DB Cooper

[FLYJACK 732]

Original "FBI" Sage map on left..  Cunningham's revised theory on right now used as evidence.. (wrong)

 

[CooperNWO305 155]

16 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Maybe Cunningham and Ryan can explain their dissemination of fake evidence including a high profile demo at the last CooperCon.... ask them why are times all shifted from the original map.. 

I don't know if Cunningham was the initial inventor of the altered times but advocated this theory as if fact.. He misled the PHD students and they also spread the false times..  The assumption is that because a mark is missing before 8:05 the map creator marked the times wrong.. one off. So, they changed the evidence.. WRONG.

Let's be perfectly clear, this is a theory and is provably false.. not probably, but provably. complete bunk. 

Now, this map and those falsely altered times gets passed off as factual evidence.. Ryan has claimed Cunningham is the expert he defers to.. aka,, throws Cunningham under the bus.

So, we have a small group misleading everyone pushing the jump south and advocating a false jump location. 

Cunningham has always tried to put Cooper in the Columbia R..

Cooper jumped about 8:11...

They distort the evidence then use that lie as proof they figured out the jump zone..

Ryan lied and said the FBI now agrees with them,, they didn't, he was using Carr who is no longer an FBI agent and DOES NOT speak for the FBI..

Do not fall for it. Those altered times are wrong. Their jump zone is wrong.

 

They actually have two errors.

They missed a mark and got the spacing wrong.

and how can a plane travel double the distance in one minute it did in the previous minute,, 

distance from 8:15 to 8:16 is double 8:14 to 8:15… and shifted numbers.

 

and the times have been changed by one minute.

8:10 is really 8:11,, right about where Cooper jumped.

 

I don't know what is going on with FB, if anybody has challenged this or not they blocked me even though I never posted anything ever. What are they afraid of, the truth.

Go ahead ask them to explain it, they can't it is made up.

 

 

No one challenged it as far as I know, unless you count EU's Western Flight Path.  I'd be curious to see what R99 and Georger think about it.  Marty too.  A few others.  

[FLYJACK 732]

1 hour ago, CooperNWO305 said:

No one challenged it as far as I know, unless you count EU's Western Flight Path.  I'd be curious to see what R99 and Georger think about it.  Marty too.  A few others.  

The path is ok, the revised times are wrong.. We lost R99 with the forum change, maybe somebody can contact him?? Georger gets really grumpy when people change the evidence but he has a secret thing with Cunningham. I like Marty, but he went off the reservation with the Clara/Dayton stuff.. 

Where are the critical thinkers... nothing worse than (falsely) altering case evidence and pushing it as new info.

Edited yesterday at 05:05 PM by FLYJACK

[georger 251]

1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

The path is ok, the times are wrong.. We lost R99 with the forum change, maybe somebody can contact him?? Georger gets really grumpy when people change the evidence but he has a secret thing with Cunningham. I like Marty, but he went off the reservation with the Clara/Dayton stuff.. 

Where are the critical thinkers... nothing worse than (falsely) altering case evidence and pushing it as new info.

I tend to agree with you. The issue is: can you use the money find as a variable, or even determiner, of the flight path. Tosaw said yes and now Chaucer is saying yes. I dont think the money find is a 'flight path variable'. I dont think the color of Cooper's socks is a 'flight path variable'!

Chaucer wants to put the money in the river. That is his motivation for altering the FBI flight path. I dont think that is a true argument. Otherwise just move the drop zone over Tena Bar and be done with it, whether it is true or not! To my mind, the money find location and all flight path-drop zone variables are independent facts. The Tena Bar money was found where it was found completely independent of the flight path and drop zone. Which is Tom's Kaye's original stance. I have always subscribed to that original position...      

Edited yesterday at 05:21 PM by georger

[FLYJACK 732]

1 minute ago, georger said:

I tend to agree with you. The issue is: can you use the money find as a variable, or even determiner, of the flight path. Tosaw said yes and now Chaucer is saying yes. I dont think the money find is a 'flight path variable'. I dont think the color of Cooper's socks is a 'flight path variable'!

Chaucer wants to put the money in the river. That is his motivation for altering the FBI flight path variables. I dont think that is a valid argument. Otherwise just move the drop zone over Tena Bar and be done with it, whether it is true or not! To my mind, the money find location and all flight path-drop zone variables are independent facts. The Tena Bar money was found where it was found completely independent of the flight path and drop zone. Which is Tom's Kaye's original stance. I have always subscribed to that position...      

I agree and I don't have an issue wth new theories even if wrong.. they need vetting.

That is how the case moves forward..

The problem is when these things get spread, promoted and used as fact... unchallenged.

The PHD people created a presentation for CooperCon using false/altered path times now that presentation becomes fact to many people,, once bad info gets accepted in the Cooper domain it is hard to unwind it from the narrative.

 

 

 

[FLYJACK 732]

For those that don't have it..

