DB Cooper

[CooperNWO305 149]

18 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Ryan's latest video is a disaster,, this is getting out if hand. Ryan has taken over the case from Ulis as an unofficial spokesman has become a misinformation machine with no challenges.

He is still making false claims about Hahneman. These are not normal errors these are outright fabrications. Ryan is misrepresenting the evidence in the FBI files. Not opinions but facts..

Ryan said there was ID/initials in his baggage FALSE.. No ID or prints on the luggage/clothing was left behind. BVD is a brand.

Ryan said Allentown was his hometown FALSE.. His family lived in Easton but Hahneman did not live with them though he paid the bills. He did stay there briefly on rare occasions sometimes not visiting for years. 

Ryan previously said he was missing half his teeth and now claims upper and lower teeth missing.. FALSE, the file says several upper sides..  I have discovered he was missing the upper bicuspids ( in front of molars ), common for people who need braces to straighten teeth. It was noticed by one person. I have a pic of his lower teeth, none missing.

Ryan again said he had a large growth on his nose.. FALSE.. the files do not say "large" Ryan has added that. In fact, I discovered it was "slight" and reported by only one of about 50 witnesses and I can't find anything in pictures.

He asked for 2000 Benson and Hedges not 3000.. Ryan thinks this means something regarding Cooper. It doesn't, B&H is a premium brand and there are no Raleigh's or coupons in Honduras.. Not asking for Raleigh's means nothing. People do smoke more than one brand or change.

 

It is very easy to disseminate lies and misinformation but very hard to correct them.. 

DO NOT ACCEPT anything from Ryan without double checking. He seams to have a pattern of twisting and misrepresenting the facts while blending it with speculative bias..

 

Amazingly, Ryan admitted Murphy matches sketch B not A and most witnesses liked Murphy (in glasses and hat). That is what you call a "check mate". But Ryan still sticks with A,, why, because he used A for his book cover. So, it is apparent the evidence is irrelevant. The FBI claimed that B was the best likeness but if you agree with the FBI and the evidence you are biased..  Clearly, Ryan has a sketch A bias.

 

Skip Hall's forehead. It is unreal that Ryan can't admit that Skip's forehead is not Cooper's. Skip's forehead lines are not normal they are severe, deep and wide, very unique. No Norjak witness ever mentioned those. Ryan minimizes and dismisses by saying they both had forehead lines.. this is so dishonest, they are not the same, not even close. Skip's SEVERE forehead lines eliminates him.

 

Ryan accurately pointed out that men are better at sizing up other males. Mitchell and Gregory had Cooper at 5'9", it is also in the first description of Cooper (Ryan claims the first is the best). It was later bumped to 5'10" to reflect Tina's height estimate but that doesn't mean the guys were wrong. If Cooper was 6' is it reasonable that Mitchell would get that off by 3 inches even seated.. not likely.

 

Ryan believes Mitchell was the last to board the plane, Gregory thought he was. If Mitchell was already seated then Cooper's only option was sit on the right side. Mitchell said he was "pretty close to the end, but didn't know that for a fact."

Bill Mitchell: “...you know I want to say...I mean I bought my ticket standby and, you know. It was like downstairs, and I’m looking at these flights to Seattle and Northwest has this one. It was like down and I’m looking...and so I bought the ticket, called my parents and, raced up. I want to say pretty close to the end, but I don’t know that for a fact.”

 

Ryan claims that we now know that Cooper jumped about Orchards, the FBI now believes it and there was a several minute delay after the oscillations according to Anderson. THIS IS FALSE.. The FBI expanded the search after finding nothing, there is nothing that changed Soderlind's 8:11 jump time calculation. Anderson did not say there was a several minute delay between oscillations and bump, he said there was a  delay before it was reported to NWA by Rataczak.. that would be the call to Soderlind which took place in the suburbs of Portland. That would put the bump minutes before Orchards. Ryan is misrepresenting Anderson's comment. The made up argument is that FBI conflated the oscillations and bump,, there is no evidence to support this, it is made up. The oscillations increased rapidly culminating in an abrupt "bump".. there was no several minute delay.

 

an abrupt pressure change

There is nothing from Anderson that confirms a delay between the oscillations and bump..

