DB Cooper

[BruceSmith 3]

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"...Everyone thought the worse until Duane put his hands on the young man shoulder after the young man aplogized to Duane for being rude to me and said he had too much to drink and was going home. Duane reached out and put his hand on the young man's shoulder and said "Son, I think that is a good idea".

This is how Duane thought things thru and handled difficult situations."

Oh, Mrs. Cooper, you are much too humble. Despite the many years that you have lied to us, deceived us and teased us, you have never broken a sweat. You turn away every challenge to your latest claim, badgering everyone I know with impunity.

Could Duane do as well? I think not.

Could Duane get half of the DZ to help him with his computer glitches and "Poofs?" I doubt it.

Who really wore the pants in your marriage? Duane? Nah, you're the one who walked away with the $100 bill wrapped about the Champaign bottle on your birthday, remember.

[BruceSmith 3]

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"...Duane was probably an amateur next to Jo! Who knows why
she married that guy. Opportunity to rule something ???
She knew he was vulnerable and couldn't think for himself.

She saw an opportunity of some kind!

My guess is, 'Duane' is just a word, in this whole debacle!
It's Jo doing all the talking, not Duane, Duane is long dead -
or was that missed ?





Duh! Duane ruled the roost not me!
Vulnerable - not hardly! He could out think and out wit the best!

Duane had a very likeable personality and he had NO enemies I was aware of. He was charming and knew how to treat a woman....always protective and alway shielding....

Except for the 42 people he said he was willing to kill November 24, 1971.

[BruceSmith 3]

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"...I did NOT know myself that Tina lived in Gresham until I spoke with Mr. H...."

When you spoke with Mr. H and he told you that Tina lived in Gresham, did he also tell you why he never visited his primary witness in his biggest case even though she was a patient in the LHH and just down the road from his office and home?

[BruceSmith 3]

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"...The pictures you took and your trying to get in her door and the vulgar things you have stated - WAS that part of your investigation to include the wine bottle and your wanting to share it with her...YOU are a CREEP!..."

But I was also contemplating including some Godiva chocolates. I admit, I do have trouble wooing women.

[skyjack71 0]

See how POOR YOUR MEMMORY WAS!
I REFUSED THE 100 BILL BECAUSE I FELT HE WAS TRYING TO PICK ME UP.

2 WEEKS LATER I ACCEPT THE BILL BECAUSE I CERTAIN DIDN'T HAVE THE BUDGET TO FEED A FULL GROWN MAN ON MY MEAGER SALARY AND HE ALSO FIXED MY CAR FOR ME.

AFTER HE RETURNED FROM CAL HE LIVE WITH US UNTIL HE LEFT OF COLORADO. SEVERAL MONTHS LATER AT SPRING BREAK HE CAME BACK FOR US...HE FLEW AND DROVE 'DONNA AND I OUT IN MY CAR. THE FURNITURE HAD ALREADY LEFTFOR DENVER AND WAS ALL SET UP. EVERYTHING UN PACKED AND IN PLACE.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 249]

RobertMBlevins

************Georger says in part:

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'Well, I am glad we finally established that. Now you can stop
quoting him all the time!

As for the rest, woopie.'

Established what? That you got it wrong about saying I was interviewing Mitchell? Yes, that's established. As far as quoting Mitchell, that was strictly from Mitchell's testimony as it appears in Skyjack. So I guess you could say I was quoting Geoff Gray. You didn't get that one right either.

Woopie? You think it's easy getting to the Super Bowl?

Five bucks says you watch reruns of Orange County Housewives on game day. It's hard for me to fault you on that, though. Vicki is certainly hot.

Establish this: quote Blevins:

Didn't say I 'emailed' or 'interviewed' him. Said I sent him a
letter with several pictures and a cover letter. I did sort of stall
on that, yes. Couldn't really decide what I should say in the
cover letter. But after I was reminded about this a couple of
days ago...I finally had Gayla mail it out on Monday. He should
receive it in the next couple of days.

Said I sent him a letter with several pictures and a cover letter...

