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[JerryThomas 0]

Georger : it was alway's 200,000. No one else demanded more untill Rick McCoy,This is when other info came in to play. McCoy escaped from prison and was killed close to Duane webber's House in Virginia Beach . This is when Duane Webber became Interested in the case. After Duane died. Jo for some reason thought this was a opurtunity to monopolize on what ever.Jo got a hold of a book that was called what realy happened. This book stated that Cooper came out of the wood's and hid in a wood shed and deposited the money on the cowitz river.The author of this book was in contact with Ralph. After the book was published Ralph was outraged. His comment was that nothing in that book was correct .This is what prompted, Ralph to write his book. Jo then read Ralph's book. This is what started Jo'S story. Jo at first had not read every thing. Jo "s first Claim was That DUANE SAID THAT THE PLACE COOPER BURIED THE MONEY WAS UNDER THE BRIDGE OFF OF I 5 at the cowitz River. Her comment was . Duane pointed to the bridge as they crossed the bridge and said that is where cooper burried the money . Her only info was ,What she had read in a book. Jerry

[BruceSmith 3]

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Jerry Thomas;

I have asked you to leave ME alone. Duane was Cooper and NO ONE has provided any proof that he was not. Your post essentially calls me a LIAR. Well, now I will retailiate - You KNOW that what you are posting about me is NOT the TRUTH. You know that the FBI did NOT investigate Weber. IF the FBI did have proof that Weber was not Cooper - they would have provided that information yrs ago. If the FBI has information to prove Weber was NOT Cooper - they would use that information to make Weber disappear.

The only thing that gets in your crawl is that you were NEVER asked to participate in the documentaries that I did consent to do. I have refused ALL offers since 2002 - have you?

Every time you post - perhaps I should make derogatory and negative posts regarding the things you say - there are many times I could have done so, but I have been courteous enough not to pounce on your post. I expect the same courteousy from you.



ASSIGNMENT TO J. THOMAS
from the Covert CIA director of affairs.

Jerry your assignment should you decide to accept it is:

Infiltrate DZ thread on Cooper.

Discredit Jo Weber or shut her up using any means at your disposal..

If you are unsuccessful in discrediting, create havoc and force the thread into lock mode.

Use your interrogation training to break her - she must be stopped at all cost. The subject has compromised our data base on Cooper. This subject must be silenced.

Good Luck Jerry -

PS: If you fail your mission our National Security will be jeopardized

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Good to see you have a sense of humor, Jo. Your post put a smile on my face.

[JerryThomas 0]

This is the last comment I am going to make on Jo and her Claim's. Read my last post and Judge for youself. Contact those that I have and do the same research. That I and other's have done Jerry

[JerryThomas 0]

Bruce. Your a good Journalist. No doubt , and very optimistic. However your comments are cute no one can shut Jo up. We all no this> Still Fact's will discourage any further believer's.This is all I will Post. It's funny even, Jo Know's this. The Fazio's said they enjoyed your visit . I talke'd to them this morning. Richard Fazio was confused about one thing so am I. Please call me so we can discuss it. Jerry

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Jo .Why do you keep telling me to leave you alone . Is it a problem . Why! Jo leave this case alone. Please stop causing problem's with it .You Know that I am the only one that can give you opisiition to your claim's and actualy prove it. So why do you continue to make up new storie's or continue your quest. Please don't ask me to leave you alone again. Unless you want to prove your aligation's or claim's . I"m just saying what few people will do. Alot of people are scared of you . They fear reproscussion. I am Not. And never will be. I can prove everything I say. All I want is for you to Stop your alligation's and help solve this case by being truthfull and stop leading other's in a direction that is posibbly or clearly decietfull. Please Jerry

[JerryThomas 0]

Bruce: Jo can not prove anything she know's this. All she has done is prove there are people in this world that will do anything for 15 minute's of fame.When you decide to write your book. Please do it on Jo and Duane Webber. Maybe she will be happy.Jerry

[snowmman 3]

I noticed Stars and Stripes has a service where they probably can get me better copies of the articles. I'm not sure any of them had great photos of Ted. The extensive jump position photos, Ted was wearing goggles.

Did everyone look at the Stars and Stripes stuff I posted? Surprised I got no feedback other than Jerry talking about how people are afraid of Jo.

Reprint services

Stars and Stripes provides photocopies of archived articles for $10. Additional articles published in the same calendar month are $3.
Photo reproduction

Reproductions of Stars and Stripes staff photographs are available through Pictopia. Photos not currently featured in our galleries are available by special request.

[snowmman 3]

The GBU-49 is a laser-guided, 500-pound bomb, but now with GPS guidance.

