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snowmman 3
This band has a new D.B. Cooper song too..! I want a Duane Weber one...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-BANCdefFk&NR=1
Band's in Ireland.
Cooper is on the cover of Hoo G Pah's new album...
"Minus One Equals One"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-BANCdefFk&NR=1
Band's in Ireland.
Cooper is on the cover of Hoo G Pah's new album...
"Minus One Equals One"
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so I downloaded the 300+MB of higher resolution FMFM
and snapped two frames for Jo, and chopped just the 727 jumper exits and slow mo'ed by 10x and youtube'ed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYW08S3dAUs
It's interesting looking at them.
The static line deployment idea seems pretty bad.
The canopies drag against the bottom of the rear engine area and seem ripe for snagging. Also, the canopy actually "hits" the rear exhaust plume..you can see it deflects off that air stream.
All-in-all, static line deployment doesn't seem like a good idea there?
I looked for face snaps for Jo. Two attached.
I'm mindful of the age old wisdom delivered by every old guy in a bar to the next generation:
"Never get involved with a crazy woman, it's never worth it"....see, the thing is, women never really find out how all encompassing men can define crazy: ....i.e. "she said she wants what??? is she nuts?"
But it's Be Nice to Jo Month!
I couldn't find any other good faces Jo.
I noticed the guy with the white short sleeves that was helping one of the static line jumpers, who had a static line rig on himself, (no helmet though)..his rig had a tag on the top left strap..like a big laundry tag. Didn't get his face though.
Leave it to Snow to extract hidden data from stuff. I watched the normal speed video of the 727 S/L jumps and thought everything was hunky dory. Man, they almost cooked the tops of those canopies. Right into the exhaust plume and very close to the engine so we are talking HOT EGT. The very brief dwell time saved them.
I wonder if Air America saw what Snow has shown? I sure missed it in the normal speed mode.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Probably because the rescue costs are too high? What would you do with an F14? Youairplane trivia: those blast deflectors were aftermarket, necessitated by a few paratroopers actually hitting the side of the C 141s when they jumped without them.
The C 141s are all being scrapped now. Seems to me they might have made good air tankers for forest fires. They are using a DC 10 in CA with good results. Jets can carry a lot and transit between a tanker base and a fire at very high speeds.
The govt no longer sells flyable aircraft surplus to civil buyers if they have any possible military use. The DOD bid contracts require that the wings be severed at the roots and cut up before removal from the Davis Monthan AFB storage area.
Hey, I paid for those F 14s they are now scrapping. Why can't I buy one?
377
cant even afford the gas. I know, you have an answer... maybe try for a submarine and go
looking for Coopper with Tosaw!
G.
I was planning on selling a few to Iran actually. They are offering millions for critical spares. Got any F 14 radar parts? Hughes spin tuned magnetron? Just kidding...
One reason they are crushing the F 14s rather than doing the normal desert storage for a few years is the fear that parts will find their way to Iran. Iran is now the only country flying F 14s far as I know.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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F-14? why waste money on US stuff.
MIG-21 and MIG-29's are where it's at.
See then you get the USAF to pay you to do dogfights against you.
http://www.redair.net/home.html
Hey it's 2008..it's all about private armies now! Get your own. Last one armed is a rotten egg.
Don Kirlin, the owner of Redair, is a skydiver and sure knows about 727 jumps. He personally fought with the FAA to permit 727 jumps at WFFC. He had to pry stuff out of Boeing to satisfy the FAA on practicality and safety, but he did it.
I saw his Mig 29s at Quincy Illinois in August 2000 and talked with him about them, but they weren't flying yet. I am not sure they are flying even today. They were very low time planes, one was essentially new.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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A rat? Then follow your own tail?I too am puzzled by all this new money find info and why it wasn't previously released. I have always smelled a rat in the story, but it's just a hunch based thing.
377
You are one of the people who said you did not believe the Ingram story and cited reasons why.
Your own citations were clues you failed or werent
interested in following up on.