Said I sent him a letter with several pictures and a cover letter

Said I sent him a letter with several pictures and a cover letter

Said I sent him a letter with several pictures and a cover
letter

Hatred, bitterness, and sniping from the shadows never works, and your chain can be pulled as easily as I walk my cat. He's leash-trained, too.
And there IS the problem. "as easily as I walk my
cat"

People do not walk cat's, Blevins. Cats walk people!

It's known as a Random Walk.

And it explains everything you have done here at Dropzone and
elsewhere... since you and your cat entered this picture.

Take your cat off the string and stop following your cat! And
stop asking people to follow you, being walked by your cat,
in what you call Kooperland!

You are tasking people to follow your stupidity being lead by
your cat!





Well, I don't mind if you call me out on something legit. I just have a problem when you start spouting off dumb comments on something you just made up...such as my saying I would interview Mitchell. You may have gotten mixed up. I said that I thought WSHM did a piss-poor job interviewing him and didn't ask any good questions. I still believe that. I have CONSIDERED interviewing him, but I think I will leave it to just the mailing I did to him with the pictures and the letter.

The cat thing was a joke. And you deserved that joke. Hobo is a rescue cat and was fully grown when I took him in. In order to train cats to walk on a leash, you have to start by putting a harness on them when they are kittens and go from there...

well the cat joke betrayed you, if that was your MOTIVE.
But of course I don't believe anything you say, especially
excuses offered long after the fact when you've had time to
plot a way out!. You've used that technique here thousands of
times to make excuses

It's a poor joke, Blevins. Actually dumb!

Like Jo Weber, you have been on a random walk since you
surfaced here. You've both run into yourselves coming and
going many times. You're entertaining! Truth is stranger than
fiction, and you and Jo ARE street art in action. Like the people
who juggle small dogs and window fans, on the mall

Oh! Please limit your comeback to 50,000 words.

[BuckwheatFlower 0]

Hi, it's me again. I just wanted to say thanks to Bruce Smith for forwarding me a copy of his book. You've got writing skills, bro. I've done other reading on the subject as well. A very interesting case. I can see why so many of you are "hooked" on it. I don't have a lot to offer which hasn't already been covered. However, I am definitely better informed on the case, which was my goal.

The last couple of years my main area of (internet) research is the zodiac killer case. The Cooper case is something I look into when I when I run into dead ends or get frustrated with the zodiac case. So.... yeah, I read this thread often.

One thing that is strange that pops up in both cases are people who are convinced (even though no one else is) that their dead spouse (or other family member) is the culprit. Could it be a psychological condition of some kind? Not sure, as I'm not a psychologist. I generally try to ignore most posts dealing with those types of claims as they almost always deal more with personal information than anything to do with the case. However, it's a lot easier to ignore such people when there is more than one thread to read through.

Which brings up another point, it's a pity that all the good information about this case is contained in one thread on this site, and not an organized message board dedicated to the case. Don't get me wrong... it's an awesome thread, but overwhelming when looking for specific information.

Anyway, I'm rambling.... sorry. Thanks again Bruce.

[mrshutter45 21]

Jo, you seem to use Duane for what ever fits the need for the point you are making in a certain post. one post you will claim he was a nice guy. the next time you will say he was not a nice guy.

on the post above this one you claim Duane had no enemies? a con man with no enemies? I asked the same question two years ago and you said "he had no enemies during our marriage"

The bar incident sounds like a Hollywood script. unless the bar was very small with only a hand full of people I could understand everything stopping while this happened. I worked in a bar for almost 10 years and it doesn't fit the scene you play out. arguments that lead to fighting take time to build an audience in a bar. everyone was close at the bar I worked at. 80% were regulars. the crowed roaring sounds Hollywood again.

you want stories? I got plenty of them from guns, knives, bottles, glasses, chairs, darts, fire extinguishers, you name it, I've seen it. broken bones, stitches, people left in a ambulance to a Coroner's van.

all of these things Duane did are not relevant to the case like you think it is. put Duane in Portland the week of November 24, 1971. not 5 year before, or a year later. I realize that you are trying hard to build him around the Washington/Oregon area, but you have been doing this for almost 20 years Jo. Two decades, 7300 days Jo, and not much headway....Tommy gun, Paperlegs, JFK, area 51, Anglin brothers, buried dogs, CIA, Mafia. it goes on into infinity Jo. Duane was a very busy man in between long stents in prison. he has achieved more than anyone could possibly do that hasn't been locked up for years.....now that should get any crowd to ROAR.....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Jo wrote

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Duane had a very likeable personality and he had NO enemies I was aware of. He was charming and knew how to treat a woman....always protective and alway shielding.

