DB Cooper

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This was no "Janet" sighting. Read on. Amazing escape from a catastrophic mid air collision:

Better yet ... there was no 377 sighting! All a Cooper Zombie illusion.

[Robert99 50]

RobertMBlevins

I see a one-hour TV program coming on this incident. It is unreal, and amazing.

I volunteer to write the screenplay.

Blevins, It might be a better idea for someone who has actually had a parachute on at one time or another to write the script.

Robert99

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Blevins, It might be a better idea for someone who has actually had a parachute on at one time or another to write the script.

Skydiving experience can cut both ways in screenwriting. If the screenwriter for Point Break had been a skydiver we wouldn't have had those awesome three minute freefalls with jumpers talking to each other in a serene environment on the way down. Instead we'd have seen a short sequence with nothing but a deafening wind roar and flapping faces.

The popular TV series Ripcord would have been stillborn had they been required to be authentic or even obey Newtonian physics.

I nit pick every Hollywood excess in cinema skydiving but actually enjoy the enhancements. The reality of slow climbs packed like sardines with everyone venting smelly methane as the air pressure drops isn't very romantic. It's followed by an incredibly loud freefall that only lasts a minute or so with all communication done by hand signals. The real experience isn't quite as appealing as the Hollywood version.

I'd be OK with Blevins or Bruce writing a screenplay about the Superior collision. They know where to get jumper edits if they want them. Geoff Gray made a few aviation goofs in his Skyjack book. Few readers noticed or cared.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Blevins, It might be a better idea for someone who has actually had a parachute on at one time or another to write the script.

Skydiving experience can cut both ways in screenwriting. If the screenwriter for Point Break had been a skydiver we wouldn't have had those awesome three minute freefalls with jumpers talking to each other in a serene environment on the way down. Instead we'd have seen a short sequence with nothing but a deafening wind roar and flapping faces.

The popular TV series Ripcord would have been stillborn had they been required to be authentic or even obey Newtonian physics.

I nit pick every Hollywood excess in cinema skydiving but actually enjoy the enhancements. The reality of slow climbs packed like sardines with everyone venting smelly methane as the air pressure drops isn't very romantic. It's followed by an incredibly loud freefall that only lasts a minute or so with all communication done by hand signals. The real experience isn't quite as appealing as the Hollywood version.

I'd be OK with Blevins or Bruce writing a screenplay about the Superior collision. They know where to get jumper edits if they want them. Geoff Gray made a few aviation goofs in his Skyjack book. Few readers noticed or cared.

377

Well... of course. As you have said: "content does not matter -
behaviore does." - whatever that means!

I guess its the 377 Cooper Zombie Apocalypse. Feed them 24/7...

Good luck in the graveyard, phantoms and all.

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R99 wrote

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Blevins, It might be a better idea for someone who has actually had a parachute on at one time or another to write the script.

Skydiving experience can cut both ways in screenwriting. If the screenwriter for Point Break had been a skydiver we wouldn't have had those awesome three minute freefalls with jumpers talking to each other in a serene environment on the way down. Instead we'd have seen a short sequence with nothing but a deafening wind roar and flapping faces.

The popular TV series Ripcord would have been stillborn had they been required to be authentic or even obey Newtonian physics.

I nit pick every Hollywood excess in cinema skydiving but actually enjoy the enhancements. The reality of slow climbs packed like sardines with everyone venting smelly methane as the air pressure drops isn't very romantic. It's followed by an incredibly loud freefall that only lasts a minute or so with all communication done by hand signals. The real experience isn't quite as appealing as the Hollywood version.

I'd be OK with Blevins or Bruce writing a screenplay about the Superior collision. They know where to get jumper edits if they want them. Geoff Gray made a few aviation goofs in his Skyjack book. Few readers noticed or cared.

377

If I have the right movie, those jumps by Patrick Swayze in Point Break were 100 percent authentic. He did at least some of them himself as clearly illustrated by the shots from inside the jump plane. Swayze was also a multi-engine aircraft pilot, with a black mark or two on his record.

Robert99

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'Blevins, Exactly what have YOU contributed to the search for DB Cooper since you joined the thread in August 2010?

Then Blevins replied with a long long post singing his repeat song.

NO one was asking for Blevins to REPEAT his entire story, but that is what happens every time he is asked a question.

Blevins does NOT get it! Nothing he says puts KC on the plane and all of the "supposed details" he rambles about are worthless ramblings that prove zero.