You moved ahead with other matters and dropped
the Ingram matter. I didnt. Therein is the difference.
Im sorry!
G.
Why sorry? I wasn't criticizing. I had no evidence that the Ingram story was phony, just a hunch. I did do some online research on the Ingrams but it proved nothing other than some of them might have lived under the Cooper flight path.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
georger 256
Aren't you guys forgetting something. I don't live in WA., but the Columbia at the point of Tena's bar is subject tides - right.
Reply> At the bottom is Vancouver tidal data
for 11-24-71 and chart attached -
http://www.wrh.noaa.gov/pqr/tides.php
http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/get_predictions.cgi?year=2009&stn=1038%20Astoria&secstn=Vancouver,%20Wash.&thh=+5&thm=45&tlh=+7&tlm=38&hh=*0.00&hl=*0.00&size=small
2009 NOAA Tide Predictions: Vancouver, Wash.
(Reference station: Astoria, Corrections Applied: Times: High 5 hr. 45 min., Low 7 hr. 38 min., Heights: High *0.00, Low *0.00)
By Month: January - Vancouver, Wash.
Date Day Time Height Time Height Time Height Time Height Time Height
01/01/2009 Thu 10:13AM LST 0.0 H 05:51PM LST 0.0 L 09:30PM LST 0.0 H
01/02/2009 Fri 05:58AM LST 0.0 L 10:43AM LST 0.0 H 06:39PM LST 0.0 L 10:20PM LST 0.0 H
01/03/2009 Sat 06:33AM LST 0.0 L 11:17AM LST 0.0 H 07:36PM LST 0.0 L 11:25PM LST 0.0 H
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http://www.almanac.com/tides/predictions/oneday.php?month=11&day=24&year=1971&number=9988
[NOAA Digest] selected: 11-24-71 for {deleted}
Tide Predictions
Vancouver, Columbia River, Washington
PREV DAY For Wednesday, November 24, 1971
NEXT DAY
NOTE: NOT FOR NAVIGATION AT REQUEST:
TIME T HEIGHT T TIME
6:06 AM PST 1.10 feet Low Tide
10:53 AM PST 2.42 feet High Tide
5:23 PM PST 1.26 feet Low Tide
10:18 PM PST 3.16 feet High Tide
DRAWN: 11-24-71
Georger
snowmman 3
The most likely transport mechanisms:
1) Sea Lions
2) Eagles
3) Fazio bulldozer
4) Kids looking for porn magazines in the bushes
5) Floating Cooper body, depositing money that gets buried.
6) Kids poking sticks in the floating Cooper body they found while looking for porn magazines
7) Kids putting M-80s in the floating Cooper body they found while looking for porn magazines.
1) Sea Lions
2) Eagles
3) Fazio bulldozer
4) Kids looking for porn magazines in the bushes
5) Floating Cooper body, depositing money that gets buried.
6) Kids poking sticks in the floating Cooper body they found while looking for porn magazines
7) Kids putting M-80s in the floating Cooper body they found while looking for porn magazines.
wolfriverjoe 1,523
... maybe try for a submarine and go
looking for Coopper with Tosaw!
G.
Russia is selling "Whiskey" class diesel-electric subs for about $500,000. All the "good stuff" removed. Presumably the tracking sonar and fire control stuff.
"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy
"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo
"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo
georger 256
The most likely transport mechanisms:
1) Sea Lions
2) Eagles
3) Fazio bulldozer
4) Kids looking for porn magazines in the bushes
5) Floating Cooper body, depositing money that gets buried.
6) Kids poking sticks in the floating Cooper body they found while looking for porn magazines
7) Kids putting M-80s in the floating Cooper body they found while looking for porn magazines.
Don't pout Miss Kitty - yer still the owner of this-here
saloon. Just remember half the people can't read.
The rest don't care. And the Snow can't last forever.
George Yevtoshenko
snowmman 3
The most likely transport mechanisms:
1) Sea Lions
2) Eagles
3) Fazio bulldozer
4) Kids looking for porn magazines in the bushes
5) Floating Cooper body, depositing money that gets buried.
