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'if you get your gps out of your car go to La Center WA. Zoom out to 10,000 ft then zoom down in to the lower Lewis river and fallow it under I 5 bridge by Paradise st park then to were they meet then north to woodland air port and now you know the truth it was that easy...'

Yeah. At first we thought Kenny hiked out to Paradise Point State Park, too. But then we found out that Bernie Geestman owned property with a shop building down in Oakville, WA and that's where he parked his infamous Airstream trailer he bought at a bank repo sale six weeks before the hijacking. Instead of bringing it home to Bonney Lake.

When he and Kenny vanished the week of the crime, Geestman gave his wife the excuse he was going camping rather than attending Thanksgiving dinner at the Jones' place. I don't think he used a tent, which means he and Kenny ended up in Oakville at the trailer and shop. What they did after that is anybody's guess. You could say they were robbing banks, or having sex, or whatever. But to assume that...when Kenny was unhappy with the airline he worked for...knew how to use a parachute...and was able a few months later to hand out thousands of dollars to both Geestman's sister and for a house...well, it's hard to ignore.

Face it. You read Blast. You saw Geoff Gray's article and both books. You checked out the letters mailed after the hijacking. Since then, you've tried to build a case around that. But even I'm not stupid enough to say that Kenny was certainly Cooper based on the available evidence. It just isn't enough.

If you are going to ride on coattails, you should first make sure your shoes are clean.

Sorry Blevy I showed JT were the money was fond before you wrote your book, I spoke with Grays on the beach so explain that and you said on this forum that I could use your photos
If I gave you image credit. I still find it hard to do I only use the altered ones that I gave to the Director of the PDX FBI OFFICE
Gary A Fowller
PS in my book I thank you for bring K C to the forefront and recommend you book if you want K C full name and address
But in all reality it was his brother L C that came out and said
my brother KENNY WAS COOPER JUST LIKE THE RRRREEEENNNOOO LETTER BUSTED

and the ticket or the letters are not in ether one of your books
so good luck with that. The letters and ticket are from 1971 and 1972 or did you forget not 2009 or 2010 so wake up and I gave till Jan 1 to wake up its zzzzzzzzzz time for you did you remove wrighting off the ticket for the Brad M book just like I said JUST THE NAME

MARK B Paul i don't understand

we know we know but its OOooKky
you can't unsolve it and resolve it with hearsay it doesn't work that why Blevy My grandfather worked for Boeing and Sea First bank, My grandmother worked for Boeing My moms aunt worked for Boeing my moms side of the family is from Canada and we had nothing to do with it I was borne in Seattle and it was KENNETH P C CASE SOLVED 6 13 13 GC 148 THE GRAY COP GET REAL I can Only use LARRY CARRS NAME AND CURTIS ENG NAME
BECOUSE I Met with them and or had phone call from them and certified my evidence so you left your self be hind Paul GEIVETT like a GUY in a CORVETTE

DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film

Written by Paul Geivett

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RobertMBlevins

******Graycop says in part:

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'if you get your gps out of your car go to La Center WA. Zoom out to 10,000 ft then zoom down in to the lower Lewis river and fallow it under I 5 bridge by Paradise st park then to were they meet then north to woodland air port and now you know the truth it was that easy...'

Yeah. At first we thought Kenny hiked out to Paradise Point State Park, too. But then we found out that Bernie Geestman owned property with a shop building down in Oakville, WA and that's where he parked his infamous Airstream trailer he bought at a bank repo sale six weeks before the hijacking. Instead of bringing it home to Bonney Lake.

When he and Kenny vanished the week of the crime, Geestman gave his wife the excuse he was going camping rather than attending Thanksgiving dinner at the Jones' place. I don't think he used a tent, which means he and Kenny ended up in Oakville at the trailer and shop. What they did after that is anybody's guess. You could say they were robbing banks, or having sex, or whatever. But to assume that...when Kenny was unhappy with the airline he worked for...knew how to use a parachute...and was able a few months later to hand out thousands of dollars to both Geestman's sister and for a house...well, it's hard to ignore.

