DB Cooper

[georger 248]

1 hour ago, olemisscub said:

So you find an OP-ED from 2017 simply claiming it started in the 60's and that's your proof that it predates the 80's? And we're the amateurs? I'd think an honest researcher such as yourself would use contemporary evidence from before Nov 24, 1971 to refute Georger's claim and not the word of a dude writing into a newspaper in 2017. 

Newspapers dot com doesn't have jack squat about "Minnesota Nice" before the 80's. If you can provide some actual proof of your assertion that it predates NORJAK, I'm sure we'll all admit to being wrong (something you continue to be pathologically incapable of doing). 

This is actually funny. I lived through this here in Ioway. Garrison Keillor and A Prairie Home Companion did character comedy on everyone and everything in the Midwest...  in the 1980s.  Minnesota Nice, Yupper 'yoops', Ioway ' corn heads', Wisconsin cheese heads, Boiled Fish Lunch ... etc. But all of that post dates the Cooper hijacking. In 1971 Keillor's antics and his public acclaim hadn't even happened yet - FJ is clearly reaching for validation. 

FJ needs to focus on what Cooper actually said. It's such a simple idea! No need for deep analysis or reinvention!

FJ has a  playbook he turns to when things dont go his way. Its funny. I enjoy it!

 

Edited yesterday at 12:04 AM by georger

[FLYJACK 727]

5 hours ago, olemisscub said:

So you find an OP-ED from 2017 simply claiming it started in the 60's and that's your proof that it predates the 80's? And we're the amateurs? I'd think an honest researcher such as yourself would use contemporary evidence from before Nov 24, 1971 to refute Georger's claim and not the word of a dude writing into a newspaper in 2017. 

Newspapers dot com doesn't have jack squat about "Minnesota Nice" before the 80's. If you can provide some actual proof of your assertion that it predates NORJAK, I'm sure we'll all admit to being wrong (something you continue to be pathologically incapable of doing). 

No, that explains the racist angle, there are lots of other sources.

"Minnesota Nice" is just the informal term for the behaviour, the term was promoted by the State after NORJAK but the behaviour predated it. People just call them "nice" and that behaviour goes way back to the 1930's and Scandinavian immigrants.. You guys are focused on the term not the descriptive behaviour which is what Cooper might have been acknowledging.. 

Cooper could have been referring to their "nice" behaviour which predates NORJAK..

So yes, you guys are wrong.. and amateurs..

 

https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/kindness-behind-midwest-nice#:~:text=It's thought that Minnesota Nice,friendships once they open up.

https://theconversation.com/the-contradictions-of-minnesota-nice-236751

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2009/12/14/syljones

 

Your apology should be forthcoming.. and add all the other lies and errors in there as well..

[FLYJACK 727]

4 hours ago, georger said:

This is actually funny. I lived through this here in Ioway. Garrison Keillor and A Prairie Home Companion did character comedy on everyone and everything in the Midwest...  in the 1980s.  Minnesota Nice, Yupper 'yoops', Ioway ' corn heads', Wisconsin cheese heads, Boiled Fish Lunch ... etc. But all of that post dates the Cooper hijacking. In 1971 Keillor's antics and his public acclaim hadn't even happened yet - FJ is clearly reaching for validation. 

FJ needs to focus on what Cooper actually said. It's such a simple idea! No need for deep analysis or reinvention!

FJ has a  playbook he turns to when things dont go his way. Its funny. I enjoy it!

 

Georger, you are just wrong..

"Minnesota Nice" is an informal term, the "nice" behaviour predates NORJAK, that is just a fact.

You guys don't understand that people of that area were described as "nice" well before NORJAK.

Cooper may have been describing the people not the geography. That is a legitimate theory.

[73blazer 1]

Well if it's anything like "southern hospitality" it really means we'll be nice to you on the face, but we really don't want you here and you should leave and go back to the bar off the interstate exit.

[CooperNWO305 155]

There is chatter from Mary J. about updating the list of Wiki suspects to remove some names. Like she has a say in that. Her sole contribution to the case is a series of memes and spinning up William Smith’s daughter. 
 

The social group still thinks that if they “feel” a certain way then they are in the right. Remember, you can call someone a POI and you are a stand up guy, but if you use the term suspect you aren’t. Even if the term POI is exactly the same thing. Apparently Skip Hall is Forest Gump and has been everywhere in the world and was a shrimp boat captain and is hands down the best suspect on the matrix. Again an example of no one being willing to question certain people and suspects. 

