DB Cooper

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airtwardo

I think I may have bought a BUNCH of beer for a bullshit artist!

LOL...wouldn't be the first time.

In the late 1960s, an older guy showed up on my drop zone and said he wanted to make a jump. I asked if he had ever jumped. He answered, "Yeah, a few at a bunch of different drop zones."

After he said he had a log book, I told him to get his gear on, bring his log book and to meet at the PLF platform. He came strolling over wearing some really old coveralls with cloth military wings on his chest. I did a double take because the wings had two stars on each wing. I'm thinking, "...yeah right, this guy has four combat jumps?!"

Thinking he's a huge bullshit artist, I motioned to the wings and asked him, "Where did you buy the wings?"

Well, he went ballistic. He was quite sincere...in his anger. I thought he was either one hell of an actor or he had actually made four combat jumps. He rattled off where he had jumped when I asked him. He had jumped at Normandy and had landed about a mile outside of Ste-Mère-Église. His body language told me he was for real. I asked him how many people had four combat jumps; his answer was something like, "I think there's a hundred or so of us still around."

He continued to jump with me for years and I ended teaching two of sons to jump.

We remained very good friends until he died about 25 years ago. At his services, his wife and sons had created a display of memorabilia with photographs, medals and letters from his time during WWII. I was humbled by what I saw. He wasn't a bullshit artist; he was a genuine airborne hero!!

RIP, Walt Santman...thinking of you now makes my eyes leak.

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

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airtwardo

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I have a theory: If he landed on the ground...

It's not a theory, it's physics - if he jumped, he landed on the ground.

well... he traveled somewhere in the direction of the center of the
Earth in a parabolic arc at first, and he landed ... ? Note the ammo
(money) bag around his waste!

Hey I knew that guy!

I started jumping in '76 at a little outlaw club in north central Illinois...the airborne soldier made famous by the steeple landing on D-Day was from Joliet. He would stop by the DZ about once a year to drink a beer and shoot the bull.

I remember hearing the story well before meeting the man...I hadn't known of it prior and thought it might be a tall tale.

Meeting him removed any doubts...cool guy!

A few years back the wife & I were touring battlefields in France & Germany all summer...came across that 'monument' depicting the steeple landing, did some research on the net that evening only to find he had passed away of natural causes in recent years.

John Steele!

Gregor that money bag is one of those "specific bits" of equipment I talked about. Even then, those jumpers lost tons of equipment because the C46s were going alot faster than the normal jump speeds, which incidentally were much slower than a 727 rigged the way it was that night. Then we have Staticline vice freefall rigging issues.

I agrees with Airtwardo though if he got out chances are good he got canopy.


Parachutes want to open.

Propblast

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airtwardo

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I have a theory: If he landed on the ground...

It's not a theory, it's physics - if he jumped, he landed on the ground.

well... he traveled somewhere in the direction of the center of the
Earth in a parabolic arc at first, and he landed ... ? Note the ammo
(money) bag around his waste!

Hey I knew that guy!

I started jumping in '76 at a little outlaw club in north central Illinois...the airborne soldier made famous by the steeple landing on D-Day was from Joliet. He would stop by the DZ about once a year to drink a beer and shoot the bull.

I remember hearing the story well before meeting the man...I hadn't known of it prior and thought it might be a tall tale.

Meeting him removed any doubts...cool guy!

A few years back the wife & I were touring battlefields in France & Germany all summer...came across that 'monument' depicting the steeple landing, did some research on the net that evening only to find he had passed away of natural causes in recent years.

I believe the fellow's division commander was Maxwell Ridgeway (I don't remember if it was the 101st or 82nd Airborne). When Ridgeway wrote about the D-Day landings, he described running through the city square area of the town, which contained about as many Germans as Americans at that point, and seeing the "poor dead American paratrooper" hanging from the church steeple.

Ridgeway didn't learn until after his book was out that the paratrooper survived both D-Day and the war. But during the time he was swinging from the steeple, he did everything possible to appear dead. Despite that, the Germans did shoot at him from time to time. As soon as the ratio of Americans to Germans in the square got big enough, he managed to get down and get on with the war.


If memory serves he was 101st...an extremely funny man of smaller stature, he was always the center of attention when he'd show up at the DZ.

Try as we might, we could never convince him to make another jump!