Really? I'm sure his charmed female crime victims might have a different opinion.

Jo wrote

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Vulnerable - not hardly! He could out think and out wit the best!

That statement is demonstrably false. Duane was outwitted time after time by small town cops and has a rap sheet that proves it. If I had to rate his intelligence from his rap sheet he would be sub normal.

I understand your need to portray Duane as a smart compassionate capable person, but that has no place here, especially when it flys in the face of indisputable facts.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

From Bruces Mountain News article.

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Robb said that if DB Cooper was a skilled skydiver, such as he was, he would be best served if he jumped like Robb: jump from the bottom step, arch your way through the tumble as you encountered the slip-stream – and Robb said his 727 was probably going at 350 mph, so the whole notion of using Cooper metrics (slow the plane to 175 mph, lower the landing gear, wings flaps at 15 degrees) didn’t seem so important.

Robb stressed that once you stabilize, you will soon be moving at terminal velocity – about 120 mph – which makes the whole issue of too much stress on parachutes to be mute. Robb jumped with a 24-foot reserve chute that had a round canopy. He wore it under clothes and the flight crew never saw it.

When he jumped, he knew the pilots weren’t following his flight plan and he was far from his intended LZ, so he had to dive toward Washoe Lake and his car and went into a tuck that reached about 220 mph, he estimated. He got to the edge of Washoe Lake, but the western shore and not the eastern one where his car was parked.

Robb pulled at 1,000 feet above the ground as he saw it rush up. He had no goggles and seemed surprised that we asked.

He got really hammered when the chute opened, and since he was so close to the ground he had only about 5 seconds before he hit, too soon to get his bearings.

As it turned out he landed on a highway near the lake shore. Since he was using a reserve and it was sitting on his abdomen, the risers were in front of him and not behind, so he was leaning a little backwards when he hit the ground. As a result he was a little off balance and he fell backwards hard, banging his elbow. The hard landing made it hard to walk, too.

Damn! That was one gutsy jump. Exit at an estimated 350 mph, tumble, stabilize, pull so close to the ground that your hang time is about five seconds... and with only a chest reserve with a 24 ft unsleeved canopy, no altimeter, no goggles.

Makes all my jumps seem like walks in the park, even my two cutaways.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[mrshutter45 21]

"Duane had a very likeable personality"

That's a Con Man's #1 weapon! most of the time they act as someone else, to persuade, charm, gain trust. the good one's are hard to see. most of the time it's to late, by then he's long gone.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[georger 249]

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Jo wrote

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Duane had a very likeable personality and he had NO enemies I was aware of. He was charming and knew how to treat a woman....always protective and alway shielding.

Really? I'm sure his charmed female crime victims might have a different opinion.

Jo wrote***Vulnerable - not hardly! He could out think and out wit the best!

That statement is demonstrably false. Duane was outwitted time after time by small town cops and has a rap sheet that proves it. If I had to rate his intelligence from his rap sheet he would be sub normal.

I understand your need to portray Duane as a smart compassionate capable person, but that has no place here, especially when it flys in the face of indisputable facts.

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Jo will IGNORE every word said. That's her job.

SELL THAT PROPERTY - NOW! TO HELL WITH THE VICTIMS.

TAKE THE PROFITS AND RUN ... and the best part is:

BY THE END, JO WILL CLAIM EVERYONE IS COMPLICIT

AND SHE DOES NOTHING WRONG - BECAUSE EVERYONE IS

GUILTY AND DOING IT TOO!!