Sluggo's page in the archives.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190210220215/http://n467us.com/

[CooperNWO305 155]

2 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

The path is ok, the revised times are wrong.. We lost R99 with the forum change, maybe somebody can contact him?? Georger gets really grumpy when people change the evidence but he has a secret thing with Cunningham. I like Marty, but he went off the reservation with the Clara/Dayton stuff.. 

Where are the critical thinkers... nothing worse than (falsely) altering case evidence and pushing it as new info.

Marty got pushed into that whole thing.  With time he may have been able to realize the program he used was outdated and that the amount of writing was not enough to make a comparison. However, anyone can compare what we have and tell you the letters don't match.

I'll call it like I see it.  I believed then and still believe now that it was an effort to discredit William Smith (unbeknownst to Marty).  Nicky and Jude were quick to jump on the results, Jude and Ryan were part of the research, and Chris C. was right there to defend Marty and call the research legit.  This was all exacerbated by the Dayton crew wanting Barb to be part of Gunther. It is always the same usual suspects.  The amount of regulars on the case is small, so personalities and agendas are easy to spot.

This is the video I did debunking the whole thing.  I could do more, but it is not worth the time.  At some point I should upload the files I used, but again, not worth my time right now.  The whole stylomtery field is fascinating and I was able to correspond with some of the well known academics in the field.  I even spent some time analzying posters on the old DB Cooper Forum and identifed a number of people with mulitple screen names. In those cases there was more than enough text to compare.  It just goes to hilight the antics in this case.  Frankly, I really miss Bruce Smith and a few others.  

 

[georger 251]

1 hour ago, FLYJACK said:

I agree and I don't have an issue wth new theories even if wrong.. they need vetting.

That is how the case moves forward..

The problem is when these things get spread, promoted and used as fact... unchallenged.

The PHD people created a presentation for CooperCon using false/altered path times now that presentation becomes fact to many people,, once bad info gets accepted in the Cooper domain it is hard to unwind it from the narrative.

 

 

 

Dont be mesmerized by 'the phD people'. I agree with everything else, basically. I think the FP is secure. What isnt secure is the origin of the money, how the money got there are when, and who Cooper was! Im surprised the whole case has gone on this long!

[CooperNWO305 155]

1 hour ago, georger said:

Dont be mesmerized by 'the phD people'. I agree with everything else, basically. I think the FP is secure. What isnt secure is the origin of the money, how the money got there are when, and who Cooper was! Im surprised the whole case has gone on this long!

The money was buried at Tena Bar.  How do we know this?  Well, EU says it and a hydrologist who went to CooperCon said it.

[georger 251]

6 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

For those that don't have it..

Sluggo's page in the archives.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190210220215/http://n467us.com/

Do you want me to try and get R99 here?

I emailed R99 to try and get him here ...

Edited 21 hours ago by georger

[FLYJACK 732]

4 hours ago, CooperNWO305 said:

The money was buried at Tena Bar.  How do we know this?  Well, EU says it and a hydrologist who went to CooperCon said it.

Yup, money wasn't human buried but we will never know how it got there outside of a few plausible theories...

 

Based on the evidence this is what I believe so far..

Money came from River.

Money landed as one rubber banded bundle of three packets.

Money went into the River in Spring/Summer.

Money was in same condition/order as when given to Cooper.

Money rounded off due to tumbling along sandy bottom.

Money tumbled along bottom during a high water event to end up at the high water mark.

Have 3 theories for how the money got into the River.. no way to prove anything.

 

Considering a new possible theory that the 1974 dredge layer was on top of money and eroded away by 1980. The dredge layer Palmer identified as 1974 was actually a pre Norjak 1970 layer... The money was on top of the 1970 layer but under the 1974 layer until 1980 when it became exposed. So, Palmer assumed the money arrived after 1974 because it was above the dredge layer. It makes more sense if that was actually the 1970 layer.

 

Edited 21 hours ago by FLYJACK

[FLYJACK 732]

7 minutes ago, georger said:

Do you want me to try and get R99 here?

sure, he is part of the community...  we don't all agree on things but he should know the forum is active again

[georger 251]

I emailed R99 to try and get him here...

[dudeman17 342]

Sorry, just an amusing sidenote...

The other day I watched the 1972 movie The Getaway where Steve McQueen plays a bank robber on the run. There was a brief scene where he was sitting on a bus stop bench next to a woman. He got up and left, then she picked up and opened a newspaper to see an article about him and his picture. The article next to it had a headline that read something like 'Search ends for Hijacker'.

[FLYJACK 732]

15 minutes ago, dudeman17 said:

Sorry, just an amusing sidenote...

The other day I watched the 1972 movie The Getaway where Steve McQueen plays a bank robber on the run. There was a brief scene where he was sitting on a bus stop bench next to a woman. He got up and left, then she picked up and opened a newspaper to see an article about him and his picture. The article next to it had a headline that read something like 'Search ends for Hijacker'.

Newspaper dated.. April 1972.

Obviously those props are fake,, 

[FLYJACK 732]

Feet first..

[georger 251]

19 hours ago, FLYJACK said:

Feet first..

I PMd  you about R99 and his email ...  that might help get him here ???  GL.