DB Cooper

[snowmman 3]

Being dragged behind a truck in your rig.
see attached.

(parachute training for I CTZ Mike Force at Da Nang. Indigenous)

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You gotta love Sluggo. He is a real Southern Gentleman as evidenced by his restraint with Jo after she wasted a lot of his time. Jo hasn't really done anything to me personally and I am less charitable than Sluggo.

Now we see the plasticity of his outlook on Snowmman. He doesn't stay in an angry rutt. Even when pissed he maintains objectivity and can throw a bone to a dog when deserved. You set a good example Sluggo.

If Braden is Cooper he'd just ignore relevant inquiries and go to his grave as an unproven suspect.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

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Orange1 displays the impetuousness of youth, the vigor of youth, and the brains of that generation that was born after 1979 (the year of Three-Mile Island).

So..... compared to me (and you), she is a "Spring Chicken."

lol, but no. however i was still too young to have been involved in a coup attempt in 1982

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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The nice thing about seeing more photos and bios, beside Duane, Gosset, Christiansen, is that is makes it more obvious (to me) how specious some of the claims of these other suspects are. The other suspects like to imply some uniqueness, but they don't show them in context. So 38 years later, it's easy for totally bogus "suspects" to appear to be worth some discussion.

This is a very good point.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

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If Braden is Cooper he'd just ignore relevant inquiries and go to his grave as an unproven suspect.

377

Yeah.
But reviewing Vietnam should remind everyone that the idea of justice and laws and legal things, is not black and white.

People hang some people, people elect some people.

The idea of "what's okay behavior" changes with the winds.

So the most important thing, if you're dancing on the edge, is to understand the politics, right? In the end, if the mob storms the castle, it doesn't matter what laws are on the books.

My sense is that if Braden was Cooper, regardless of all the historically interesting aspects, especially as it relates to the birth of SOG, that the public wouldn't really care.

Sure there would be people who would hope they could make an example of "terrorist hijacking". But we should all realize by now, that the US's biggest dangers come from within, not without.

We are our worst enemy.

What would happen if an 80 year old Braden confessed (if he was Cooper). Probably not much. If he doesn't have family, he wouldn't have to worry about laying too much crap on descendents. If he has family, then sure, no sense in stirring things up.

It would be interesting though, if it was true, and it opened up a dialog on Vietnam.

There are still unresolved lessons from Vietnam.

WWII took a very long time to absorb intellectually, afterwards. I think we avoided some introspection on Vietnam, because information was buried. We could have learned more. Too divisive for the country I guess. Vets still alive, with real scars.
Sometimes, time just has to go by.

What's the right perspective? I don't know.

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When Bobby Kennedy was campaigning in Ky and some of the poor distressed states he did INDEED wear a clip on many times.

Can you provide some proof of this, Jo?

You said:
"He was on draped wagons in the streets with people grabbing at his tie and his cuffs and arms"
If this is so surely when they grabbed his clip-on tie it would have come off??? Where are the pictures? Oh, I forgot, they have been suppressed Do you really, honestly, truly, believe that the CIA has hidden all pictures of Kennedy with a clip-on tie? You may as well try convince me that all photos were then fed to the aliens from Roswell.
I repeat: twaddle.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

"Fear not the path of truth
for the lack of people walking on it."

Can't tell if tie is clip-on.

[georger 247]

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The nice thing about seeing more photos and bios, beside Duane, Gosset, Christiansen, is that is makes it more obvious (to me) how specious some of the claims of these other suspects are. The other suspects like to imply some uniqueness, but they don't show them in context. So 38 years later, it's easy for totally bogus "suspects" to appear to be worth some discussion.

This is a very good point.

Like a candle in the abyss?

[georger 247]

What's the right perspective? I don't know.

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"Fear not the path of truth
for the lack of people walking on it."

Can't tell if tie is clip-on.

There's a million pics of RFK online (this obviously excludes all the ones the CIA suppressed). The only hits i came up with re clip on ties were the ones ref the previous post about his assassination. I can't tell about the ties either, but it sure looks to me like he was a pretty decent dresser in general.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

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"Fear not the path of truth
for the lack of people walking on it."

Can't tell if tie is clip-on.

There's a million pics of RFK online (this obviously excludes all the ones the CIA suppressed). The only hits i came up with re clip on ties were the ones ref the previous post about his assassination. I can't tell about the ties either, but it sure looks to me like he was a pretty decent dresser in general.

The SOG guys had a wider variety of weapons available to them at supply, than normal soldiers. They were always experimenting with whatever was available, from any source.

They took pains to describe some weapons as being "suppressed" rather than "silenced"...i.e. most suppressors didn't fully quiet the weapon. Or if they did, slowed down the bullet so it was less effective.
They were intrigued by the issue, and Plaster spends a lot of time on the intricacies of weapon selection.

All I'm saying, is I'm impressed Jo said "suppressed", not "silenced".

[Orange1 0]

hard to tell just from a photo and not in the flesh, but the shirt looks very good quality - look at the cuffs. possibly tailor-made?

http://www.jccschools.com/staff%20pages%20middle%20school/condon/images-photos/rfk.jpg

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[georger 247]

All I'm saying, is I'm impressed Jo said "suppressed", not "silenced".

