DB Cooper

[BruceSmith 3]

Maybe we could find the MK Ultra hooker list with a FOIA request and go from there. They might be a bit long in the tooth by now but they are CIA approved for covert ops.

Bruce, can we task you with this job?

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I'm on it, 377.

-BAS

[snowmman 3]

I'm surprised how you guys seem to forget all the points and possibilities and theories that have been raised over the last 12 months.

Remember the whole speculation about the tie being left on purpose, kind of as a psychological thing. Kind of a trophy exchange.
I mean we were looking for someone out of a job..fired or retiring etc.
Billy fits that profile.

(edit) and the "giddy" reaction to the money.
There are plenty of accounts online of how Billy was always a gentleman. But when the shit hit the fan, he loved it and would get a big grin, or crack a joke.

(edit) the reason they gave him was that there was no room at the inn for him at Fort Bragg...they had enough sergeant majors (e9?) there already and wanted to ship him elsewhere. So he retired.

[BruceSmith 3]

Remember guys, Galen Cook says that Florence Schafner told him that DB Cooper was wearing make-up, saying," A woman notices that kind of thing."

[snowmman 3]

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Remember guys, Galen Cook says that Florence Schafner told him that DB Cooper was wearing make-up, saying," A woman notices that kind of thing."

Bruce, Bruce, Bruce.
Get with the program. Larry Carr says we're looking for an ADD engineer, dead, that was a comic book reading Loadmaster in some unknown theater.

Do you need a good tazering or what?

It's so funny us talking CIA, and you read cnn.com and it's all about CIA lying to congress for the last couple years. ho-hum. Same old, same old.
What the f* is this pile of C4 laying in my yard for? I thought we shipped it to South Africa already? Geez you can't get good help in a web forum any more.

(edit) remember when I talked about private mercenary armies. I'm only marginally nice to Sluggo, because I figure when the shit hits the fan, and it comes down who's got a tactical nuke and who doesn't, maybe Sluggo will put a word in for me down at the factory.

[Sluggo_Monster 0]

In the Deep South (note the upper-case letters) we have an expression for when someone makes a hasty and improperly researched statement which makes him/her look foolish and then has to retract/correct the statement to save face. It’s called; “Licking your calf over.”

This morning I said:

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Oh… Cousin Bruce… Cut me some slack. I’m a little more careful than that (and obviously you).

Well now I’m gonna “lick my calf over.”

It seems that Billy Waugh has lots of “homes,” some of which he probably actually lives in.

Let me explain how I found this out:

I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned my room-mate “Bulldog Drummond.” Well, he isn’t exactly my room-mate, but I have him chained to a pipe down in the basement. I need him when I’m “on the road” to do simple investigations for me. You know... simple things, like tracking down lost disk-drives, finding Plutonium that got left in the wrong place, things like that.

Anyway, when I went down to feed him, he told me I f#$ked-up with my comment to Cousin Bruce. Here’s what he told me:

It appears that Billy has purchased several properties between 1999 and 2000:
+ NICEVILLE, FL 32578-4800
+ LUTZ, FL 33558-5018
+ LAS VEGAS, NV 89122-3362 (2)
+ Owns or owned some Mobile Homes in Las Vegas (? many)

Bulldog also told me that Billy drives a 2008 Cadillac with a Purple Heart (Military Honor) license plate (FL) #66356 and his current wife drives a 2008 Mazda with the license plate (FL) SGMBABY. Get it? “Sergeant Major Baby.”

So technically, Cousin Bruce and I were both right. But I think Brucie was more right, I think the Lutz, FL residence is where Billy ”hangs his hat.”

Now, don’t you guys be asking me to get Bulldog to find shit for you. I keep him pretty busy, and I don’t have a “pet carrier” big enough to put him on an airplane.

Sluggo_Monster (still in a good mood)
PS: Snow… dude… I said WMD… I didn’t mention Nukes… Nukes are so passé… we got shit in the works that make Hiroshima look like a lawn-party. But keep being nice (to me and georger) and I’ll put in a good word for you.

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[snowmman 3]

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PS: Snow… dude… I said WMD… I didn’t mention Nukes… Nukes are so passé… we got shit in the works that make Hiroshima look like a lawn-party. But keep being nice (to me and georger) and I’ll put in a good word for you.

