DB Cooper

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18 minutes ago, georger said:

Minnesota "nice" is irrelevant. That's your invention and nothing more. 

The passage from the interview is: He asked her where she was from and she told him she was from Pennsylvania but was living in Minneapolis. He replied that ‘Minneapolis, Minnesota is very nice country’.

The reference is places, not people! Tina and Cooper's exchange relates to places, not people. He said nothing about the people of Pennsylvania or‘Minneapolis, Minnesota. He specified 'country'. Country refers to land, water, sky, and geographical physical features.

Moreover, you are far more interested in winning a political dispute you started, than truth. Damned near everything you say and do is "political"!

 

Not my invention.. 

country can be the physical geography or a place...

You don't know what Cooper meant.. stop pretending you do.

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23 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

I've never called anyone a POI. They're suspects as far as I'm concerned. 

And there's no "real evidence" for ANYONE in this case. If there were, they'd probably be Cooper. 

Glad to hear it... we agree. POI is nonsense.

Nobody can put a suspect on the plane,,, all we have is circumstantial...  some better than others.

My worry is that because of the poor FBI evidence there is no way to put a suspect on the plane. Solving to that level may be impossible.

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27 minutes ago, olemisscub said:

Precisely. Flyjack could have been the Michael Jordan of some sport or competition if he focused his pathological competitiveness on something else besides Cooper. 

As far as I am concerned there is no legit dispute,,, you guys are expressing a claim of knowledge that you do not possess. You both claim to know what Cooper meant.

Ironically, both of you lied and claimed I was claiming to know what Cooper meant even though I clearly said otherwise.. Only Cooper knows.

Cooper could have meant the geography or the people from that place..

Fact is.. NICE was a characteristic of the people from Minnesota prior to NORJAK..

What I find interesting is that the underlying motive for the nice behaviour changed. After NORJAK it was used to promote tourism... Of course Minnesotan people didn't suddenly become nice after NORJAK, it was there well before..  In the 60's it was masking racism.. if Cooper knew that perhaps he was referring to it.

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27 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Not my invention.. 

country can be the physical geography or a place...

You don't know what Cooper meant.. stop pretending you do.

I know what he said! I can read... 

You would go further suggesting that Cooper misspoke, or said one thing but meant another, or whatever else you can conjure up.

This is personal-political with you. I doubt anyone cares. I will sleep easy tonight knowing I'm right!

 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:33 AM by georger

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46 minutes ago, georger said:

I know what he said! I can read... 

You would go further suggesting that Cooper misspoke, or said one thing but meant another, or whatever else you can conjure up.

This is personal-political with you. I doubt anyone cares. I will sleep easy tonight knowing I'm right!

 

 

Actually, you don't know what Cooper said,, we have an agents notes for what Tina recalled... you did not hear Cooper speak.

If Tina was accurate, "nice country" can mean geographically or a characteristic of the people from that place.

If you disagree that is a possibility that is fine but it is an opinion, not a fact.

When you guys lie and make false claims as you both did that is being dishonest.

Edited yesterday at 03:18 AM by FLYJACK

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nothing can be said - - - its truly defeating and pointless.

 

Edited yesterday at 07:23 AM by georger

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11 hours ago, olemisscub said:

Yep. Not enough to eliminate him. The fact that this is all you have on Hall shows his strength as a suspect. Dave is bitching about people not attacking Skip. Well...what is there really to attack him on? I think his nose is somewhat too large for my liking and he doesn't look homely. Sure, when he raises his eyebrows he has forehead wrinkles. They are much less apparent when he's not. None of that is really enough to eliminate him IMO when he has so many positives working in his favor. 

Help us out here, what are say the top 5 to 7 things that make Hall this fantastic Cooper suspect? Above all the rest or most of the rest?  Remember, we heard that about Klansnic, Vordahl, Braden, Catalano, etc. etc.

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9 hours ago, georger said:

nothing can be said - - - its truly defeating and pointless.

 

Tina actually said "He indicated" not he said...

That suggests Tina was recalling and paraphrasing..

So, we don't know exactly what Cooper said or what he meant.

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20 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

I noticed Skip's hair is so thin that he had to part it on both sides...

In the pic on the right there are even more bumps visible on this face and a dimpled chin.

AND THAT FOREHEAD...  THOSE WRINKLES....   get real people. 

 

Is there a good colour image, his eyes look too light, zoom in pic on left, what colour are they?

Cooper's hair was slicked or greasy, had something in it.. and parted on the left.

Hall's hair is so thin he has to part it on both sides...it looks slicked.