Face it. You read Blast. You saw Geoff Gray's article and both books. You checked out the letters mailed after the hijacking. Since then, you've tried to build a case around that. But even I'm not stupid enough to say that Kenny was certainly Cooper based on the available evidence. It just isn't enough.

If you are going to ride on coattails, you should first make sure your shoes are clean.

Shoes? clean? ....Like where is the proof that KC was with Geestman? Someone saying it just doesn't cut it. Any polaroids, phone records, receipts, diaries,?
Sheez. Remember, Robert, this is Cooper investigating 101. I would add "babe" to that but I can't quite go there.

Robert says:

Kenny "was able a few months later to hand out thousands of dollars to both Geestman's sister and for a house"

Robert, you keep posting this like it's true. Prove it my man. Just prove it. I don't have any desire to see you fail, but I have to keep you honest. Every time you post this, I will ask for proof. Don't keep saying it if you can't prove it.
When people give witness testimony, and you provide the means to VERIFY that testimony, then the answer to your problem is obvious.

Interview the witnesses on your own. Providing the full report at the website certainly proves I have nothing to hide. Trust me on something. Sooner or later, someone is going to check it for accuracy. I have nothing to hide, and I am not afraid of the results.

Robert, Robert, Robert. Why would I want to interview these witnesses when what I am trying to impart to you is that these witness statements are

1. probably not accurate due to the length of time for memory retrieval.
2. Self-serving
3. Full of ego-centric memory bias.

Have I ever said that you lied in regards to the "witness statements"? NO.
But, come on man --- What is there to verify? Susie said this and Sally agrees??? Jeez -- let's send a man to prison based on that.

What you are not understanding, obviously, is that your witness statements are to be taken with basically a grain of salt, since there is no corroborating evidence to sustain.

Let's put it another way. Since you obviously want to be Kenny's prosecuting attorney..... Okay ....
well I think Kenny was a pretty decent guy and no way would he perpetuate as heinous a crime as to blow up a plane full of people for money. So I'm gonna be the lawyer for the defendant, Mr. Kenneth Christiansen. So you make your case. I guarantee that I can refute every fallacy that you make about my client. BRING IT ON.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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smokin99

*********Graycop says in part:

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'if you get your gps out of your car go to La Center WA. Zoom out to 10,000 ft then zoom down in to the lower Lewis river and fallow it under I 5 bridge by Paradise st park then to were they meet then north to woodland air port and now you know the truth it was that easy...'

Yeah. At first we thought Kenny hiked out to Paradise Point State Park, too. But then we found out that Bernie Geestman owned property with a shop building down in Oakville, WA and that's where he parked his infamous Airstream trailer he bought at a bank repo sale six weeks before the hijacking. Instead of bringing it home to Bonney Lake.

When he and Kenny vanished the week of the crime, Geestman gave his wife the excuse he was going camping rather than attending Thanksgiving dinner at the Jones' place. I don't think he used a tent, which means he and Kenny ended up in Oakville at the trailer and shop. What they did after that is anybody's guess. You could say they were robbing banks, or having sex, or whatever. But to assume that...when Kenny was unhappy with the airline he worked for...knew how to use a parachute...and was able a few months later to hand out thousands of dollars to both Geestman's sister and for a house...well, it's hard to ignore.

Face it. You read Blast. You saw Geoff Gray's article and both books. You checked out the letters mailed after the hijacking. Since then, you've tried to build a case around that. But even I'm not stupid enough to say that Kenny was certainly Cooper based on the available evidence. It just isn't enough.

If you are going to ride on coattails, you should first make sure your shoes are clean.

Shoes? clean? ....Like where is the proof that KC was with Geestman? Someone saying it just doesn't cut it. Any polaroids, phone records, receipts, diaries,?
Sheez. Remember, Robert, this is Cooper investigating 101. I would add "babe" to that but I can't quite go there.

Robert says:

Kenny "was able a few months later to hand out thousands of dollars to both Geestman's sister and for a house"

Robert, you keep posting this like it's true. Prove it my man. Just prove it. I don't have any desire to see you fail, but I have to keep you honest. Every time you post this, I will ask for proof. Don't keep saying it if you can't prove it.
When people give witness testimony, and you provide the means to VERIFY that testimony, then the answer to your problem is obvious.

