if anyone, lived in that building.

In addition, even a shed for boat equipment along the Tena Bar beach would be unlikely. There is a marina just a few hundred feet upstream of Tena Bar (I believe Amazon kept her boat there for several years) between the mainland and Caterpillar Island. And there appears to have been a small marina about three-quarters of a mile downstream of Tena Bar at one point. But boats or anything related to them being in the immediate area of Tena Bar for lengthy periods of time is very unlikely.

The enormous erosion problem at Tena Bar is shown in pictures and discussed by Tom Kaye on his web page.

Robert99

[mrshutter45 21]

I really don't have anything to do with what Georger is saying. he makes his statements, and I make mine. I understand the cash part of it. who wants to pay for this. not me. perhaps we will find another approach. I found a site where it is possible to get the DD-214 for free, but, it could take months.

this all started with the lack of documentation. you have to agree with that. the one and only true source is the US Army. I do believe it's possible he was. I also feel if Porteous has the documents he says he has. it would be the end of the story. proof for everyone? I will set this aside until something can be established.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

skyjack71

OR was there in Sept of 1971 a small shed under the tree line and on the beach side of the fence and behind the Fazio house. I have asked this question multiple times and NO on seems to know. Mr. Fazio had told me on the river in 2001 there used to be a shed used to store the boating equipment ----but he did NOT state when they removed the shed.

I have NEVER been able to extract any information or pictures of the property in 1971 aand 1979. I need to see 1979 pics prior to the money find.

PLEASE no one need send aerials they ARE too unreliable. The date actually taken and the date of the Aerial can be different. I want PHYSICAL photos I can print and hold from 1971 and 1979 prior to Sept of that yr. I want to know how big that shed was. A small shed under a tree wouldn't show up anyway.

Old wooden sheds are sometime made to be portable - meaning it had wood rafting under it....

If the shed was NOT there at the time of the money find - and it was moved after Sept 1971 and if Cooper buried the money at the edge and down about a foot - just exploring here our loud. NONE of this is FACT. Would that plus the fact it was winter have something to do with the money not being found right away?


I have posted here for 7 yrs and in those 7 yrs - things are stated in different ways to reflect the prior conversations or to field ideas of my own and that of others.

I found OLD notes and PRIOR to my ever going public and the story is as I always told it. Tena's bar was forever in my story. I didn't have a clue where the things were - I just described what I saw with Duane - and I had NO MAP of the area.

This thread has been an asset and a detriment. You guys can change your wording and say what you please and make opinions. Jo Weber is not allowed to explore or work thru the trip....which is WHAT I did with the statements taken out of context. I have material that pre-dates this thread - and I always talked bought Tena's bar...I described to Himmelsbach exactly what it looked like and the fact I have bugged the hell out of the thread about Fazio stating there used to be a small shed under the tree and near the fence line - where they stored equipment (I assume boating equipment). If it was under the tree - it woud NOT show up in an aeriel - not just a little wooden storage shed.

Everyone claims they will help and NO one does. NO one actually goes back and asks Fazion this question and watch his eyes and remind him about the boat storage shed and ask him to pinpoint when it was removed...before the money in 1980 find and after Sept of 1979.

Moving the storage shed probably made the exposure of money more likely from its shallow burial ground...

Georger replied:

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total garbage and nonsense.

Why DON'T U spell out exactly WHAT is garbage and nonsense.

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[mrshutter45 21]

Robert99

Rather than repeat Jo's whole post, let me simply say again that Georger is right.

It would be folly for the Fazio's to build a house between their farm buildings, which are clearly visible in the aerial photographs, and the river beach. That soil is extremely sandy and any building there is going to have a very short life span.

There does appear to be a residence on the east side of the farm buildings. It backs up to a hayfield. But I have no idea who, if anyone, lived in that building.

In addition, even a shed for boat equipment along the Tena Bar beach would be unlikely. There is a marina just a few hundred feet upstream of Tena Bar (I believe Amazon kept her boat there for several years) between the mainland and Caterpillar Island. And there appears to have been a small marina about three-quarters of a mile downstream of Tena Bar at one point. But boats or anything related to them being in the immediate area of Tena Bar for lengthy periods of time is very unlikely.

The enormous erosion problem at Tena Bar is shown in pictures and discussed by Tom Kaye on his web page.