There were oscillations on going, they increased rapidly and at about 8:11 culminating in a physical bump.

I have done a new analysis of data not done by Soderlind. The result was an anomaly at 8:10-11, that matched Soderlind and confirms Cooper left the plane right about 8:11. He could not have left after that. 

There were minor oscillations, then Cooper went to bottom of the stairs at 8:09 (late), mark on FDR and pitch correction. Oscillations increased and Cooper left at 8:11 causing the "bump".

Cooper jumped right about 8:11 and with wind drift he could have landed N of the Lewis R...

Claiming Cooper jumped at Orchards is not supported by any evidence. It is poor speculation.

 

 

Also, a TBAR theory getting recycled is that sand was brought in to the Fazio's from elsewhere with the money in it, this is not possible. First, the money was found at the very Northern most point of the Fazio property, feet away from the next property. The sand operation was at the other end half a mile south. There was no sand operation near the money find spot. But, the Fazio's did not get sand from other operations, they got their sand from the river. They had permits to obtain sand from specific locations in the river. That sand was placed and processed at the south end of their property.

The simplest TBAR explanation is that the money was tossed as one bundle into the Columbia River in Spring/Summer at Frenchman's Bar 2.5 miles upstream on the WA side. The money had become a liability to somebody.. Frenchman's is a public park with parking and easy beach access unlike TBAR. The bundle was likely in a bag or container to conceal it, either it floated long enough to reach TBAR (about 50 min) during a high water event or sank and was pushed along the bottom to its spot.. So, who would have a bundle.. A stew or family member, somebody paid for a ride or somebody found a bundle Cooper lost in the jump...

There are other possibilities..

 

Is there some new info on the flight path, jump time, winds, etc. that I missed hearing about to conclusively put the jump or landing over Orchards? I remember that being the southern most point for some theories, but that was just a range. 

[FLYJACK 697]

An Orchards landing is speculation, there is no evidence for it...

It is a product of groupthink 50+ years later..

It is very common and rational in this case for people to look for things that were missed or wrong initially to explain the failure to resolve the case.. to do that 50+ years later requires some good evidence, that does not exist for Orchards.

Some error or misunderstanding must have occurred for the case to be unsolved.. so there is a bias to extreme speculation. 

Problem is... it is a high bar to prove these things and too many people are using speculation..  A handful of influencers are driving the narrative and mislead people by expressing opinions, not facts.

To claim it is now settled that Cooper jumped at Orchards is an expression of an opinion, it is not fact and has no supporting evidence..

Be very suspicious of opinions masquerading as fact..

 

No evidence Cooper jumped at Orchards, the evidence supports 8:11. 

No evidence for Cunningham's revised path times,, evidence supports original times.

No evidence to corroberate Cossey's NB6 claim.. evidence contradicts Cossey's description and we can't confirm the model of the military rig Cooper used.

No evidence Cooper was 6' tall. This is an opinion. FBI used 5'8" as the lower bound for suspects and witnesses had him from 5'9".

No evidence sketch A is more accurate than B.. That is an opinion. FBI said B is more accurate. Sketch B is an almost perfect match for Murphy and many witnesses liked Murphy (below glasses w hat on). This is key because Murphy was viewed by witnesses well before sketch B was created.

Edited 4 hours ago by FLYJACK

[Nicholas Broughton 69]

On 1/22/2025 at 9:36 AM, FLYJACK said:

They had permits to obtain sand from specific locations in the river. That sand was placed and processed at the south end of their property.

 

Where did you get the info that the Fazio’s had permits to obtain sand from specific locations on the river? Any documentation for this? This seems unlikely. Even though ocean beaches in Washington state are publicly owned, river banks are privately owned. They would need approval from the local landowners, as well as a permit from the government for each location they wanted to use. 

 

[FLYJACK 697]

3 minutes ago, Nicholas Broughton said:

Where did you get the info that the Fazio’s had permits to obtain sand from specific locations on the river? Any documentation for this? This seems unlikely. Even though ocean beaches in Washington state are publicly owned, river banks are privately owned. They would need approval from the local landowners, as well as a permit from the government for each location they wanted to use. 

 

It seems unlikely because you made a false assumption.. 

These were areas marked on a map in the River. Not the beach, shore or banks..