Interview the witnesses on your own. Providing the full report at the website certainly proves I have nothing to hide. Trust me on something. Sooner or later, someone is going to check it for accuracy. I have nothing to hide, and I am not afraid of the results.

Robert, Robert, Robert. Why would I want to interview these witnesses when what I am trying to impart to you is that these witness statements are

1. probably not accurate due to the length of time for memory retrieval.
2. Self-serving
3. Full of ego-centric memory bias.

Have I ever said that you lied in regards to the "witness statements"? NO.
But, come on man --- What is there to verify? Susie said this and Sally agrees??? Jeez -- let's send a man to prison based on that.

What you are not understanding, obviously, is that your witness statements are to be taken with basically a grain of salt, since there is no corroborating evidence to sustain.

Let's put it another way. Since you obviously want to be Kenny's prosecuting attorney..... Okay ....
well I think Kenny was a pretty decent guy and no way would he perpetuate as heinous a crime as to blow up a plane full of people for money. So I'm gonna be the lawyer for the defendant, Mr. Kenneth Christiansen. So you make your case. I guarantee that I can refute every fallacy that you make about my client. BRING IT ON.

how would you respond to the reno letter with the same handwriting on it 1 and that it matches the ticket 2 NW own employe 3 and all the letters sent to the FBI 4 and matches all the letters sent to Max Gunther5 all from 1971 to1972 before
KC was a suspect in 1995 6 and all the DNA under the stamps7
all of this is in the FBI owe evidence room all from 1971 1972 I would of solved this crime in 1974 1976 If I worked there but I was only 11 years old at that time
So no answer on who owned the property before PDX was built
sad

It was handwriting that got the Warrant to search MC COYS house it matched the note on the plane back in 1972 I love the GRAY COP GAME or is that GREY matt THE GRAY CUP CAKE BLEVY YOU WANT YOUR GRAY CUP CAKE AND EAT IT TO

DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film

Written by Paul Geivett

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Shoes? clean? ....Like where is the proof that KC was with Geestman? Someone saying it just doesn't cut it. Any polaroids, phone records, receipts, diaries,?
Sheez. Remember, Robert, this is Cooper investigating 101. I would add "babe" to that but I can't quite go there.

Robert says:

Kenny "was able a few months later to hand out thousands of dollars to both Geestman's sister and for a house"

Robert, you keep posting this like it's true. Prove it my man. Just prove it. I don't have any desire to see you fail, but I have to keep you honest. Every time you post this, I will ask for proof. Don't keep saying it if you can't prove it.

When people give witness testimony, and you provide the means to VERIFY that testimony, then the answer to your problem is obvious.

Interview the witnesses on your own. Providing the full report at the website certainly proves I have nothing to hide. Trust me on something. Sooner or later, someone is going to check it for accuracy. I have nothing to hide, and I am not afraid of the results.

Robert, Robert, Robert. Why would I want to interview these witnesses when what I am trying to impart to you is that these witness statements are

1. probably not accurate due to the length of time for memory retrieval.
2. Self-serving
3. Full of ego-centric memory bias.

Have I ever said that you lied in regards to the "witness statements"? NO.
But, come on man --- What is there to verify? Susie said this and Sally agrees??? Jeez -- let's send a man to prison based on that.

What you are not understanding, obviously, is that your witness statements are to be taken with basically a grain of salt, since there is no corroborating evidence to sustain.

Let's put it another way. Since you obviously want to be Kenny's prosecuting attorney..... Okay ....
well I think Kenny was a pretty decent guy and no way would he perpetuate as heinous a crime as to blow up a plane full of people for money. So I'm gonna be the lawyer for the defendant, Mr. Kenneth Christiansen. So you make your case. I guarantee that I can refute every fallacy that you make about my client. BRING IT ON.

Reposting this for Mr. Blevins.
Go back to bed, Paul. The grownups are talking now. If you want to make sense, then write a post that makes sense. Otherwise, you are going to be ignored by me.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Shoes? clean? ....Like where is the proof that KC was with Geestman? Someone saying it just doesn't cut it. Any polaroids, phone records, receipts, diaries,?
Sheez. Remember, Robert, this is Cooper investigating 101. I would add "babe" to that but I can't quite go there.

