DB Cooper

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georger

If all of the above true, he should have known (realised) that civilian aircraft had a different control panel for the aft stairs than the military 727s he had experience with.

How many degrees of separation are allowable?

There is nothing to suggest that Cooper had any experience with civilian 727 aircraft.

But he had experience with or at least access to the flight performance manuals of 727 aircraft. The performance manuals of the Southeast Asia aircraft would probably have been the same as the airline 727s.

If he had access to the systems manuals covering the civilian 727 aircraft he probably would not have needed Tina to show him how to lower the aft stairs. He would have studied the aft stairs activation in advance.

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georger

******

Presumably Sheridan failed the dna test. The smoke and mirrors
and what-ifs are irrelevant. I doubt literary historians are going
to spend much time unraveling his words and intentions, as a
representative of the 'post-Alex Trebeck Neo Zoom Weavie
Imitator Movement.' Unless of course someone finds out he has
two hearts, three gizards, and the dna of a swan? Anything is
possible at Camp Grenada!
.....

Whatever the hell a "post-Alex Trebeck Neo Zoom Weavie Imitator Movement" is, I will leave for any junior cryptologists out there to decipher.
As for now, one can hardly deny that the life story of Sheridan Peterson and his family history, would make a good read - even without Cooper or the three gizzards.

Set up the historical background of a family with deep roots in the East and then to Calif wine vineyards...then see a youngster from a prominent family put in a place called St Vincent's Orphan Asylum at age 11 - 15 by his mother after the abusive father leaves. Add to that everything else that happened throughout his life after he left home and joined the Marines.

In his Homecoming article/bio he says that he has written about some of his exploits - maybe he or someone will see the way to having it published one day.

lol....this is for anyone who hasn't read the whole thread.....http://www.smartvoter.org/2006/11/07/ca/sn/vote/peterson_s/paper3.html

I sense tension.

Either he has three gizzards or he doesn't! It's a technical
issue sublimely amenable to direct empiracle measurement,
as opposed to the dialectal sublimations which compose course
147:302 "The Post-Alex Trebeck Neo Zoom Weavie Movement".

I assure you Celebrity Authors know the difference, as measured
on the 'Hawthorn-to-Steinbeck scale'. Tom Kaye knows what
I'm talking about! Consult Tom.

Granted, its very airy-fairy and artsy craftsy.

I need to go shower and rub my back with a wire brush to get
ready for dinner and the theatre tonight, like Daniel Webster
and Abraham Lincoln did.



You sense wrong, Georger. But you can still scrub extra hard as a favor to me.

My point, which you would have gotten had you not been inclined to partake in a drive by shooting to get you in the mood for your night of frivolity, was that it really doesn't matter if he had 3 gizzards. Immaterial, moot, not pertinent - since he doesn't really need them to be an object of literary and/or historical curiosity. No need to consult. I've got this one covered on my own.

Have a good evening. And make sure the door to the box is locked.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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377

The Southern Air Transport 727 used by Air America in Thailand for the jump tests was not a military aircraft. The military did own a few 727s but this wasn't one of them.

It appears that the stairs were actually removed if you look carefully at the videos and photos of the Thailand jumps.

It would be interesting to try a FOIA request to get a look at govt. documents relating to the Boeing flight tests with the stairs deployed. If they did take off tests with the stairs down it might tell us something about where Cooper got the info that it could be done.

I have seen no evidence that the Thailand jump test 727 ever took off with stairs deployed. It appears that the stairs were removed for those tests.

377

I didn't say that the Southeast Asia 727s were "military aircraft". But they were modified by Boeing and flight tests were conducted on those modifications. That doesn't make the aircraft "military".

While I have seen pictures of Air America 727s taxing with the aft stairs down, I have not seen a picture of them taking off of flying with the stairs down in the same manner they were for the FBI tests after the hijacking.

However, Cooper plainly told Tina that he knew the 727 could take off with that stair down.

Robert99

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Robert99

***The Southern Air Transport 727 used by Air America in Thailand for the jump tests was not a military aircraft. The military did own a few 727s but this wasn't one of them.

It appears that the stairs were actually removed if you look carefully at the videos and photos of the Thailand jumps.

It would be interesting to try a FOIA request to get a look at govt. documents relating to the Boeing flight tests with the stairs deployed. If they did take off tests with the stairs down it might tell us something about where Cooper got the info that it could be done.

I have seen no evidence that the Thailand jump test 727 ever took off with stairs deployed. It appears that the stairs were removed for those tests.

377

I didn't say that the Southeast Asia 727s were "military aircraft". But they were modified by Boeing and flight tests were conducted on those modifications. That doesn't make the aircraft "military".