6) Kids poking sticks in the floating Cooper body they found while looking for porn magazines
7) Kids putting M-80s in the floating Cooper body they found while looking for porn magazines.
Don't pout Miss Kitty - yer still the owner of this-here
saloon. Just remember half the people can't read.
The rest don't care. And the Snow can't last forever.
George Yevtoshenko
On June 30, 1968 Major I.F. Yevtoshenko (+ others) forced the landing of a Boeing 707 owned by Seaboard World Airways on Iturul Island, Kurile Islands. It was carrying US troops and entertainers to Vietnam.
Picture attached.
Yevtoshenko was flying a MiG-21 (there was more than one?)
Orange1 0
The soggy separation question i agree sounds suspect.
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Reply: Suspect how? Maybe they baked it in the
oven ? Are you saying they found dry bills? The
bulk of evidence is against that.
No, you misread, by "suspect" I was just agreeing with Snow saying
If the bundle was soggy, how did they separate bills in the kitchen so quickly? Wet bills don't separate. You might be able to separate chunks, but not an individual bill? Even after drying it might be difficult.
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
snowmman 3
I think we're all familar with small numbers of wet bills in a wet wallet, say.
But here's an example of a dried out case (person was referred to Bureau of Engraving and Printing which takes in mutilated money)
http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v09n38.html
"WHAT TO DO WITH A HARDENED BRICK OF FORMERLY-WET PAPER MONEY
Web site visitor Carole MacCarter writes: "I have a hardened "brick" of formerly-wet paper currency, now dry but fragile and stuck together (think paper mache). It may be as much as $10,000, so I am very interested in restoring the bills well enough so they can be replaced at a bank. I have had no luck with getting advice from the bank on how to separate the bills.
Is there some kind of solution I can use to re-wet them so they might come apart? Or should I try to slice the dry brick apart? or? I don't want to cause more damage to the bills through not knowing how to do this. Thanks for any advice you can give me."
...
Basically, one should not attempt to separate the glob of currency - it is best to leave that to the experts at the BEP. They have "mutilated currency specialists" whose full-time job is to sort out messes like this."
(a couple extra pics of buried money at this BEP site)
http://www.bep.treas.gov/section.cfm/8/39
I always thought these guys at BEP would have the most knowledge:
Roscoe Ferguson
Lorraine Robinson (just retired as director after more than 30 years at the Mutilated Currency Division)
Get Lorraine or Roscoe on the team!
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2005/12/26/8364652/index.htm
"After we determine that it's genuine currency, our first step is to see how much they have. Most of the time, they have much more than they think. When currency comes in here fused together, it may look like two or three notes to you, but we'll find 50 or 100 notes. After Hurricane Katrina, we have a lot of water-damaged currency. Nobody else will touch it but us."
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/pf/20070921_mutilated_currency_a2.asp
"We've heard some doozies," Robinson says. "I remember one where a woman sent the dog's picture and he was so sad; he had chewed up about $300 of her money and it came out the other end. She had washed it, of course; we don't ask them to send stool samples. It didn't have much left, but we were able to identify three different bills after they came out and we knew he had ingested the rest, so we gave her credit for it."
Years ago, a farmer took quite literally the division's instructions to send the damaged bills in the original container.
"The farmer was in the field and his wallet came out and the cow ate the wallet. Once he realized that, he slaughtered the cow and sent one of the two stomachs in. Of course, it was very ripe when it got here," Robinson says.
But here's an example of a dried out case (person was referred to Bureau of Engraving and Printing which takes in mutilated money)
http://www.coinbooks.org/club_nbs_esylum_v09n38.html
"WHAT TO DO WITH A HARDENED BRICK OF FORMERLY-WET PAPER MONEY
Web site visitor Carole MacCarter writes: "I have a hardened "brick" of formerly-wet paper currency, now dry but fragile and stuck together (think paper mache). It may be as much as $10,000, so I am very interested in restoring the bills well enough so they can be replaced at a bank. I have had no luck with getting advice from the bank on how to separate the bills.