Robert99

looking back into the thread it seems possible she is mixing the stops up. several times she mentions an area that she seems to refer to as unknown owners of the property where Duane went down to the rive ALL by himself and told her to wait in the car. also lots of comments about a cabin on the river east of Tena bar. she made statements that law enforcement would not look into the area in the last 14 years. she went onto to say it would cost a couple hundred dollars for the documents. it seems the cabin has vanished and been replaced with a building on the river at Tena bar. the change happens around 2010...2011. in 2008 & 2009 she said several times they were not at Tena bar & lots about the cabin on the river "way east" of Tena bar.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 247]

RobertMBlevins

***"I think you and Shutter are simply angry because I don't respond with what you want."

angry? where do you get wanting proper documentation as anger? isn't this what you are claiming the FBI is doing with the Amboy chute, not enough documentation? you assume way too much. that seems to be one of your problems. isn't Marla claiming LD was a paratrooper. I know it's simple to figure out he is not, but, it's the same. I believe several TV shows claimed that as well.......

I'm not angry with you, or even Georger for that matter. But the problem is that you should go to the original sources for the claim that Kenny was a paratrooper. Look...I just don't feel like dropping the seventy bucks on NARA for Kenny's discharge and whatever else they have on him. Porteous obviously did, and I suppose Geoff Gray. I would go to Gray on this, since it is a major part of the article he wrote for NYM, and it's listed in his book.

I'm not totally unreasonable. I emailed Porteous today and asked him to send whatever he has on this subject, whether it be the copy of the discharge, or information on Kenny's units and whatever. I won't lie about something. I got a bit miffed when someone else here irresponsibly posted something about Kenny dying of an AIDS-related disease, and then refused to provide any evidence. Then I find out it came from Bruce Smith. Then I see Bruce posting up a link to a radio interview, but silent on this rather serious allegation. I started taking a different view of the whole thing and decided I would rather not jump through hoops on every silly allegation made on Christiansen. I figure now it's better to wait until these allegations present themselves with some evidence...and THEN respond with what I have.

On KC and his service. See the original sources. Since Georger obviously trusts Gray (although I think he misquotes him sometimes) it would be better for you two to approach Gray on this. What's the big deal? Gray was the first guy to talk about Kenny's service. He must have had a reason. Ask him. dbcoopersjumpATGmailDOTcom

Several points:

This has nothing to do with MARLA so leave MARLA OUT! of your
KC story. Marla hasnt said squat about Keny Christiansen! Marla
has nothing to do with this. Marla didn't even exist when you
came here with your KC Book in progress.

The KC story/book is yours. The responsibility for that is yours,
not ours. Did you come here for us to do your work for you?
You wouldnt accept "our work" in any event, on anything -
youve made that abundantly clear.

There are simply inconsistencies in your story. That began with
your claim Kenny had read the Dan Cooper comic on Shemya
and that that comic was part of Kenny's "gestalt" for conducting
a hijacking. That arguement collapsed. Now there are
inconsistencies over exactly what patatrooper training Kenny
had and the nature of it. You cite letters Kenny wrote home
while in service (as a paratrooper). Did you present photocopies
of those letters - I forget. Now it turns out Gray and you
differ on which paratrooper unit Kenny was in. Why does that
become our responsibility to figure out and document!?
The KC story is yours.

The same applies to your parachute story. You have criticisms
and claims (you want others to solve) but you present no
documentation of anything of your own outside of a map
showing a river ... which everyone already knows! Once again
you are good at raising questions, socalled, but want others to
solve your riddles for you and prove your claims! Then I guess
you will take credit for the discovery ?

Lyle Christiansen goes to NYC looking for a contact to convey
"an idea for a movie script" in which his brother a gay NWA
employee is DB Cooper. Porteous turns it over to Gray. Gray
does some research on Kenny and concludes he was gay but
probably not DB Cooper, as per Lyle's idea for a movie. Then it
turns out Lyle Christiansen is a "idea man" in general! His brother
being DB Cooper is just one of a his ideas. He has lots of ideas
and even patents. Totally unrealted to Kenny and DB Cooper,
Lyle has other ideas for movie scripts he communicates with
people (in Hollywood) about. Lyle's son even gets involved.
They were both at the recent History event in Washington.
Bruce communicates with both of them and it turns out Lyle
has even tried to sell people (not just ideas) to Hollywood.
We come back to you for a comment and you tell us to figure
it out for themselves!