Real estate dealing - they are completely of the wall and just part of life. Blevins just cannot HELP himself by going on about the real estate dealings.

No one cares about his calls to the bank or why he "thinks" the woman sold her ranch!
(SECRET - SHE WAS OLD AND THE MARKET WAS very RIPE FOR SELLING. SHE like myself KNEW IT WAS TIME TO MAKE THE CHANGE.) She sold at the peak of the market - sharp lady.

All of those interviews! Maybe she was loney - maybe that is when she realized - "I need to get the Hell out of here". The book comes out and her property value goes up!

We know the details about the Amboy chute and other useless things. NO one here wants to hear about them anymore nor my repeated ramblings.

What Duane had or owned after the skyjacking - have you seen or heard me making claims like that repetively? NO, do you want to hear them - do they prove anything? 1000's of dollars spent on vehicles, renovating a home, luxury trips, expensive clothing.

Duane was a thief - the money could have come from anywhere. He sure as hell was not making the money necessary to have paid for these luxuries. Maybe his new wife had money! Maybe I know the anwers to all of this - but they prove absolutely zero. He was driving a new Caddy when he met me!

Blevins you stated: "The KC report doesn't really try to prove whether he was Cooper. It simply provides the tools for anyone to find out for themselves".

Well, sir you should have your answer by NOW! Time to become objective about the case - and NOT to dwell on a specific subject with whom there is a monetary motive.

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georger

Good luck in the graveyard, phantoms and all.

Georger! Halloween is OVER! We aren't looking for ghost - now we are looking for bones - but the question is WHOSE bone?

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"Total invested in research/production of book: Not exactly known, since some expenses were only indirectly related to it. Minimum about $8,000, max probably $13,000. Recoup to date: Somewhere below the lower figure."

what exactly did you pay in research? you had Skipp (Private Investigator) who could do the research. I'm guessing a couple hundred in gas? most of your "research" was based on other people. (what someone else claimed)

I never seen the "Alleged" $30,000 stamp/coin collection, or the value when it was purchased.

I never seen the "Alleged" payment for the house, or why someone with $200,000 would assume a mortgage?

what happened to the Real Estate agent with 30 years under the belt looking over the documents?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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If I have the right movie, those jumps by Patrick Swayze in Point Break were 100 percent authentic. He did at least some of them himself as clearly illustrated by the shots from inside the jump plane. Swayze was also a multi-engine aircraft pilot, with a black mark or two on his record.

They were real jumps but some serous editing was done. Time the freefalls. And talking during freefall? Swayze and his brother were both jumpers. I loved the movie. It drove a huge amount of business to DZs. Everybody wanted to be a skydiver after watching those incredible freefall scenes.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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If I have the right movie, those jumps by Patrick Swayze in Point Break were 100 percent authentic. He did at least some of them himself as clearly illustrated by the shots from inside the jump plane. Swayze was also a multi-engine aircraft pilot, with a black mark or two on his record.

They were real jumps but some serous editing was done. Time the freefalls. And talking during freefall? Swayze and his brother were both jumpers. I loved the movie. It drove a huge amount of business to DZs. Everybody wanted to be a skydiver after watching those incredible freefall scenes.

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here is the jump scene....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKOBZSPKvTE

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Reality check dude. Kenny's income around his death was due to property sold. there is no mystery here. basically you want me to believe Kenny had $200,000 in 1971, and close to $200,000 in the mid 90's lol.

Now you want to "micro manage" your research value? isn't AB a part time gig? I know you make this bigger than it appears. it seems a lot of things become bigger than they appear with this story. the stamp/coins. you claim it's "non-factor" but, you mention $30,000 often without telling the background of the collection. that's borderline misleading. you claimed the $186 grand without really checking into it bigger than it appears. do you tell your people when they email you about KC that's it very possible the money came from Real Estate from 1961?

I have read several quotes from the Rattenbury's about never finding any money on the property. one would think this would be the time for them to tell the story of the 20's being found prior to there purchase? didn't Dan say on Decoded something to the effect of that's how the story goes? IMO there seems to be a lot more claims from someone else...to myths surround this story than anything else. $5,000 loan to a poor woman who paid it back in 2 years lol. why didn't kenny pay off the $7500 mortgage as quick as the poor lady paid off $5,000?

I just don't understand how complicated you think these land/house documents are? they are pretty easy to figure out within a short period of time. do I think KC was Cooper, not a chance. he doesn't fit the description, his background doesn't fit. he has really shown no improvement in life style. same job, same house. a few good investments. perhaps a little gift here and there. the last article I read said it all.