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Yeah that's what's so funny. We get all worked up about Saddam et al, and then oh by the way, most of our terrorism shit is home grown or exported.

I couldn't believe that the amount of C4 that was manufactured in the US for Wilson to ship to Libya EQUALED the total amount of C4 that was legally in the US at the time already. (if that statement was true. Don't know).

What happened to that C4? Did the US intercept it before Libya got it?

Our terrorists turn out to be guys like Timothy McVeigh. Or that US government lab guy who sent the anthrax around and oh by the way the US labs were the ones who were "weaponizing".

We point the finger at other countries, but the thumb always points back at us.

Allah told me that Mother Earth needs martyrdom. It's a good goal the whole planet can rally around.

I remember a friend who always used to say "I don't get this "agree to disagree" stuff. Cavemen never did that. They just beat the shit out of the other guy"

Now what about the history of the world? See all these web posts won't matter, because they won't last. It's amazing to me the longevity of information storage like cave paintings, the pyramids, rock, etc.

I'm digging a cave and painting the story of Cooper on the walls. It's my gift to the future.

[snowmman 3]

I read I think in that interview, the guy was talking about how much Billy drives around (mileage on the car was mentioned)...and he joked it was because Billy can't fly because he carries so many weapons.

I took it as some kind of bullshit SF macho posturing, but who knows, maybe he gets to run around the US with an M4 in his trunk..

Maybe I need to upgrade the defenses. There's a guy on a web forum who said he can sell me one of these. I'm kind of hesitant cause I think maybe Ebay might have it cheaper?
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(edit) also vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY4hbTyhoxc

(edit) Now I don't know who to side with:
Chuck Norris vs Billy Waugh
who wins?

[skyjack71 0]

Bruce Said:
"Nevertheless, when I saw Billy's address, a click did register in my brain and I was thinking.....and realizing that our Miss Jo is one sharp cookie for contacting Billy Waugh three years ago. I consider that pretty sharp sleuthing on her part."
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LOL, I started laughing out LOUD. If only I could remember contacting him!. Old timers I guess! I am sure I must have, but haven't felt it important enough to check it out.

Georger is very right - Billy had some very distinguishable scars in 1971 - and make-up available at that time could not plug that hole in his forehead.

As for Florence's reported comment to Galen Cook - so remember what she reportedly said to Geoffrey Gray. She has reportely said similar things regarding other suspects. If I were FBI or an investigator I would no longer consider her a viable witness.

Also note that with what the Co-Pilot said about Tina - she just washed that board white. What she told Tosaw maybe the last of her accountings...except what she said to me and for the record I will not repeat anything other than she said "He was a very Sad Man". At that time there were not any pubilcized records of that statement -I therefore still believe it was Tina who contacted me even though I was told "NO WAY that was Tina".

I will put that statement with the fact that the number I provided for her to make contact with me had NEVER been made available to the anyone regarding Cooper.
It was NOT the phone number I had been using - It was a very private number in 2003 and was not listed in my name. It was definitely Tina who called me after receiving my letter.

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[snowmman 3]

Yeah, now that I think about it Jo's probably right and we're off base.

Let's talk about panties. What's the best kind of panty lines to see on a woman's jumpsuit? (in the air or on the jumpship)?

[georger 244]

Nukes are so passé… we got shit in the works that make Hiroshima look like a lawn-party. But keep being nice (to me and georger) and I’ll put in a good word for you.

well put. I love it

[JerryThomas 0]

Bruce not sure about 25 July date on meeting you But if I can't make it I will tell you as it stands now it is a go Jerry

[georger 244]

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Bruce not sure about 25 July date on meeting you But if I can't make it I will tell you as it stands now it is a go Jerry

you available tonight?

[JerryThomas 0]

Georger welcome back . Hows the cow buisness going get all the fences mended for your friend. and the barn repaired. Milking cows is hard work. did that as a kid. Anyway plan on leaving for washougal soon. Then its on to Forks Wa. for the Salmon run and a lot of repairs needed on the ocean property. Your welcome to Join me if you like. If Not Ill send you some smoke Salmon and steelhead if you like. Talked to Wally A friend of mine from the HoH indian tribe he says your more than welcome to visit and enjoy the native welcomming or at least try your hand at paddling a tribal conoe (sp) Jerry

[JerryThomas 0]

Georger Yes call Please Jerry

[quade 4]

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Let's talk about panties. What's the best kind of panty lines to see on a woman's jumpsuit? (in the air or on the jumpship)?