I assume they clamshell dredged then barged to the Fazio's... but that was not explained.

The next line of thought is,, did the sand from the river for their operation contain the money. Extremely unlikely, the money would have had to go into the river then get scooped, deposited back onto the Fazio's then get washed back into the River to land a half mile downstream..  all while maintaining its integrity. Nope.

[CooperNWO305 149]

5 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

An Orchards landing is speculation, there is no evidence for it...

It is a product of groupthink 50+ years later..

It is very common and rational in this case for people to look for things that were missed or wrong initially to explain the failure to resolve the case.. to do that 50+ years later requires some good evidence, that does not exist for Orchards.

Some error or misunderstanding must have occurred for the case to be unsolved.. so there is a bias to extreme speculation. 

Problem is... it is a high bar to prove these things and too many people are using speculation..  A handful of influencers are driving the narrative and mislead people by expressing opinions, not facts.

To claim it is now settled that Cooper jumped at Orchards is an expression of an opinion, it is not fact and has no supporting evidence..

Be very suspicious of opinions masquerading as fact..

 

No evidence Cooper jumped at Orchards, the evidence supports 8:11. 

No evidence for Cunningham's revised path times,, evidence supports original times.

No evidence to corroberate Cossey's NB6 claim.. evidence contradicts Cossey's description and we can't confirm the model of the military rig Cooper used.

No evidence Cooper was 6' tall. This is an opinion. FBI used 5'8" as the lower bound for suspects and witnesses had him from 5'9".

No evidence sketch A is more accurate than B.. That is an opinion. FBI said B is more accurate. Sketch B is an almost perfect match for Murphy and many witnesses liked Murphy (below glasses w hat on). This is key because Murphy was viewed by witnesses well before sketch B was created.

I usually know you hit a nerve when people on the FB group start talking about Hahneman. There was an anonymous post about him and then Chris B. one of the Vordhal people who is still sticking with him and Crucible made a comment about every witness except one saying Cooper was Caucasian. Total muddying of the waters. Cooper was swarthy. Dark. Hahneman and Smith both get the half truth stories. It reminds me of a Senate confirmation hearing where one side tells only what they want and it’s out of context. The social club is our version of MSNBC. EU apparently has some new info on where Cooper worked. Why anyone believes it is beyond me. 
 

It’s been 54 years, and the narrative on there keeps changing. B was a good sketch for Braden and Vordhal, but I guess not now. Somehow Chris C. knows what brand the sunglasses were and where he jumped. No one disagrees anymore. I guess if you look at the same thing over and over again then you want something for your time. 
 

Sifting through the transcript of Ryan’s YouTube, I see a lot on Hahneman. The mispronunciation of his name is grating. Him going after Hahneman is akin to ad hominem at this point. Very little is ever discussed about Hahneman, but you are attacked for researching him all of a sudden when you disagree with Ryan.  Hahneman gets called out. 5’8 was fine when he liked Braden. B sketch was fine when he liked Vordhal. As usual Skip Hall gets praise too. 
 

Ryan has consistently said there is 0% percent chance Smith is Cooper. No suspect is 0%. It’s the same old misdirection and cherry picking. His reason for 0%? Well, because Smith’s daughter says so. But he never says she was 6 in 1971. Never. He claims she waited up looking for headlights and that if he was gone on Thanksgiving then who would have cooked dinner? Come on. And he worked two jobs? When, in 1971? Working two jobs is a red flag at anytime. In 1971 then you needed money. In 1990 then you needed money (they claim Cooper lost the $), or someone is working two jobs pretending to not be Cooper. 
 

It is actually getting to be like EU. “If I say it, then people will believe”. But it’s always prefaced with “I like so and so, but I disagree with them”. Well at least give the facts. 
 

EU does not speak for the whole group and neither does Ryan. No one does. But if someone is going to speak then at least acknowledge the facts or that you changed your stance once you changed suspects or the pros of Smith and Hahneman. It looks to me that some people get upset that others have a say in this case. The effort put into going after Gryder was amazing. If you disagree with the social club you get the wrath. But no one is really listening anyhow. 
 

And the group wonders why Dan Gryder gets the microphone and not them. 

Edited 3 minutes ago by CooperNWO305
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