While I have seen pictures of Air America 727s taxing with the aft stairs down, I have not seen a picture of them taking off of flying with the stairs down in the same manner they were for the FBI tests after the hijacking.

However, Cooper plainly told Tina that he knew the 727 could take off with that stair down.

Robert99

See Video after the story..... edited to add > this was after 71 but it's interesting video.....

http://fromtheflightdeck.com/Reviews/727/World727/

....looking for the rest of the video....

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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smokin99

******The Southern Air Transport 727 used by Air America in Thailand for the jump tests was not a military aircraft. The military did own a few 727s but this wasn't one of them.

It appears that the stairs were actually removed if you look carefully at the videos and photos of the Thailand jumps.

It would be interesting to try a FOIA request to get a look at govt. documents relating to the Boeing flight tests with the stairs deployed. If they did take off tests with the stairs down it might tell us something about where Cooper got the info that it could be done.

I have seen no evidence that the Thailand jump test 727 ever took off with stairs deployed. It appears that the stairs were removed for those tests.

377

I didn't say that the Southeast Asia 727s were "military aircraft". But they were modified by Boeing and flight tests were conducted on those modifications. That doesn't make the aircraft "military".

While I have seen pictures of Air America 727s taxing with the aft stairs down, I have not seen a picture of them taking off of flying with the stairs down in the same manner they were for the FBI tests after the hijacking.

However, Cooper plainly told Tina that he knew the 727 could take off with that stair down.

Robert99

See Video after the story..... edited to add > this was after 71 but it's interesting video.....

http://fromtheflightdeck.com/Reviews/727/World727/

....looking for the rest of the video....

Smokin,

A few decades ago, the Israeli's had a sudden opportunity to fly Jewish refugees from Ethiopia to Israel. The Israelis used every aircraft available to them including El Al aircraft.

They removed the seats and really packed the people in and I think one aircraft (maybe an early 747) had more than 500 people on board. At one point, every aircraft available to the Israelis was airborne.

The end result? The Israelis got the job done in record time and safely.

The orphan airlift in Southeast Asia was chaos with everyone trying to get out of the country. The Israelis were just bring home some of their relatives.

Robert99

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377

The Southern Air Transport 727 used by Air America in Thailand for the jump tests was not a military aircraft. The military did own a few 727s but this wasn't one of them.

It appears that the stairs were actually removed if you look carefully at the videos and photos of the Thailand jumps.

It would be interesting to try a FOIA request to get a look at govt. documents relating to the Boeing flight tests with the stairs deployed. If they did take off tests with the stairs down it might tell us something about where Cooper got the info that it could be done.

I have seen no evidence that the Thailand jump test 727 ever took off with stairs deployed. It appears that the stairs were removed for those tests.

377

"I have seen no evidence that the Thailand jump test 727 ever took off with stairs deployed. It appears that the stairs were removed for those tests."

correct, and it appears sheet metal was installed over the stairs that were attached to the plane so cargo or personnel could safely exit out of the plane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrqdmXxBZjI

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[airtwardo 7]

Curious whether 'all' airstair control panels are the same...do they possibly vary from Boeing customer to customer?

I know specific cabin & cockpit layouts vary from carrier to carrier, wonder if the where & how regarding the panel may have been different than Cooper maybe had experience with...

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[mrshutter45 21]

I think this is the vid you were looking for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eC73rZPH3Q

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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mrshutter45

I think this is the vid you were looking for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eC73rZPH3Q

Yeah, I had just found it myself. wow.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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smokin99

***I think this is the vid you were looking for?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eC73rZPH3Q

Yeah, I had just found it myself. wow.

Off subject but this is a powerful video if you're interested in history...."Last to Leave, the Fall of Saigon"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuYaKVcYLyM

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

[mrshutter45 21]

airtwardo

Curious whether 'all' airstair control panels are the same...do they possibly vary from Boeing customer to customer?

I know specific cabin & cockpit layouts vary from carrier to carrier, wonder if the where & how regarding the panel may have been different than Cooper maybe had experience with...

I think the ground crew opens/closes the stairs from the outside. I don't know if any had access to the stairs thru the cockpit. I haven't seen any. Isn't the inside lever for emergency use?

video showing the access to the stairs outside..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjXB1Y9kISg

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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airtwardo

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I think he has a responsibility to society and all taxpayers to communicate on a case that he is intimately familiar with. After all, we paid him - and continue to pay him in a pension - to deliver a measure of justice. I don't think he is keeping his end of the bargain.

Really Bruce?

I was trying to give ya the benefit of doubt regarding the issue of your ethics in journalism...but I think you're way off base if that's how you really feel.

A civil servant has just as much right to privacy as any 'normal' citizen...a RETIRED one so much the more.