The MQ-9 is a larger Predator (UAV), with a 950-shaft-horsepower turboprop engine.

As of 2009, USAF has 28 Reapers (MQ-9).
Snowmman Industries: undisclosed.

photo attached.

A nice summary of all current UAV's is at
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app2/index.html

(edit) Skynet gains sentience shortly after it is placed in control of all of the U.S. military's weaponry. When they realize that it has become self-aware, and what the computer control is capable of, the human operators try to shut the system down.

It retaliates and believes humans are a threat to its existence, it then employs humankind's own weapons of mass destruction in a campaign to exterminate the human race.

[377 22]

Resistance is not futile.

GPS, essential to UAV navigation, can be jammed FAR more easily than previously thought with just a simple noisy oscillator. So much for spread spectrum immunity to jamming. The key lies in the weakness of GPS signals.


http://www.gpsworld.com/gps/system-challenge/the-hunt-rfi-776

Hobbyists have flown an autonomous HOMEMADE UAV from Newfoundland to Ireland where it arrived within 30 feet of its intended waypoint. Scaling up to a larger aircraft wouldn't be so hard.

http://www.sciencenewsforkids.org/articles/20031217/Feature1.asp

It isn't that hard to hang around UAV control satellite uplink sites with spectrum analysers and figure out what's going on. Even highly directional dishes leak a little signal around the edges of their lobes. You don't have to know everything about a signal to jam it or spoof it.

Tom K is working on a massive paintball cannon to counter Snowmman's airforce. He has FBI funding.

Hey, back to Cooper. This Braden stuff is amazing. His freefall skills were MILES ahead of the SF norm for the day. We should try to get some old time jumpers to check in about Braden. He HAD to be known to early PCA members with all his competition work.

Jerry has said he will stop taking Jo to task. I wont, not unless and until she withdraws her claims about having proof that Duane Weber was Dan Cooper. You made the claim Jo, you said you would prove it and so far all we have is the usual evasive stuff from you.

BTW, don't you feel foolish refusing to investigate Cooper related evidence that is 'too sordid.'? Do you only pursue nice clean evidence? That approach is so fundamentally flawed that I am amazed you posted it and expected to remain credible here. It is a great tease though. What is it? Devil worship? Child abuse? I guess we wil have to tune in to the next episode, but first, a word from our sponsor, Snowmman Industries.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

377 said "What is it? Devil worship? Child abuse?"

If you walk in the woods by my house a ways, all of a sudden there's a clearing, and there's stones set in what appears to be concentric circles but actually create a single circular spiraling pathway...

at the center, there's a pile of various voodoo-like charms..dolls, stones, crystals, a mylar balloon, small pieces of wood, various trinkets etc.

Like people go there and walk the path, and then leave an offering of some kind.

I was going to take a picture to post here, maybe with a Norjak book on the pile of voodoo charms.

I'm always spooked when I go there. Have never seen anyone else. I also get nervous when I walk over the stones to get to the center. I'm thinking bad things happen if you don't take the time to fully follow the spiraling path..

It's worse if it's starting to get dark when I'm there.

I try to keep track of the objects to see if more are appearing, but can't quite tell. They're all weatherbeaten.

[377 22]

Put a concealed PIR motion fired camera there Snow and the mysteries will be over. You might also catch a mountain lion in a picture given your location.

Braden's rigs look exactly like what I jumped in the late 60s. They were USAF not USN, but forget the nomenclature. An old rigger would know. Looks like the pack opening bands were died a darker color for looks. I could be wrong, I am not a rig expert.

Speaking of SOG jumpers using PCs. I have a new US military deployment sleeve for a PC, dark OD color. I bought it to replace my cotton PC sleeve but never installed it. Wonder if it was made for SOG jumpers?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

I think it's interesting Braden was US Army.
he was there around the time of the beginning of the Golden Knights.

He was there at the birth of SOG in Laos (Leaping Lena)

I wonder if Duncan got him to write the Ramparts article.
Did anyone stay in touch with Braden after Vietnam? Did Duncan?

What about old jumping buddies?

Did Braden ever jump again after Vietnam? Did people assume he died? Did he not contact anyone?

[Orange1 0]

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When I mentioned that DB Cooper had demanded $200,000, Marianne interjected and said adamantly, “Not he didn’t. He asked for $400,000 at first."

OK, everyone else has scotched this. But hmmm if it was the case then it certainly dumps the theory that Cooper asked for $200K because it was the amount insured.

Bruce, thanks for doing all this work.. especially grateful that you pursue all leads even if they do not seem to lead back to your own theory on the case. Kudos.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Orange1 0]

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(edit) Note that besides the Mrs. Ted Braden mention, Ted is referenced as jumping with the 8th Div. club. If this is 1961, then Golden Knights wasn't quite official or just starting? They were approved in 1961 right? They kind of started in 1959??