"It's sad, she said, that Christiansen isn't around to defend himself."

I wouldn't worry about going on the property with a metal detector. the land was uncovered in 2002. half the large hill was cut into as well. if he buried something. it better be deep.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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And we're still looking for an answer, Jo. Who gave you Tina's contact information?

Also, why do you doubt that Lee Dormuth told me that DB Cooper was your husband? If you really think it was just a slip o' his tongue, why don't you call him? Lee says you are quite chatty with his wife. I would think that after 18 years on the hunt, you'd want to call!

Also,, what's it like being an insider in Norjak. As you know, guys like me never get invited to dinner. Heck, Himms didn't even offer me a cup o' tea.

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And we're still looking for an answer, Jo. Who gave you Tina's contact information?

Also, why do you doubt that Lee Dormuth told me that DB Cooper was your husband? If you really think it was just a slip o' his tongue, why don't you call him? Lee says you are quite chatty with his wife. I would think that after 18 years on the hunt, you'd want to call!

You won't get any answers from JO!
You had a BRIEF conversation with Dormuth and you are the only one who was chatty - PER your own accounting of the event.

WHY would I believe a statement YOU claimed was made by Dormuth? So much of what you write is filled with what U claim and not what actually transpired. You put out bait that encites others and that does NOT make you any friends - you think someone is going to hand the The Real Cooper Story to U on a silver patter - NO way hosea!

Too much conspirator and gobbly gook gets put into your writings that have NO bearing on the case or the subject....and YOU want answers from ME!

Why don't you conjure up one of your SPOOKS (from the para-normal) and do your own investigation? I am sure the Spooks will conjure up ALL of the answers you seek.

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mrshutter45

I have read several quotes from the Rattenbury's about never finding any money on the property. one would think this would be the time for them to tell the story of the 20's being found prior to there purchase?

RATTENBURY? Was there not someone connected to the ground search by that name? A man who ended up in HAWAII?

Why did that name cause me to remember the story about the Ground search and a man with a similar name who moved to HAWAII?

Someone help me out here - WHAT was the name of the man with that name or a similar sound name that was involved in the ground search in 1971? NOT real good with searches, but it was discussed in this thread.

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[Robert99 50]

RobertMBlevins

[Replying to Shutter]

You understand of course, that all of your assumptions and postulations regarding Kenny (some not accurate) will be for naught if investigators are able to extract the proper information from the witness list, right?

Blevins, Are you going to try waterboarding on the witnesses? There are conflicting claims if that will cause them to provide the information you need.

Otherwise, your posts in the last few weeks are just CYA attempts.

And your sudden devotion to the "truth" is remarkable.

Robert99

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RATTENBURY? Was there not someone connected to the ground search by that name? A man who ended up in HAWAII?

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His name is Bill Rattie. He used to be the manager of the True Value hardware store in Des Moines, WA where Gayla Prociv worked when I first met her. He was in the Army and called up for the search at the time of the hijacking. He has said that he (or one of the searchers) found a loafer-type shoe and turned it in but nothing more was heard about it.

Geese that was quick - it was just the sound of the name and it triggered the Hawaii. Bill Rattie! Thank You - that is one less thing to have on my mind. Rattie versus Rattenbury. This is how my mind files memories in fragments. I even had a conversation with Rattie in Hawaii on my nickle long long ago. Interesting man.

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You won't get any answers from JO!

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Why not?

Because you don't like me?

What about the other 500 people who view this site? What about the 40,000 people who read the Mountain News the day I posted Galen's pix of Tina.

Remember, we wouldn't have gotten those pix without your help.

So get off your high horse, babes. Time to get real.

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Perhaps why the phone number was given to me - perhaps the only thing an individual who actually knew the REAL Cooper story could do for me.

The communication was by email and the person was trying to help in the only way that person could help. How that person obtained my email way back then - just before or after I posted on this thread - perhaps is NOT mystery.

I expect that is HOW he got my personal email address was when I first register to the DZ.

I believe I actually spoke to this person whose REAL name if I am 100% was correct would NEVER be revealed to anyone except the FBI.

I managed ONE time to contact the person by his real name (a man Duane had told me about and a man he knew).....I was told he was pushing to try to make certain things public, but he died shortly there after.

He did NOT admit to being Clampett, but knew WHO I WAS! That alone told me I did find the RIGHT man.

I have not to my knowledge made this public and will NOT until I am given permission to do so...by the FBI and others. I have waited patiently for many yrs.

