DB Cooper

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Q&A with director John Dower

 

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"degraded DNA sample could only be used to exclude individuals as possible donors"  

 

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9 hours ago, RobertMBlevins said:

Come on, Flyjack. This is WAY old news. Seattle FBI Agent Frederick Gutt told me this eight years ago, both in an email and a phone call to our office. Not to harp on you, but he also said they (Seattle FBI) wouldn't be doing any more comparisons due to the costs. 

I never claimed the info was new,, 

What is new is the fact that it is in the FBI docs.. previously it was hearsay from agents.

I posted the FBI doc as confirmation...  get it.

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Florence Schaffner said she saw Cooper putting on a back chute,,,

well before takeoff.

 

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How many different law enforcement sketches are there of D.B. Cooper?

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56 minutes ago, Para-DZ said:

How many different law enforcement sketches are there of D.B. Cooper?

All here...

https://citizensleuths.com/cooperimages-sp-260985789.html

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On 3/26/2021 at 9:02 AM, FLYJACK said:

The FBI files describe Cooper's eyes as : "dark eyes, possibly brown"

That doesn't mean possibly Sheridan blue.... IT MEANS DARK, DARK BROWN or BLACK.... 

Ulis keeps pushing the "possibly brown" as "possibly blue" Cooper's eyes were DARK.

 

 

 

Ulis is still using the phrase "possibly brown" to claim it really means "possibly blue",, it doesn't.

Cooper's eyes were described as "dark"... brown or black. Black is actually a very dark brown. 

Sheridan was a 6' 1" balding, blue eyed left handed non smoker..  Sheridan was not latin in appearance, not swarthy, he did not have a wavy/curly/marceled full head of hair. He was 185-200 lbs and living in Nepal.. He does resemble the first sketch but not the more accurate sketch "B".

His image and speech has been widely publicized with no acknowledgement by witnesses.

Sheridan doesn't match Cooper at all. The case for Sheridan is weak to non existent.

 

So, why did the FBI take DNA for a such poor suspect? They also did other poor suspects..

Some of those suspects had advocates within the FBI.

Sheridan was anti Government, an expert skydiver, still alive and agreed to a test,, those factors probably drove their decision to test.

 

Eng pushed for testing LD Cooper,, a ridiculous suspect.

 

 

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3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

All here...

https://citizensleuths.com/cooperimages-sp-260985789.html

Thank you.  I've been trying to post for a couple of weeks but the site must have strict controls.  I think I can post now.  I have many questions and I've been interested in the case for a long time.

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"Special Agent Fred Gutt told Banse, in reference to the DNA taken from the necktie, "it's not a very good sample" and may not have been D.B. Cooper's DNA.

The FBI's Gutt provided more detail yesterday, telling the Associated Press that the failed DNA test is not definitive because agents can't be sure that the DNA on the tie came from D.B. Cooper."

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/08/09/139259039/d-b-cooper-update-fbi-says-no-dna-match-with-new-suspect

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7 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Ulis is still using the phrase "possibly brown" to claim it really means "possibly blue",, it doesn't.

Cooper's eyes were described as "dark"... brown or black. Black is actually a very dark brown. 

Sheridan was a 6' 1" balding, blue eyed left handed non smoker..  Sheridan was not latin in appearance, not swarthy, he did not have a wavy/curly/marceled full head of hair. He was 185-200 lbs and living in Nepal.. He does resemble the first sketch but not the more accurate sketch "B".

His image and speech has been widely publicized with no acknowledgement by witnesses.

Sheridan doesn't match Cooper at all. The case for Sheridan is weak to non existent.

 

So, why did the FBI take DNA for a such poor suspect? They also did other poor suspects..

Some of those suspects had advocates within the FBI.

Sheridan was anti Government, an expert skydiver, still alive and agreed to a test,, those factors probably drove their decision to test.

 

Eng pushed for testing LD Cooper,, a ridiculous suspect.

 

 

Do all the well known suspects have brown eyes?

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2 hours ago, Para-DZ said:

Do all the well known suspects have brown eyes?

By "well known" if you mean high profile public ones.. Off the top of my head, I think they all have brown eyes except Sheridan Peterson but I haven't checked them all. McCoy might have blue eyes.. The FBI investigated around 1000 suspects and about 20 were not eliminated.

Unless the FBI had proven the whereabouts of a suspect during Norjak they eliminated suspects based on a subjective analysis of all factors..  the FBI didn't automatically eliminate on eye colour alone or even height alone unless it was way off.. but the FBI didn't solve this case.

 

"all witnesses have described UNSUB aka Cooper as having brown eyes"

"described as having a dark and swarthy complexion"

 

 

 

Edited April 20, 2021 by FLYJACK

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Rackstraw had blue eyes, Braden too, but those are the only ones I can think of besides Peterson as already mentioned. 

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Flyjack,

What do you know about the “small, brown hair” found on the towel on the headrest of Cooper’s seat. Andrade believes it was kept superglued to a glass square and would be virtually useless to test for DNA. Do you know anything about this? Where was it’s last known location? 

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20 minutes ago, Chaucer said:

Flyjack,

What do you know about the “small, brown hair” found on the towel on the headrest of Cooper’s seat. Andrade believes it was kept superglued to a glass square and would be virtually useless to test for DNA. Do you know anything about this? Where was it’s last known location? 

Last mentioned,, requested in 2002, that is when they wanted to do DNA.

Sent to LA lab in 1974,, in 2002 lab had no record.

Later in 2002 they found a hair sample. Possibly found it??

There was actually two hairs found on the plane, head and limb.

 

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Any knowledge of where that hair/hairs might be? It is now possible to get nuclear DNA from rootless hairs. 

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23 minutes ago, Chaucer said:

Any knowledge of where that hair/hairs might be? It is now possible to get nuclear DNA from rootless hairs. 

No idea..

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Damn. Would the FBI even share that info? Is it possible to do a FOIA request? I have a geneticist who is interested in doing a DNA test on it and conducting a forensic genealogy investigation. Would the FBI cooperate?

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7 minutes ago, Chaucer said:

Damn. Would the FBI even share that info? Is it possible to do a FOIA request? I have a geneticist who is interested in doing a DNA test on it and conducting a forensic genealogy investigation. Would the FBI cooperate?

The only angle is to have the geneticist contact the FBI and ask,,, chances are very slim as the FBI doesn't seem interested in solving the case.

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Who’s the contact person in the FBI now for the Cooper case? Anyone? 

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At this point, I would only be interested in moving forward with a DNA test if we had the hair samples. That looks more and more unlikely at this point. 

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8 hours ago, Chaucer said:

At this point, I would only be interested in moving forward with a DNA test if we had the hair samples. That looks more and more unlikely at this point. 

There is very little chance that the FBI will give any personal data, especially DNA.

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Tom K's sticky stubs from the tie would have the DNA..

The problems are testing is expensive, there may be many individuals and the testing is destructive.

 

Edited April 20, 2021 by FLYJACK

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Didn't Ulis' recent History Channel show indicate that the DNA from Kaye's strips were uselessly contaminated? 

 

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9 minutes ago, Chaucer said:

Didn't Ulis' recent History Channel show indicate that the DNA from Kaye's strips were uselessly contaminated? 

 

That was a vacuum filter that was tested,,,

Kaye has many sticky stubs used to collect particles,,  he doesn't want to destroy those.

But IMO, that is our best source of DNA..

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There are some posts over at the DBCooperForum on DNA.