Be nice if any jumpers out there could talk up this 1961 army competitive jumping...it's really early days trivia.

Gee Snow, you don't read and remember everything I post either???

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3605972;search_string=golden%20knights;#3605972

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He was the second man in the entire Army to register 1000 certified jumps. The first was a Test jumper at Yuma, AZ., proving grounds.

In 1959 he went to Germany and helped form the first skydiving club in Europe. He was awarded German Fallshemspringer permit number two, having lost a coin toss for number one. He was one of a four-member team who held the record for the highest free fall jump in Germany, an altitude of 23,000 feet, jumping with out oxygen.

When the Army Parachute Team was first created as a real unit, he was an original member, his license number, D-23. He nicknamed the Army Parachute Team the “Golden Knights” after the football team of West Point, known as the Black Knights. The team has been referred to as the Golden Knights ever since.

("he" being William Edge)

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Orange1 0]

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Duane was Cooper and NO ONE has provided any proof that he was not. Your post essentially calls me a LIAR.

(OK, so I'm answering a post aimed at Jerry but:)

Well, Jo, you keep on saying Duane was Cooper without providing a shred of proof that he was. What does that make you, then?

No-one else accepts that it is up to anyone to prove that duane wasn't Cooper. Hundreds of millions of other men weren't Cooper either, are we supposed to prove all of them weren't? It is up to you to prove that he was.
(Does the US also have the saying, "put up or shut up"?)

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

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(edit) Note that besides the Mrs. Ted Braden mention, Ted is referenced as jumping with the 8th Div. club. If this is 1961, then Golden Knights wasn't quite official or just starting? They were approved in 1961 right? They kind of started in 1959??

Be nice if any jumpers out there could talk up this 1961 army competitive jumping...it's really early days trivia.

Gee Snow, you don't read and remember everything I post either???

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3605972;search_string=golden%20knights;#3605972

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He was the second man in the entire Army to register 1000 certified jumps. The first was a Test jumper at Yuma, AZ., proving grounds.

In 1959 he went to Germany and helped form the first skydiving club in Europe. He was awarded German Fallshemspringer permit number two, having lost a coin toss for number one. He was one of a four-member team who held the record for the highest free fall jump in Germany, an altitude of 23,000 feet, jumping with out oxygen.

When the Army Parachute Team was first created as a real unit, he was an original member, his license number, D-23. He nicknamed the Army Parachute Team the “Golden Knights” after the football team of West Point, known as the Black Knights. The team has been referred to as the Golden Knights ever since.

("he" being William Edge)

Good stuff Orange1.

hey, so from what I'm reading, at least in 1961, the Golden Knights were not the only team representing US Army in world competition in 1961.
I read an account of I think the Scottish 1961 competition, where the US military arrived with their own plane, allowing them to go to 10,000 feet (forget what plane) while everyone else was constrained to 7,000 ft jumps.

Have we been fed incomplete history with respect to the Golden Knights? I know they did "something" between 1959-1961..see the video I posted. they became "more official?" in 1961?

well the Golden Arrows were formed in 1959 too.

What is this: was it like the Beatles vs the Rolling Stones?

hey did you catch those early Golden Knights jackets? The embroidered big "Golden Knights" in script on the back reminded me of motorcycle club jackets.

[Orange1 0]

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official?" in 1961?

well the Golden Arrows were formed in 1959 too.

What is this: was it like the Beatles vs the Rolling Stones?

hey did you catch those early Golden Knights jackets? The embroidered big "Golden Knights" in script on the back reminded me of motorcycle club jackets.

gonna have to go here http://flightability.bizland.com/page2.htm cos when i tried to copy it said "no cyber thiefs allowed" (couldn't tell him i always ref the url.. haha)
appears GK were officially recognised as USAPT on June 1 1961. Looks like a fair amount of other fun history on there which i will go read now!

Edit: just lots of great photos, go look (esp 377 & Jerry)
plus... a link to contact retired GK from the 60s ... Bruce...?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Orange1 0]

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The STRAC or Strategic Army Corps Sport Parachute Team, which was originally conceptualized by Brigadier General Joseph Stilwell. The original STRAC team consisted of 13 military parachutists. This unofficial unit competed successfully in parachute competitions, provided assistance to the military in the development of modern parachuting techniques and equipment, and provided support for Army public relations and recruiting. The team participated in international parachuting competitions to thwart the Soviets in their quest for dominance of the world parachuting arena. In 1959, the team was formally organized and later re-designated as the Army's official aerial demonstration unit on June 1, 1961.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[377 22]

What a fantastic collection of photos! The Barish Sail Wing canopy, PCs over the Blue Angels parked F 11 Tigers, A vintage C 130 Herc wirth 3 bladed props, C 119 feefall jumps, C 54, USAF Thunderbirds flying F 100 Huns, ... it just goes on and on.