I would READ about his death and managed to contact his brother - he could not tell me if Clamplett was his brother, but also knew who I was. He told me he could not tell me for sure if it was his brother - but, it was something his brother would have done. Evidently the brother when he contacted me using RobbieClampett - knew he was dying.

RobbieClampett was HIGH UP in a certain aspects of our GOVERNMENT! He was hoping (I believe) that I would contact Tina and that she would ID Weber - but that just did not happen.

Then again - the FBI and other's would say I am delusional. Well, I did not imagine the email from Clampett and the phone contact with a man who Duane claimed to have known and who REALLY was....a high ranking official with in our government.

Anything outside of this statement is classified. NOW do some of YOU understand WHY I have fought this battle to the very end! I actually spoke with the man Duane claimed to have known - a man so far up the chain of command - NONE of you would ever have believed me and he did tell me "This conversation never happened"....along with something along the lines of "Be patient".

If the government eavesdropped on all of their employees they are aware I did have this conversation with this official.

Regardin the FBI and the officials of the US Government - I have been PATIENT long enough! Time to TELL the truth!

I am making this post because I am having some serious problems - not any thing wrong with my mind, but my body is giving out. Time for the Government to come clean.

I did discuss this in an indirect way - WAY back in the thread. One of you needs to go back and find those postings. I was dismissed by the thread and / or ignored when I spoke about these contacts in the past - now things have gone along for so many yrs - I am not sure I even posted it. Too many Secrets for Way TOO long.

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[mrshutter45 21]

"You of course...will have little or nothing to do with that. Sometimes I think people around here are simply PISSED OFF that I opened everything up we had on Kenny and made it public. "

you read things entirely different from what is said. I'm not pissed off at anything. when someone prints things as facts, without cross checking. something went wrong somewhere. I'm not the only one asking questions about this.

you posted all over the place that Kenny paid $16,000 CASH for his home in Bonney Lake. this is turning out not to be the case. you also claimed he purchased the lot next to it. this was also incorrect. you also claimed he paid $10 for the lot next door. you shift blame, bring in "supposed" professionals to examine things, and we don't hear anything else after that. questions come up. I never once said that you claimed Kenny to be the hijacker. I don't think you are being honest with yourself, or this form when you say this. that's my opinion.

personally I think you have lots of things mixed up, you take the word of just about everyone involved, except the very one who started it all? the fact of the matter is. the facts are not lining up as you tell them. if you had all these facts. questions would be easy as cake. doesn't seem that way though.

Cooper is nobody's whole life Robert. why do you keep saying this? we all have hobbies, Jobs, friends. the only person I think this has swallowed up is Jo.

So, basically you are telling people to screw off when it comes to documented evidence, or being called out about certain events, but, you have no problem plastering the KC story all over the net? you haven't opened up everything. it's like pulling teeth to get a document out of you. you bring up the 400 filthy comments of 2011 as your escape. cheap excuse if you ask me. if you don't trust the people posting on this form, why are you here? if I walked into a room full of people who didn't like me. I don't think I would linger around poking at them!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[BruceSmith 3]

skyjack71

Perhaps why the phone number was given to me - perhaps the only thing an individual who actually knew the REAL Cooper story could do for me.

The communication was by email and the person was trying to help in the only way that person could help. How that person obtained my email way back then - long before I posted on this thread - perhaps is NOT mystery.

I believe I actually spoke to this person whose REAL name if I was 100% was correct would NEVER be revealed to anyone except the FBI.

I managed ONE time to contact the person by his real name (a man Duane had told me about and a man he knew).....I was told he was pushing to try to make certain things public, but he died shortly there after.
He did NOT admit to being Clampett but knew WHO I WAS! That alone told me I did find the RIGHT man.
I have not to my knowledge made this public and will NOT until I am given permission to do so...by the FBI and others.

I would READ about his death and managed to contact his brother - he could not tell me if Clamplett was his brother, but also knew who I was. He told me he could not tell me for sure it was his brother - but, it was something his brother would have done. Evidently he knew he was very sick when he contacted me by using RobbieClampett.

RobbieClampett was HIGH UP in a certain aspects of our GOVERNMENT!
He was hoping (I believe) that I would contact Tina and that she would ID Weber - but that just did not happen.

Then again - the FBI and other's would say I am delusional. Well, I did not imagine the email from Clampett and the phone contact with a man who who Duane claimed to have known and had a personal connection to....a high ranking official within our government.