Robert says:

Kenny "was able a few months later to hand out thousands of dollars to both Geestman's sister and for a house"

Robert, you keep posting this like it's true. Prove it my man. Just prove it. I don't have any desire to see you fail, but I have to keep you honest. Every time you post this, I will ask for proof. Don't keep saying it if you can't prove it.

When people give witness testimony, and you provide the means to VERIFY that testimony, then the answer to your problem is obvious.

Interview the witnesses on your own. Providing the full report at the website certainly proves I have nothing to hide. Trust me on something. Sooner or later, someone is going to check it for accuracy. I have nothing to hide, and I am not afraid of the results.

Robert, Robert, Robert. Why would I want to interview these witnesses when what I am trying to impart to you is that these witness statements are

1. probably not accurate due to the length of time for memory retrieval.
2. Self-serving
3. Full of ego-centric memory bias.

Have I ever said that you lied in regards to the "witness statements"? NO.
But, come on man --- What is there to verify? Susie said this and Sally agrees??? Jeez -- let's send a man to prison based on that.

What you are not understanding, obviously, is that your witness statements are to be taken with basically a grain of salt, since there is no corroborating evidence to sustain.

Let's put it another way. Since you obviously want to be Kenny's prosecuting attorney..... Okay ....
well I think Kenny was a pretty decent guy and no way would he perpetuate as heinous a crime as to blow up a plane full of people for money. So I'm gonna be the lawyer for the defendant, Mr. Kenneth Christiansen. So you make your case. I guarantee that I can refute every fallacy that you make about my client. BRING IT ON.

Reposting this for Mr. Blevins.
Go back to bed, Paul. The grownups are talking now. If you want to make sense, then write a post that makes sense. Otherwise, you are going to be ignored by me.

I see you can't respond but it's ok and don't want the case solved I just don't understand why the posters hear know so little about the case. But I think I know why its the float down thing it ruins it for you guys. and living next door to the ......... that took Brian down to the beach and talking to him on the beach myself. thats the only why it happened and MAX GUTHERS BOOK

DB Cooper into the Funnel of Darkness the movie starring Nicolas Cage, Jennifer Anniston and Woody Harrellson... a Jerry Bruckheimer film

Written by Paul Geivett

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"Robert, Robert, Robert. Why would I want to interview these witnesses when what I am trying to impart to you is that these witness statements are

1. probably not accurate due to the length of time for memory retrieval.
2. Self-serving
3. Full of ego-centric memory bias."


Carolyn Tyner is not telling the truth by stating Kenny purchased the house and lot behind the property and the safeway for CASH.

She also claims her husband was charged with Attempted murder. no records can be found of this charge. he has assault charges, but not attempted murder.

they all seem to recall everything like it happened yesterday...

like I've always said....he is being taken for a ride and believes what these people are telling him. people like this are one of the reasons we have so many innocent people locked up.

he likes to bust chops of everyone on here without taking notice of the many error's he spews. his website still hasn't been corrected and continues to fuel misinformation and myths.

YES MYTHS....

Robert always complains he has better things to do, but finds plenty of time to try and correct everyone except himself!!!!

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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smokin99

Well, Paul, you must not be too familiar with Georgia peaches......

Smokin, sorry to have to say this but I have also heard of the famous Georgia peaches.

However, a few decades back, I was driving through Georgia one day and happened to stop at a supermarket for some reason. As I walked down an aisle I spotted a table loaded with beautiful peaches.

But I noticed on the sticker attached to the peaches the following information:

"Grown in California"

Robert99

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Matt we have a thing called the cowards list and it has two names on it.

But now it has 3 yours

1 Mark Bennet

2 Bruce Smith

3 you matt you are a cowards for not being a man and calling from a phone both with a rag over your mouth and calling in the middle of the night you are number 3

Matt if you call I can answered all your questions

Hey Paul, can I get on this cowards list also? I think I'm qualified, I'm scared of the dark and I think your story is all BS. Thanks

"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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In case you'd like to take a break from personal bickering and attacks and instead look at some evidence.

http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/emuwebwshs/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=21250

Thanks to Fred and Gwen.