WOW. Thanks!

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Orange1 0]

following on the comments above re Soviets, Google books result on GK history - starting with how E European teams won most competitions in the 50s & how Stilwell wanted "to change that". Dunno how to C&P out of Google books either, have a look!

http://books.google.co.za/books?id=56MSopnqjycC&pg=PA11&lpg=PA11&dq=golden+knights+history&source=bl&ots=IGtE2iwQsV&sig=MFzAprKsTIOXr3T99DKQ56k4sMM&hl=en&ei=68mBSvD6I5P-MNiF3JYL&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5#v=onepage&q=golden%20knights%20history&f=false

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[Orange1 0]

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What a fantastic collection of photos! The Barish Sail Wing canopy, PCs over the Blue Angels parked F 11 Tigers, A vintage C 130 Herc wirth 3 bladed props, C 119 feefall jumps, C 54, USAF Thunderbirds flying F 100 Huns, ... it just goes on and on.

WOW. Thanks!

377

The Barish Sail Wing, is that that cool looking one in the centre of one of the rows with 3 "parts" (i am at a loss for technical terms here )

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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OK, Bruce has shown courage stepping outside of the Cooper cave, so here I go.

I will need an asbestos suit, but check the trivia forum. I posted a request for Braden info and am awaiting the napalm strike.

There goes my reputation if I even had one since posting on DB Cooper.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The Barish Sail Wing, is that that cool looking one in the centre of one of the rows with 3 "parts" (i am at a loss for technical terms here )

Isn't that just an awesome looking contraption? Beatnik, a rigger/jumper RCAF officer who restores and jumps antique skydive canopies is looking for one.

Check out Beatniks posts on forums, some amazing photos and one video of a recent classic canopy collision followed by two cutaways to old round reserves. That video is just spectacular.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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OK, Bruce has shown courage stepping outside of the Cooper cave, so here I go.

I will need an asbestos suit, but check the trivia forum. I posted a request for Braden info and am awaiting the napalm strike.

There goes my reputation if I even had one since posting on DB Cooper.

377

I think you're safe.
Just make sure for the rest of your life, that you're always the last one out,
never use a rig that anyone else has ever touched,
always jump with 3 reserves
carry a weapon, on every jump, and say you do it to make the difficulty more like the SF guys.

oh...and you can't drink any beers anyone buys for you, any more.

I think the hookers are still okay. Not sure.

[skyjack71 0]

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Georger : it was alway's 200,000. No one else demanded more untill Rick McCoy,This is when other info came in to play. McCoy escaped from prison and was killed close to Duane webber's House in Virginia Beach . This is when Duane Webber became Interested in the case.

[RED]I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHERE YOU GET YOUR INACCURATE INFORMATION FROM. WE DID NOT MOVE TO VA UNTIL 1983. IN NO WAY DID OUR MOVE TO VA CREATE DUANE'S INTEREST IN COOPER.[/RED]

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This book stated that Cooper came out of the wood's and hid in a wood shed and deposited the money on the cowitz river.The author of this book was in contact with Ralph. After the book was published Ralph was outraged. His comment was that nothing in that book was correct .This is what prompted, Ralph to write his book. Jo then read Ralph's book.

[RED]YOU HAVE ALL OF THAT WRONG. I READ "WHAT REALLY HAPPENED" IN 1996 - IN MAY. ONE YR & 2 MTHS AFTER DUANE DIED. I WOULD LATER EXCHANGE MANY LETTERS AND PHONE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE AUTHOR OF THAT BOOK - MAX GUNTHER WHO DIED A FEW YRS AGO.

I DID NOT READ RALPHS BOOK UNTIL HE HIMSELF SENT ME A COPY IN 1996 - AFTER I CONTACTED HIM ABOUT DUANE'S CONFESSION IN 1996

YOU ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE FACTS - TALK TO RALPH ABOUT THIS AND HE WILL STRAIGHTEN YOU OUT ABOUT THESE FACTS.[/RED]

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This is what started Jo'S story. Jo at

first had not read every thing. Jo "s first Claim was That DUANE SAID THAT THE PLACE COOPER BURIED THE MONEY WAS UNDER THE BRIDGE OFF OF I 5 at the cowitz River. Her comment was . Duane pointed to the bridge as they crossed the bridge and said that is where cooper burried the money . Her only info was ,What she had read in a book. Jerry