Fact is, there isn't one, not one, piece of hard evidence to
support Duane Weber was DB Cooper. Not one single piece of
corroborating evidence including the so-called 'hospital
confession'. Not even supposed testimony from anyone else,
of the kind Blevins says he has! NOTHING! It's all Jo's word
and nothing more.

[MarkBennett 5]

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From Bruces Mountain News article.

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Robb said that if DB Cooper was a skilled skydiver, such as he was, he would be best served if he jumped like Robb: jump from the bottom step, arch your way through the tumble as you encountered the slip-stream – and Robb said his 727 was probably going at 350 mph, so the whole notion of using Cooper metrics (slow the plane to 175 mph, lower the landing gear, wings flaps at 15 degrees) didn’t seem so important.

Robb stressed that once you stabilize, you will soon be moving at terminal velocity – about 120 mph – which makes the whole issue of too much stress on parachutes to be mute. Robb jumped with a 24-foot reserve chute that had a round canopy. He wore it under clothes and the flight crew never saw it.

When he jumped, he knew the pilots weren’t following his flight plan and he was far from his intended LZ, so he had to dive toward Washoe Lake and his car and went into a tuck that reached about 220 mph, he estimated. He got to the edge of Washoe Lake, but the western shore and not the eastern one where his car was parked.

Robb pulled at 1,000 feet above the ground as he saw it rush up. He had no goggles and seemed surprised that we asked.

He got really hammered when the chute opened, and since he was so close to the ground he had only about 5 seconds before he hit, too soon to get his bearings.

As it turned out he landed on a highway near the lake shore. Since he was using a reserve and it was sitting on his abdomen, the risers were in front of him and not behind, so he was leaning a little backwards when he hit the ground. As a result he was a little off balance and he fell backwards hard, banging his elbow. The hard landing made it hard to walk, too.

Damn! That was one gutsy jump. Exit at an estimated 350 mph, tumble, stabilize, pull so close to the ground that your hang time is about five seconds... and with only a chest reserve with a 24 ft unsleeved canopy, no altimeter, no goggles.

Makes all my jumps seem like walks in the park, even my two cutaways.

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Too bad you couldn't make it up to the symposium and Ariel in 2013. Robb was a really nice guy and very willing to answer any questions. You, as a jumper, would have enjoyed talking to him.

[BruceSmith 3]

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From Bruces Mountain News article.

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Robb said that if DB Cooper was a skilled skydiver, such as he was, he would be best served if he jumped like Robb: jump from the bottom step, arch your way through the tumble as you encountered the slip-stream – and Robb said his 727 was probably going at 350 mph, so the whole notion of using Cooper metrics (slow the plane to 175 mph, lower the landing gear, wings flaps at 15 degrees) didn’t seem so important.

Robb stressed that once you stabilize, you will soon be moving at terminal velocity – about 120 mph – which makes the whole issue of too much stress on parachutes to be mute. Robb jumped with a 24-foot reserve chute that had a round canopy. He wore it under clothes and the flight crew never saw it.

When he jumped, he knew the pilots weren’t following his flight plan and he was far from his intended LZ, so he had to dive toward Washoe Lake and his car and went into a tuck that reached about 220 mph, he estimated. He got to the edge of Washoe Lake, but the western shore and not the eastern one where his car was parked.

Robb pulled at 1,000 feet above the ground as he saw it rush up. He had no goggles and seemed surprised that we asked.

He got really hammered when the chute opened, and since he was so close to the ground he had only about 5 seconds before he hit, too soon to get his bearings.

As it turned out he landed on a highway near the lake shore. Since he was using a reserve and it was sitting on his abdomen, the risers were in front of him and not behind, so he was leaning a little backwards when he hit the ground. As a result he was a little off balance and he fell backwards hard, banging his elbow. The hard landing made it hard to walk, too.

Damn! That was one gutsy jump. Exit at an estimated 350 mph, tumble, stabilize, pull so close to the ground that your hang time is about five seconds... and with only a chest reserve with a 24 ft unsleeved canopy, no altimeter, no goggles.

Makes all my jumps seem like walks in the park, even my two cutaways.