None. The answer is always going to be none. As in commando.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[JerryThomas 0]

Quade perfect Gentlesman answer. The true answer is Ididn't even notice. Jerry

[snowmman 3]

I got to wondering about this hero business, and looked up stuff on medals during Vietnam. I did a quick look and I think I got the numbers and medal descriptions right.

I read some stuff that talked about issues with who got medals, and why. So medals aren't the only sign of heroism.

There were a lot of people doing heroic things.
I suppose anyone who went there and did their best was a hero at some level.

Even though some medals are issued by specific services, they can issue them to other services or even civilian.

During the Vietnam War:
There were 242 Medals of Honor issued

1043 Distinguished Service Crosses (mostly Army) issued
180 Air Force Cross (mostly Air Force)
485 Navy Cross (mostly USN + USMC)

21,000 Silver Stars issued

The Medal of Honor is the highest military decoration awarded by the United States government. It is bestowed on a member of the United States armed forces who distinguishes him- or herself "conspicuously by gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his [or her] life above and beyond the call of duty while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States." Because of the nature of its criteria, the medal is often awarded posthumously.

Teddy Roosevelt lobbied for one but never received it, and General George Patton said "I'd sell my immortal soul for that Medal."


The Distinguished Service Cross (DSC) is the second highest military decoration that can be awarded to a member of the United States Army, awarded for extreme gallantry and risk of life in actual combat with an armed enemy force. Actions that merit the Distinguished Service Cross must be of such a high degree to be above those required for all other U.S. combat decorations but not meeting the criteria for the Medal of Honor. The Distinguished Service Cross is equivalent to the Navy Cross (Navy and Marine Corps) and the Air Force Cross (Air Force).



The Silver Star is the third highest military decoration that can be awarded to a member of any branch of the United States Armed Forces. It is also the third highest award given for valor (in the face of the enemy).

The Silver Star is awarded for gallantry in action against an enemy of the United States not justifying a Service Cross - The Army Distinguished Service Cross, The Navy Cross, or The Air Force Cross. It may be awarded to any person who, while serving in any capacity with the U.S. Armed Forces, distinguishes himself or herself by extraordinary heroism involving one of the following actions:

* In action against an enemy of the United States
* While engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force
* While serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party

[377 22]

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Let's talk about panties. What's the best kind of panty lines to see on a woman's jumpsuit? (in the air or on the jumpship)?

None. The answer is always going to be none. As in commando.

A perfect example of why moderators are needed:
to resolve the unresolvable.

I accept Quade's pronouncement and will go forward with a new view on this issue.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

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Georger welcome back . Hows the cow buisness going get all the fences mended for your friend. and the barn repaired. Milking cows is hard work. did that as a kid. Anyway plan on leaving for washougal soon. Then its on to Forks Wa. for the Salmon run and a lot of repairs needed on the ocean property. Your welcome to Join me if you like. If Not Ill send you some smoke Salmon and steelhead if you like. Talked to Wally A friend of mine from the HoH indian tribe he says your more than welcome to visit and enjoy the native welcomming or at least try your hand at paddling a tribal conoe (sp) Jerry

Jerry,

Do they let you fish for salmon up there? The sport and commercial season is totally closed here in CA.

I fished commercially up your way and have been in all those coastal fishing harbors, Bandon, Brookings, Coos Bay, Astoria, Seattle etc.

Hope you catch a big King. Georger too if he comes.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

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In the Deep South (note the upper-case letters) we have an expression for when someone makes a hasty and improperly researched statement which makes him/her look foolish and then has to retract/correct the statement to save face. It’s called; “Licking your calf over.”

This morning I said:

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Oh… Cousin Bruce… Cut me some slack. I’m a little more careful than that (and obviously you).

Well now I’m gonna “lick my calf over.”

It seems that Billy Waugh has lots of “homes,” some of which he probably actually lives in.

