DB Cooper

[Sluggo_Monster 0]

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So fire away any wants & suggestions.

Here’s my major submission for the “Faces” Project.

Mr. Cool (my pseudonym)
Attended High School in Seattle, WA
Class of 1953

See file: Mr Cool 1971.jpg

Spent two years army (82nd Airborne), two years smokejumper, two years college at Wenatchee. Basketball and football

Born = 02/1934
Age in 1971 = 37 years
Age in 2008 = 74

See file: Mr Cool Aprox 2000 – 2003.jpg


Boeing377 can act as my proxy on this. I may be “out-of-pocket for a while.

Sluggo_Monster (From Little Rock, AR headed for “the Ranch” at Los Alamos)

Web Page
Blog
NORJAK Forum

[georger 256]

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So fire away any wants & suggestions.

Here’s my major submission for the “Faces” Project.

Mr. Cool (my pseudonym)
Attended High School in Seattle, WA
Class of 1953

See file: Mr Cool 1971.jpg

Spent two years army (82nd Airborne), two years smokejumper, two years college at Wenatchee. Basketball and football

Born = 02/1934
Age in 1971 = 37 years
Age in 2008 = 74

See file: Mr Cool Aprox 2000 – 2003.jpg


Boeing377 can act as my proxy on this. I may be “out-of-pocket for a while.

Sluggo_Monster (From Little Rock, AR headed for “the Ranch” at Los Alamos)

Good deal, will include. I will be visiting your site
soon just to see any new additions which spark my
interest. If you have more photo (dont care who or what) send them along Sluggo 'cause Im going to try and get the package together and send, next week. Will be glad to fill you in on the side - hope
ur ok?
Georger

(edited* This post edited due to stucky-sticky
keys from New Years Eve. )

[georger 256]

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WELL, i have been watching this thread since the first page of the old thread. As a jumper with almost 4000 jumps and a history buff i found it amusing to watch and chime in with questions now and then.
Well, now i am just finding it a bit annoying now watching. I am going to start with Jo- You need to remember a few old sayings, never bite the hand that feeds you and never burn a bridge. WAKE UP! you snap almost have two personalities, one that wants to yell "Look at where you guys have gone - exactly where I told the FBI to look - for clues (1962 thru 1969). If you guys think the FBI did their job - then all of you need to stop seeking answers in the direction you are going" or YOU GUYS NEED TO LOOK, or the FBI needs to do this or that. Clue in on what sombody else wrote when they said to the FBI this is not an active case. to explain that in simple terms nobody is actively investigating this case. CKRET did this pretty much as a side hobby. You burned your bridge along ago with the FBI with all the critical harsh remarks you make to and about them. Why would they want to listen to you when all you do is bitch about them and badmouth them. This exactly why several people that could have been valueable to the forum such as CKRET, Sluggo, PLF are gone, you cant bitch and demand from sombody as you do then expect then to do your bidding.

Snow, Georger, 377- you three can find a needle in a haystack on the net. but somtimes just ignore jo's babblings and bring up things like you do. work with CKRET even if it's off line, Ckret has more cards in his hand and showing a good poker face if he tips his hand more it may give you somthing to complete the puzzle. Keep it on the subject please. a teacher from canada going to cuba?????? I think i missed the significance.

I went head to head with one of my own (a fellow jumper) who happened to be sombody who played a significant role in where skydiving is today as a sport. He in some ways was right in others wrong. You don't realize the info sources who have posted here, Jim West and his wife, Airtwardo, and several others these folks have so much knowlege on our world it's scarey and were jumping when this happened. I guess what i am saying is drop the damn cigerettes and tie clasp Jo they are gone accept it and leave it alone. Find the new angles and if you are going want sombody to work on them don't give half info or talk in riddles. It does no good if you don't share info you have and expect others to share with you. I want to see this thead go somewhere this year and find new info like sluggo did last year. Have a great new year folks and try to understand what i mean cause there is a big difference in reading and comphrending. and lastly, one of the things jumpers laugh at the most is when non jumpers use our terminology and traditions to try to sound intellegent. There is meaning on the words Whuffo or blue skies, etc you don't understand. My screen name is making fun of people like the one tandem wonders out there who after a tandem jump think they are a skydiver.
Don't take this as a bashing Its not. I just want to redirect where this form is going( down hill and quade about to pull the plug),
Thanks
D

Good words. Thanks.