Cooper's hair was described as wavy/marceled/curly,, Hall's is not. 

He has a dimpled chin and several noticeable lumps/bumps on the right side of his face. Other pics show several more lumps/bumps near his mouth.

That forehead is severe and unique..

Hall does not match the witness descriptions..

Those sideburns are crazy.

 

Hall admitted he worked for the CIA...  

Edited yesterday at 01:51 PM by FLYJACK

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Fun fact..

Skychefs was owned by American Airlines...

Did Cooper fly to Portland on American Airlines?

Looking for AA schedule...

Didn't fly to Portland.. Oct 31/71

 

July 1971 schedule...  many runs used a 727..

Did Cooper attempt and abort an AA flight before NWA?

Edited yesterday at 05:13 PM by FLYJACK

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3 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

 

Is there a good colour image, his eyes look too light, zoom in pic on left, what colour are they?

Cooper's hair was slicked or greasy, had something in it.. and parted on the left.

Hall's hair is so thin he has to part it on both sides...it looks slicked.

Cooper's hair was described as wavy/marceled/curly,, Hall's is not. 

He has a dimpled chin and several noticeable lumps/bumps on the right side of his face. Other pics show several more lumps/bumps near his mouth.

That forehead is severe and unique..

Hall does not match the witness descriptions..

Those sideburns are crazy.

 

Hall admitted he worked for the CIA...  

I read the book last night on Kindle. John is meticulous. I just have a different interpretation. I have some commentary I’ll put together. My initial impression is that Hall was a story teller and exaggerated things and that from the standpoint of a regular person/civilian that his military experience was interesting, but from someone who has served and knows the deal, I don’t find it unusual at all. His military experience that is. Now his Cuba stuff, I’d have to look at more info. I think he liked the attention. 
 

I’d like to hear the top 10 reasons he is the best Cooper suspect or even a top one. 

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Skip has an interesting story,, he just wasn't Cooper..

I am sure Ryan will quickly post the top 10 facts Skip had to be Cooper.

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1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

Skip has an interesting story,, he just wasn't Cooper..

I am sure Ryan will quickly post the top 10 facts Skip had to be Cooper.

It will be buried in a 3 hour YouTube video with commentary from the peanut gallery about how awesome the information is.  I used up all my Cooper time last night reading the Skip book.  Hopefully Ryan summarizes things for those of us who prefer things to be written down.

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HAHAHA..   Ryan is losing it, he is emotionally invested in Hall and can't accept that his extreme facial features eliminate him..

Nobody said to "attack" Hall.. just challenge. Why lie Ryan.

Anybody who claims Hall's facial features are normal is delusional.

Hall has SEVERE forehead lines, SEVERE lines around his eyes and at least 4 noticeable bumps/lumps on his face,,, they are so unique and obvious they would not go unnoticed by witnesses. They eliminate Hall unless you are biased. To claim they are normal is absurd. Hahneman had 4 normal forehead lines, you are relying on one poor image to spread misinformation.

I do not actively promote Hahneman... I only respond to your persistent misinformation about him and even then I hold back info, you are just using him as a strawman to defend and deflect from Hall.

You don't have all the info/images I have... and you are still making false claims based on errors and incomplete info.. your analysis of Hahneman is juvenile. No, he was not 5-7.. He was recorded and 5-8 and 5-9 self reporting without shoes.

Hahneman has nothing to do with Hall.. Hall's extreme facial features still exist without me or Hahneman...

When I do present the full case for Hahneman heads will explode, even if I do eliminate him by then. 

Remember, Alice said Cooper's sunglasses were prescription.. that would mean Cooper wore regular glasses as well. How many suspects wore regular glasses? You keep ridiculing Hahneman for wearing glasses,, he wore prescription sunglasses for his hijacking. 

Cooper was not Canadian,, the penalty for hijacking in the US is far more severe than in Canada..  A Canadian would hijack a Canadian plane, if caught in Canada he would get a light sentence..  the risk is far more sever to commit a crime in the US.

I agree with the American/US currency thing, I was the one who originally brought it up years ago and Tom ran with it, but it doesn't make him Canadian, bad logic.. it means Cooper spent time outside the US in a non US currency environment, could be a foreigner or an American, perhaps Vietnam..

How do you know when Cossey was lying...  you don't.. So claiming he didn't lie to the FBI is expressing an opinion that you have no way to know.. I believe Cossey was initially mistaken about the chutes, not lying. He then maintained that error by lying... I handle Cossey by using corroboration, without corroboration Cossey's claims can't be accepted. Cossey most certainly lied to the FBI about his records. So, yes you are wrong.