I think he enjoyed telling the story as much as we enjoyed hearing it...you could tell by the tone, manner & rhythm... he had told it many MANY times.

Always lightening up the 'mood' of the no doubt terrifying event with self-deprecating humor made it that much more interesting.

He joked that it really didn't surprise him getting stuck like that...his nature was to always get stuck with the short end of the stick.

He then told of several funny experiences he had during the war which certainly made it seem like he was squarely in Murphy's sights.

I STILL remember him sayin' ~
"It could be raining tits on the whole 1st army...I'd take off my hat & get a dick in the ear!"

Air... do you know if the guy in the photo is still alive ? ...
before I call my uncle tonight. I would like to tell him if you
know? My uncle will be amazed that we are talking about
this!

Let me know if you know if the guy is alive or not ...


My understanding is that he passed away maybe 5 years back or so...

I did look on the net back when we were touring battlefields and seem to remember reading of his passing in a googled magazine article....can't seem to find it now though.

Please give my regards & respect to your Uncle, I'm sure he'll enjoy hearing from you & recalling the memory!



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WOW...found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Steele_(paratrooper)

The time frame I'm referring to was '77 through about '79...THAT does not jibe at all with John Steel passing in '69!

I think I may have bought a BUNCH of beer for a bullshit artist!



LOL...wouldn't be the first time.

I should have kept reading John Steele passed away in 69

Propblast

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I jumped several times with an aymmetric bag. See attached photos.

It was full of GPS and radio telemetry gear. It definitely tips you in freefall and you have to compensate. Without a visual horizon and heading ref you could spin pretty easily, BUT:

I learned freefall in 1968. No tandems. No AFF. You exited solo, arched and tried to teach yourself stable freefall. Spins, even violent ones, were almost inevitable. My JM said if you get in a spin and can't immediately stop it JUST PULL. I did, many times in fact, and no matter how bad my spin was, in a few seconds I was hanging under a fully opened C9. I was not only spinning but also tumbling wildly on a few of those jumps. I had frightening visions of opening in a wild tangle of lines and canopy material but NOPE, perfect fully open canopy every time.

Spins dont render you unconscious immediately. It takes a few seconds. All you need to do is pull and you will probably be OK, especially if you have a pit bull tough C9 canopy.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377

I jumped several times with an aymmetric bag. See attached photos.

It was full of GPS and radio telemetry gear. It definitely tips you in freefall and you have to compensate. Without a visual horizon and heading ref you could spin pretty easily, BUT:

I learned freefall in 1968. No tandems. No AFF. You exited solo, arched and tried to teach yourself stable freefall. Spins, even violent ones, were almost inevitable. My JM said if you get in a spin and can't immediately stop it JUST PULL. I did, many times in fact, and no matter how bad my spin was, in a few seconds I was hanging under a fully opened C9. I was not only spinning but also tumbling wildly on a few of those jumps. I had frightening visions of opening in a wild tangle of lines and canopy material but NOPE, perfect fully open canopy every time.

Spins dont render you unconscious immediately. It takes a few seconds. All you need to do is pull and you will probably be OK, especially if you have a pit bull tough C9 canopy.

377

How much proof do we really have of Cooper's experience? as shown before with McNally, all his gear blew off. I don't know how similar the two jumps were, but he lost everything and was bruised up pretty bad. if Cooper did survive. it seems very possible the money separated from him. no house, no new cars etc?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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How much proof do we really have of Cooper's experience?

Zero proof about his parachuting experience. It's ALL speculation.

His 727 configuration commands evidence some knowledge about aircraft flight characteristics, but not necesaarily about the 727 in particular.

Frustrating. But that's life in the big vortex.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377

I jumped several times with an aymmetric bag. See attached photos.

It was full of GPS and radio telemetry gear. It definitely tips you in freefall and you have to compensate. Without a visual horizon and heading ref you could spin pretty easily, BUT:

I learned freefall in 1968. No tandems. No AFF. You exited solo, arched and tried to teach yourself stable freefall. Spins, even violent ones, were almost inevitable. My JM said if you get in a spin and can't immediately stop it JUST PULL. I did, many times in fact, and no matter how bad my spin was, in a few seconds I was hanging under a fully opened C9. I was not only spinning but also tumbling wildly on a few of those jumps. I had frightening visions of opening in a wild tangle of lines and canopy material but NOPE, perfect fully open canopy every time.