And people are trying to figure it out! Bruce is writing a whole
book about it! Will you claim credit for Bruce's book since its his
research and his writing?

The Weber Effect is in full force with you.

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Robert stated:

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It would be folly for the Fazio's to build a house between their farm buildings, which are clearly visible in the aerial photographs, and the river beach. That soil is extremely sandy and any building there is going to have a very short life span.

Jo Replies:
Exactly it was just a small shed for equipment they used on the beach and especially since it had public access. Horse shoes, rake, paddles, perserver, fishing equipment, bouys,...just a small untility shed. I did NOT see it but Mr Fazion discussed it with Mr. H. It was no longer there in 1980. .

Jo States:
In 1979 - I do NOT remember seeing a barn to house cattle or any other large structure other than the house. Vaguely remembered a structure - but is sure as hell was NOT a barn.

In 2001 there were more structures, but not in 1979.

Robert Stated:
There does appear to be a residence on the east side of the farm buildings. It backs up to a hayfield. But I have no idea who, if anyone, lived in that building.

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Jo States:
Are you sure it is a residence?


Robert Stated:
***In addition, even a shed for boat equipment along the Tena Bar beach would be unlikely. There is a marina just a few hundred feet upstream of Tena Bar (I believe Amazon kept her boat there for several years) between the mainland and Caterpillar Island.

Jo States
Fazio and Himmelsbach talked about the shed - just for the things they needed on the beach but it was not there in 2001. Something that is under a tree and maybe 2 ft deep X 6 feet wide is NOT a structure. It was a shed. I do not know the size and I did not see a shed, but considering it was items for beach maintenaince and enjoyment - it didn't have to be big - not large enough if under the tree and back near the fence - it would even show. Probably was a nusiance when the water got high.

When I was there in 2001 with the crew - there WAS a small paddle FISHING boat in a little inlet West of the house and on the property. SO don't tell me there WERE NOT boats! If the footage was ever kept - you would see the little boat.


Jo States:

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First there is the house. THere is a fence behind the house on the beach side. There is a tree line right there and under one of those trees they had a shed (small used to store tools and equipment used ON the beach). Like 'horse shoes, rafts, life preservers, rakes, anything the family would use for recreation or to maintain the area).

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[mrshutter45 21]

"I have a copy of Kenny's Army discharge papers. It says on there he was a paratrooper. I'll have to find it. That will shut them up."

now that didn't hurt did it? I think more than a few will be pleased to see this info. my concern was actual documentation from get go. all of this could have easily been avoided. cost $0....time wasted....lots.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Shutter stated

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she mentions an area that she seems to refer to as unknown owners of the property where Duane went down to the river ALL by himself and told her to wait in the car.

Jo Replies
I am NOT mixing anything up - the FAZIO's was known to me from get go!
READ Max's book!

The Cabin you are referring to was there in 1971 and not there in 1979 per statements made by Duane at the site - was the LOCATION on the river Just West of the PDX. and East of the Winterly Park. This is the location he gets the shovel & tells me to STAY in the car. He goes down a steep incline & there are trees in 1979.

When I go out in 2001 - a woman I had met while with the crew at Winterly Park called the room the next morning wanting me to come back - she had something to show me...she bearly caught me as I was waiting for my ride. I told the story about the off duty officer and the 2 sisters and a sister in law - picking me up AFTER the crew left. We went across the river to Vancover - to get the lady - her name for short was Mary.

Mary got in the vehicle with us and told the driver where to go on the Evergreen Hwy and then we turned back down toward the river. When we got there EVERYTHING I had been looking for was there - Remember DUANE made several stops...SOME only focus on one.

At this particular site in 1979 WITH DUANE is where told me to STAY in the car and take nap. It was our first stop in Vancouver. He opens the trunk and goes down to the river - it was steep.

I get restless & about that time he is coming up the slope & I ask if I can get out - he pops the trunk, to return the (snow shovel we kept for emergencies).