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If an inquiry to the FBI from Jo can result in massive supression of previously public info, we need to put that power to good use.

Suggestions?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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You people must lead barren lives.

Indeed we do Georger.

Any suggestions for our salvation will be seriously considered.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Jo is an Ad-man.

If she were younger she might be a worthy successor to Ron Popeil..."but wait, there's MORE"

I bet Jo is pretty good at selling houses. She knows how to work up interest, get attention, constellate the immaterial... and in the end you find that she is selling a very ordinary house, not a dwelling that played a key role in national history. George Washington did not sleep there nor did Bobby Kennedy or MLK.

There are no coincidences in Jo's analysis. Look at her inference about a massive suppression of publically available RFK photos triggered by her inquiry to the FBI. It is indicative of a serious persistent flaw in her thinking. All roads lead to Duane, period. If they don't, it's just cause you haven't traveled far enough.

I still see the good side of Jo, but she makes it difficult. Jo said unequivocally that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper and promised proof. Until she retracts her claim I will remind her now and then of her unfulfilled promise.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Georger said:

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Fear not the path of truth
for the lack of people walking on it."

Can't tell if tie is clip-on.

My opinion:

Not a clip-on. If RFK had the tie pulled a little tighter, one would not be able to tell. But, since it is slightly loosened, you can see white collar ABOVE the knot right where the clip would be.


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All I'm saying, is I'm impressed Jo said "suppressed", not "silenced".

So, I’ve got it now….

You're speaking a language I understand... Jo said the CIA/FBI “suppressed” the photos to prevent muzzle-rise and felt-recoil. I hear that’s a big problem, especially with the older model (60s era) photos.




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[georger 247]

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If an inquiry to the FBI from Jo can result in massive supression of previously public info, we need to put that power to good use.

Suggestions?

377

Yes. When people sign on to research this-or-that
they need to stay "on topic" and not go off on
tangents.

How do you know a mere "inquiry" from Jo resulted
in ......... at the FBI? Do you believe Jo's accounts?
Why would you believe Jo's accounts of anything?
Because if you do, the next person you should
doubt is yourself.

The hard questions never get answered. That allows
the soft questions to continue forever.

Trade in that Cooper Klunker!

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Seems to me Braden spent most of his time avoiding
home soil USA once he got into trouble, and hijacking
305 would NOT have been forgiven?

I think Braden was pretty confident in his ability to elude capture. Pretty hard to do a US$200,000 cash crime in Africa or anywhere but here. If he needed big bucks the US might have been very appealing.

I go around and around about a highly trained SF type not bringing his own gear on the 727. Couldn't someone with those skills come up with an untraceable rig? That part of the crime whispers "whuffo" to me now and then.

I can't imagine someone like Braden having total dependence on outsiders being able to find and deliver suitable parachutes in such a short time, not to mention the risk of hidden beacon transmitters. If you could get a bomb onto a plane a chute wouldnt be much of a problem, especially in a duffle bag or carrying case.

A total whuffo might not even know where to get a suitable chute much less an untraceable one. In that case asking for chutes during the hijack makes more sense.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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How do you know a mere "inquiry" from Jo resulted
in ......... at the FBI? Do you believe Jo's accounts?
Why would you believe Jo's accounts of anything?

Georger,

My entire point was that I DON'T believe Jo's FBI inquiry caused a massive suppression of RFK photos. Nobody but Jo believes it.

I am just trying to get Jo to be a little more logical in her thinking and recognize that coincidences do occur and do not prove causation.

In case you haven't noticed I am now vying with Orange for being the biggest thorn in Jo's side. Quite a change for me but everyone has their limits.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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Jo is an Ad-man.
....

If she were younger she might be a worthy successor to Ron Popeil..."but wait, there's MORE"

Remember the movie "Tin Men" with Richard Dreyfus.
I loved it

clip here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArdXKLr41ls

(edit) Sluggo: hey good you recognize the importance of controlling muzzle rise.

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Not a clip-on. If RFK had the tie pulled a little tighter, one would not be able to tell. But, since it is slightly loosened, you can see white collar ABOVE the knot right where the clip would be.

I took a look at my son's clip on and I think you are correct Sluggo. That inverted U part of the clip extends up enough to be noticed in such a loose tie photo if it was a clip on.

Hey, you QUIT? Man, in this economy that takes balls. What's next? Maybe you can get hired when we go into Iran and North Korea on nuke inspections. Maybe Bill Clinton will be chief inspector and you guys can hang out.

Seriously, best of luck in the job hunt.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

Sluggo said "Did I tell you guys that I quit my job Monday?"

Hey hopefully that's a good thing. I saw the beers. If a good thing, congrats! If not, hell, there'll be something better down the road.

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(edit) Sluggo: hey good you recognize the importance of controlling muzzle rise.

Barrel droop is a big deal in tank fire control computations. Viagara wont fix it. The main gun barrel sags after repeated close spaced firings and that has to be cranked into the fire control computation. Thermal and structural aids help, but the problem does not disappear.

Snow's pneumo cannons are immune.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

The act of bringing a chute makes you traceable.
It means you have skills.

not bringing anything, is better for being untraceable.

I'm seriously questioning whether you belong on the manifest for the C-123K now, 377.

Don't you remember the Terminator movies? You pass thru naked.