Anything outside of this statement is classified. NOW do some of YOU understand WHY I have fought this battle to the very end! I actually spoke with the man Duane claimed to have known - a man so far up the chain or command - NONE of you would ever have believed me and he did tell me "This conversation never happened"....along with something along the lines of "Be patient".

If the government eavesdropped on all of their employees they are aware I did this conversation with this official.

WELL, FBI and the officials of the US Government - I have been PATIENT long enough! Time to TELL the truth!

I am making this post because I am having some serious problems - not on thing wrong with my mind, but my body is giving out.

I did discuss this in an indirect way - WAY back in the thread. One of your searchers needs to go back and find those postings. I was dismissed by the thread and / or ignored when I spoke about these contacts in the past - now things have gone along for so many yrs - I am not sure I even posted it. Too man Secrets for Way TOO long.

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Okay, so we're getting somewhere.

Now we need you to tell us why a High Level government official would need you to contact Tina. Presumably, they would be able to do that as well, along with pix of Duane.

If this "Robbie Clampett" is deceased, what's the problem in letting us now who is was, and we can corroborate your story from there.

It also begs the question - if you knew where Tina was, why didn't you visit her and show her a pix of Duane?

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I am quoting myself - because I want this to be clarified. Bruce JUMPED on it before I could make some minor corrections!

skyjack71

Perhaps why the phone number was given to me - perhaps the only thing an individual who actually knew the REAL Cooper story could do for me.

The communication was by email and the person was trying to help in the only way that person could help. How that person obtained my email way back then - just before or after I posted on this thread - perhaps is NOT mystery.

I expect the thread is HOW he got my personal email address when I first register to the DZ.

I actually spoke to this person whose REAL name if I am 100% correct will NEVER be revealed to anyone except the FBI. NOT that they were ever in the loop to begin with.

I managed ONE time to contact the person by his real name (a man Duane had told me about and a man he knew).....I was told he was pushing to try to make certain things public, but he died shortly there after.

He did NOT admit to being Clampett, but knew WHO I WAS! That alone told me I did find the RIGHT man.

I have not to my knowledge made this public and will NOT until I am given permission to do so...by the FBI and others. I have waited patiently for many yrs.

I would READ about his death and managed to contact his brother - he could not tell me if Clamplett was his brother, but also knew who I was. He told me he could not tell me for sure if it was his brother - but, it was something his brother would have done. Evidently the brother when he contacted me using RobbieClampett - knew he was dying.

RobbieClampett was HIGH UP in a certain aspects of our GOVERNMENT! He was hoping (I believe) that I would contact Tina and that she would ID Weber - but that just did not happen.

Then again - the FBI and other's would say I am delusional. Well, I did not imagine the email from Clampett and the phone contact with a man who Duane claimed to have known and who REALLY was....a high ranking official with in our government.

Anything outside of this statement is classified. NOW do some of YOU understand WHY I have fought this battle to the very end! I actually spoke with the man Duane claimed to have known - a man so far up the chain of command - NONE of you would ever have believed me and he did tell me "This conversation never happened"....along with something along the lines of "Be patient".

If the government eavesdropped on all of their employees they are aware I did have this conversation with this official.

Regarding the FBI and the officials of the US Government - I have been PATIENT long enough! Time to TELL the truth!

I am making this post because I am having some serious problems - not any thing wrong with my mind, but my body is giving out...I am not going to be able to do this much longer. Time for the Government to come clean.

I did discuss this in an indirect way - WAY back in the thread. One of you needs to go back and find those postings. I was dismissed by the thread and / or ignored when I spoke about these contacts in the past - now things have gone along for so many yrs - I am not sure I even posted it. Too many Secrets for Way TOO long.

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BruceSmith

Okay, so we're getting somewhere.

Now we need you to tell us why a High Level government official would need you to contact Tina. Presumably, they would be able to do that as well, along with pix of Duane.

If this "Robbie Clampett" is deceased, what's the problem in letting us now who is was, and we can corroborate your story from there.

It also begs the question - if you knew where Tina was, why didn't you visit her and show her a pix of Duane?

YOU are a very "small' man. I had some other choice words, but deleted them.

I believe my post was self-explanatory and Therefore your question absurd.

You make the point of saying "we can corroborate your story from there". U are a fricking media monger who writes ridiculous crap and U change things to suit U and yourself. Anyone with an ounce of Common Sense can read right thru U. After the horrible things you stated about Tina - why do you think I would even entertain such a thing.