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I think you would really enjoy Robb's company, Three-Seven-Seven. Maybe we should have a Cooper Day in the Bay Area some time, eh?

[BruceSmith 3]

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"...Makes all my jumps seem like walks in the park, even my two cutaways.

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Two cutaways? Does your mother know what you do for fun in life?

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BruceSmith

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"...Makes all my jumps seem like walks in the park, even my two cutaways.

377"

Two cutaways? Does your mother know what you do for fun in life?

My Mom was a parachute packer in WW2. She said if I packed like she did I never would have had any need for cutaways. She just couldn't believe how sloppily skydivers packed their round canopies. "Appalling" is the word she used.

Actually I packed my surplus C9 round canopy very neatly by skydiver standards but my Mom was not at all impressed. She proceeded to demonstrate how the skirt sections should be "dressed" after the panels were flaked. It looked picture perfect but I doubt if it served any useful function other than a cosmetic one.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[EVickiW 0]

MarkBennett

***From Bruces Mountain News article.

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Robb said that if DB Cooper was a skilled skydiver, such as he was, he would be best served if he jumped like Robb: jump from the bottom step, arch your way through the tumble as you encountered the slip-stream – and Robb said his 727 was probably going at 350 mph, so the whole notion of using Cooper metrics (slow the plane to 175 mph, lower the landing gear, wings flaps at 15 degrees) didn’t seem so important.

Robb stressed that once you stabilize, you will soon be moving at terminal velocity – about 120 mph – which makes the whole issue of too much stress on parachutes to be mute. Robb jumped with a 24-foot reserve chute that had a round canopy. He wore it under clothes and the flight crew never saw it.

When he jumped, he knew the pilots weren’t following his flight plan and he was far from his intended LZ, so he had to dive toward Washoe Lake and his car and went into a tuck that reached about 220 mph, he estimated. He got to the edge of Washoe Lake, but the western shore and not the eastern one where his car was parked.

Robb pulled at 1,000 feet above the ground as he saw it rush up. He had no goggles and seemed surprised that we asked.

He got really hammered when the chute opened, and since he was so close to the ground he had only about 5 seconds before he hit, too soon to get his bearings.

As it turned out he landed on a highway near the lake shore. Since he was using a reserve and it was sitting on his abdomen, the risers were in front of him and not behind, so he was leaning a little backwards when he hit the ground. As a result he was a little off balance and he fell backwards hard, banging his elbow. The hard landing made it hard to walk, too.

Damn! That was one gutsy jump. Exit at an estimated 350 mph, tumble, stabilize, pull so close to the ground that your hang time is about five seconds... and with only a chest reserve with a 24 ft unsleeved canopy, no altimeter, no goggles.

Makes all my jumps seem like walks in the park, even my two cutaways.

377

Too bad you couldn't make it up to the symposium and Ariel in 2013. Robb was a really nice guy and very willing to answer any questions. You, as a jumper, would have enjoyed talking to him.

I found a picture of Bruce, Geoffrey and Robb on my phone.......

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

[BruceSmith 3]

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"My Mom was a parachute packer in WW2. She said if I packed like she did I never would have had any need for cutaways. She just couldn't believe how sloppily skydivers packed their round canopies. "Appalling" is the word she used.

Actually I packed my surplus C9 round canopy very neatly by skydiver standards but my Mom was not at all impressed. She proceeded to demonstrate how the skirt sections should be "dressed" after the panels were flaked. It looked picture perfect but I doubt if it served any useful function other than a cosmetic one.

377"

You mom sounds like a great lady. Congrats.

[georger 249]

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"...Makes all my jumps seem like walks in the park, even my two cutaways.

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Two cutaways? Does your mother know what you do for fun in life?

My Mom was a parachute packer in WW2. She said if I packed like she did I never would have had any need for cutaways. She just couldn't believe how sloppily skydivers packed their round canopies. "Appalling" is the word she used.

Actually I packed my surplus C9 round canopy very neatly by skydiver standards but my Mom was not at all impressed. She proceeded to demonstrate how the skirt sections should be "dressed" after the panels were flaked. It looked picture perfect but I doubt if it served any useful function other than a cosmetic one.