Edited yesterday at 03:39 PM by CooperNWO305

[FLYJACK 727]

24 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

There is chatter from Mary J. about updating the list of Wiki suspects to remove some names. Like she has a say in that. Her sole contribution to the case is a series of memes and spinning up William Smith’s daughter. 
 

The social group still thinks that if they “feel” a certain way then they are in the right. Remember, you can call someone a POI and you are a stand up guy, but if you use the term suspect you aren’t. Even if the term POI is exactly the same thing. Apparently Skip Hall is Forest Gump and has been everywhere in the world and was a shrimp boat captain and is hands down the best suspect on the matrix. Again an example of no one being willing to question certain people and suspects. 

Is Skip Hall still being flogged as a suspect? 

He has many bumps on his face and severe forehead lines that are so unique and obvious no witness would would miss it...  the silver bullet.

Skip is eliminated. Anybody defending him is delusional.

Skip is the NEO Duane Weber..  and the Vortex continues to slide into the abyss.

The case is going backwards.. and has become a cult.

Edited yesterday at 04:02 PM by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 727]

On 1/27/2025 at 10:53 AM, FLYJACK said:

Skip Hall 1968 interview....

He shows extreme forehead lines and big creases from the outside of the eyes down over the cheeks..

He also has a large growth on his left side above the mouth next to the moustache.. very prominent in motion video, harder to see in a still.. another growth on the right side below the nostril..  and a small mole/mark upper left cheek as well as an obvious scar. 

No NORJAK witness mentioned any of these unique features,,, ELIMINATED

Of course, nobody pointed this out to Limbach..

 

 

 

Forehead lines and cheek scar. Large Growth above mouth.

Cheek scar, large growth. 2 of them.

growth above mouth scar and mole/mark

 

scar, mole and 2 growths.

Severe creases...

 

 

Clearly NOT Cooper's face/forehead.. lumps bumps and severe creases that witnesses would not have missed.

Waste your time on Skip boys and girls, you will never get it back...

Edited yesterday at 04:04 PM by FLYJACK

[CooperNWO305 155]

22 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Clearly NOT Cooper's face/forehead.. lumps bumps and severe creases that witnesses would not have missed.

Waste your time on Skip boys and girls, you will never get it back...

There has been some good research, but this belief that one has to fit their suspect to every little clue is unnecessary. 
 

I do love how his big nose is not an issue but Smith’s and Hahneman’s noses are. 
 

For now Gryder, Ulis, and Edwards have the majority of the publicly, and of course McCoy. 

[olemisscub 521]

1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

He has many bumps on his face and severe forehead lines that are so unique and obvious no witness would would miss it...  the silver bullet.

Skip is eliminated. Anybody defending him is delusional.

So the witnesses WOULD NOT have missed some bumps and forehead lines, yet you expect us all to believe that they WERE such poor eyewitnesses that they thought ANY of the sketches were an accurate portrayal of Hahneman? The Cooper eyewitnesses would have to be the worst eyewitnesses in all of human history for you to be right on this, so you nitpicking Skip Hall is laughable. No one has to even nitpick Hahneman to eliminate him visually. Skip isn't Cooper, but he's INFINITELY better than Hahneman. 

 

 

[olemisscub 521]

43 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

 

I do love how his big nose is not an issue but Smith’s and Hahneman’s noses are. 
 

I've said many times that his nose and attractiveness are his biggest flaws. 

[FLYJACK 727]

Just now, olemisscub said:

So the witnesses WOULD NOT have missed some bumps and forehead lines, yet you expect us all to believe that they WERE such poor eyewitnesses that they thought ANY of the sketches were an accurate portrayal of Hahneman? The Cooper eyewitnesses would have to be the worst eyewitnesses in all of human history for you to be right on this, so you nitpicking Skip Hall is laughable. No one has to even nitpick Hahneman to eliminate him visually. Skip isn't Cooper, but he's INFINITELY better than Hahneman. 

 

 

Like clockwork... straw-man. 

I am not flogging Hahneman, the only time I mention him is when you spread misinformation..

The fact is Skip Hall has unique features that are obvious and no witness mentioned.

He is NOT Cooper.

Anybody who ignores that Skip Hall silver bullet is either lying or delusional. 

[FLYJACK 727]

4 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I've said many times that his nose and attractiveness are his biggest flaws. 