Georger

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One is from LIFE, and is nice because it's the highest resolution copy of the 1971 sketch I can find. You can save it and zoom in and see details of how the sketch artist drew it. Pretty nice.

The second is just a random picture of the web when I was looking at olive complexions. The guy is a good example of nose too big, and lower cheeks too broad. Forehead not big enough? But if you really wanted to, you could convince yourself, kinda close. It's a modern pic. I'm guessing the guy's in the cooper age. Overall, a bit too masculine.

I'm curious if this thing georger is talking about can actually produce anything interesting. What kind of output does it produce? A single number? How does it weight various parts of the "match". What if the sketch is wrong on one part...doesn't that screw us up badly?

How are varying hairlines dealt with in terms of the final "match" number?

[snowmman 3]

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a teacher from canada going to cuba?????? I think i missed the significance.

It's totally significant, if Cooper is alive.

although Canada is likely to be more lenient than US, there's a good argument for jury nullification here. i.e. if Cooper just gives himself up, and pleads guilty, (assuming alive and in 80s) then it's unlikely he'd serve any jail time.

The biggest thing the prosecutor would probably look for is prohibiting Cooper from making any money off the crime.

Cooper could have kids. So there could be that reason to not plead.

But the idea of the FBI slapping the cuffs on Cooper and making a big deal out of it...don't see it happening. They'd be laughingstocks if they did. Remember: this whole Cooper thing is a big cartoon now.

The Canada case is interesting because it's a precedent for what a conviction might bring, if Cooper had lived right since then.

It's a little bit unfair, cause some US hijackers are still in prison. Some US hijackers are out of prison. It seems to me the courts were inconsistent in how they sentenced back then.

It would be even funnier if the argument that doing it "just for cash" was worse than doing it for political reasons....i.e. "terrorism".

(edit) It should also remind us of how foolish it is to get all serious about this thing. It's just an interesting mind puzzle. Real life is ugly. This is cartoon.

(edit) A reason to not confess might if other crime had been done since then. There might be an investigation that could uncover something worse?

(edit) Or: if any part of the grudge was "F*** the system" the maximal F*** is maintained by not confessing?
Then again Critton didn't confess. Maybe it's just a hassle, and no one would think of doing it.

[georger 256]

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two attachs
One is from LIFE, and is nice because it's the highest resolution copy of the 1971 sketch I can find. You can save it and zoom in and see details of how the sketch artist drew it. Pretty nice.

The second is just a random picture of the web when I was looking at olive complexions. The guy is a good example of nose too big, and lower cheeks too broad. Forehead not big enough? But if you really wanted to, you could convince yourself, kinda close. It's a modern pic. I'm guessing the guy's in the cooper age. Overall, a bit too masculine.

I'm curious if this thing georger is talking about can actually produce anything interesting. What kind of output does it produce? A single number? How does it weight various parts of the "match". What if the sketch is wrong on one part...doesn't that screw us up badly?

How are varying hairlines dealt with in terms of the final "match" number?

Reply> The LIFE photo is a beauty. Will include the other as a control along with other randoms. Im
not sure how many control photos he uses or how
he works them in?

The system is very sophisticated and will do anything required, and more. My primary concern
right now is that the opportunity not vanish so I
dont want to dally with the offer, before other
more pressing matters would intervene.

[georger 256]

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So fire away any wants & suggestions.

Here’s my major submission for the “Faces” Project.

Mr. Cool (my pseudonym)
Attended High School in Seattle, WA
Class of 1953

See file: Mr Cool 1971.jpg

Spent two years army (82nd Airborne), two years smokejumper, two years college at Wenatchee. Basketball and football

Born = 02/1934
Age in 1971 = 37 years
Age in 2008 = 74

See file: Mr Cool Aprox 2000 – 2003.jpg


Boeing377 can act as my proxy on this. I may be “out-of-pocket for a while.

