georger 247 #4751 October 21, 2008 QuoteBuzzardNest, When I was working at the Public Defender's office in Oakland CA, I had a seasoned old cop tell me, over donuts no less, that I didnt know criminals at all. He said: "Kid... you just know the dumb ones because you only deal with the ones who get caught." Duane's proven inability to escape conviction for routine crimes is evidenced in repeated jail and prison stints. Accordingly, he is not my top candidate for having accomplished one of the most innovative whodunnit crimes of the 20th century. He was an odd fellow and had some unexplained mysterious things in his past, but none of that puts him on the stairs of that NWA 727 looking out into a black cold rainy night and summoning his courage. His death bed confession proves zero with regard to Cooper. It proves only that he wanted to be remembered as Cooper, REPLY> There is no probative evidence the confession even occurred. By definition, the 'evidence' must be of a type open to examination. This is the minimal requirement logic requires, and as a practical matter the technical requirement of the Court. The same applies to Cooper. Cooper's was a crime of opportunity. I think you would agree. His genius, if there was one, was in his seeing an opportunity and taking it, but this alone does not qualify him as hero or genius. Crimes of this sort have a momentum of their own - a logic which tends to take over and drive the crime from beginning to end. Once Cooper had passed his note and began the crime., it was finitissimo for him. Once the basic requirements of the logic are set in motion, then the crime procedes and the instigator can become a passenger, even an unwilling passenger in the events his actions have set in motion. The Father of the child. He cannot say" Woops. This was a joke" Let me off", and expect the plane to land and all is forgiven and everyone laughs. Cooper could have done that and avoided the jump but it is not necessarily courage which has him complete to a jump. It could be rank stupidity and ego or a suicide! It is not that I necessarily disagree with your evaluation of Cooper, just that it is a bit more complex than you state. In the case of Duane we have a death bed confession (we are told). Where is it!? No notary or witnesses were called. No FBI. No Judge to witness a signing of anything. Jo did not call in a county attorney and say, "You must come here now! My husband says he is DB Cooper and ... " Not even a personal attorney or any witness of any kind. Just Jo. Nothing probative. What makes DB Cooper "probative" He was there. He came very close tobeing a corpse being hauled off the plane, except for Mucklow and the orders of Donald Nyrop. That is probative. Duane did nothing. He instigated and left not one piece of evidence of his own volition. It is all Jo says this, says that, . . . which isnt even a good third party UFO report in my book. I mean even my old friends in Project Bluebook will revert to a blank stare and avoidance of eye contact while saying: "You know I cant talk about that" ..... leaving the impression there might be something worth being classified. But these guys were always full of crap! Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4752 October 21, 2008 Tonite's thoughts. last two maybe interesting 1) 1971: passenger jets and widespread civilian skydiving were new technologies. I always thought of the Cooper hijack as a technology exploit. In searching for modern matches, my current best: Hijack an armed Predator UAV. First thought: "No way". Second thought "Hmm..Actually have no idea if possible, or impossible; what makes it impossible?" 2) "The Peddlers' Shop". Being in Florida, it makes sense that Duane was dealing drugs, if he was doing any crime. 3) If the money got to Tena's Bar by water, it seems like the Columbia is the only, sole, mechanism that seems to fit well? If that's true, then if the money fell in the Columbia, it's likely Cooper did too if he no-pulled (even if money bag lost in air), because of the width of the Columbia. It's also reasonable for the body to not be found in the Columbia. I provided the case of the pilot from Textronix whose body was never found. There's also a chance of Cooper landing in the Columbia if he successfully deployed, in this scenario. But that would cause likely drowning and a more likely body find, because of the canopy?. So it would seem to push things slightly to no-pull. I can't think of anything that supports the money being transported other than by the Columbia. 4) Cooper had minimal skydiving experience. He was able to don the NB-6 rig without instruction, but it seems like a simple rig to figure out (although he might not have cinched up the straps..just clipped the various snaplinks?) Assume there was no pressure bump recorded, no test drop, no oscillations. Assume Cooper meant to jump near Seattle, missed the opportunity. Where would be the next place he'd jump, assuming stairs open before Lake Merwin? Best guess by Cooper might make, assuming he's a dolt that didn't control the flight path, would be that they'd be flying back towards Portland. But not guaranteed. So if you don't know where you are, you jump when you see some lights. It would be absolutely insane to jump into the dark. So spotting the lights, which turn out to be Portland/Vancouver, aligns with hitting the Columbia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BuzzardNest 0 #4753 October 21, 2008 I can tell that you guys are all thinkers. With all of the brains in this forum and the open dialogue used for conveyance, it seems that the best possible Cooper profile could be borne in the DropZone.. Are there any psychologists in here that can comment towards motive (besides the $200K) and what compelled Cooper to take such a risky avenue? Wouldn't robbing a bank be much less risky (the getaway)? Finally, what does Cooper have for back-up if he doesn't complete the crime and gets caught at Seattle International Airport. ie. How does he reconcile his demands not being met and still find an escape? He obviously didn't think this aspect through. Which means that he either had a real bomb on board and was prepared to die, or, he had something to give to the press or the public that would embarrass those that could stop him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 247 #4754 October 21, 2008 QuoteTonite's thoughts. last two maybe interesting 1) 1971: passenger jets and widespread civilian skydiving were new technologies. I always thought of the Cooper hijack as a technology exploit. Reply> I thinks that's a good connection. He knew a 727 was not a Cessna. He definately had some jump experience or knew enough to scale the jets parameters to something he thought would be compatable with a jump . . . Had they strung Cooper out more and not been so damned cooperative, we would know more. That would have forced Cooper to make some choices and reveal more of himself. Instead on instructions from Nyrop and for Tina's sake and their own, they literally bent over backwards to accomodate Cooper. There must have been a decision to opt for 'getting rid of the HJ' as their primary strategy. Maybe they sensed Cooper wanted OUT (maybe they sensed that at SEA) and so they played that card maximising everything to that end. They gave Cooper all the rope they could feed him. In searching for modern matches, my current best: Hijack an armed Predator UAV. First thought: "No way". Second thought "Hmm..Actually have no idea if possible, or impossible; what makes it impossible?" 2) "The Peddlers' Shop". Being in Florida, it makes sense that Duane was dealing drugs, if he was doing any crime. Reply> You have opened the door so Im going there. Peddlers Shop > antiques > a peddler of ideas and things > likes to read and talk> likes to imagine and fantasize > has a weak sense of history (antiques) > has always wanted a sense of importance & worth he did not have > has no faithe. Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 247 #4755 October 21, 2008 QuoteI can tell that you guys are all thinkers. With all of the brains in this forum and the open dialogue used for conveyance, it seems that the best possible Cooper profile could be borne in the DropZone.. Are there any psychologists in here that can comment towards motive (besides the $200K) and what compelled Cooper to take such a risky avenue? Wouldn't robbing a bank be much less risky (the getaway)? Finally, what does Cooper have for back-up if he doesn't complete the crime and gets caught at Seattle International Airport. ie. How does he reconcile his demands not being met and still find an escape? He obviously didn't think this aspect through. Which means that he either had a real bomb on board and was prepared to die, or, he had something to give to the press or the public that would embarrass those that could stop him. Just my opinion but I think we have to know more about the man personally to know his motive. In these pages a number of possibilities have been discussed but its all conjecture. Its no secret there were hard times in this area of the country during this period. That was the first thing my grandmother at Vancouver thought of - I dont think he had any backup, unless he had a revolver he was concealing, and the bomb of course. It turned out he had a friend, NWA owner Donald Nyrop who asked people to "cooperate". If you havent seen it you should visit Sluggo's website at: http://n467us.com/ There is a wealth of information there ... Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4756 October 21, 2008 QuoteI can tell that you guys are all thinkers. With all of the brains in this forum and the open dialogue used for conveyance, it seems that the best possible Cooper profile could be borne in the DropZone.. Are there any psychologists in here that can comment towards motive (besides the $200K) and what compelled Cooper to take such a risky avenue? Wouldn't robbing a bank be much less risky (the getaway)? Finally, what does Cooper have for back-up if he doesn't complete the crime and gets caught at Seattle International Airport. ie. How does he reconcile his demands not being met and still find an escape? He obviously didn't think this aspect through. Which means that he either had a real bomb on board and was prepared to die, or, he had something to give to the press or the public that would embarrass those that could stop him. He apparently did have a knife, to cut the parachute cords. He asked Tina to sit next to him. There was at least one other hijack where the hijacker held a knife to a stewardess's throat. (I think that hijacker was shot/killed in the end). I always wondered about why Cooper had a knife. Maybe that was his backup weapon? Actually the knife as weapon was common..here's two: 4 Cubans Hijack Jetliner With 93 to Havana; New York Youth and Girl... New York Times - Feb 4, 1969 It was Captain Moore's second hijacking and Eastern's fifth this year. ... One of them held a seven-inch steak knife at the throat of a stewardess, ... Passenger Thwarts Plane Hijacking New York Times - Jan 7, 1970 The hijacking attempt was made shortly before 5 A.M., when Delta's Flight ... Sharon Eeresford, pressed a six-inch knife to her throat and demanded that he ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4757 October 21, 2008 There is one passenger who was actually on a hijacked plane twice. (two different hijacks) Weird huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4758 October 21, 2008 Quote snowmman said: 2) "The Peddlers' Shop". Being in Florida, it makes sense that Duane was dealing drugs, if he was doing any crime. georger said: You have opened the door so Im going there. Peddlers Shop antiques a peddler of ideas and things likes to read and talk likes to imagine and fantasize has a weak sense of history (antiques) has always wanted a sense of importance & worth he did not have has no faithe. Interesting thoughts, georger. For people who didn't catch it, "The Peddlers' Shop" was the name of Duane and Jo's store in Pensacola. I always thought it was an odd name. Reminded me of the phrase "drug peddler" :) But georger could be right...it does reveal a little about how the owner might think about things? My reading is that it used Peddlers' in the plural, not in the singular Peddler's. (edit) I remember being in a comedy club in Florida in the '80s. Guy comes in with all these women, takes a huge table. He has I guess an early cell phone..one of those big blocky things. The comedian starts making jokes about him dealing drugs, and picks up the phone ...it rings and there's actually someone calling in looking to buy...the comedian got all flustered...that was funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 247 #4759 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuote snowmman said: 2) "The Peddlers' Shop". Being in Florida, it makes sense that Duane was dealing drugs, if he was doing any crime. georger said: You have opened the door so Im going there. Peddlers Shop antiques a peddler of ideas and things likes to read and talk likes to imagine and fantasize has a weak sense of history (antiques) has always wanted a sense of importance & worth he did not have has no faithe. Interesting thoughts, georger. For people who didn't catch it, "The Peddlers' Shop" was the name of Duane and Jo's store in Pensacola. I always thought it was an odd name. Reminded me of the phrase "drug peddler" :) But georger could be right...it does reveal a little about how the owner might think about things? My reading is that it used Peddlers' in the plural, not in the singular Peddler's. (edit) I remember being in a comedy club in Florida in the '80s. Guy comes in with all these women, takes a huge table. He has I guess an early cell phone..one of those big blocky things. The comedian starts making jokes about him dealing drugs, and picks up the phone ...it rings and there's actually someone calling in looking to buy...the comedian got all flustered...that was funny. Jo would know but of course we will never get an impartial vita of what Duane did, and did not do, as an ordinary practicioner of life. There are many rumors surrounding Duane. He did sell antiques for a time. Set up a shop. etc. I suppose we could clarify that, perhaps even come up with some old ads and customers if there were any. My thought was if a person likes antiques that has a connection to history (awareness of?) and it may have been out of that vein (plus certainty psychological prerequisites) which lead to a fixation (projection?) on Cooper, in Duane's mind. Of course if Duane was Cooper then everything Im saying is hogwash. Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #4760 October 22, 2008 First Buzzard came into this forum and insulted me with his post. Some of you were nice enough to come to my defense at that time and now it seems everyone is jumping on the band wagon. True I do not have physical evidence and everyone seems to ignore these FACTS of what I have claimed from day one. I did not know who DAN COOPER was so - WHY would I have documented anything about his confession, I certainly wasn't looking for any proof of his confession when I STUMBLED IN TO who DAN COOPER was 1 yr and 2 months after he died. This is exactly what I have said before about truth and myth - and exactly why Cooper has never been found. The myths continue to grow just like the myths that you guys have just stated about me, Duane and the shop. The Peddler Shop is the correct name - and that name only came about because of an OLD sign he adopted. Duane was NEVER a user of Drug nor have I ever been. As well as I thought I knew some of you guys I cannot believe that you would jump on the band wagon with this BUZZARD and allow the insults to continue and grow into monsters. If Duane had this sense of importance and wanted his confession to be remembered WHY didn't he ask for an attorney or a witness? Why didn't he ask for someone in attendance who would have known what he was talking about? Duane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. Also look at this way - he was recruited because he was not someone who would be identified as a jumper or having any knowledge of it - because his past was so obsured with more than one AKA. AKA's that never made it into his criminal records. The FBI has never explained where Duane was or who he was between 1945 and 1950. I have provided them with the information I know of those yrs and not one word from them. A man does NOT disappear off the face of the earth for 5 yrs. Duane Weber was Cooper - and I what I have told in this forum and to others and the FBI is the truth and nothing but the truth. Because I did not know him in 1971 I have had to fill in many of the blanks by what I did know of this man and how he processed thoughts and how he did things. I have explored many things and for some reason I am always taken back to the very beginning of what I told the FBI and Himmelsbach - the connections I made in 1996 keep coming back. The Sandy Springs incident, the woman who came to my apartment, the trip to Wa in 1979, the stop in Salt Lake to go to the church - I had been to before and he had been to - our time should have been exploring things we had not seen. There was NO need to show me things I had already seen in yrs gone by. His disappearing act at the The Dalles, the strange things he said and the places he took me and the things he said, his second disappearing act in Seattle, his immediately typing his letter of resignation and immediately left for Ala after the money was found. The letter was typed the day after the newpaper artlicle. The things he said over the next few yrs. and things he showed me, all without telling me he was Cooper he showed me his life and he laid the story out but like he was talking about someone else. As I have said - I was the dumb blonde and I was right up until the end. I wasn't interested in the past only the present and the future. It is useless to defend myself or take the time to address the insults. I was feeling good about my life and I come to the forum only to end up in tears. Duane L. Weber was Dan Cooper. I did not hallucinate a ticket, a bank bag, a stub, the items he kept, the confession, the background and everything that came flooding into the very soul of my being - the memories - WHEN I found out who DAN COOPER was - all of these things made sense. God KNOWs I wish he had NEVER told me - it has used up the last 13 yrs of my life. I hope that one day someone will find the proof that the FBI will listen to, but all I have is the memories and I have provided the public and the FBI with everything they needed to lead them to the truth, but the legend is what the FBI and others want to live - NOT the truth because it makes too many people - the FBI, CIA and the government including all of the wanna be's who have written books and are going to write books look badly. Why do I put copyright on my posts? Not because I am writing a book, but so that if and when the truth is EVER made available to the world - at least I will been documented as having tried to tell the story as best as I could. I will not give up until I am mentally and physically not able to do so. I know that the FBI and others have hoped that I would die or just go away. If I was into this for any other reason other than the truth - it has been a terrible waste of my life. When I recount the things that the FBI has NOT explained - the myth that they would rather continue - there are those of you who say why did you go back to that subject. It is those subjects the FBI wants the world to forget about - it is those subjects the FBI and others want you the reader to forget - about. Those things I keep harping on are the things that you guys should NEVER forget about. Remember those things - those are the things that count. The FBI wants you to FORGET about the cigarrette butts and they don't mention them on their site. They want the negatives to go away and I am the only Constant Reminder they have to those things. I am trying to not let the past and the truth become OBSCURED. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 247 #4761 October 22, 2008 Ckret says the bump was re-created by the Air Force. Did these tests also re-create the Oscillations? (oscillation of rate of climb indicator). Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bozo 0 #4762 October 22, 2008 Duane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. Put....him...in...a....parachute. bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nigel99 534 #4763 October 22, 2008 thats easy during 1945 to 1950 some little green friends stopped by on a visit from Roswell and spent 5 years teaching high speed exits and levitation techniques to a certain individual in a far away galaxy. This is why the ruse of the "dummy chute" is intended to make us believe he bounced Sorry Jo this is all in jest Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4764 October 22, 2008 Quote thats easy during 1945 to 1950 some little green friends stopped by on a visit from Roswell and spent 5 years teaching high speed exits and levitation techniques to a certain individual in a far away galaxy. This is why the ruse of the "dummy chute" is intended to make us believe he bounced Sorry Jo this is all in jest nigel99, jokes can't bury the truth, which we all know about Roswell. Luckily Lt. Walter G. Haut made a sealed affidavit in 2002 to be opened after his death, which happened in 2007. Included below. Jo: I assume you are familiar with the CB broadcast after the MLK assasination that the FBI tried to cover up by saying it was a hoax. Duane was familar with CB so I thought you'd see the link. The white mustang was mentioned, which was spotted after the package was dropped off at Canipe Amusements Company. Duane's sense of humor was evident in the selection of weapon: Remington Gamester Model 760 .30-06 (edit) Which is more offensive? Jo's posts about MLK, or mine? DATE: December 26, 2002 WITNESS: Chris Xxxxxx NOTARY: Beverlee Morgan (1) My name is Walter G. Haut (2) I was born on June 2, 1922 (3) My address is 1405 W. 7th Street, Roswell, NM 88203 (4) I am retired. (5) In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public Information Officer. I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town. (6) I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by midmorning after my return to duty at the base on Monday, July 7. I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate. (7) By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site just north of Roswell. I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more. (8) On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m. Besides Blanchard, Marcel; CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt; Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer; Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer; and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance. The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell. A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town. Samples of wreckage were passed around the table. It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life. Pieces which resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from man to man, each voicing their opinion. No one was able to identify the crash debris. (9) One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery. Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed. I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished. (10) At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying disc, coming from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters. I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch. (11) By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world. Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home and "hide out." (12) Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside. Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape. Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic. No windows, portholes, wings, tail section, or landing gear were visible. (13) Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features. The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child. At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height. (14) I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies. (15) I was informed that the wreckage was not "hot" (radioactive). (16) Upon his return from Fort Worth, Major Marcel described to me taking pieces of the wreckage to Gen. Ramey's office and after returning from a map room, finding the remains of a weather balloon and radar kite substituted while he was out of the room. Marcel was very upset over this situation. We would not discuss it again. (17) I would be allowed to make at least one visit to one of the recovery sites during the military cleanup. I would return to the base with some of the wreckage which I would display in my office. (18) I was aware two separate teams would return to each site months later for periodic searches for any remaining evidence. (19) I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space. (20) I have not been paid nor given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection. Signed: Walter G. Haut December 26, 2002 Signature witnessed by: Chris Xxxxxxx http://roswellproof.homestead.com/haut.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SafecrackingPLF 0 #4765 October 22, 2008 If you're on the subject of witnesses, then you owe it to yourself to at least acknowledge the witnesses that are on record. As published in US News and World Report, there may not have been a witness to the actual deathbed confession, but there was a witness to the ramblings about buried money of roughly $173,000. If you're trying to decide if the deathbed confession actually took place, this corroborating witness means it's more likely than not that it actually took place and was not some figment of skyjack's imagination. You can also look to the witness that has gone on record that worked at a hotel down the street from PDX right on Airport way (or there abouts). According to his repeated (and signed) statements, he checked a man in the night before the crime. This man, according to his recollection was taller than average and matches the photos he's seen of Weber. He can recall the name of the man, and did inform the FBI of the peculiar guest back in 71. According to his statement, he joked that the guest's name was like the drink, Tom Collins... the guest reportedly wasn't fond of the joke and replied "well my name's John, not Tom" I can vouch that people DO JOKE about the name Tom Collins. It's my adoptive Dad's name, and he's told me countless stories of the joke. I've also witnessed it personally. This doesn't mean the witness is correct in all of his observations, but certainly seems plausible. You can make up your own mind as to what degree two witnesses have in measuring the merit of skyjack's story, but at least acknowledge that there's more than just one person trying to go against an avalanche of opposing evidence. At some point you have to look at all the evidence, based on only the merit of the evidence, and face the tough reality that most of you are unwilling to admit. I cannot wait to hear about the new findings that I've heard are on their way. I also recently visited Tina's Bar within the last two weeks and will create a YouTube video for you when I get some time next month. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 247 #4766 October 22, 2008 QuoteDuane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. In Cossey's hard pull NB6 no less. Put....him...in...a....parachute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #4752 October 21, 2008 Tonite's thoughts. last two maybe interesting 1) 1971: passenger jets and widespread civilian skydiving were new technologies. I always thought of the Cooper hijack as a technology exploit. In searching for modern matches, my current best: Hijack an armed Predator UAV. First thought: "No way". Second thought "Hmm..Actually have no idea if possible, or impossible; what makes it impossible?" 2) "The Peddlers' Shop". Being in Florida, it makes sense that Duane was dealing drugs, if he was doing any crime. 3) If the money got to Tena's Bar by water, it seems like the Columbia is the only, sole, mechanism that seems to fit well? If that's true, then if the money fell in the Columbia, it's likely Cooper did too if he no-pulled (even if money bag lost in air), because of the width of the Columbia. It's also reasonable for the body to not be found in the Columbia. I provided the case of the pilot from Textronix whose body was never found. There's also a chance of Cooper landing in the Columbia if he successfully deployed, in this scenario. But that would cause likely drowning and a more likely body find, because of the canopy?. So it would seem to push things slightly to no-pull. I can't think of anything that supports the money being transported other than by the Columbia. 4) Cooper had minimal skydiving experience. He was able to don the NB-6 rig without instruction, but it seems like a simple rig to figure out (although he might not have cinched up the straps..just clipped the various snaplinks?) Assume there was no pressure bump recorded, no test drop, no oscillations. Assume Cooper meant to jump near Seattle, missed the opportunity. Where would be the next place he'd jump, assuming stairs open before Lake Merwin? Best guess by Cooper might make, assuming he's a dolt that didn't control the flight path, would be that they'd be flying back towards Portland. But not guaranteed. So if you don't know where you are, you jump when you see some lights. It would be absolutely insane to jump into the dark. So spotting the lights, which turn out to be Portland/Vancouver, aligns with hitting the Columbia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuzzardNest 0 #4753 October 21, 2008 I can tell that you guys are all thinkers. With all of the brains in this forum and the open dialogue used for conveyance, it seems that the best possible Cooper profile could be borne in the DropZone.. Are there any psychologists in here that can comment towards motive (besides the $200K) and what compelled Cooper to take such a risky avenue? Wouldn't robbing a bank be much less risky (the getaway)? Finally, what does Cooper have for back-up if he doesn't complete the crime and gets caught at Seattle International Airport. ie. How does he reconcile his demands not being met and still find an escape? He obviously didn't think this aspect through. Which means that he either had a real bomb on board and was prepared to die, or, he had something to give to the press or the public that would embarrass those that could stop him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 247 #4754 October 21, 2008 QuoteTonite's thoughts. last two maybe interesting 1) 1971: passenger jets and widespread civilian skydiving were new technologies. I always thought of the Cooper hijack as a technology exploit. Reply> I thinks that's a good connection. He knew a 727 was not a Cessna. He definately had some jump experience or knew enough to scale the jets parameters to something he thought would be compatable with a jump . . . Had they strung Cooper out more and not been so damned cooperative, we would know more. That would have forced Cooper to make some choices and reveal more of himself. Instead on instructions from Nyrop and for Tina's sake and their own, they literally bent over backwards to accomodate Cooper. There must have been a decision to opt for 'getting rid of the HJ' as their primary strategy. Maybe they sensed Cooper wanted OUT (maybe they sensed that at SEA) and so they played that card maximising everything to that end. They gave Cooper all the rope they could feed him. In searching for modern matches, my current best: Hijack an armed Predator UAV. First thought: "No way". Second thought "Hmm..Actually have no idea if possible, or impossible; what makes it impossible?" 2) "The Peddlers' Shop". Being in Florida, it makes sense that Duane was dealing drugs, if he was doing any crime. Reply> You have opened the door so Im going there. Peddlers Shop > antiques > a peddler of ideas and things > likes to read and talk> likes to imagine and fantasize > has a weak sense of history (antiques) > has always wanted a sense of importance & worth he did not have > has no faithe. Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 247 #4755 October 21, 2008 QuoteI can tell that you guys are all thinkers. With all of the brains in this forum and the open dialogue used for conveyance, it seems that the best possible Cooper profile could be borne in the DropZone.. Are there any psychologists in here that can comment towards motive (besides the $200K) and what compelled Cooper to take such a risky avenue? Wouldn't robbing a bank be much less risky (the getaway)? Finally, what does Cooper have for back-up if he doesn't complete the crime and gets caught at Seattle International Airport. ie. How does he reconcile his demands not being met and still find an escape? He obviously didn't think this aspect through. Which means that he either had a real bomb on board and was prepared to die, or, he had something to give to the press or the public that would embarrass those that could stop him. Just my opinion but I think we have to know more about the man personally to know his motive. In these pages a number of possibilities have been discussed but its all conjecture. Its no secret there were hard times in this area of the country during this period. That was the first thing my grandmother at Vancouver thought of - I dont think he had any backup, unless he had a revolver he was concealing, and the bomb of course. It turned out he had a friend, NWA owner Donald Nyrop who asked people to "cooperate". If you havent seen it you should visit Sluggo's website at: http://n467us.com/ There is a wealth of information there ... Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4756 October 21, 2008 QuoteI can tell that you guys are all thinkers. With all of the brains in this forum and the open dialogue used for conveyance, it seems that the best possible Cooper profile could be borne in the DropZone.. Are there any psychologists in here that can comment towards motive (besides the $200K) and what compelled Cooper to take such a risky avenue? Wouldn't robbing a bank be much less risky (the getaway)? Finally, what does Cooper have for back-up if he doesn't complete the crime and gets caught at Seattle International Airport. ie. How does he reconcile his demands not being met and still find an escape? He obviously didn't think this aspect through. Which means that he either had a real bomb on board and was prepared to die, or, he had something to give to the press or the public that would embarrass those that could stop him. He apparently did have a knife, to cut the parachute cords. He asked Tina to sit next to him. There was at least one other hijack where the hijacker held a knife to a stewardess's throat. (I think that hijacker was shot/killed in the end). I always wondered about why Cooper had a knife. Maybe that was his backup weapon? Actually the knife as weapon was common..here's two: 4 Cubans Hijack Jetliner With 93 to Havana; New York Youth and Girl... New York Times - Feb 4, 1969 It was Captain Moore's second hijacking and Eastern's fifth this year. ... One of them held a seven-inch steak knife at the throat of a stewardess, ... Passenger Thwarts Plane Hijacking New York Times - Jan 7, 1970 The hijacking attempt was made shortly before 5 A.M., when Delta's Flight ... Sharon Eeresford, pressed a six-inch knife to her throat and demanded that he ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4757 October 21, 2008 There is one passenger who was actually on a hijacked plane twice. (two different hijacks) Weird huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4758 October 21, 2008 Quote snowmman said: 2) "The Peddlers' Shop". Being in Florida, it makes sense that Duane was dealing drugs, if he was doing any crime. georger said: You have opened the door so Im going there. Peddlers Shop antiques a peddler of ideas and things likes to read and talk likes to imagine and fantasize has a weak sense of history (antiques) has always wanted a sense of importance & worth he did not have has no faithe. Interesting thoughts, georger. For people who didn't catch it, "The Peddlers' Shop" was the name of Duane and Jo's store in Pensacola. I always thought it was an odd name. Reminded me of the phrase "drug peddler" :) But georger could be right...it does reveal a little about how the owner might think about things? My reading is that it used Peddlers' in the plural, not in the singular Peddler's. (edit) I remember being in a comedy club in Florida in the '80s. Guy comes in with all these women, takes a huge table. He has I guess an early cell phone..one of those big blocky things. The comedian starts making jokes about him dealing drugs, and picks up the phone ...it rings and there's actually someone calling in looking to buy...the comedian got all flustered...that was funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 247 #4759 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuote snowmman said: 2) "The Peddlers' Shop". Being in Florida, it makes sense that Duane was dealing drugs, if he was doing any crime. georger said: You have opened the door so Im going there. Peddlers Shop antiques a peddler of ideas and things likes to read and talk likes to imagine and fantasize has a weak sense of history (antiques) has always wanted a sense of importance & worth he did not have has no faithe. Interesting thoughts, georger. For people who didn't catch it, "The Peddlers' Shop" was the name of Duane and Jo's store in Pensacola. I always thought it was an odd name. Reminded me of the phrase "drug peddler" :) But georger could be right...it does reveal a little about how the owner might think about things? My reading is that it used Peddlers' in the plural, not in the singular Peddler's. (edit) I remember being in a comedy club in Florida in the '80s. Guy comes in with all these women, takes a huge table. He has I guess an early cell phone..one of those big blocky things. The comedian starts making jokes about him dealing drugs, and picks up the phone ...it rings and there's actually someone calling in looking to buy...the comedian got all flustered...that was funny. Jo would know but of course we will never get an impartial vita of what Duane did, and did not do, as an ordinary practicioner of life. There are many rumors surrounding Duane. He did sell antiques for a time. Set up a shop. etc. I suppose we could clarify that, perhaps even come up with some old ads and customers if there were any. My thought was if a person likes antiques that has a connection to history (awareness of?) and it may have been out of that vein (plus certainty psychological prerequisites) which lead to a fixation (projection?) on Cooper, in Duane's mind. Of course if Duane was Cooper then everything Im saying is hogwash. Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #4760 October 22, 2008 First Buzzard came into this forum and insulted me with his post. Some of you were nice enough to come to my defense at that time and now it seems everyone is jumping on the band wagon. True I do not have physical evidence and everyone seems to ignore these FACTS of what I have claimed from day one. I did not know who DAN COOPER was so - WHY would I have documented anything about his confession, I certainly wasn't looking for any proof of his confession when I STUMBLED IN TO who DAN COOPER was 1 yr and 2 months after he died. This is exactly what I have said before about truth and myth - and exactly why Cooper has never been found. The myths continue to grow just like the myths that you guys have just stated about me, Duane and the shop. The Peddler Shop is the correct name - and that name only came about because of an OLD sign he adopted. Duane was NEVER a user of Drug nor have I ever been. As well as I thought I knew some of you guys I cannot believe that you would jump on the band wagon with this BUZZARD and allow the insults to continue and grow into monsters. If Duane had this sense of importance and wanted his confession to be remembered WHY didn't he ask for an attorney or a witness? Why didn't he ask for someone in attendance who would have known what he was talking about? Duane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. Also look at this way - he was recruited because he was not someone who would be identified as a jumper or having any knowledge of it - because his past was so obsured with more than one AKA. AKA's that never made it into his criminal records. The FBI has never explained where Duane was or who he was between 1945 and 1950. I have provided them with the information I know of those yrs and not one word from them. A man does NOT disappear off the face of the earth for 5 yrs. Duane Weber was Cooper - and I what I have told in this forum and to others and the FBI is the truth and nothing but the truth. Because I did not know him in 1971 I have had to fill in many of the blanks by what I did know of this man and how he processed thoughts and how he did things. I have explored many things and for some reason I am always taken back to the very beginning of what I told the FBI and Himmelsbach - the connections I made in 1996 keep coming back. The Sandy Springs incident, the woman who came to my apartment, the trip to Wa in 1979, the stop in Salt Lake to go to the church - I had been to before and he had been to - our time should have been exploring things we had not seen. There was NO need to show me things I had already seen in yrs gone by. His disappearing act at the The Dalles, the strange things he said and the places he took me and the things he said, his second disappearing act in Seattle, his immediately typing his letter of resignation and immediately left for Ala after the money was found. The letter was typed the day after the newpaper artlicle. The things he said over the next few yrs. and things he showed me, all without telling me he was Cooper he showed me his life and he laid the story out but like he was talking about someone else. As I have said - I was the dumb blonde and I was right up until the end. I wasn't interested in the past only the present and the future. It is useless to defend myself or take the time to address the insults. I was feeling good about my life and I come to the forum only to end up in tears. Duane L. Weber was Dan Cooper. I did not hallucinate a ticket, a bank bag, a stub, the items he kept, the confession, the background and everything that came flooding into the very soul of my being - the memories - WHEN I found out who DAN COOPER was - all of these things made sense. God KNOWs I wish he had NEVER told me - it has used up the last 13 yrs of my life. I hope that one day someone will find the proof that the FBI will listen to, but all I have is the memories and I have provided the public and the FBI with everything they needed to lead them to the truth, but the legend is what the FBI and others want to live - NOT the truth because it makes too many people - the FBI, CIA and the government including all of the wanna be's who have written books and are going to write books look badly. Why do I put copyright on my posts? Not because I am writing a book, but so that if and when the truth is EVER made available to the world - at least I will been documented as having tried to tell the story as best as I could. I will not give up until I am mentally and physically not able to do so. I know that the FBI and others have hoped that I would die or just go away. If I was into this for any other reason other than the truth - it has been a terrible waste of my life. When I recount the things that the FBI has NOT explained - the myth that they would rather continue - there are those of you who say why did you go back to that subject. It is those subjects the FBI wants the world to forget about - it is those subjects the FBI and others want you the reader to forget - about. Those things I keep harping on are the things that you guys should NEVER forget about. Remember those things - those are the things that count. The FBI wants you to FORGET about the cigarrette butts and they don't mention them on their site. They want the negatives to go away and I am the only Constant Reminder they have to those things. I am trying to not let the past and the truth become OBSCURED. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 247 #4761 October 22, 2008 Ckret says the bump was re-created by the Air Force. Did these tests also re-create the Oscillations? (oscillation of rate of climb indicator). Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bozo 0 #4762 October 22, 2008 Duane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. Put....him...in...a....parachute. bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 247 #4755 October 21, 2008 QuoteI can tell that you guys are all thinkers. With all of the brains in this forum and the open dialogue used for conveyance, it seems that the best possible Cooper profile could be borne in the DropZone.. Are there any psychologists in here that can comment towards motive (besides the $200K) and what compelled Cooper to take such a risky avenue? Wouldn't robbing a bank be much less risky (the getaway)? Finally, what does Cooper have for back-up if he doesn't complete the crime and gets caught at Seattle International Airport. ie. How does he reconcile his demands not being met and still find an escape? He obviously didn't think this aspect through. Which means that he either had a real bomb on board and was prepared to die, or, he had something to give to the press or the public that would embarrass those that could stop him. Just my opinion but I think we have to know more about the man personally to know his motive. In these pages a number of possibilities have been discussed but its all conjecture. Its no secret there were hard times in this area of the country during this period. That was the first thing my grandmother at Vancouver thought of - I dont think he had any backup, unless he had a revolver he was concealing, and the bomb of course. It turned out he had a friend, NWA owner Donald Nyrop who asked people to "cooperate". If you havent seen it you should visit Sluggo's website at: http://n467us.com/ There is a wealth of information there ... Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #4756 October 21, 2008 QuoteI can tell that you guys are all thinkers. With all of the brains in this forum and the open dialogue used for conveyance, it seems that the best possible Cooper profile could be borne in the DropZone.. Are there any psychologists in here that can comment towards motive (besides the $200K) and what compelled Cooper to take such a risky avenue? Wouldn't robbing a bank be much less risky (the getaway)? Finally, what does Cooper have for back-up if he doesn't complete the crime and gets caught at Seattle International Airport. ie. How does he reconcile his demands not being met and still find an escape? He obviously didn't think this aspect through. Which means that he either had a real bomb on board and was prepared to die, or, he had something to give to the press or the public that would embarrass those that could stop him. He apparently did have a knife, to cut the parachute cords. He asked Tina to sit next to him. There was at least one other hijack where the hijacker held a knife to a stewardess's throat. (I think that hijacker was shot/killed in the end). I always wondered about why Cooper had a knife. Maybe that was his backup weapon? Actually the knife as weapon was common..here's two: 4 Cubans Hijack Jetliner With 93 to Havana; New York Youth and Girl... New York Times - Feb 4, 1969 It was Captain Moore's second hijacking and Eastern's fifth this year. ... One of them held a seven-inch steak knife at the throat of a stewardess, ... Passenger Thwarts Plane Hijacking New York Times - Jan 7, 1970 The hijacking attempt was made shortly before 5 A.M., when Delta's Flight ... Sharon Eeresford, pressed a six-inch knife to her throat and demanded that he ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #4757 October 21, 2008 There is one passenger who was actually on a hijacked plane twice. (two different hijacks) Weird huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #4758 October 21, 2008 Quote snowmman said: 2) "The Peddlers' Shop". Being in Florida, it makes sense that Duane was dealing drugs, if he was doing any crime. georger said: You have opened the door so Im going there. Peddlers Shop antiques a peddler of ideas and things likes to read and talk likes to imagine and fantasize has a weak sense of history (antiques) has always wanted a sense of importance & worth he did not have has no faithe. Interesting thoughts, georger. For people who didn't catch it, "The Peddlers' Shop" was the name of Duane and Jo's store in Pensacola. I always thought it was an odd name. Reminded me of the phrase "drug peddler" :) But georger could be right...it does reveal a little about how the owner might think about things? My reading is that it used Peddlers' in the plural, not in the singular Peddler's. (edit) I remember being in a comedy club in Florida in the '80s. Guy comes in with all these women, takes a huge table. He has I guess an early cell phone..one of those big blocky things. The comedian starts making jokes about him dealing drugs, and picks up the phone ...it rings and there's actually someone calling in looking to buy...the comedian got all flustered...that was funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 247 #4759 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuote snowmman said: 2) "The Peddlers' Shop". Being in Florida, it makes sense that Duane was dealing drugs, if he was doing any crime. georger said: You have opened the door so Im going there. Peddlers Shop antiques a peddler of ideas and things likes to read and talk likes to imagine and fantasize has a weak sense of history (antiques) has always wanted a sense of importance & worth he did not have has no faithe. Interesting thoughts, georger. For people who didn't catch it, "The Peddlers' Shop" was the name of Duane and Jo's store in Pensacola. I always thought it was an odd name. Reminded me of the phrase "drug peddler" :) But georger could be right...it does reveal a little about how the owner might think about things? My reading is that it used Peddlers' in the plural, not in the singular Peddler's. (edit) I remember being in a comedy club in Florida in the '80s. Guy comes in with all these women, takes a huge table. He has I guess an early cell phone..one of those big blocky things. The comedian starts making jokes about him dealing drugs, and picks up the phone ...it rings and there's actually someone calling in looking to buy...the comedian got all flustered...that was funny. Jo would know but of course we will never get an impartial vita of what Duane did, and did not do, as an ordinary practicioner of life. There are many rumors surrounding Duane. He did sell antiques for a time. Set up a shop. etc. I suppose we could clarify that, perhaps even come up with some old ads and customers if there were any. My thought was if a person likes antiques that has a connection to history (awareness of?) and it may have been out of that vein (plus certainty psychological prerequisites) which lead to a fixation (projection?) on Cooper, in Duane's mind. Of course if Duane was Cooper then everything Im saying is hogwash. Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #4760 October 22, 2008 First Buzzard came into this forum and insulted me with his post. Some of you were nice enough to come to my defense at that time and now it seems everyone is jumping on the band wagon. True I do not have physical evidence and everyone seems to ignore these FACTS of what I have claimed from day one. I did not know who DAN COOPER was so - WHY would I have documented anything about his confession, I certainly wasn't looking for any proof of his confession when I STUMBLED IN TO who DAN COOPER was 1 yr and 2 months after he died. This is exactly what I have said before about truth and myth - and exactly why Cooper has never been found. The myths continue to grow just like the myths that you guys have just stated about me, Duane and the shop. The Peddler Shop is the correct name - and that name only came about because of an OLD sign he adopted. Duane was NEVER a user of Drug nor have I ever been. As well as I thought I knew some of you guys I cannot believe that you would jump on the band wagon with this BUZZARD and allow the insults to continue and grow into monsters. If Duane had this sense of importance and wanted his confession to be remembered WHY didn't he ask for an attorney or a witness? Why didn't he ask for someone in attendance who would have known what he was talking about? Duane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. Also look at this way - he was recruited because he was not someone who would be identified as a jumper or having any knowledge of it - because his past was so obsured with more than one AKA. AKA's that never made it into his criminal records. The FBI has never explained where Duane was or who he was between 1945 and 1950. I have provided them with the information I know of those yrs and not one word from them. A man does NOT disappear off the face of the earth for 5 yrs. Duane Weber was Cooper - and I what I have told in this forum and to others and the FBI is the truth and nothing but the truth. Because I did not know him in 1971 I have had to fill in many of the blanks by what I did know of this man and how he processed thoughts and how he did things. I have explored many things and for some reason I am always taken back to the very beginning of what I told the FBI and Himmelsbach - the connections I made in 1996 keep coming back. The Sandy Springs incident, the woman who came to my apartment, the trip to Wa in 1979, the stop in Salt Lake to go to the church - I had been to before and he had been to - our time should have been exploring things we had not seen. There was NO need to show me things I had already seen in yrs gone by. His disappearing act at the The Dalles, the strange things he said and the places he took me and the things he said, his second disappearing act in Seattle, his immediately typing his letter of resignation and immediately left for Ala after the money was found. The letter was typed the day after the newpaper artlicle. The things he said over the next few yrs. and things he showed me, all without telling me he was Cooper he showed me his life and he laid the story out but like he was talking about someone else. As I have said - I was the dumb blonde and I was right up until the end. I wasn't interested in the past only the present and the future. It is useless to defend myself or take the time to address the insults. I was feeling good about my life and I come to the forum only to end up in tears. Duane L. Weber was Dan Cooper. I did not hallucinate a ticket, a bank bag, a stub, the items he kept, the confession, the background and everything that came flooding into the very soul of my being - the memories - WHEN I found out who DAN COOPER was - all of these things made sense. God KNOWs I wish he had NEVER told me - it has used up the last 13 yrs of my life. I hope that one day someone will find the proof that the FBI will listen to, but all I have is the memories and I have provided the public and the FBI with everything they needed to lead them to the truth, but the legend is what the FBI and others want to live - NOT the truth because it makes too many people - the FBI, CIA and the government including all of the wanna be's who have written books and are going to write books look badly. Why do I put copyright on my posts? Not because I am writing a book, but so that if and when the truth is EVER made available to the world - at least I will been documented as having tried to tell the story as best as I could. I will not give up until I am mentally and physically not able to do so. I know that the FBI and others have hoped that I would die or just go away. If I was into this for any other reason other than the truth - it has been a terrible waste of my life. When I recount the things that the FBI has NOT explained - the myth that they would rather continue - there are those of you who say why did you go back to that subject. It is those subjects the FBI wants the world to forget about - it is those subjects the FBI and others want you the reader to forget - about. Those things I keep harping on are the things that you guys should NEVER forget about. Remember those things - those are the things that count. The FBI wants you to FORGET about the cigarrette butts and they don't mention them on their site. They want the negatives to go away and I am the only Constant Reminder they have to those things. I am trying to not let the past and the truth become OBSCURED. Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 247 #4761 October 22, 2008 Ckret says the bump was re-created by the Air Force. Did these tests also re-create the Oscillations? (oscillation of rate of climb indicator). Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bozo 0 #4762 October 22, 2008 Duane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. Put....him...in...a....parachute. bozo Pain is fleeting. Glory lasts forever. Chicks dig scars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 534 #4763 October 22, 2008 thats easy during 1945 to 1950 some little green friends stopped by on a visit from Roswell and spent 5 years teaching high speed exits and levitation techniques to a certain individual in a far away galaxy. This is why the ruse of the "dummy chute" is intended to make us believe he bounced Sorry Jo this is all in jest Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #4764 October 22, 2008 Quote thats easy during 1945 to 1950 some little green friends stopped by on a visit from Roswell and spent 5 years teaching high speed exits and levitation techniques to a certain individual in a far away galaxy. This is why the ruse of the "dummy chute" is intended to make us believe he bounced Sorry Jo this is all in jest nigel99, jokes can't bury the truth, which we all know about Roswell. Luckily Lt. Walter G. Haut made a sealed affidavit in 2002 to be opened after his death, which happened in 2007. Included below. Jo: I assume you are familiar with the CB broadcast after the MLK assasination that the FBI tried to cover up by saying it was a hoax. Duane was familar with CB so I thought you'd see the link. The white mustang was mentioned, which was spotted after the package was dropped off at Canipe Amusements Company. Duane's sense of humor was evident in the selection of weapon: Remington Gamester Model 760 .30-06 (edit) Which is more offensive? Jo's posts about MLK, or mine? DATE: December 26, 2002 WITNESS: Chris Xxxxxx NOTARY: Beverlee Morgan (1) My name is Walter G. Haut (2) I was born on June 2, 1922 (3) My address is 1405 W. 7th Street, Roswell, NM 88203 (4) I am retired. (5) In July, 1947, I was stationed at the Roswell Army Air Base in Roswell, New Mexico, serving as the base Public Information Officer. I had spent the 4th of July weekend (Saturday, the 5th, and Sunday, the 6th) at my private residence about 10 miles north of the base, which was located south of town. (6) I was aware that someone had reported the remains of a downed vehicle by midmorning after my return to duty at the base on Monday, July 7. I was aware that Major Jesse A. Marcel, head of intelligence, was sent by the base commander, Col. William Blanchard, to investigate. (7) By late in the afternoon that same day, I would learn that additional civilian reports came in regarding a second site just north of Roswell. I would spend the better part of the day attending to my regular duties hearing little if anything more. (8) On Tuesday morning, July 8, I would attend the regularly scheduled staff meeting at 7:30 a.m. Besides Blanchard, Marcel; CIC [Counterintelligence Corp] Capt. Sheridan Cavitt; Col. James I. Hopkins, the operations officer; Lt. Col. Ulysses S. Nero, the supply officer; and from Carswell AAF in Fort Worth, Texas, Blanchard's boss, Brig. Gen. Roger Ramey and his chief of staff, Col. Thomas J. Dubose were also in attendance. The main topic of discussion was reported by Marcel and Cavitt regarding an extensive debris field in Lincoln County approx. 75 miles NW of Roswell. A preliminary briefing was provided by Blanchard about the second site approx. 40 miles north of town. Samples of wreckage were passed around the table. It was unlike any material I had or have ever seen in my life. Pieces which resembled metal foil, paper thin yet extremely strong, and pieces with unusual markings along their length were handled from man to man, each voicing their opinion. No one was able to identify the crash debris. (9) One of the main concerns discussed at the meeting was whether we should go public or not with the discovery. Gen. Ramey proposed a plan, which I believe originated from his bosses at the Pentagon. Attention needed to be diverted from the more important site north of town by acknowledging the other location. Too many civilians were already involved and the press already was informed. I was not completely informed how this would be accomplished. (10) At approximately 9:30 a.m. Col. Blanchard phoned my office and dictated the press release of having in our possession a flying disc, coming from a ranch northwest of Roswell, and Marcel flying the material to higher headquarters. I was to deliver the news release to radio stations KGFL and KSWS, and newspapers the Daily Record and the Morning Dispatch. (11) By the time the news release hit the wire services, my office was inundated with phone calls from around the world. Messages stacked up on my desk, and rather than deal with the media concern, Col Blanchard suggested that I go home and "hide out." (12) Before leaving the base, Col. Blanchard took me personally to Building 84 [AKA Hangar P-3], a B-29 hangar located on the east side of the tarmac. Upon first approaching the building, I observed that it was under heavy guard both outside and inside. Once inside, I was permitted from a safe distance to first observe the object just recovered north of town. It was approx. 12 to 15 feet in length, not quite as wide, about 6 feet high, and more of an egg shape. Lighting was poor, but its surface did appear metallic. No windows, portholes, wings, tail section, or landing gear were visible. (13) Also from a distance, I was able to see a couple of bodies under a canvas tarpaulin. Only the heads extended beyond the covering, and I was not able to make out any features. The heads did appear larger than normal and the contour of the canvas suggested the size of a 10 year old child. At a later date in Blanchard's office, he would extend his arm about 4 feet above the floor to indicate the height. (14) I was informed of a temporary morgue set up to accommodate the recovered bodies. (15) I was informed that the wreckage was not "hot" (radioactive). (16) Upon his return from Fort Worth, Major Marcel described to me taking pieces of the wreckage to Gen. Ramey's office and after returning from a map room, finding the remains of a weather balloon and radar kite substituted while he was out of the room. Marcel was very upset over this situation. We would not discuss it again. (17) I would be allowed to make at least one visit to one of the recovery sites during the military cleanup. I would return to the base with some of the wreckage which I would display in my office. (18) I was aware two separate teams would return to each site months later for periodic searches for any remaining evidence. (19) I am convinced that what I personally observed was some type of craft and its crew from outer space. (20) I have not been paid nor given anything of value to make this statement, and it is the truth to the best of my recollection. Signed: Walter G. Haut December 26, 2002 Signature witnessed by: Chris Xxxxxxx http://roswellproof.homestead.com/haut.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SafecrackingPLF 0 #4765 October 22, 2008 If you're on the subject of witnesses, then you owe it to yourself to at least acknowledge the witnesses that are on record. As published in US News and World Report, there may not have been a witness to the actual deathbed confession, but there was a witness to the ramblings about buried money of roughly $173,000. If you're trying to decide if the deathbed confession actually took place, this corroborating witness means it's more likely than not that it actually took place and was not some figment of skyjack's imagination. You can also look to the witness that has gone on record that worked at a hotel down the street from PDX right on Airport way (or there abouts). According to his repeated (and signed) statements, he checked a man in the night before the crime. This man, according to his recollection was taller than average and matches the photos he's seen of Weber. He can recall the name of the man, and did inform the FBI of the peculiar guest back in 71. According to his statement, he joked that the guest's name was like the drink, Tom Collins... the guest reportedly wasn't fond of the joke and replied "well my name's John, not Tom" I can vouch that people DO JOKE about the name Tom Collins. It's my adoptive Dad's name, and he's told me countless stories of the joke. I've also witnessed it personally. This doesn't mean the witness is correct in all of his observations, but certainly seems plausible. You can make up your own mind as to what degree two witnesses have in measuring the merit of skyjack's story, but at least acknowledge that there's more than just one person trying to go against an avalanche of opposing evidence. At some point you have to look at all the evidence, based on only the merit of the evidence, and face the tough reality that most of you are unwilling to admit. I cannot wait to hear about the new findings that I've heard are on their way. I also recently visited Tina's Bar within the last two weeks and will create a YouTube video for you when I get some time next month. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 247 #4766 October 22, 2008 QuoteDuane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. In Cossey's hard pull NB6 no less. Put....him...in...a....parachute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 247 #4767 October 22, 2008 QuoteIf you're on the subject of witnesses, then you owe it to yourself to at least acknowledge the witnesses that are on record. As published in US News and World Report, there may not have been a witness to the actual deathbed confession, but there was a witness to the ramblings about buried money of roughly $173,000. REPLY> Ramblings. Exactly. Witness? What witness? Weber31:994 "....and in those days he walked on water and spoke in tongues . . . only the select shall know but there is understanding in the knowing and the proof of things to come . . . " so saithe the Saints! If you're trying to decide if the deathbed confession actually took place, this corroborating witness means it's more likely than not that it actually took place and was not some figment of skyjack's imagination. You can also look to the witness that has gone on record that worked at a hotel down the street from PDX right on Airport way (or there abouts). According to his repeated (and signed) statements, he checked a man in the night before the crime. This man, according to his recollection was taller than average and matches the photos he's seen of Weber. He can recall the name of the man, and did inform the FBI of the peculiar guest back in 71. According to his statement, he joked that the guest's name was like the drink, Tom Collins... the guest reportedly wasn't fond of the joke and replied "well my name's John, not Tom" REPLY> Let's put up a six figure reward for this witness.... now conveniently tucked away in China ! Why is it only Jo Weber has the light in this whole matter? Why not Britteny Spears! ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4768 October 22, 2008 Hi Safe, Quote You can also look to the witness that has gone on record that worked at a hotel down the street from PDX right on Airport way (or there abouts). According to his repeated (and signed) statements, he checked a man in the night before the crime. This man, according to his recollection was taller than average and matches the photos he's seen of Weber. He can recall the name of the man, and did inform the FBI of the peculiar guest back in 71. According to his statement, he joked that the guest's name was like the drink, Tom Collins... the guest reportedly wasn't fond of the joke and replied "well my name's John, not Tom" we were discussing this a bit back (again). When you say "on record" what record are you talking about? We never got further than some email some guy sent to Jo. Is there more than that? What signed statements are you talking about? Do you have a copy? (edit) My Roswell post is a real notarized affidavit. Everything I said there is true. How come that is given no credence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4769 October 22, 2008 Quote At some point you have to look at all the evidence, based on only the merit of the evidence, and face the tough reality that most of you are unwilling to admit. Hi safe, can you go thru the evidence and show which claim is more likely to be true, gossett or weber, and why? My take is that they are both equally likely. You've seen the videos of gossett's ex-wife and her belief that gossett was cooper, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4770 October 22, 2008 Quote This man, according to his recollection was taller than average and matches the photos he's seen of Weber. He can recall the name of the man, and did inform the FBI of the peculiar guest back in 71. According to his statement, he joked that the guest's name was like the drink, Tom Collins... the guest reportedly wasn't fond of the joke and replied "well my name's John, not Tom" (my italics) I thought the story Jo told was that the Night Clerk was interviewed by the FBI the day after the hijack, and recognized someone who checked in based on the composite they were showing that day (which we all know doesn't look like Weber..can post that early composite again). Then they took the register card, or page, and never returned it. So the Clerk remembered Collins based on that "composite match" event. If that's true, I'm not sure how the clerk could now say that the guy matched the composite then and now also matches Duane. Also, we've never heard that he was "peculiar" before. What was peculiar about him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyjack71 0 #4771 October 22, 2008 QuoteDuane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. QuotePut....him...in...a....parachute. I have given and provided to the FBI the information that may do just that. I have also given and provided to the FBI Duane's connections to other individuals who have been suspects...this information had been given to them before but this time I had MORE to offer because of things I MISSED before. As I have told all of you - I started going thru my old records a few months ago and started matching them with new information - hence why I have said recently that it goes right back to the very beginning... 1997 and 1998 information provided to the FBI at that time. These things are small, but very significant pieces of information that connect Duane to other suspects and could put him in a chute and /or in the company of individuals who had jumping experience. I have done all I can do without going public again - therefore for the time being this is the hands of the FBI. P.S. I do not get the information in the South about Gossetts widow (rather one of them). If anyone has a copy of her interview or can get me a copy I would appreciate it. I have dial-up and cannot view this on line. I will provide an address to anyone willing to mail me a DVD or Video tape of this. I question that if this widow knew he was Cooper why did she wait until he died? Why did this "Union attorney" have to dig her up?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 247 #4772 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuote At some point you have to look at all the evidence, based on only the merit of the evidence, and face the tough reality that most of you are unwilling to admit. Hi safe, can you go thru the evidence and show which claim is more likely to be true, gossett or weber, and why? My take is that they are both equally likely. You've seen the videos of gossett's ex-wife and her belief that gossett was cooper, right? REPLY: My take is he was doing his usual (driveby) to tease, and is gone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4773 October 22, 2008 Numerous confessions by Gossett. Just as strong as anything Duane said. We've not named everyone before here, so here goes. All the confessor parties seem to be credible folks, who believed it. Galen Cook is a minor part of the story. Can be ignored. (I don't believe the Gossett thing. Just saying it's equal probability to Duane. Higher than it being me though.) (the wife video is somewhere, I have to find it again) (edit) found a comment post with cousin claiming "confession" to sister as well as the previously reported sons: http://tencartrain.com/?p=388 denying the truth of the fake story at the url above: comment #66 Gossett cousin on 06.06.08 at 9:28 pm This guy was not the real DB Cooper. My first cousin, Pratt William Gossett pulled off the heist. He confessed this to his sons on his death bed. He also told his sister who didn’t believe him because he had always lead such a “colorful” life. At one point in his life he changed his name to Wolfgang Gossett." attorney confessors from http://www.standard.net/live/news/138977/ That is, perhaps until sometime around 1977, when William "Wolfgang" Gossett marched into Richards' office. Richards was head of the state public defender's office for Weber, Davis and Morgan counties, and Gossett was his investigator. Richards recalled Gossett seemed eager to talk. "He came into my office and said, 'There's something I've got to tell you,' " Richards told the Standard-Examiner. "He said, 'You know, I'm D.B. Cooper.' " Richards' advice to Gossett was quick and to the point: "If it's a joke, don't spread it around. If it's true, don't tell anybody." The attorney has a gut feeling that Gossett, who was 73 when he died from a stroke in Lincoln City, Ore., in 2003, was indeed Cooper. "I thought it probably was true. I always knew him to be truthful." Over the years, Gossett shared his dark secret with several others, including a son, Greg Gossett, who lives in Ogden, and Jim Bjornsen, a close friend and attorney in Newport, Ore. Greg Gossett and Bjornsen were initially skeptical of William Gossett's claim. However, new information uncovered by Galen Cook, a Spokane, Wash., attorney who has been doggedly investigating the Cooper case for more than two decades, has changed their minds. "A lot that he had dug up dovetailed with what Wolfgang told me," Bjornsen said in a phone interview. "I believe William Gossett hijacked that airplane." Cook, who is working on a book chronicling his investigation that may be released by the end of the year, said William Gossett is the most credible Cooper suspect ever. Not only does William Gossett look almost exactly like the FBI composite sketch of Cooper, he also had extensive military training enabling him to safely jump from a jet in poor weather, Cook told the Standard-Examiner in a phone interview. "He had the opportunity, talent and motive to carry out the crime," he said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 247 #4774 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteDuane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. QuotePut....him...in...a....parachute. I have given and provided to the FBI the information that may do just that. I have also given and provided to the FBI Duane's connections to other individuals who have been suspects...this information had been given to them before but this time I had MORE to offer because of things I MISSED before. As I have told all of you - I started going thru my old records a few months ago and started matching them with new information - hence why I have said recently that it goes right back to the very beginning... 1997 and 1998 information provided to the FBI at that time. These things are small, but very significant pieces of information that connect Duane to other suspects and could put him in a chute and /or in the company of individuals who had jumping experience. I have done all I can do without going public again - therefore for the time being this is the hands of the FBI. P.S. I do not get the information in the South about Gossetts widow (rather one of them). If anyone has a copy of her interview or can get me a copy I would appreciate it. I have dial-up and cannot view this on line. I will provide an address to anyone willing to mail me a DVD or Video tape of this. I question that if this widow knew he was Cooper why did she wait until he died? Why did this "Union attorney" have to dig her up? REPLY> I have a good idea. Why dont you turn all of this over to Sluggo and let him make some sense of it all, if he wants, especially since you wont let anyone else make sense of it ... but only jump to the next imponderable? This whole thing is like a square peg that will never drop into a round hole. Even chimpanzees would have figured that out by now . . . Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites snowmman 3 #4775 October 22, 2008 His obituary states that he was stationed at Fort Ord in Monterey Bay, CA in the late 60s. Most speculation about the Zodiac seems to agree that he was either military or ex-military, most likely an Air Force man. Fort Ord was less than 100 miles from the the Zodiac's stalking grounds. Zodiac and Gossett were both between 5'8" and 6'0" and the most famous suspect sketch of the serial killer is a better fit for Gossett as he looked nearly 40 years ago than the Cooper sketches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 Next Page 191 of 2579 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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snowmman 3 #4768 October 22, 2008 Hi Safe, Quote You can also look to the witness that has gone on record that worked at a hotel down the street from PDX right on Airport way (or there abouts). According to his repeated (and signed) statements, he checked a man in the night before the crime. This man, according to his recollection was taller than average and matches the photos he's seen of Weber. He can recall the name of the man, and did inform the FBI of the peculiar guest back in 71. According to his statement, he joked that the guest's name was like the drink, Tom Collins... the guest reportedly wasn't fond of the joke and replied "well my name's John, not Tom" we were discussing this a bit back (again). When you say "on record" what record are you talking about? We never got further than some email some guy sent to Jo. Is there more than that? What signed statements are you talking about? Do you have a copy? (edit) My Roswell post is a real notarized affidavit. Everything I said there is true. How come that is given no credence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #4769 October 22, 2008 Quote At some point you have to look at all the evidence, based on only the merit of the evidence, and face the tough reality that most of you are unwilling to admit. Hi safe, can you go thru the evidence and show which claim is more likely to be true, gossett or weber, and why? My take is that they are both equally likely. You've seen the videos of gossett's ex-wife and her belief that gossett was cooper, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #4770 October 22, 2008 Quote This man, according to his recollection was taller than average and matches the photos he's seen of Weber. He can recall the name of the man, and did inform the FBI of the peculiar guest back in 71. According to his statement, he joked that the guest's name was like the drink, Tom Collins... the guest reportedly wasn't fond of the joke and replied "well my name's John, not Tom" (my italics) I thought the story Jo told was that the Night Clerk was interviewed by the FBI the day after the hijack, and recognized someone who checked in based on the composite they were showing that day (which we all know doesn't look like Weber..can post that early composite again). Then they took the register card, or page, and never returned it. So the Clerk remembered Collins based on that "composite match" event. If that's true, I'm not sure how the clerk could now say that the guy matched the composite then and now also matches Duane. Also, we've never heard that he was "peculiar" before. What was peculiar about him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjack71 0 #4771 October 22, 2008 QuoteDuane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. QuotePut....him...in...a....parachute. I have given and provided to the FBI the information that may do just that. I have also given and provided to the FBI Duane's connections to other individuals who have been suspects...this information had been given to them before but this time I had MORE to offer because of things I MISSED before. As I have told all of you - I started going thru my old records a few months ago and started matching them with new information - hence why I have said recently that it goes right back to the very beginning... 1997 and 1998 information provided to the FBI at that time. These things are small, but very significant pieces of information that connect Duane to other suspects and could put him in a chute and /or in the company of individuals who had jumping experience. I have done all I can do without going public again - therefore for the time being this is the hands of the FBI. P.S. I do not get the information in the South about Gossetts widow (rather one of them). If anyone has a copy of her interview or can get me a copy I would appreciate it. I have dial-up and cannot view this on line. I will provide an address to anyone willing to mail me a DVD or Video tape of this. I question that if this widow knew he was Cooper why did she wait until he died? Why did this "Union attorney" have to dig her up?Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 247 #4772 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuote At some point you have to look at all the evidence, based on only the merit of the evidence, and face the tough reality that most of you are unwilling to admit. Hi safe, can you go thru the evidence and show which claim is more likely to be true, gossett or weber, and why? My take is that they are both equally likely. You've seen the videos of gossett's ex-wife and her belief that gossett was cooper, right? REPLY: My take is he was doing his usual (driveby) to tease, and is gone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #4773 October 22, 2008 Numerous confessions by Gossett. Just as strong as anything Duane said. We've not named everyone before here, so here goes. All the confessor parties seem to be credible folks, who believed it. Galen Cook is a minor part of the story. Can be ignored. (I don't believe the Gossett thing. Just saying it's equal probability to Duane. Higher than it being me though.) (the wife video is somewhere, I have to find it again) (edit) found a comment post with cousin claiming "confession" to sister as well as the previously reported sons: http://tencartrain.com/?p=388 denying the truth of the fake story at the url above: comment #66 Gossett cousin on 06.06.08 at 9:28 pm This guy was not the real DB Cooper. My first cousin, Pratt William Gossett pulled off the heist. He confessed this to his sons on his death bed. He also told his sister who didn’t believe him because he had always lead such a “colorful” life. At one point in his life he changed his name to Wolfgang Gossett." attorney confessors from http://www.standard.net/live/news/138977/ That is, perhaps until sometime around 1977, when William "Wolfgang" Gossett marched into Richards' office. Richards was head of the state public defender's office for Weber, Davis and Morgan counties, and Gossett was his investigator. Richards recalled Gossett seemed eager to talk. "He came into my office and said, 'There's something I've got to tell you,' " Richards told the Standard-Examiner. "He said, 'You know, I'm D.B. Cooper.' " Richards' advice to Gossett was quick and to the point: "If it's a joke, don't spread it around. If it's true, don't tell anybody." The attorney has a gut feeling that Gossett, who was 73 when he died from a stroke in Lincoln City, Ore., in 2003, was indeed Cooper. "I thought it probably was true. I always knew him to be truthful." Over the years, Gossett shared his dark secret with several others, including a son, Greg Gossett, who lives in Ogden, and Jim Bjornsen, a close friend and attorney in Newport, Ore. Greg Gossett and Bjornsen were initially skeptical of William Gossett's claim. However, new information uncovered by Galen Cook, a Spokane, Wash., attorney who has been doggedly investigating the Cooper case for more than two decades, has changed their minds. "A lot that he had dug up dovetailed with what Wolfgang told me," Bjornsen said in a phone interview. "I believe William Gossett hijacked that airplane." Cook, who is working on a book chronicling his investigation that may be released by the end of the year, said William Gossett is the most credible Cooper suspect ever. Not only does William Gossett look almost exactly like the FBI composite sketch of Cooper, he also had extensive military training enabling him to safely jump from a jet in poor weather, Cook told the Standard-Examiner in a phone interview. "He had the opportunity, talent and motive to carry out the crime," he said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 247 #4774 October 22, 2008 QuoteQuoteDuane Weber was devious and secretive, but never dangerous. Just because he was a con who got caught - is exactly why he got away with the crime. He screwed up and he was scared to death. He did a stupid thing and had no way out, but to jump. QuotePut....him...in...a....parachute. I have given and provided to the FBI the information that may do just that. I have also given and provided to the FBI Duane's connections to other individuals who have been suspects...this information had been given to them before but this time I had MORE to offer because of things I MISSED before. As I have told all of you - I started going thru my old records a few months ago and started matching them with new information - hence why I have said recently that it goes right back to the very beginning... 1997 and 1998 information provided to the FBI at that time. These things are small, but very significant pieces of information that connect Duane to other suspects and could put him in a chute and /or in the company of individuals who had jumping experience. I have done all I can do without going public again - therefore for the time being this is the hands of the FBI. P.S. I do not get the information in the South about Gossetts widow (rather one of them). If anyone has a copy of her interview or can get me a copy I would appreciate it. I have dial-up and cannot view this on line. I will provide an address to anyone willing to mail me a DVD or Video tape of this. I question that if this widow knew he was Cooper why did she wait until he died? Why did this "Union attorney" have to dig her up? REPLY> I have a good idea. Why dont you turn all of this over to Sluggo and let him make some sense of it all, if he wants, especially since you wont let anyone else make sense of it ... but only jump to the next imponderable? This whole thing is like a square peg that will never drop into a round hole. Even chimpanzees would have figured that out by now . . . Georger Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snowmman 3 #4775 October 22, 2008 His obituary states that he was stationed at Fort Ord in Monterey Bay, CA in the late 60s. Most speculation about the Zodiac seems to agree that he was either military or ex-military, most likely an Air Force man. Fort Ord was less than 100 miles from the the Zodiac's stalking grounds. Zodiac and Gossett were both between 5'8" and 6'0" and the most famous suspect sketch of the serial killer is a better fit for Gossett as he looked nearly 40 years ago than the Cooper sketches. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