His biggest flaw is that he isn't Cooper.

[olemisscub 521]

12 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

You guys are focused on the term not the descriptive behaviour which is what Cooper might have been acknowledging.. 

Cooper could have been referring to their "nice" behaviour which predates NORJAK..

 

This is perhaps the single goofiest, as well as totally pointless, theory ever put forth by an investigator with credibility. 

He was making small talk. Nervous. Smoking a cigarette. Go look up any list of US states by beauty. I'm sure Minnesota is listed in the top half of all of them. There is lots of pretty scenery in Minnesota. He was just making small talk and being polite. 

Implying that Cooper MAY have been engaging in some sort of pun whilst in the middle of a hijacking where his life and freedom were at stake is goofy. 

[olemisscub 521]

1 minute ago, FLYJACK said:

Like clockwork... straw-man. 

I am not flogging Hahneman, the only time I mention him is when you spread misinformation..

The fact is Skip Hall has unique features that are obvious and no witness mentioned.

He is NOT Cooper.

Anybody who ignores that Skip Hall silver bullet is either lying or delusional. 

Not a strawman. You don't get to have it both ways. You don't get to nitpick minute details of other people's suspects and claim that they should be eliminated because the witnesses WOULD have noticed something, while at the same time totally expecting these same eagle-eyed witnesses to ignore the litany of things wrong with your own suspect. 

[CooperNWO305 155]

7 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I've said many times that his nose and attractiveness are his biggest flaws. 

You’re using misdirection and red herrings as well as your personal beef with Flyjack to move focus from Hall. One has nothing to do with the other. It has become like clockwork. 

[CooperNWO305 155]

3 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Not a strawman. You don't get to have it both ways. You don't get to nitpick minute details of other people's suspects and claim that they should be eliminated because the witnesses WOULD have noticed something, while at the same time totally expecting these same eagle-eyed witnesses to ignore the litany of things wrong with your own suspect. 

Why can’t he question a suspect? He’s called out legitimate issues. Again, you bring in Hahneman. It dilutes your arguments. If Fly brings in Vordhal and Braden then what? Are you banned from critiquing? What about all the other people who have their ideas? Hall gets a pass because John is in the social club inner circle. 

[FLYJACK 727]

3 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

This is perhaps the single goofiest, as well as totally pointless, theory ever put forth by an investigator with credibility. 

He was making small talk. Nervous. Smoking a cigarette. Go look up any list of US states by beauty. I'm sure Minnesota is listed in the top half of all of them. There is lots of pretty scenery in Minnesota. He was just making small talk and being polite. 

Implying that Cooper MAY have been engaging in some sort of pun whilst in the middle of a hijacking where his life and freedom were at stake is goofy. 

No it isn't, Cooper could have been describing the characteristics of the people or the geography.

You and Georger failed with your post NORJAK "nice" claim, but it doesn't matter you ignore your error and just carry on.. amateur.

You think it is goofy and belittle it because you despise anything I suggest. 

You don't know what he meant, neither do I.. only Cooper knows.

 

[CooperNWO305 155]

8 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

This is perhaps the single goofiest, as well as totally pointless, theory ever put forth by an investigator with credibility. 

He was making small talk. Nervous. Smoking a cigarette. Go look up any list of US states by beauty. I'm sure Minnesota is listed in the top half of all of them. There is lots of pretty scenery in Minnesota. He was just making small talk and being polite. 

Implying that Cooper MAY have been engaging in some sort of pun whilst in the middle of a hijacking where his life and freedom were at stake is goofy. 

I think he just meant Minnesota is nice country, which it is, very nice. But there’s nothing to say he would not use puns and jokes. He said “I don’t bite”. He seemed to be having a good time. 

[CooperNWO305 155]

3 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

No it isn't, Cooper could have been describing the characteristics of the people or the geography.

You and Georger failed with your post NORJAK "nice" claim, but it doesn't matter you ignore your error and just carry on.. amateur.

You think it is goofy and belittle it because you despise anything I suggest. 

You don't know what he meant, neither do I.. only Cooper knows.

 

Right. Only Cooper knows. But you’d think by the Facebook posts that the Cooper group knows exactly what he meant 50 years later. The color of the parachute is a new one. We can’t even get the rigs right, but somehow we know what color the canopies were. We just don’t know for sure on many things. 