Is there some kind of solution I can use to re-wet them so they might come apart? Or should I try to slice the dry brick apart? or? I don't want to cause more damage to the bills through not knowing how to do this. Thanks for any advice you can give me."
...
Basically, one should not attempt to separate the glob of currency - it is best to leave that to the experts at the BEP. They have "mutilated currency specialists" whose full-time job is to sort out messes like this."
(a couple extra pics of buried money at this BEP site)
http://www.bep.treas.gov/section.cfm/8/39
I always thought these guys at BEP would have the most knowledge:
Roscoe Ferguson
Lorraine Robinson (just retired as director after more than 30 years at the Mutilated Currency Division)
Get Lorraine or Roscoe on the team!
http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2005/12/26/8364652/index.htm
"After we determine that it's genuine currency, our first step is to see how much they have. Most of the time, they have much more than they think. When currency comes in here fused together, it may look like two or three notes to you, but we'll find 50 or 100 notes. After Hurricane Katrina, we have a lot of water-damaged currency. Nobody else will touch it but us."
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/pf/20070921_mutilated_currency_a2.asp
"We've heard some doozies," Robinson says. "I remember one where a woman sent the dog's picture and he was so sad; he had chewed up about $300 of her money and it came out the other end. She had washed it, of course; we don't ask them to send stool samples. It didn't have much left, but we were able to identify three different bills after they came out and we knew he had ingested the rest, so we gave her credit for it."
Years ago, a farmer took quite literally the division's instructions to send the damaged bills in the original container.
"The farmer was in the field and his wallet came out and the cow ate the wallet. Once he realized that, he slaughtered the cow and sent one of the two stomachs in. Of course, it was very ripe when it got here," Robinson says.
snowmman 3
Interesting the paper can absorb organics that well. I wonder how long they last.
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/pf/20070921_mutilated_currency_a2.asp
In fact, currency redemption can be quite an odiferous affair.
"We've had some cases that are very smelly," Robinson admits. "Once you smell money that has been removed from a dead body, you will never forget it in all your life."
http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/pf/20070921_mutilated_currency_a2.asp
In fact, currency redemption can be quite an odiferous affair.
"We've had some cases that are very smelly," Robinson admits. "Once you smell money that has been removed from a dead body, you will never forget it in all your life."
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The most likely transport mechanisms:
1) Sea Lions
2) Eagles
3) Fazio bulldozer
4) Kids looking for porn magazines in the bushes
5) Floating Cooper body, depositing money that gets buried.
6) Kids poking sticks in the floating Cooper body they found while looking for porn magazines
7) Kids putting M-80s in the floating Cooper body they found while looking for porn magazines.
Don't pout Miss Kitty - yer still the owner of this-here
saloon. Just remember half the people can't read.
The rest don't care. And the Snow can't last forever.
George Yevtoshenko
On June 30, 1968 Major I.F. Yevtoshenko (+ others) forced the landing of a Boeing 707 owned by Seaboard World Airways on Iturul Island, Kurile Islands. It was carrying US troops and entertainers to Vietnam.
Picture attached.
Yevtoshenko was flying a MiG-21 (there was more than one?)
The picture is not a Boeing 707 but rather a Douglas DC 8. Too bad Georger's relative wasn't flying during the KAL 007 incursion. His cool head might have averted the tragedy.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
On June 30, 1968 Major I.F. Yevtoshenko (+ others) forced the landing of a Boeing 707 owned by Seaboard World Airways on Iturul Island, Kurile Islands. It was carrying US troops and entertainers to Vietnam.
Picture attached.
Yevtoshenko was flying a MiG-21 (there was more than one?)
The picture is not a Boeing 707 but rather a Douglas DC 8. Too bad Georger's relative wasn't flying during the KAL 007 incursion. His cool head might have averted the tragedy.
377
This is interesting 377. See we always need experts.