When I get out he explains that the PDX is across the river, but out of out site due to the trees on our left and a slight bend. All I know is Weber buried something there. He told me he used to know the man who owned the property & there used to be a cabin on it. He points to the north and mentions the rails and how slow the trains came thru there - easy. He also explained how slow they went because of an "exchange" or "switch".

I was under the impression he had jumped trains there & assumed as a kid. He points beyond this point to the north & mentions there are some very nice home over the berm & knew a man who used to live there.

It was evident he knew who the River front property was owned by in prior yrs.....I want to know! I also want to know where the man lived I will call Jack.

This is the property I attempted to obtain property records on to see who owned it in from 1944 to 1971. I could NOT get the records.
I do not have the plat or coordinates or names to do a search. ! I thought maybe it was the property his brother and a friend (with Boeing ) owned, but I found that to be another property in Pullayallup - a piece of property that links to a man who contacted the FBI in 1971 regarding the Cooper case!!!!!! He was ignore and so was I.

Ah!!! so I just told you some more of the STORY! No I just repeated what I have been saying to anyone who would really listen.

WHY did Duane tell me about all of this and WHY did he point out where the PDX was & the tower?

We took Mary home and she told us the next property down had the same attributes. When I went back in 2010 there were 3 fancy homes built on the Columbia there at the site.

Note below HOW Shutter changed the story to make it sound FAKE. His assignment - SANTICIZE my postings to make them go away!

I left what Shutter had to say on this matter below & he surely did CHANGE it!

What SHUTTER summarized about the river property - one I have in the past been VERY detailed with. Just because I am 73 doesn't mean I still cannot figure out a ploy when I see one!


Shutter stated:

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also lots of comments about a cabin on the river east of Tena bar. she made statements that law enforcement would not look into the area in the last 14 years. she went onto to say it would cost a couple hundred dollars for the documents. it seems the cabin has vanished and been replaced with a building on the river at Tena bar. the change happens around 2010...2011. in 2008 & 2009 she said several times they were not at Tena bar & lots about the cabin on the river "way east" of Tena bar.

WHY are you so ADAMANT in trying to MAKE Tena's Bar GO WAY?


In 2010 when I went back it had 3 very nice homes on it.

WHEN I STATED WE WERE NOT ON TENA'S BAR THAT IS REFERENCING this other property so no one will mix them up. I am explaining all of the STOPS! YET Shutter interperts that statement to literally mean not being there when it was simply a statement to clarify and draw a line between the different stops.


Doing exactly what he has been doing - shuffling the DECK and he has a purpose and knows I can't handle much more stress -

Much more of this and I will have a heart attack or a carcinoid attack either one would disable me or worst..

Shutter: IF you are going to TALK about what I have been saying QUOTE it - STOP giving your OPINION! Your interpertation or opinion of my posts are NOT needed.

Your interpertations of my posts are incorrect & U purposely used only the few words you require in an attempt to discredit me....it could be look AT in an ENTIRELY different WAY. You FORCED me to clarify what I have been trying to tell. By design or by mistake?


AS is CLEARLY EXPLAINED ABOVE. QUOTE the entire post you are referencing when tell someone I said this or that - needs full disclosure and not the phrases you extracted....which alone had a completely different meaning.

GOTTCHA on this one! LIKE I said you use and you twist to make it sound LIKE I am mis-remembering! This time you made the mistake of putting out one of the posts you took a statement from...and completely gave it a different meaning than how the actual post was intended.

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[mrshutter45 21]

Jo, you have never claimed anything about a nap. so you were told to stay in the car on two stops....correct?

"WHEN I STATED WE WERE NOT ON TENA'S BAR THAT IS REFERENCING this other property so no one will mix them up. I am explaining all of the STOPS! YET Shutter interperts that statement to literally mean not being there when it was simply a statement to clarify and draw a line between the different stops."

just a simple question Jo, how do you mix up telling 377 you were not on Tena bar with Duane? his question was just as simple. you gave a simple reply of " I can't put Duane on Tena bar"

how can you explain this quote?
"The Tena's bar area is not very populated. only a fool would allow himself in a place someone would question his presence. I promise you after seeing the area in 2001 - Cooper who ever he was didn't put the money there."

how can you explain this quote?
"Ok, Duane went nowhere near Tena's bar. The closest we got was the Red Lion Inn at the bridge."

and this quote?
"I was ADAMANT this was not the place he took me in 1979? (reference tena bar)

I'm not trying to make Tena bar go away. I'm trying to resolve different comments about your claim.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

I agree. lots of people have said it's possible he wanted to be Cooper. I think Duane knew she would go forever trying to prove something he made up. I can't prove that, but, learning how Jo operates tells a lot. she can take a "what if" and turn it into a fact. she will tell you she has no idea what was in the bag. a month later she will tell you Duane threw the money in the river.

the bottom line is, there is no evidence proving Duane was Cooper by any means.