I have an undisclosed image of Cooper... looks 95% like Hahneman. Ryan keeps using a really bad newspaper AI enhanced image to trash Hahneman, I have many images of him and he looks like 3 completely different people... 

Comp A was not better than B...  Ryan's logic is flawed claiming A is better because it was earlier,, with that logic the very first pre A sketch should be the best.. but the logic is flawed because the process to create the sketches was not the same. SketchA was quick and dirty,, Sketch B involves more witnesses going back and forth over a longer time.. Tina didn't see Cooper's face, Flo was flakey and Rose said he interviewed two stews... not three.. the FBI files say all, one of them is wrong. Hahneman is a near perfect match to the Murphy image the witnesses liked.. Ryan knows that but ignores it. 

Money was NOT human buried. 

Money is rounded.. tumbling along the sandy bottom.

Bored, can't listen to the rest....

 

 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by FLYJACK

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12 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

HAHAHA..   Ryan is losing it, he is emotionally invested in Hall and can't accept that his extreme facial features eliminate him..

Nobody said to "attack" Hall.. just challenge. Why lie Ryan.

Anybody who claims Hall's facial features are normal is delusional.

Hall has SEVERE forehead lines, SEVERE lines around his eyes and at least 4 noticeable bumps/lumps on his face,,, they are so unique and obvious they would not go unnoticed by witnesses. They eliminate Hall unless you are biased. To claim they are normal is absurd. Hahneman had 4 normal forehead lines, you are relying on one poor image to spread misinformation.

I do not actively promote Hahneman... I only respond to your persistent misinformation about him and even then I hold back info, you are just using him as a strawman to defend and deflect from Hall.

You don't have all the info/images I have... and you are still making false claims based on errors and incomplete info.. your analysis of Hahneman is juvenile. No, he was not 5-7.. He was recorded and 5-8 and 5-9 self reporting without shoes.

Hahneman has nothing to do with Hall.. Hall's extreme facial features still exist without me or Hahneman...

When I do present the full case for Hahneman heads will explode, even if I do eliminate him by then. 

Remember, Alice said Cooper's sunglasses were prescription.. that would mean Cooper wore regular glasses as well. How many suspects wore regular glasses? You keep ridiculing Hahneman for wearing glasses,, he wore prescription sunglasses for his hijacking. 

Cooper was not Canadian,, the penalty for hijacking in the US is far more severe than in Canada..  A Canadian would hijack a Canadian plane, if caught in Canada he would get a light sentence..  the risk is far more sever to commit a crime in the US.

I agree with the American/US currency thing, I was the one who originally brought it up years ago and Tom ran with it, but it doesn't make him Canadian, bad logic.. it means Cooper spent time outside the US in a non US currency environment, could be a foreigner or an American, perhaps Vietnam..

How do you know when Cossey was lying...  you don't.. So claiming he didn't lie to the FBI is expressing an opinion that you have no way to know.. I believe Cossey was initially mistaken about the chutes, not lying. He then maintained that error by lying... I handle Cossey by using corroboration, without corroboration Cossey's claims can't be accepted. Cossey most certainly lied to the FBI about his records. So, yes you are wrong.

I have an undisclosed image of Cooper... looks 95% like Hahneman. Ryan keeps using a really bad newspaper AI enhanced image to trash Hahneman, I have many images of him and he looks like 3 completely different people... 

Comp A was not better than B...  Ryan's logic is flawed claiming A is better because it was earlier,, with that logic the very first pre A sketch should be the best.. but the logic is flawed because the process to create the sketches was not the same. SketchA was quick and dirty,, Sketch B involves more witnesses going back and forth over a longer time.. Tina didn't see Cooper's face, Flo was flakey and Rose said he interviewed two stews... not three.. the FBI files say all, one of them is wrong. Hahneman is a near perfect match to the Murphy image the witnesses liked.. Ryan knows that but ignores it. 

Money was NOT human buried. 

Money is rounded.. tumbling along the sandy bottom.

Bored, can't listen to the rest....

 

 

 

Any summary on why Skip is the best Cooper suspect since Vordhal? I’ll get to the transcript at some point. From what I have now, this is why Skip is the best suspect. 
 

1. Ryan doesn’t like Fly. 

2. Ryan does not like Hahnemann as a suspect. 

3. Skip was anti Castro

4. Skip is number 1 in Ryan’s matrix that no one has seen and no one has been able to input their own ratings. 
 

Maybe I’ll ask on Reddit. 