Happy New Year to all.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377

In case you'd like to take a break from personal bickering and attacks and instead look at some evidence.

http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/emuwebwshs/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=21250

Happy New Year to all.

377

Unfortunately, the above information has been available for several years. There is nothing new here.

Specifically, the redacted transcript for the period starting at 7:37PM PST, November 24, 1971, as the airliner took off from Seattle until it was handed off to the Oakland Center at about 9:45PM PST is old news. There are 19 redactions in this transcript.

What we need are the un-redacted transcript with those 19 redactions included in it.

Robert99

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Yeah. I posted the link before I read the PDF.

Too bad we can't get the transcript starting at 7:37 PM

OK, we can return to the normal bickering. Move along. Nothing to see here folks.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377

Yeah. I posted the link before I read the PDF.

Too bad we can't get the transcript starting at 7:37 PM

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377

Well, this is something I hadn't realized: redactions?!

Can anyone speculate as to a reason for doing so and at whose direction? Seriously, why would that be done and who would do it?

Very interesting. Is such a thing common practice or only in CooperVille?

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

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Guru312

***Yeah. I posted the link before I read the PDF.

Too bad we can't get the transcript starting at 7:37 PM

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377

Well, this is something I hadn't realized: redactions?!

Can anyone speculate as to a reason for doing so and at whose direction? Seriously, why would that be done and who would do it?

Very interesting. Is such a thing common practice or only in CooperVille?

Guru, apparently ever one of the 19 redactions was done to remove information that would help locate the airliner at a specific time.

That is, there is NOTHING, repeat NOTHING, in the Seattle ATC redacted transcript of the airliner from the time it took off in Seattle until Seattle ATC handed it over to Oakland ATC that has any information on the actual location of the aircraft.

This means that the FLIGHT TRACK of the airliner cannot be determined. And the determination of the flight track is MANDATORY if any progress is going to be made in resolving the Cooper hijacking.

The Seattle ATC communications with the airliner were on public radio frequencies, anyone could listen to them and apparently quite a few people and other aircraft did. They were also routinely recorded.

In addition, the telephone talk between controllers related to the hijacked aircraft were also routinely recorded.

It is unlikely that the above communications involved legal aspects of the hijacking or law enforcement activities.

Northwest Airlines and law enforcement officers talked to the airliner on ARINC radio frequencies which serve an entirely different purpose from the air traffic control frequencies.

Robert99

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Guru, apparently ever one of the 19 redactions was done to remove information that would help locate the airliner at a specific time.
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Robert99

Because of the constant bickering and other BS in this thread, I admit to not following as closely as I have in the past and maybe I missed the speculations regarding the "why" of the redactions.

377...what do you think is the reason? Anyone else?

I find this "redaction issue" one of the more fascinating parts of the DB puzzle.

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

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Guru, apparently ever one of the 19 redactions was done to remove information that would help locate the airliner at a specific time.
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Robert99

Because of the constant bickering and other BS in this thread, I admit to not following as closely as I have in the past and maybe I missed the speculations regarding the "why" of the redactions.

377...what do you think is the reason? Anyone else?

I find this "redaction issue" one of the more fascinating parts of the DB puzzle.

I have wondered about this and I found this: http://simplyforgotus.blogspot.com/2013/07/redact-without-purpose.html

Doesn't really answer the question but interesting read.
So our questions to ponder:

Is the redaction directly related to the flight path info (as in purposefully excluded to keep public from discerning flight path? In which case you have to say...to what purpose?

Or...did those entries contain names? EDITED TO ADD: But names are included in the other documents.

Or..did those entries contain some type of information that auto triggered a redaction? The people that do the redactions, in many cases, have no special knowledge of the document. They are simply people who are following a generic procedure and are taught to redact if it looks like this or like that.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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377...what do you think is the reason [for the redaction]? Anyone else?

I don't know. I wondered if somehow they tricked Cooper into exiting over the Pacific Ocean to a certain death and wanted to conceal this, but the pressure bump and the money find argue against it.