YOU chewed off your own digit without any help from anyone. U Screwed Yourself!

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skyjack71

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Okay, so we're getting somewhere.

Now we need you to tell us why a High Level government official would need you to contact Tina. Presumably, they would be able to do that as well, along with pix of Duane.

If this "Robbie Clampett" is deceased, what's the problem in letting us now who is was, and we can corroborate your story from there.

It also begs the question - if you knew where Tina was, why didn't you visit her and show her a pix of Duane?

YOU are a very "small' man. I had some other choice words, but deleted them.

I believe my post was self-explanatory and Therefore your question absurd.

You make the point of saying "we can corroborate your story from there". U are a fricking media monger who writes ridiculous crap and U change things to suit U and yourself. Anyone with an ounce of Common Sense can read right thru U. After the horrible things you stated about Tina - why do you think I would even entertain such a thing.

YOU chewed off your own digit without any help from anyone. U Screwed Yourself!

Would that be Jedd or Jethro Clampett's brother, Robbie ?

Are you sure his name wasn't Presley... or Fonda ... or
Kennedy? Or Cosby... or Sanford ... or Armstrong ?
Maybe Glenn? Or Clinton ??? Hoover? Hannibal?
Romney? Fisher-Price? Campbells?
MacDonald? Sears? Ford? Chevy?

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mrshutter45

Cooper is nobody's whole life Robert. why do you keep saying this? we all have hobbies, Jobs, friends. the only person I think this has swallowed up is Jo.

You are right that this has swallowed me up. It has taken 17 yrs out of my life....but, I allowed it - because I knew Duane was NOT lieing to me.

If he was lieing to me - he did it in bits and pieces over an 18 yr relationship and marriage. HIGHLY inconceivable a person could ever do this - unless they needed to tell SOMEONE, but could ONLY TELL bits and pieces. If he had let me know before he died - he knew he would die in a prison or cause harm to anyone else who might have been involved...

He told me things in the hospital I did NOT understand & I turned a deaf ear & the morphine had taken over & he kept talking about the Van - well, whatever was in that van - was found by someone else or removed before I could find it. I turned a deaf ear to what he was saying - why he said "Oh, Fuck - Let it DIE with Me".

I have been torn between many things. Government action versus lone man....if as a lone man he had had government connections in the past - connections they would have recognized...why it was necessary to use only prison shots of Weber that could NOT be connected to the skyjacking? Whether the cover up was part of a project or if it was afterward because of "other" things this man may have been involved in, only those involved would know.

Remember every time I posted about AWARE - not one raised eyebrown! The communication with a man I knew as Robblie Clampett and some other recent communication - I knew the end of this saga was insight.

Last Sunday on 60 minutes a man by the name of Morrellie (no one corrected me on the spelling a few days ago) ended his interview with OFF the Record! Perhaps he thought the cameras stating OFF the RECORD. He ended with one word - Geronimo.

The subject of the conversation was CIA and those who would never be known. The subject matter had nothing to do with CIA actions in a specific time frame. One word use by Duane Weber only one time in our entire marriage...was a trigger.

Our last day in Seattle Duane disappeared and returned to the room very late - we had a banquest that evening. Before we went down stairs - with his drink in his hand I made a picture as he took the stance and called out "GERONIMO". Hell I didn't know that was a CIA expression of Mission Accomplished. The only time in our marriage he ever used that word,

Duane had been to see an OLD friend in Seattle that afternoon, but never discussed it with me - I even suspicioned it was an old girl friend.
But, memory is a strange thing - the name he mention was buried in my memory. I had NO idea what that name was connected to - and forgot the name until I heard it being use just in the last few weeks. I could never recall the name - but hearing in a conversation that meant nothing to me - it was a GERONIMO moment.

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Our last day in Seattle Duane disappeared and returned to the room very late - we had a banquest that evening. Before we went down stairs - with his drink in his hand I made a picture as he took the stance and called out "GERONIMO". Hell I didn't know that was a CIA expression of Mission Accomplished.

Jo, The use of the word "Geronimo" came into general use by paratroopers when they went out the door of the jump aircraft. Supposedly, it started when one particular paratrooper, after seeing a movie about the real "Geronimo" Indian warrior, spontaneously yelled the name and other paratroopers started doing the same.

I seriously doubt if the CIA would be yelling the name to indicate that a mission had been accomplished.

And simply yelling the name doesn't make Duane or anyone else a paratrooper. Training does that and Duane didn't have any.

Robert99