Let me explain how I found this out:

I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned my room-mate “Bulldog Drummond.” Well, he isn’t exactly my room-mate, but I have him chained to a pipe down in the basement. I need him when I’m “on the road” to do simple investigations for me. You know... simple things, like tracking down lost disk-drives, finding Plutonium that got left in the wrong place, things like that.

Anyway, when I went down to feed him, he told me I f#$ked-up with my comment to Cousin Bruce. Here’s what he told me:

It appears that Billy has purchased several properties between 1999 and 2000:
+ NICEVILLE, FL 32578-4800
+ LUTZ, FL 33558-5018
+ LAS VEGAS, NV 89122-3362 (2)
+ Owns or owned some Mobile Homes in Las Vegas (? many)

Bulldog also told me that Billy drives a 2008 Cadillac with a Purple Heart (Military Honor) license plate (FL) #66356 and his current wife drives a 2008 Mazda with the license plate (FL) SGMBABY. Get it? “Sergeant Major Baby.”

So technically, Cousin Bruce and I were both right. But I think Brucie was more right, I think the Lutz, FL residence is where Billy ”hangs his hat.”

Now, don’t you guys be asking me to get Bulldog to find shit for you. I keep him pretty busy, and I don’t have a “pet carrier” big enough to put him on an airplane.

Sluggo_Monster (still in a good mood)
PS: Snow… dude… I said WMD… I didn’t mention Nukes… Nukes are so passé… we got shit in the works that make Hiroshima look like a lawn-party. But keep being nice (to me and georger) and I’ll put in a good word for you.

Isn't the Internet a complete bitch for people who for years prided themselves on being covert in all aspects of their lives? Now a bunch of pencil necked geeks (and Bulldog Drummond, who is not a geek) can "out" a master of stealth with just a few keystrokes.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[377 22]

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Quade perfect Gentlesman answer. The true answer is Ididn't even notice. Jerry

If you ever jumped at Perris you'd have noticed, believe me. Perris in the Spring... agree Quade?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

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Remember the whole speculation about the tie being left on purpose, kind of as a psychological thing. Kind of a trophy exchange.

I dunno, that theory never made sense to me.

Sluggo's list of Billy's homes is more interesting to me; assuming Billy wasn't going mad with the whole subprime no-deposit no-income no-nothing needed craze (and the timeframe looks too early for that) ... i wonder where the source of funds was.
If I have some time I could work out what $200K in bearer bonds would have earned between 1971 and 1999

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

In the jungle, squatting, getting strong

[Orange1 0]

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Remember the whole speculation about the tie being left on purpose, kind of as a psychological thing. Kind of a trophy exchange.

I dunno, that theory never made sense to me.

Sluggo's list of Billy's homes is more interesting to me; assuming Billy wasn't going mad with the whole subprime no-deposit no-income no-nothing needed craze (and the timeframe looks too early for that) ... i wonder where the source of funds was.
If I have some time I could work out what $200K in bearer bonds would have earned between 1971 and 1999

A 30Y T bill would have been the obvious but Fed website only gives history from 1977. OK, this isn't exact cos the formula assumes interest is reinvested at the initial yield but anyway it's a ballpark to work with, 200K invested in 10Y Treasuries and reinvested at maturity in a new 10Y each time would give you a shade over $2m by 1999. (This is the magic of compound interest, folks, as even the crummiest investment advisor will tell you ). If it was invested in the S&P over that time, it would have been about $3.1m.

Enough to buy a few houses?

Got me thinking - one of the things we were looking for earlier was someone who clearly came into money around the time of the hijacking... but what if Cooper was a squirrel? What if he invested it somewhere and only started spending long, long after the heat died down? (I don't know how he would have washed the money into bonds or stock without the notes turning up at a bank somewhere though)

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[JerryThomas 0]

377 Yes they do allow you to fish for salmon and steelehead. However in my case I don't think you would realy call it fishing.I have property one and a half miles from the ocean exactly 24 miles south of Forks Wa off Hwy 101 on cedar creek. You can look on your map and locate Ruby Beach, That is where the creek enter's the Ocean. Anyway during the steelhead and salmon run's the creek is full of fish. and you can actualy catch them with your hands.There is also 3 heards of Rosevelt Elk that roam through my property year around and yes I also have bear and cougar and mans best enemy The pole Cat(Skunk) lots of them. Jerry