The redaction rationale remains a mystery to me.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/emuwebwshs/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=21442

Norm Hayden's Norjack chute story as first reported by Bruce Smith appears to confirmed.

Amusing letter from fuel supplier reducing price charged from .30 a gallon to .11. Didn't want blood money prices.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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smokin99

Is the redaction directly related to the flight path info (as in purposefully excluded to keep public from discerning flight path? In which case you have to say...to what purpose?

Smokin, the redactions are directly related to the flight path information.

The only possible reason that I can see for redacting the flight path information would be that the FBI apparently felt that there was some possibility of that information being used by "concerned citizens" to track down Cooper's landing point and perhaps finding his body and the rest of the money.

But 42+ years after the fact, the money, Cooper, and much of the equipment he was wearing has returned to their natural elements and the redactions are no longer serve any purpose.

Robert99

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377

http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/emuwebwshs/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=21442

Norm Hayden's Norjack chute story as first reported by Bruce Smith appears to confirmed.

Amusing letter from fuel supplier reducing price charged from .30 a gallon to .11. Didn't want blood money prices.

377

I thought the Norm Harris document was pretty interesting:
Shades of bermuda triangle and twilight zone.
http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/emuwebwshs/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=18784

Edited to add...I especially liked the part...they asked him if he was DB Cooper and he said no so they let him board....Say What?

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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377

http://collections.washingtonhistory.org/emuwebwshs/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=21442

Norm Hayden's Norjack chute story as first reported by Bruce Smith appears to confirmed.

Amusing letter from fuel supplier reducing price charged from .30 a gallon to .11. Didn't want blood money prices.

377

A couple of other interesting items from the document you posted:

In the interoffice memo by George Harrison on Nov 26, he calls the hijacker D. B. Cooper. "Attached is a copy of the passenger list which was taken in the lounge. The name used by the hijacker was D.B. Cooper, who boarded in PDX."

It looks as if the fuel truck problems were not a stalling mechanism by the FBI.

If I read right, the FBI's money list was short by two bills?

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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This is an important read regarding all of the above postings!


Over the yrs there was one man who told me that the records where turned over to NWA and as far as he thought they had the only copy. When they were released to the FBI the information had already been redacted by NWA. He knew of no other copy of these transactions. I do not remember all the details of the conversation...and realize I really did NOT know what they meant....but IT was the transactions you guys are speaking of.

THis man was xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx who was involved in the transmissions and/or trainee or supervisor.

This goes back yrs ago and someone I was told to get in contact with. I hope I have the contact information written as there was no emails with this person and he spoke off the RECORD and that our conversation could never be repeated. FOR some reason the man felt I needed to know this.

Since he is probably deceased - I feel I can tell this...I hope I can find the name, but there is so much of this crap and I just cannot go thru it all. My communications with this man was BEFORE 2002 (believe if my time memory is serving me anymore) and before I sold my home....therefore I can only hope I made notations in my old planners.

I mentioned this before - but didn't realize it had not been finally made available....he said the only people who would have it was NWA. There was a change of command and many things just in my words went Poof!

You guys I hope realize there is so much trapped inside of my brain and being the dumb broad I am - didn't realize the records you guys are looking for were NOT part of the file you had already obtained.
I though all you geeks had obtained it all.

Until NOW! There was something said about airtraffic controllers being brought in from other parts of the country (I want to say Atlanta) & they had that end of it. Northwest REQUESTED or TOOK them (the originals)....may have been the only copy or recording available.

Wish I could remember enough of this to talk intelligently about this - but, I can't and I know you guys will say this is fabricated. BUT, I swear to you it is not....I didn't know what I was supposed to be trying to obtain from him...but, he knew. He spoke to me only because he knew who I was and told me he could loose his job if I mentioned our conversation.

Yrs later I would call that number and ask for the man - and he was not longer there.

I still do NOT know what I am talking about, but it is I believe what you guys are looking for. Nothing was ever made available other than the re-dacted information. I thought we dicussed this in the thread at one time!