Spins dont render you unconscious immediately. It takes a few seconds. All you need to do is pull and you will probably be OK, especially if you have a pit bull tough C9 canopy.

377

I have probably gotten into some of the worst spins possible doing speed dives during training... when you get unstable over 250 MPH...you get to pull some serious G's and it friggin hurts. I found it easier to dive out of the bad spins by going into a steep track then back to the dive.

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airtwardo

EDIT~

WOW...found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Steele_(paratrooper)

The time frame I'm referring to was '77 through about '79...THAT does not jibe at all with John Steel passing in '69!

I think I may have bought a BUNCH of beer for a bullshit artist!



LOL...wouldn't be the first time.

I think the Wikipedia article has some significant errors. For instance Steele would have been a 31 year old paratrooper on D-Day with the rank of Private. I don't think it would work like that.

And again, the book I read the story in was by Steele's Division Commander and it was not "The Longest Day" (although the story may have been repeated in that book).

Robert99

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I jumped several times with an asymmetric bag. See attached photos.

Hi 377...I noticed you didn't use 550 cord.

hangdiver

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

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I was going thur old papers & found something I put away many many yrs ago as a dead end.

Remember the BRR and the BR.

I do NOT even know where to start.

In 2001 when I was with the documentary people in WA. We went to the Corner Tavern and spoke with several men there - it was day time.

There was a man there by the name of Snow (no connection to our Snomman). He pulled me aside as the others were talking to the production crew. He told me about a man he identified as xxx xxxxxxxxx - he was an old hermit who lived north of the Tavern, but he used to come in and he was with the man who sang for his drinks.

He told us he lived in an old camper just north of there. I have to go to the maps and try to figure this out so.

When we found the BRR my guy chased the government facility who had the records but they would not give us a name. Remember the BRR "thing" was in the possession of someone who claimed never to have been to WA...but, it did NOT make sense.

The other day - I was going thur the old old files. I had been chasing a man whose initials were BR, but the old search records just got put away as interesting memories, but a dead end.

NOW it MAKE ALL OF THE SENSE IN THE WORLD! I had forgotten about this man I had looked for - all I had was a name. Turns out he was deceased in 1996 so we were looking for a dead man & something that no longer existed.

Last night finding these old notes the lights were blinding - I had known what BRR meant - but, the BR was buried in my note and in my mind.

I can't contact the FBI tomorrow but will be doing so before the week is out. WE have a name and that name belonged to an old jumper and a man familiar with communciations. A man Duane Weber knew. He died in 1996 so the FBI will scoff us and I suggest they do NOT.

WHY this is important? What is there about BR and BRR that is so important?

On our trip in 1979 Duane had mentioned the Corner Tavern and that he used to know a man who lived not far from there, but we were not going there. He did say some other things - but I filed them in the very back of my mind.

Since there is a HAWK out there who reads everything I post - I cannot give any more details...but I found the links - something I had searched for all of these yrs.

It is a little something Duane said when he spoke about this person.
I had just filed it away in my memory and now it is a KEY that if the FBI will do what they should - it will open the door to the past of Weber so many have denied. It puts Duane Weber with someone who HAD the capabilites and the knowledge to pull this thing off.

It ALL goes right back to The Intermountain Communications.
Except NOW I have a name we can work with - it was buried in all of the garbage that has been thrown at me all of these yrs and all of the garbage I have dug thru looking for the answers. I know we have found that needle in not just a haystack - but a field of haystacks.

I am tired.

It also means a man who contacted me several months ago, was NOT as FAR OUT as I thought he was - I had a piece of the puzzle and he had a piece of the puzzle and someone else had yet another piece of the puzzle...it is all starting to fall in place or perhaps fall apart....if it does SO BE IT!

After this I have to give the search up. I knew the time was coming I would have to step away because the last few months have been a struggle. I am very tired and I actually am praying the FBI does NOT walk away on this. I believe I have finally done it.

Ever since that night I saw those Jefferson Intake photos - I knew what the truth was, but not how to find it. Remember the choir I kept hearing and I am sure you guys thought I had finally gone off my rocker. This last yr has been a hard one and I just did NOT have the energy to go forward much longer.