Sluggo_Monster (From Little Rock, AR headed for “the Ranch” at Los Alamos)

Sluggo, I do have one concern you might be able
to help with -

Whatever Duane photos I send, I want them to be
the correct Duane photos with nothing important
left out.

I would even rather send photos you or Jo select
than chose them myself, if it would help with
authenticity - reliability of the comparison.

Its entirely up to you and Jo.

The offer is 100% open.

PM me if we need to converse.

Georger

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Reply> The LIFE photo is a beauty. Will include the other as a control along with other randoms. Im
not sure how many control photos he uses or how
he works them in?

No the LIFE photo should be the control. It's the SKETCH. from 1971.
see the problem is, the other versions we have of the sketch are low resolution and missing detail. They look "washed out".

I think the LIFE photo is the closest to the original sketch, isn't it? It looks a lot better doesn't...i.e. easier to imagine a real person. It must have been scanned from a negative of a picture they took of the sketch back in '71/'72? (the caption said 1971)

Did you not realize the one labeled "LIFE" was the '71 sketch? (or '72..whenever it came out)

The other photo is just a random modern photo of some guy from a studio portrait shot. It was in color, I changed it into b/w.

Actually I've got some good color shots of "olive" complexions also.

(edit) I just realized I misread georger's original post...hopefully I've not confused the issue.

[georger 256]

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Reply> The LIFE photo is a beauty. Will include the other as a control along with other randoms. Im
not sure how many control photos he uses or how
he works them in?

No it should be the control. It's the SKETCH. from 1971.
see the problem is, the other versions we have of the sketch are low resolution and missing detail. They look "washed out".


REPLY> GOT IT. I understand and agree.

Send whatever photos you want included. I have the
71 SKETCH already labeled as '71 SKETCH - CNTRL'.

Any photos you submit label them with a brief explanation which I will copy directly into the Description.

Im open to any and all advice from whoever -

G.

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Reply> The LIFE photo is a beauty. Will include the other as a control along with other randoms. Im
not sure how many control photos he uses or how
he works them in?

No the LIFE photo should be the control. It's the SKETCH. from 1971.
see the problem is, the other versions we have of the sketch are low resolution and missing detail. They look "washed out".


REPLY> Shall I include this one also ? attached.

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Reply> The LIFE photo is a beauty. Will include the other as a control along with other randoms. Im
not sure how many control photos he uses or how
he works them in?

No the LIFE photo should be the control. It's the SKETCH. from 1971.
see the problem is, the other versions we have of the sketch are low resolution and missing detail. They look "washed out".


REPLY> Shall I include this one also ? attached.

no no no.
Right before Jack left the apartment to go to PDX, we yelled that we had to get a picture in case in didn't work out. This was the last one at the kitchen table before he put the black suit on. He actually thumbed a lift to the airport.

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[georger 256]

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Have all 23. #6 is very dark and
low angle if you can find a better. Did you want
me to include your last posted facial of Jack?
(I have the "no no no" part on the other, trying not
to laugh.)

G.

[Orange1 0]

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If I state anymore than to tell them to look at the direction they are going in - if I state a theory or why I am interested in Duane's relationship with TW or the other man - then later on I am quoted as stating this conjecture was a true statement made by me.

So this is what I get for trying to be nice?

here's a recent example, Jo.

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don't forget that Duane Weber had this information available to him when that plane and others were nothing more than a design on paper.

You stated that as fact, not conjecture. ( And I've already shown why it could not possibly have been fact as you stated it, whether or not Duane saw anything.) Conjecture would have been "Duane could have..."
But you know all this. You are choosing to be deliberately obtuse.