The www.airforce.ru page I think mentioned DC-8, but all the English pages talked 707.
you can see on this page where it says 707
http://users.accesscomm.ca/magnusfamily/misc.htm
the russian page clearly says DC-8 as you say,
http://www.airforce.ru/awm/hotsky/hotsky2.htm
Attached is another pic of the DC-8.
GOOD JOB 377! you beat the English Web!
It's a DC-8-63F ??
I was going to paste in the Russian, but apparently the characters aren't preserved right when I hit "post"
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GOOD JOB 377! you beat the English Web!
It's a DC-8-63F
Always liked Douglas transports. Have jumped DC 3 DC 4 and DC 9. Douglas scooped Boeing by making the DC 8 design easily stretchable. Hardly any 707s still fly regularly, but there are still lots of DC 8s earning their living every night flying parcel freight. The added capacity in the stretch versions kept them viable.
I have been pondering Gosset. Can't rule him out. Still, without a hot $20 bill, everyone claiming to be Cooper remains a Cooper wannabe to me.
If Gosset were Cooper, why would he confess to ANYONE? Guilt? Atonement? Possibly. He did become ordained as a priest in some splinter Catholic church later in life. Apparently moral issues were a factor in his life.
Show me a twenty.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
Show me a twenty.
377
The most plausible Cooper story would be one where someone says he lost all the money on the jump and ditched the rig at the time.
I can't understand wannabe's who think they have to concoct a "what happened to the money story" that involves safe deposit boxes. The facts don't require it and actually steer against it.
All you really need is a good landing story where the canopy doesn't get caught in something, so it's easily retrieved and disposed of.
And you don't need to worry about the shoes. Just say you were wearing ankle shoes. One of the descriptions agrees with you on that..so you didn't lose your shoes.
(Tina's description)
Hey I just noticed Tina said the hair was "combed back"
Mucklow
"W/M, mid 40's, 5-10" 6', 180 to 190, med to dark complexion, medium build, dark straight hair with narrow sideburns to mid ear parted and combed back, dark plastic wrap-around sunglasses, dark top coat, dark brown suit possibly with a thin black stripe, brown socks, brown ankle length pebble grain shoes, not the tie type, he had a low voice with no accent, she did not see scars, marks or tattoos, the man did not have on any jewelry she could see."
(edit) And my guess is the paper bag was left on the plane. That could be a sticking point if anything was in it and you don't know.
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Hey I just noticed Tina said the hair was "combed back"
Do you think "combed back" meant it couldn't have been a "comb over" to cover a balding head?
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
Well it's all confusing. None of the composites show what I would consider a "combed back" look.
And Tina was sitting right next to him.
Like everything in the Cooper mystery, drilling into individual things just adds more mystery.
What's weird for me, is that people consider the Cooper story a mystery given the way it's been portrayed to date.
If all of the available info is dumped out, it becomes even more mysterious in my mind, not less.
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Well it's all confusing. None of the composites show what I would consider a "combed back" look.
Exactly my reaction. Doesn't look combed back at all in any of the sketches. I associate combed back with slicked back insofar as directional orientation of the hair is concerned.
If only Tina remembered and would talk.
377
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
Sorry Georger - I was talking tides in relation to the money find. The location closer to shore or 20 ft away and why it would be wet at the spot I was shown. It was wet in 2001 - 20 ft from the water...I don't remember what time of the day we where there. Himmelsbach was with us.
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The child you all speak of was just that a very small child - If I remember right she was 5 yrs old.
I don't know if my contact numbers for Brian and the wife he divorced (that wife recieved some of the bills in the divorce settlement) is still valid, but if I feel like it this week-end I will try to make contact with them and see if they are willilng to shed any light on all of this. The wife who divorced Brian yrs ago - has posted in other forums. Brian keeps a lower profile.
I know I tried to contact the ex-wife at the number I had for her a few months ago - and it was a NO go. She has a different take on the whole thing - but it is just things she was told over the yrs. Still a lot of Cooper WannaBe's out there.
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