Anyone remember the date MrShutter posted those pics? Anyone remember when Cossey died? I need these date guys.

I have never been able to search this thread - it was just over my head. Internet searches take too long on dial-up.

What has happened is the REAL thing - at least I can find some peace....it has been a long long time coming.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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377

Quote

How much proof do we really have of Cooper's experience?

Zero proof about his parachuting experience. It's ALL speculation.

His 727 configuration commands evidence some knowledge about aircraft flight characteristics, but not necesaarily about the 727 in particular.

Frustrating. But that's life in the big vortex.

377

From what I have read about McNally. it appears he might of pulled off the stairs, I don't know. that's an action for experience to speak. (you or other jumpers) the plane seems to have been going a lot faster though, so that could be the reason everything was ripped off of him. including a pair of pants. he had two pairs on....

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Robert99

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EDIT~

WOW...found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Steele_(paratrooper)

The time frame I'm referring to was '77 through about '79...THAT does not jibe at all with John Steel passing in '69!

I think I may have bought a BUNCH of beer for a bullshit artist!



LOL...wouldn't be the first time.

I think the Wikipedia article has some significant errors. For instance Steele would have been a 31 year old paratrooper on D-Day with the rank of Private. I don't think it would work like that.

And again, the book I read the story in was by Steele's Division Commander and it was not "The Longest Day" (although the story may have been repeated in that book).

Robert99

You'd be wrong, as Steele, and many other paratroopers, were that age.

He was a member of the 505TH PIR. Jumping Jim Gavin was the Commander. The Unit was a part of the 82d Airborne Division.


H-Minus------ATW

Propblast

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mrshutter45

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Quote

How much proof do we really have of Cooper's experience?

Zero proof about his parachuting experience. It's ALL speculation.

His 727 configuration commands evidence some knowledge about aircraft flight characteristics, but not necesaarily about the 727 in particular.

Frustrating. But that's life in the big vortex.

377

From what I have read about McNally. it appears he might of pulled off the stairs, I don't know. that's an action for experience to speak. (you or other jumpers) the plane seems to have been going a lot faster though, so that could be the reason everything was ripped off of him. including a pair of pants. he had two pairs on....

Didn't McNally exit over the wing of a DC-10 that was doing about 300 MPH? This is the fellow in Indiana correct?

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Robert99

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How much proof do we really have of Cooper's experience?

Zero proof about his parachuting experience. It's ALL speculation.

His 727 configuration commands evidence some knowledge about aircraft flight characteristics, but not necesaarily about the 727 in particular.

Frustrating. But that's life in the big vortex.

377

From what I have read about McNally. it appears he might of pulled off the stairs, I don't know. that's an action for experience to speak. (you or other jumpers) the plane seems to have been going a lot faster though, so that could be the reason everything was ripped off of him. including a pair of pants. he had two pairs on....

Didn't McNally exit over the wing of a DC-10 that was doing about 300 MPH? This is the fellow in Indiana correct?


I don't think so. he hijacked a 727. then some guy got pissed off and ran his caddy into the plane damaging the wheel struts. he got another 727. some reports say 8,000, but the court records for his appeal claim 10,000 with an airspeed (TAS) of 263 when he jumped.

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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David J. Hanley of Florissant watched live TV in the Airport Marriott lounge and got angry. At 12:30 a.m., he crashed his 1971 Cadillac convertible through the airport fence and sped down the runway at Wilson's commandeered jet. He smashed into the wheel struts at 80 mph.

Inside the plane, a jumpy Wilson demanded a second 727 and hid behind his hostages from FBI sharpshooters as they walked to another jet. They took off, heading northeast. Wilson gave flight attendants generous tips and jumped at 2:50 a.m. over northern Indiana from an altitude of 8,000 feet.


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/a-look-back-airline-hijacking-at-lambert-in-turns-bizarre/article_1aac5de6-6eb4-5245-a126-7adf324d5eb2.html

I grabbed this link because it was first

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

[skyjack71 0]

See Attached PHOTO - that is how Cooper carried his pay load!

skyjack71

I was going thur old papers & found something I put away many many yrs ago as a dead end.

Remember the BRR and the BR.

I do NOT even know where to start.

In 2001 when I was with the documentary people in WA. We went to the Corner Tavern and spoke with several men there - it was day time.