Rather than get all defensive about skywhuffo's (very good) post, perhaps you should try reading it objectively. He made a lot of good points, even if you didn't like them.

btw look at the forum rules - Quade has at least 2 justifications right now for closing this thread. Happy new year, Jo.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Georger - how do I send you the photos? There are several and are you going to use ALL of the composites? I have some REAL health issue right now so don't spend much time on the Computer and I have a real hard time sending photos. Will try to attach 3 to this but there are 5

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

oh btw:
If you're having a hard time with hundreds of Cooper related jpgs etc.

Picasa 3 is good and free from google.
does lots of stuff. .good for indexing all photos on your computer...fast looking thru thumbnails...etc

http://picasa.google.com/

Oh, and for 377
Plug the serial number of the attached bill, 1963A series into
http://www.check-six.com/lib/DBCooperLoot.htm

The first J and last A should be capitalized. i.e.
J38784665A 1963A

[skyjack71 0]

Two more photos - please tell me what composites you are using.
Seems only fair to use ALL of the composites if the guy can do that and not just the "Bing Crosby" composite as the witnesses NEVER agreed to that composite and it was one of their constant beefs.

I am having a hard time with the photos - some are repeats but better quality and one seems to be too large but here goes.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

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Have all 23. #6 is very dark and
low angle if you can find a better. Did you want
me to include your last posted facial of Jack?
(I have the "no no no" part on the other, trying not
to laugh.)

G.

Just use them as is. I can probably find more, but I got tired of it.

It would be interesting to see how it deals with not so good photos. People might not have great shots of Cooper. Or photos may be damaged. Just see what happens.

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Georger - how do I send you the photos? There are several and are you going to use ALL of the composites? I have some REAL health issue right now so don't spend much time on the Computer and I have a real hard time sending photos. Will try to attach 3 to this but there are 5

Jo I have them all. Those that could be enlarged
(+) I did. These are very good photos. The last
two I have never seen before - they are very good.
I really appreciate this.

If you have any others you could PM me with them
or send then via Sluggo. DO NOT SEND ANYTHING
YOU WANT TO KEEP PRIVATE. I think these photos
you have posted are good enough.

I am not doing this to prove one person or another was Cooper, but to prove the process.

I will answer any questions -

Georger

[snowmman 3]

Here's 3 of Rod Serling.
I loved Twilight Zone. Key in the formative years...

(edit) Even though Rod seems to fit the classic "myth" look of Cooper, I think a facial structure analysis will show he's off.

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Orange I don't have a clue what you are talking about - justifications? What are they.
Have I violated some rule? If I have then I need for someone to spell it out.

By the way - I do know for a fact that Duane had access to - what was in those designs and schematics. What was put on line is elementary to what Duane had access to. I didn't see them but I was told about them and the source was the brother himself.

You may be referencing when the 727 first rolled out - do you know how many yrs were put into the design and the idea and how many "what I call prototypes" were developed on paper in the previous yrs? I take the brother at
his word. He was after all a Boeing advisor for 6 yrs during the war. How many other yrs and in what capacity I did not ask. Nor did the FBI ask.

Georger: It doesn't make sense to use only one Control - when the witnesses did not agree with the artist. The FBI composites I deposited were copies actually sent to me by the FBI - and the one without glasses has decent detail. I can scan it at the highest resolution but I would have to send it to another address other than thru the site as they limited the resolution. I enlarged it in black and white for Ariel and it had great detail.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

Jim Morrison 1963 mug shot.

Hey do you think Cooper liked Jazz? I'm thinking of the Daddy-O sunglasses.

I would like it if he had The Doors cranked full volume so you could hear it over the engines....on a little MP3 player he left on seat 18c before he jumped. Can it be that way in the movie?

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Georger - how do I send you the photos? There are several and are you going to use ALL of the composites? I have some REAL health issue right now so don't spend much time on the Computer and I have a real hard time sending photos. Will try to attach 3 to this but there are 5

if we're just looking at facial structure, then do all photos get turned into b/w before they're analyzed (may happen inside the tool.

I was wondering how all the duane pictures would look if they were all b/w. Sometimes it's easy to get carried away by a "color match" to the 80s composite, because there weren't that many color photos in the '60s?

just musing out loud.