Brings to mind the discussions about Neal Armstrong - Journalists always pined that 'we taxpayers' spent a pretty shiny dime sending him to the moon, he OWES us and the American people interviews, access, autographs...on & on.

Well...NO he did NOT. He was simply a man hired o do a job, nowhere in the job description did it say anything about 'owing reporters' access to his life ~ ESPECIALLY during retirement.


Your thinking on this is rather convoluted, and what's REALLY scary is you don't seem to know it.

The pen is a pretty mighty tool. Thing is, like any tool it can be used to build or tear down.

When you attempt to use it for retribution against someone merely wishing to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed rights...that's crossing a line of both ethics & decency.

Your comment surprises me, and not in a good way. I urge you to reconsider that line of thinking.

AH! So now the blind can see!
JO has been dealing with his fabrication for long time!! NO wonder I am off my Rocker!

It is called Spoiled Child Syndrome!
Usually a boy who was the last born.

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Robert99

***Robert99

Those ATC transcripts were acquired by NW as they claimed they need them for insurance purposes, but supposedly PDX had a copy - a bunch of shit went missing.
. . . . . . . . . .

Explain why the FBI felt it was necessary to remove that information from the radio transcripts?
. . . . . . . . . .

Jo, I have deleted a lot of your extraneous remarks from the above post.

There were many copies made of the original Seattle ATC radio transcripts related to the hijacked flight. In fact, the FBI's copy was not the original one. The Xerox copiers were in mass production prior to the hijacking.


Robert99

So - maybe there was originals with nothing redacted or removed~!

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[Robert99 50]

skyjack71

It is called Spoiled Child Syndrome!
Usually a boy who was the last born.

Jo, You are hereby being put on notice that your insults have reached the point where defensive action is required and will be taken if necessary!

As a last born boy, I was NOT spoiled! Your continued outbursts along that line will result in complaints to Quade! You have been warned!

Robert99

[Robert99 50]

skyjack71

So - maybe there was originals with nothing redacted or removed~!

Jo, is the above statement original with you? Is it covered by your copyright? Have you had post-doc courses in logic?

Robert99

[airtwardo 7]

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As a last born boy, I was NOT spoiled!

Same here, last born means I came to the party when the fun was over and the hangover had set in!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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BruceSmith

Much of this is in a grey area, just as what my responsibility is to be truthful, determined, and yet not be a bully.

Truthful! Shocked - remember when we first were in contact with each other!

You do NOT know the meaning of the word TRUTH unless everyone agrees you. I stood my ground against you and at that time you had NO knowledge of 99.9% of the information you have acquired since coming to this thread.

Even in the one line of your post - what you say is TELLING! YOU are a bully and have been since DAY one.

You tried to BULLY me in WA & since the day I first spoke to you. You have bullied others and me in this thread when their opinions were opposing you. I stood my ground!

HOW come you have NEVER made mention of the place I found - you told the story about the process, but NOT one time acknowledge if you went back and found or investigated what was there! I am sure you conveyed this information to Cook and to others....even your misrepresentations about Cook are evident - YOU need to read the emails I exchanged with Cook.

I was informed some associates of Cook have been to that site. The only way he could find it was if you told him. Is he also making that site part of HIS story?

You claimed in the thread that I called you a SNEAKY SNAKE. EVERYone here KNOWS that is my opinion of COOK! Sneaky snakes are not bullies - unless one refuses to agree with them.

YOU have done some good work and some good writings - but this is a crime and you NEED to keep your personal contorted opinions out of the characters. You interview someone and then insult them if they refuse to give you the answer you want. When it comes to technical points you SHOULD run a draft past the person you interviewed to be sure the facts are correct. I gave you that advice many yrs ago - but, do NOT know if you ever did it.

YOU don't think you OWE the interviewee anything - YOU owe them accuracy and to set aside YOUR PERSONAL opinions about the person. YOU add SICK contorted remarks regarding the individual you interview - HOW man time HAVE you been CALLED on this. Usually the person you interviewed NEVER was given an opportunity to correct your errors and others have had to do that.

ANY way you CUT it THAT is a BULLY!

YOU retelling something someone told you - never gets into the written word the way IT REALLY WAS! And you wonder why some individuals will NOT talk to you or allow you to interview them!

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[Robert99 50]

airtwardo

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As a last born boy, I was NOT spoiled!

Same here, last born means I came to the party when the fun was over and the hangover had set in!

Exactly!

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Robert99

***

It is called Spoiled Child Syndrome!
Usually a boy who was the last born.

Jo, You are hereby being put on notice that your insults have reached the point where defensive action is required and will be taken if necessary!