There was a man there by the name of Snow (no connection to our Snomman). He pulled me aside as the others were talking to the production crew. He told me about a man he identified as xxx xxxxxxxxx - he was an old hermit who lived north of the Tavern, but he used to come in and he was with the man who sang for his drinks.

He told us he lived in an old camper just north of there. I have to go to the maps and try to figure this out so.

When we found the BRR my guy chased the government facility who had the records but they would not give us a name. Remember the BRR "thing" was in the possession of someone who claimed never to have been to WA...but, it did NOT make sense.

The other day - I was going thur the old old files. I had been chasing a man whose initials were BR, but the old search records just got put away as interesting memories, but a dead end.

NOW it MAKE ALL OF THE SENSE IN THE WORLD! I had forgotten about this man I had looked for - all I had was a name. Turns out he was deceased in 1996 so we were looking for a dead man & something that no longer existed.

Last night finding these old notes the lights were blinding - I had known what BRR meant - but, the BR was buried in my note and in my mind.

I can't contact the FBI tomorrow but will be doing so before the week is out. WE have a name and that name belonged to an old jumper and a man familiar with communciations. A man Duane Weber knew. He died in 1996 so the FBI will scoff us and I suggest they do NOT.

WHY this is important? What is there about BR and BRR that is so important?

On our trip in 1979 Duane had mentioned the Corner Tavern and that he used to know a man who lived not far from there, but we were not going there. He did say some other things - but I filed them in the very back of my mind.

Since there is a HAWK out there who reads everything I post - I cannot give any more details...but I found the links - something I had searched for all of these yrs.

It is a little something Duane said when he spoke about this person.
I had just filed it away in my memory and now it is a KEY that if the FBI will do what they should - it will open the door to the past of Weber so many have denied. It puts Duane Weber with someone who HAD the capabilites and the knowledge to pull this thing off.

It ALL goes right back to The Intermountain Communications.
Except NOW I have a name we can work with - it was buried in all of the garbage that has been thrown at me all of these yrs and all of the garbage I have dug thru looking for the answers. I know we have found that needle in not just a haystack - but a field of haystacks.

I am tired.

It also means a man who contacted me several months ago, was NOT as FAR OUT as I thought he was - I had a piece of the puzzle and he had a piece of the puzzle and someone else had yet another piece of the puzzle...it is all starting to fall in place or perhaps fall apart....if it does SO BE IT!

After this I have to give the search up. I knew the time was coming I would have to step away because the last few months have been a struggle. I am very tired and I actually am praying the FBI does NOT walk away on this. I believe I have finally done it.

Ever since that night I saw those Jefferson Intake photos - I knew what the truth was, but not how to find it. Remember the choir I kept hearing and I am sure you guys thought I had finally gone off my rocker. This last yr has been a hard one and I just did NOT have the energy to go forward much longer.

Anyone remember the date MrShutter posted those pics? Anyone remember when Cossey died? I need these date guys.

I have never been able to search this thread - it was just over my head. Internet searches take too long on dial-up.

What has happened is the REAL thing - at least I can find some peace....it has been a long long time coming.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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mrshutter45

David J. Hanley of Florissant watched live TV in the Airport Marriott lounge and got angry. At 12:30 a.m., he crashed his 1971 Cadillac convertible through the airport fence and sped down the runway at Wilson's commandeered jet. He smashed into the wheel struts at 80 mph.

Inside the plane, a jumpy Wilson demanded a second 727 and hid behind his hostages from FBI sharpshooters as they walked to another jet. They took off, heading northeast. Wilson gave flight attendants generous tips and jumped at 2:50 a.m. over northern Indiana from an altitude of 8,000 feet.


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/a-look-back-airline-hijacking-at-lambert-in-turns-bizarre/article_1aac5de6-6eb4-5245-a126-7adf324d5eb2.html

I grabbed this link because it was first

Maybe I had better ask a question. Did anyone jump from a DC-10 in the early to mid-1970s over Indiana or Illinois?

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Robert99

***David J. Hanley of Florissant watched live TV in the Airport Marriott lounge and got angry. At 12:30 a.m., he crashed his 1971 Cadillac convertible through the airport fence and sped down the runway at Wilson's commandeered jet. He smashed into the wheel struts at 80 mph.