[FLYJACK 727]

6 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Not a strawman. You don't get to have it both ways. You don't get to nitpick minute details of other people's suspects and claim that they should be eliminated because the witnesses WOULD have noticed something, while at the same time totally expecting these same eagle-eyed witnesses to ignore the litany of things wrong with your own suspect. 

Of course it is a straw-man, that is your go to when you have no argument.

Instead of admitting the facts you use a distraction. Look a squirrel...

You can't help yourself, you have gotten away with it for so long it is in your nature.

You just won't acknowledge the facts about Skip Hall's dramatic facial features that eliminate him. 

They are still there whether I point them out or not or whether Hahneman ever existed...

 

Yes, you are straw-manning because most low information people fall for it and you can manipulate opinions.. but it is dishonest. 

 

[CooperNWO305 155]

26 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

So the witnesses WOULD NOT have missed some bumps and forehead lines, yet you expect us all to believe that they WERE such poor eyewitnesses that they thought ANY of the sketches were an accurate portrayal of Hahneman? The Cooper eyewitnesses would have to be the worst eyewitnesses in all of human history for you to be right on this, so you nitpicking Skip Hall is laughable. No one has to even nitpick Hahneman to eliminate him visually. Skip isn't Cooper, but he's INFINITELY better than Hahneman. 

 

 

I’m confused here. I thought the A sketch is your go to now. 

[FLYJACK 727]

2 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Right. Only Cooper knows. But you’d think by the Facebook posts that the Cooper group knows exactly what he meant 50 years later. The color of the parachute is a new one. We can’t even get the rigs right, but somehow we know what color the canopies were. We just don’t know for sure on many things. 

The parachute colour came from Cossey.. Ryan's go to for reliable info.

Cossey also claimed the NB6 and NB8 which conflict with the evidence, he also lied about the chutes.

So, what colour were they,, probably white, but not necessarily. 

Cossey and Emrich both acknowledged the X on the dummy.  Since Cossey made the dummy if only he had mentioned the X that would be suss,, but it was also from Emrich..

But Cossey has become his own Rorschach.. people just take from him what fits their preconception..

He is factual here but lying there....

Anything from Cossey is unreliable without corroboration.

[FLYJACK 727]

22 minutes ago, CooperNWO305 said:

I’m confused here. I thought the A sketch is your go to now. 

HAHAHAHA...

That's what happens when you advocate a bad position rather than pursue the truth...

and I don't think Skip's nose is an issue..

Edited yesterday at 05:56 PM by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 727]

I noticed Skip's hair is so thin that he had to part it on both sides...

In the pic on the right there are even more bumps visible on this face and a dimpled chin.

AND THAT FOREHEAD...  THOSE WRINKLES....   get real people. 

Edited yesterday at 06:08 PM by FLYJACK

[CooperNWO305 155]

1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

I noticed Skip's hair is so thin that he had to part it on both sides...

In the pic on the right there are even more bumps visible on this face and a dimpled chin.

AND THAT FOREHEAD...  THOSE WRINKLES....   get real people. 

I don't know if John L. is being diplomatic, or he really believes that by calling someone a POI instead of a suspect absolves him from any "ethics" issues imposed by the social club.  EU was one of the first to claim using POI was ok, but not suspect.  So calling someone a POI, writing a book, or having news stories is ok, just as long as you don't use the term "suspect".  Anyone who subscribes to this is just splitting hairs.  The Vordahl team absolved themselves of all "wrondoing" by not putting him on Wiki or the news, but it was ok to announce him at the conference and for Nicky to blast his name every day for years.  The fact is that the social group does not make the rules of life or ethics.  It is a bunch of hobbyists, known mostly to a small group.  Mary J or others who want to criticize can keep doing it, I'm fine to be judged by people who have no impact on my life.

Also, John says that because he is not a suspect peddler then it's ok and because he has not come out and named Hall as Cooper then he is still above the fray.  He wrote a book about him, it is on Amazon under DB Cooper books.  Come on.

Enough of the hypocrisy from the whole Vortex.  If you mention someone in the Cooper case, then you are outing them, whether or not they have a criminal record.  Own it.

Who are the suspect peddlers? That term has become cliche.  Does having one suspect make you a peddler?  Two suspects, three suspects like Nicky? 

I don't have an issue with John's research, it obviously took a lot of time.  My issue is that no one is willing to question anything.

Edited yesterday at 07:14 PM by CooperNWO305
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