I'm glad Skipp is sending the documents. you will probably find these very useful in the future. I was really starting to wonder to be honest.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[BruceSmith 3]

My name has come up in a few posts over the past few weeks, so I thought I'd state my perspective on a few subjects.

1. I have never seen Kenny Christiansen's death certificate, nor do I know exactly how he died other than the general sense that he had cancer, as has been stated in many places. I have never written anything to suggest that I know any more than that.

However, I did have a phone conversation two weeks ago with Galen about Kenny's demise, while I was sitting on a park bench outside Skippy's former apartment in NYC. Galen asked me about the cancers associated with male AIDS sufferers and I mentioned Kaposi's sarcoma, the disease that results in dark discoloration of the skin in tell-tale spots and blotches. From the KS, many patients ultimately died from pneumonia.

That's all I said, and any further conclusions or speculations about Kenny's death come from others.

2. I stand by my statement in my book that "Kenny was probably gay and had troubling relationships with runaway boys," or words to that effect. I developed that perspective directly from Geoff's writing and his description of Kenny taking runaway male teens to restaurants and treating them to exotic gifts from the Orient upon his return from his NWA duties. To me, such behavior by an adult man with at-risk youth is very troubling. These actions can be construed as "grooming" the kids for later sexual activity. I'm not saying that Kenny had sex with teenage kids, but he was involved in some dicey behavior in my opinion. Geoff clearly states that his interview with one of the boys reveals that no sex occured between him and KC, but I wonder about the other kids.

Further, I think Blevs and Skippy are remise for not exploring these issues. Threatening me with a law suit is not a useful approach to this matter, in my view. Rather, I think KC's activities in Tokyo should be investigated further, and I have suggested to Robert that he do so. I suspect that KC's money came from his ventures there, not by hijacking 305.

3. I have had numerous emails from Lyle Christiansen that reveal him to be a forceful proponent in championing his brother as DB Cooper. He is much more than a guy just spouting a good idea for a movie; he actively stokes the fire.

Further, Lyle has also asked me for my contacts in the movie industry in Hollywood as he has spied a young lassie in his home town that he feels will be the Next Big Thing. He wants to buddy-up with any producers who want to get in on the ground floor of a celebrity gravy train getting ready to pull out of the station.

I informed Lyle that I have no such connections.

[mrshutter45 21]

I guess the real question is. how involved was Lyle in the whole KC thing. it's brings up the inner circle thingy again. nobody said a word for 40 years. some claimed they suspected? it seems to revolve around Lyle.

I'm also not shocked that a possible answer to the money has not been researched. it's strange how these people don't understand why the FBI does nothing with these suspects????

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[mrshutter45 21]

"Robert says: Lyle is well past 80 years old. He has no financial interest in whether or not his brother was the hijacker, and signed away all rights to KC's story years ago. Yes, he thinks his brother was Cooper. Can he prove it? No."

Robert, have you ever thought of a different angle other than financial gain, why does it have to be money?

"He wasn't banging underage boys"
that is a strong statement. where did Bruce say that?

you seem to get very upset about things that Bruce has taken from Gray. the guy you always tell us to go to? keep in mind that you are accusing Kenneth P Christiansen of a Federal offense. he's not here to speak of your claims. why are you jumping all over Bruce? seems he is going by what Gray has said in the past, along with emails he got from Lyle. yours are true, his are false? pretty one sided...no?

perhaps you should ask Bruce for the emails Lyle sent.?

is someone else protecting possible financial gain in this mess?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

"The Tena's bar area is not very populated. only a fool would allow himself in a place someone would question his presence. I promise you after seeing the area in 2001 - Cooper who ever he was didn't put the money there."