As a last born boy, I was NOT spoiled! Your continued outbursts along that line will result in complaints to Quade! You have been warned!

Robert99

What are you talking about - I said BRUCE had spoiled Child syndrome. NOT you. How did that get twisted around to you, Robert. The sydrome is found mostly in the last born of Male of at least 4 siblings with the first three being female.

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377

How did he know? Ex Boeing employee? Connected to the Air America Thailand 727 jump tests.

Maybe he didn't know, but his detailed aircraft configuration commands strongly suggest otherwise.

So few did know. Not one crew member knew. NWA flight ops didn't know. Seems like this could narrow the suspect list.

(portions edited out to be brief)

Is it possible that such a suspicious guy had nothing to do with Norjack? Absolutely yes. Same with Mayfield, Braden, Collins and many others who had the right stuff.

That's what makes the Cooper vortex so compelling and maddening.

Carry on. Rant over.

377

Well, if Cooper was around certain individuals and had personal contacts with them and had been provided with limited training on the type chute he used - he could most certainly have made that jump.

You guys have continuely ignored Weber's family connections to Boeing and the friends of the family who assisted with the Boeing 727 jumps before they were ever utilized.

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Robert99

***

So - maybe there was originals with nothing redacted or removed~!

Jo, is the above statement original with you? Is it covered by your copyright? Have you had post-doc courses in logic?

Robert99

Note swiggle on the quote.

I said Bruce had the Spoiled Child Syndorme NOT you.

YOU, Robert 99 remind me of my brother and he did not have Spoiled Child Sydrome. Georger knows who my bother is but he hasn't figured it out yet.

The conversation you guys have been having tonight made me remember something. I am sending 377 a Private email telling him where to find the papers - papers that I hope will prove certain experiments where done and I am not aware of their being Govt experiments - I do not know whose payroll the person was on, but probably Boeing.

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"You guys have continuely ignored Weber's family connections to Boeing and the friends of the family who assisted with the Boeing 727 jumps before they were ever utilized."

Jo, you have never proven anything other than what you have written on this thread. everything you try and prove has a clause of "nobody knows where it went" "the records are missing" etc.

what Boeing 727 jump tests are you talking about?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[Robert99 50]

skyjack71

I said Bruce had the Spoiled Child Syndorme NOT you.

Jo, same difference either way. Any more of this nonsense and I'll rat you out to Quade!

Robert99

[BruceSmith 3]

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"...YOU don't think you OWE the interviewee anything - YOU owe them accuracy and to set aside YOUR PERSONAL opinions about the person..."

Not true, Mrs. Cooper. In fact, I sent you a copy of my writing about you for your review, as I have done with all my interviews that I have the capacity to get in touch with.

Usually that means an email address. My standard operating principal is to share a draft with all my interviewees for the sake of gaining greater acccuracy. I do not give anyone editing power or the ability to cancel or delete anything, only to clarify the truth of what they have said to me.

Sometimes, such as with Carol Abracadabra, the revisions can be quite extensive. Others, such as yourself, their requests to change what I wrote were denied. In your case I refused because what you asked of me, in my judgement, was a request to white-wash what you have long told me.

For a few, their vascilations go in the book as just that - they told me one thing in 2010 and another wholly contradictory account three years later, as in the case of Don Burnworth's daughter. In her case I provide both accounts that she has given me.

A handful, such as Nick O'Hara, go in with a detailed account of the dialogue of his effort to stonewall me.

The rule is, and I did not make this rule but I fully understand it, is that the author always gets the last word. That's the way it is. You may not like it, but as I have often told you I believe strongly that you should write your own book and tell your story just way you want it. That way you get the last word on your account of your husband's journey.

Truly Mrs Cooper, I doubt you will ever find any serious writer who will write your story just the way you would like it written.

At this point, I doubt that your husband ever said anything about Dan Cooper, DB Cooper, or any skyjacking. You have never offered any proof that he said what you claim he did. But you have a great story, so keep the pen moving!

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Robert99

***

I said Bruce had the Spoiled Child Syndorme NOT you.

Jo, same difference either way. Any more of this nonsense and I'll rat you out to Quade!

Robert99
REPORT!
FOR WHAT?
I did was make a post explaining my experience with him over the yrs. You have not dealt with him as long as I have and that has been yrs. On this thread and by phone.

I explained my experience with him, but it is OKAY for him to continuely bash me and say things that are NOT true - I am supposed to sit here and just TAKE it. Have you read the things he say about me in his book and on this thread and on his site?

Have you read the things he says about Tina? Do you condon his actions? Obviously. Anything I say is MILD compared to what other say.

I tried to watch the videos - but dial-up takes 30 min to down load in snippets some thing that last 6 minutes.

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