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Bless your mom! And someone with equal passion taught her!

By the numbers...

As a kid, were your shirts and pants clean and pressed?

Would you have passed Inspection at Wentworth?

[airtwardo 7]

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Not even supposed testimony from anyone else...

Don't forget 'bout Mr. Credible Bob Koss?

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[ParrotheadVol 70]

BuckwheatFlower

Hi, it's me again. I just wanted to say thanks to Bruce Smith for forwarding me a copy of his book. You've got writing skills, bro. I've done other reading on the subject as well. A very interesting case. I can see why so many of you are "hooked" on it. I don't have a lot to offer which hasn't already been covered. However, I am definitely better informed on the case, which was my goal.

The last couple of years my main area of (internet) research is the zodiac killer case. The Cooper case is something I look into when I when I run into dead ends or get frustrated with the zodiac case. So.... yeah, I read this thread often.

One thing that is strange that pops up in both cases are people who are convinced (even though no one else is) that their dead spouse (or other family member) is the culprit. Could it be a psychological condition of some kind? Not sure, as I'm not a psychologist. I generally try to ignore most posts dealing with those types of claims as they almost always deal more with personal information than anything to do with the case. However, it's a lot easier to ignore such people when there is more than one thread to read through.

Which brings up another point, it's a pity that all the good information about this case is contained in one thread on this site, and not an organized message board dedicated to the case. Don't get me wrong... it's an awesome thread, but overwhelming when looking for specific information.

Anyway, I'm rambling.... sorry. Thanks again Bruce.

Is there an Dropzone equivalent for the Zodiac Killer case? I'm interested in that one as well, and also Jack the Ripper. But, I've read far more and have much greater interest in Ol' Dan Cooper. Thanks.

"They were saying he was never gonna make it now, now that daylight had set in. But later that night, they were shining those lights back down on that mountain again." - Todd Snider

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mrshutter45

Jo, you seem to use Duane for what ever fits the need for the point you are making in a certain post. one post you will claim he was a nice guy. the next time you will say he was not a nice guy.

on the post above this one you claim Duane had no enemies? a con man with no enemies? I asked the same question two years ago and you said "he had no enemies during our marriage"

The bar incident sounds like a Hollywood script. unless the bar was very small with only a hand full of people I could understand everything stopping while this happened. I worked in a bar for almost 10 years and it doesn't fit the scene you play out. arguments that lead to fighting take time to build an audience in a bar. everyone was close at the bar I worked at. 80% were regulars. the crowed roaring sounds Hollywood again.

you want stories? I got plenty of them from guns, knives, bottles, glasses, chairs, darts, fire extinguishers, you name it, I've seen it. broken bones, stitches, people left in a ambulance to a Coroner's van.

all of these things Duane did are not relevant to the case like you think it is. put Duane in Portland the week of November 24, 1971. not 5 year before, or a year later. I realize that you are trying hard to build him around the Washington/Oregon area, but you have been doing this for almost 20 years Jo. Two decades, 7300 days Jo, and not much headway....Tommy gun, Paperlegs, JFK, area 51, Anglin brothers, buried dogs, CIA, Mafia. it goes on into infinity Jo. Duane was a very busy man in between long stents in prison. he has achieved more than anyone could possibly do that hasn't been locked up for years.....now that should get any crowd to ROAR.....

Regardless of what you may THINK that bar was PACKED that night and it went down as I have said. It was a small bar and most were locals...Remember the old stored town buildings that were long and narrow - this IS how the bar was arranged.

As you entered the door the short end of the bar was there and to the right was the musicians. The steel guitar man's name was RICK and the singer was his wife Elaine.

THEY SENT DUANE A GOLD PAINTED SREWDRIVER (WHICH I STILL HAVE) FOR CHRISMAS, BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT UNTIL THE NEW YRS.
RICK SAID HE COULDN'T FIND A SCREWDRIVER AS BIG AS DUANE HAD USED!