Poor Blevins in his post above is so wrong - I know what you guys are looking for and there WAS no copy of the un-redacted information made. What the man said was that evidently with a change of command at N.W. or by employees that they just destroyed these old files/or recordings not realizing an un-redacted version had never been made available. He thought it odd, but it was at the Demand of N.W.

Later it seems that it may have been the insurance company that had to cover the financial loss for N.W....what ever - the original or originals were destroyed or at least never found by N.W.

Forgive the trusion - this is just DUMB BROAD memory. I think perhaps if you go back to Sluggo days - it may have been discussed at that time. NO unredacted copies survived that anyone knows of.

In retrospect has all the markings of an inside job, cover up before or after the fact and stupidity on the part of the N.W. Employees or the Insurance Company. The shift in airtraffic controllers regarding this is what go my attention - but, Hell I didn't even know what I was supposed to be looking for.

Remember Duane had a friend who was an Air Traffic Controller who worked in WA in the 70's on a temporary lone during the time of the skyjacking! THAT was odd and that I had knowledge of this only because of a comment Duane made and I didn't realize it could have been about a skyjacking - I had little to no knowledge of the crime and not something I followed in the Newspapers.

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Attached: Interview with Detlor, 1989. On pages 9-10, he says the same thing that Bill Rataczak said in his interview for Into the Blast, i.e. diving board analogy to explain how the crew knew when Cooper jumped. He said this happened during the sled test. Rataczak has said that the indicator light on the panel for the door momentarily went out, then came on again for good. Since basically this same thing happened during the sled test AND was reported by Rataczak for the actual hijacking flight, I think this is a good indicator that not only were they looking in the right area...but that the flight path is valid. And even if by some miracle the flight actually took a jog a few miles west the other side of the Interstate over Tina Bar, (seems extremely unlikely) that Cooper was long gone by that time.

Why would this be an indicator that the flight path is valid? The pressure bump is only an indicator of the time he jumped, its indication of the location of the bump is only valid if the flight path is valid - it doesn't of itself make the flight path valid.

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also says in his interview that everyone wondered why Cooper requested takeoff with the stairs down and they wondered about it for a while. I could have given him the easiest answer, because I have theorized this before. Maybe it was because Cooper wasn't planning on staying on board any longer than it took to get to jump alititude.

Actually, "a while" is probably semantics. I believe it was in Himmelsbach book that they (FBI) thought Cooper's plan was to jump sooner rather than later.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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'Poor Blevins in his post above is so wrong - I know what you guys are looking for and it there WAS no copy of un-redacted information made. What the man said was that evidently with a change of command at N.W. or by employees that they just destroyed these old files/or recordings not realizing an un-redacted version had never been made available...'

You could be right. But what is the item in the attached photo?

If that is it - WOW! I apologize! So if that is it - why do the claim there is no unredacted record.

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Attached: Interview with Detlor, 1989. On pages 9-10, he says the same thing that Bill Rataczak said in his interview for Into the Blast, i.e. diving board analogy to explain how the crew knew when Cooper jumped. He said this happened during the sled test. Rataczak has said that the indicator light on the panel for the door momentarily went out, then came on again for good. Since basically this same thing happened during the sled test AND was reported by Rataczak for the actual hijacking flight, I think this is a good indicator that not only were they looking in the right area...but that the flight path is valid. And even if by some miracle the flight actually took a jog a few miles west the other side of the Interstate over Tina Bar, (seems extremely unlikely) that Cooper was long gone by that time.

Why would this be an indicator that the flight path is valid? The pressure bump is only an indicator of the time he jumped, its indication of the location of the bump is only valid if the flight path is valid - it doesn't of itself make the flight path valid.

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also says in his interview that everyone wondered why Cooper requested takeoff with the stairs down and they wondered about it for a while. I could have given him the easiest answer, because I have theorized this before. Maybe it was because Cooper wasn't planning on staying on board any longer than it took to get to jump alititude.

Actually, "a while" is probably semantics. I believe it was in Himmelsbach book that they (FBI) thought Cooper's plan was to jump sooner rather than later.


keep in mind that Rataczak also`told the FBI that Cooper jumped 10-15 minutes after the last contact with Cooper at 8;05. all of these perfect people have not so perfect answers.....that puts Cooper out of the search area....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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