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1 hour ago, CooperNWO305 said:

Any summary on why Skip is the best Cooper suspect since Vordhal? I’ll get to the transcript at some point. From what I have now, this is why Skip is the best suspect. 
 

1. Ryan doesn’t like Fly. 

2. Ryan does not like Hahnemann as a suspect. 

3. Skip was anti Castro

4. Skip is number 1 in Ryan’s matrix that no one has seen and no one has been able to input their own ratings. 
 

Maybe I’ll ask on Reddit. 

Ryan posted his matrix weeks ago.. it is an overly simplistic analysis for Cooper suspects..... Bragging that Hall is #1 is propaganda.

Ryan can't explain why Skip is Cooper.. because he wasn't.

He just just attacks those who point out Hall's flaws,, shoot the messenger strategy because he has no legit response..

 

FACT,, Hall has severe forehead lines, far beyond normal.

FACT,, Hall has severe lines from his eyes down his face.

FACT,, Hall has at least 4 significant and noticeable bumps/lumps on his face.

FACT,, Hall has a mole on his left upper cheek, perfectly visible to Tina and other witnesses.

FACT,, None of these things was ever mentioned by any Cooper witness. NOT ONE.

Conclusion, Hall was NOT Cooper.

 

Ryan's response is to minimize, claiming forehead lines are just normal, everyone has them..  not the severe ones like Hall has plus all the other unique facial features.

Maybe I need to do a Hall debunking video,,, the utter garbage pushed in this case is getting out of hand,, these people are taking the case backwards pushing bad suspects, bad theories, lies and misinformation. Pied Piper syndrome.

and Cunningham's revision of the flightpath times presented at CooperCon as fact without any challenge indicates how cultish the Vortex has become. That nonsense has become fact in the case.. How does the case advance when the most basic evidence gets distorted and used as fact..

I am not against CooperCon per se, but be very careful, some of these people are ego driven and not presenting facts,, they are presenting unchallenged opinions presented as fact.

 

This is Ryan's Matrix he posted a while ago, credit for posting it BTW. 15 items,,, very basic and flawed... my matrix has close to 200 items and growing.

Hahneman has most of these,, He has aviation "crew" experience but not necessarily a "pilot"... and he is between 5-9 to 5-10 in shoes.. Ryan is using 5-10 as the lower bound when the FBI used 5-8 and stated do not use height to (5-8) to eliminate.. Ryan doesn't know Cooper's exact height. "727 knowledge".. what does that mean, technical knowledge or have flown on a 727??

So, if you actually use the FBI's height parameter not Ryan's opinion and an "aircrew member" vs "pilot" Hahneman gets a 15/15 on Ryan's matrix if 727 knowledge means has flown on....  So, Hahneman is actually #1..  A perfect score.

This is LITERALLY what mine is. Just a series of things that I think make sense.  You can get plus or minus points or just a neutral. For example, I don't know if Cooper was actually a pilot or not, so I wouldn't dock a point for not being a pilot, but it doesn't hurt to be a pilot, so I'll give you a point for pilot training. 

Smoker?

Drinker?

Aviation Background?

727 knowledge?

Parachute training?

Olive/Dark complexion?

Neutral Accent?

Age 40-50?

Pilot?

Opportunity?

Familiar with PNW?

Would know McChord?

Any reason for odd chemicals to be on your clothing?

Demolition training?

Height 5'10 to 6'?

 

Let's add minus 15 points for having obvious and extremely unique facial features not noticed by witnesses...

Hall gets 0 points or less...

Edited 3 hours ago by FLYJACK

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Ryan's depiction of Cooper's forehead lines is reasonable...

 

Hall's forehead lines are EXTREME and unique. Anybody who thinks these are the same is delusional.

 

I don't think he has the mouth quite right... more like Murphy.. you know the guy they really liked in glasses with the hat. He also has saggy jowls..

 

and Cooper's complexion should darker.. 

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51 minutes ago, FLYJACK said:

Ryan's depiction of Cooper's forehead lines is reasonable...

 

Hall's forehead lines are EXTREME and unique. Anybody who thinks these are the same is delusional.

 

I don't think he has the mouth quite right... more like Murphy.. you know the guy they really liked in glasses with the hat. He also has saggy jowls..

 

and Cooper's complexion should darker.. 

I remember him mentioning the categories, but I meant that I’d like to see the matrix in action. I assume it’s in Excel, and I’d like to see how the points are calculated. Is it one point if you have something and zero if you don’t, etc. 

At first the wrinkles did not seem like a big deal, but after seeing the pics in the book, Hall seems to have the noticeable wrinkles in most pics.