The long end of the bar went the lenght of the room and with tables on the Right side - 3 tables from the isle to the wall deep and the lenght to the restroom I would estimate to be 26/30 plus feet.

The rest room was down on the right. These guys had the only access to the restroom blocked and I say "Excuse me". Instead of being nice and making room for me to past - one of the them said "Fuck You". I turned and walked back to the front and Duane asked me what happened. I told him exactly what I have just written.

The scene went down EXACTLY as I have stated. The man had made his statement loud enough others had heard him. They watched Duane GLARING at the man and exit the building. The man who was playing the steel guitar asked me where he went - I probably shrugged my shoulders.

A few moments later Duane walked back in. He was wearing his leather jacket which was golden saddle Tan. The bulge was obvious. THE BAR WENT SILENT!
DEAD SILENT. I think they thought he had a GUN. Duane just continued to GLARE at the man and his friends were talking to him.

He came forward very timidly and said the exact words I have said before. Duane was much taller than this young man. Duane put his hands on the young man's shoulder after he apologized and Duane's words "Son I think that would be a good idea". He may have said Son last but those are the words. AFTER he walked out of the BAR - DUANE REMOVED THIS HUGE SCREW DRIVER FROM THE RIGHT SIDE OF HIS JACKET AND PUT IT ON THE BAR. THE BAR ROARED.

If someone had dropped a glass or moved a chair I think everyone in that BAR would have dropped to the ground. THERE was NOT one word said by anyone WHEN Duane put his hand on the young man's shoulder. Duane's voice carried well - I swear even the bartender didn't move. NO one moved. THat room stood still!

I believe the name of the town was Loveland, but I would have to find a CO map to be sure.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[MarkBennett 5]

ParrotheadVol

Is there an Dropzone equivalent for the Zodiac Killer case?

Not unless Duane Weber was a suspect!

[skyjack71 0]

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Jo wrote

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Duane had a very likeable personality and he had NO enemies I was aware of. He was charming and knew how to treat a woman....always protective and alway shielding.

Really? I'm sure his charmed female crime victims might have a different opinion.

Jo wrote***Vulnerable - not hardly! He could out think and out wit the best!

That statement is demonstrably false. Duane was outwitted time after time by small town cops and has a rap sheet that proves it. If I had to rate his intelligence from his rap sheet he would be sub normal.

I understand your need to portray Duane as a smart compassionate capable person, but that has no place here, especially when it flys in the face of indisputable facts.

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You are deliberately trying to mix the past (what Duane was like before I ever met him) and the present.

I do KNOW after the fact that Duane did some horrible things - but, I also have the opinion that stealing $5 from a woman in a bar who was cheating on her husband away at war was wrong. She got what she deserved...how did she explain this to her husband?

Duane went to a federal prison for it. WHAT is fair about that. I do realize the $5. would be more in today's dollars, but if you are acting like a whore you get what you deserve. I do not know the story, but that Duane supposedly stole a $5. federal check and cashed it. Today - both sides of the story would have been presented...but it was WAR time in 1943. Duane did steal and he was a supposedly trouble boy - which was his childhood history as related to me by his sister would indicate.

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"...You have backtracked a bit on Duane knowing where Tina lived and that's probably the best I can hope for from you...

"...No Back Tracking on Tina - that is how it has been from day one - I never changed!..."

Sounds like you might be in a tight spot, now, Mrs. Cooper. Tina didn't "live and work" in Gresham. She was a patient in a nursing home/assisted-living facility there.

Bruce - I think you need to divulge your sources. If an employee of the Lutheran said that this they are in violation of the privacy laws. Tina is still living and a viable human being, but you make her past sound sordid and convoluted. YOU prefer to complicate her life more than has been done by the media in the past.

YOU and the creeping things you talk about are discusting. YOU seem to think NO one has any privacy and that their lives should be public base on WHAT you say.

If the guys in this thread do NOT know how you have taken details and converted them into a stories that are demeaning and harmfully abusive regarding Tina ...then they also bear responsibility for your actions.

YOU say sick things about people and individuals.. You demean others for profit and to promote yourself. This makes you one of the lowest forms of life on this planet.

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