I would have to know when it was posted and read the other posts around that same time. Why would I say "Cooper who ever he was didn't put the money there" Like I have told you before I need dates and post numbers. Strange statement for me to make!

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[mrshutter45 21]

skyjack71

"The Tena's bar area is not very populated. only a fool would allow himself in a place someone would question his presence. I promise you after seeing the area in 2001 - Cooper who ever he was didn't put the money there."

I would have to know when it was posted and read the other posts around that same time. Why would I say "Cooper who ever he was didn't put the money there" Like I have told you before I need dates and post numbers. Strange statement for me to make!

Jo, I have put quotes of your replies on the thread. I have posted screen shots several times of the entire post. different ones and years. that is why I asked you from the start. "why did you claim you were not at Tena bar in 1979" are you even looking at any of the screen shots I posted?


pic #1 377 asks you to put Duane on Tena bar.
pic #2 your response
pic #3 you claim you were nowhere near Tena bar. along with the quote of being a fool for going to Tena bar.
pic #4 The ADAMANT claim at the bottom.

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[skyjack71 0]

mrshutter45

Jo, you have never claimed anything about a nap. so you were told to stay in the car on two stops....correct?

Sorry I don't get technical enough for you. He suggested I take a nap because he had gotten me up very early that morning in order to visit all the places he wanted to go to. Why in the hell would I recite everydamn word Duane said to me. I was concentrating on the locations when I told the story - NOT EVERY WORD Duane said to me. His suggestion I take a nap at the Eastward location across from the PDX was a suggestion only. I had read the book I brought with me.

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just a simple question Jo, how do you mix up telling 377 you were not on Tena bar with Duane? his question was just as simple. you gave a simple reply of " I can't put Duane on Tena bar"

Provide the post number I made that in so I can read the conversations going on and it will be explained. Senseless for you to continue to harass me on this without you providing the post number. The conversations before and after will explain the things I said. ALL you want to do is take phrases and use them to attack and discredit! DO NOT QUOTE any hing I said WITHOUT PROVIDING A POST NUMBER AND A DATE.

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[mrshutter45 21]

"Provide the post number I made that in so I can read the conversations going on and it will be explained"

Jo, that one is written in stone. you can't get past that one. you even acknowledge the Fountain blue.....I'm simply showing what you have said in the past Jo.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

mrshutter45

"Provide the post number I made that in so I can read the conversations going on and it will be explained"

Jo, that one is written in stone. you can't get past that one. you even acknowledge the Fountain blue.....I'm simply showing what you have said in the past Jo.

Showing what I said without the context in which it was stated. Can you remember every damn post you have made. Well I can't I have been at this for 7 yrs.

Give me one statement at a time and the post number in which it was made.
You are taking phrase from many posting and without my knowing the prior discussion going on I cannot answer your questions.

JUST STOP IT NOW! I HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITHOUT YOUR HARASSING ME - AND FOR WHAT? ALL YOU ARE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE A COMPLETE MESS OUR OF THIS AND PUTTING ME IN THE HOSPITAL. EACH STATEMENT AS I HAVE ALREADY POINTED OUT - I WAS TALKING ABOUT 2 DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE CRAP - BY NOT GIVING THE POST NUMBER SO I CAN GO BACK AND READ AND THEN EXPLAIN. I DID THIS ALREADY, BUT YOU JUST IGNORE EVERYTHING. YOU ARE NOT HERE TO HELP ANYONE AND I A BEINGING TO SERIOUS THINK YOU ARE SOME KIND OF GEEK WHO GETS PLEASURE OUT OF DISRUPTION AND CORRUPTION.

SERIOUSL DOUBT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY DONE ANY KIND OF WORK ON THE FLIGHT - YOU SOUNDED TO GOOD TO BE TRUE AND YOU HAVE ACTUALLY PROVEN NOTHING ABOUT THE FLIGHT. SINCE YOU FAILED AT THAT - NOW YOUR GOAL IS TO DISRUPT AND CORRUPT ANYTHING ANYONE SAYS. FRAGMENTS FROM DIFFERENT POST THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER POSTS!

PROVIDE THE POST NUMBER AND ONE QUESTION AT A TIME. YOU ARE ONLY HERE TO CORRUPT AND UNDO ALL THE GOOD THAT HAS BEEN DONE.

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