Inside the plane, a jumpy Wilson demanded a second 727 and hid behind his hostages from FBI sharpshooters as they walked to another jet. They took off, heading northeast. Wilson gave flight attendants generous tips and jumped at 2:50 a.m. over northern Indiana from an altitude of 8,000 feet.


http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/a-look-back-airline-hijacking-at-lambert-in-turns-bizarre/article_1aac5de6-6eb4-5245-a126-7adf324d5eb2.html

I grabbed this link because it was first

Maybe I had better ask a question. Did anyone jump from a DC-10 in the early to mid-1970s over Indiana or Illinois?


Not sure. was the DC-10 around in that time period?

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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Maybe I had better ask a question. Did anyone jump from a DC-10 in the early to mid-1970s over Indiana or Illinois?

Nope. No DC 10 skyjack jumps as far as I know.

DC 10s did, however, have a problem with cargo doors popping open in flight with catastrophic results.

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Summary, Cargo door failure leading to explosive decompression, destruction of control systems, and loss of control ... Turkish Airlines Flight 981 was a McDonnell Douglas DC-10 that crashed outside ...

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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skyjack71

See Attached PHOTO - that is how Cooper carried his pay load!

Jo, that would be a reasonable way. But, that rigging is slightly more complicated than 550 cord. It also takes up a lot more room than a small paper bag. The H912 container was meant to be jumped and was 36 tall.

Propblast

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See Attached PHOTO - that is how Cooper carried his pay load!

Jo, that would be a reasonable way. But, that rigging is slightly more complicated than 550 cord. It also takes up a lot more room than a small paper bag. The H912 container was meant to be jumped and was 36 tall.

Not talking about the container!
Smokejumper carried their gear this same way. Certain equipment and supplies needed to go to the ground with them. Other equipment was dropped....but, what they took with them into an active fire - was very bulky.

They released the equipment just before they hit the ground. I have been talking to an old skyjumper who was a smoke jumper he just turned 90 yrs old! This man's files are still in the archives, but the CO's names are not disclosed - some are because it is NO longer a shame to be a CO.

He was one of my school teachers!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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I jumped several times with an aymmetric bag.

For me it's not just a job - it's an adventure!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

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propblast

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See Attached PHOTO - that is how Cooper carried his pay load!

Jo, that would be a reasonable way. But, that rigging is slightly more complicated than 550 cord. It also takes up a lot more room than a small paper bag. The H912 container was meant to be jumped and was 36 tall.


Wow, that thing was heavy.....160+ Lbs..

http://laststandonzombieisland.com/2013/04/11/the-us-militarys-backpack-atomic/

"It is surprising how aggressive people get, once they latch onto their suspect and say, 'Hey, he's our guy.' No matter what you tell them, they refuse to believe you" Agent Carr FBI

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According to Tosaw - I spoke with him many times. There was something green sticking out of the top of the briefcase. A bag! I wondered if it was some kind of waterproof cover or perhaps a container - but that is just a guess as Cooper did ask for a Knapsack which was NOT delivered.

The only paper bag mentioned in the entire skyjacking incident was a SMALL paper bag (lunch size) that Cooper carried on to the plan with his briefcase. It appeared to be a paper bag perhaps from one of the vendor, but that was unknown. Maybe it contained hardware he brought with him, but why have that in a paper bag?

Absolutely do NOT know where some of you guys are getting your information about Cooper - you have become engrossed in the myths.
What Cooper took out of that plane was much larger than a small lunch size paper bag.

The package was the equivelant of 2 New York phone books in 1971.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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What was provided for Cooper as a container and I have the Co-pilots word on this was a satchel since the money was supposedly delivered in a bank bag. They damn sure provided Cooper with the closest thing they had to a knapsack - You can be assured they did NOT want Cooper to get trigger happy.

Himmelsbach did NOT deliver the money and hence the graywhitish drawstring bank bag became another myth right of the bat!

Why the FBI has allowed this myth to probagate - who knows!

I have described the bag that went out of that plane & I was told by those who saw the bag that what I describe below is exactly what was made available to Cooper. Approx 14 inches long, 8 to 9 inches wide and 8 to 10 inches high tapering at the top. It had a leather clasp that went under the 2 handles, plus a shoulder strap that attached to both ends.

The loops on the bag at the handle and the strap connectors would have made very good securing points from someone very accomplished with knots....which Weber was.

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