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Jo why is it Flo and your coversation differ's. Another exageration. Or could it be that you don't even have proof of your conversation with Flo. We all Know one fact, And that is flo's statement was that the composite drawing that was made did not even look like Cooper. Now what doe's that do to your alligation's That Duane's picture resembled Cooper. So why do you bring up flo's name as a reference.All this does is prove once again that Duane wasn't Cooper.Jerry ( Flo was in a documentary and made her statment's about the drawing.)

I have never talked to FLO - I have always wanted to. Everyone know that my hearts desire is to meet with Florence and Tina.

Everyone also knows I want this meeting to show them somethings and some photos I have not reveal in this forum or anyone and to ask some question.

It has always been my contentions that a visit with the 2 of them will bring this to an end. If I could be granted ONE WISH before I die it will be to meet with both of them behind closed doors. If what is said behind those closed doors is reveal - that would be their decision...I could die in peace.

I have stated many times that Florence did not agree with the composites - even the one a TV program did for her - because I know TV programs use what they want to use. I know she strongly disagreed with the first composite (Bing Crosby look-alike) and the second one (the Ben Gazzara look).

You do KNOW that the composite artist spent a lot of time with them and he could never ever portray something never mentioned to the FBI. These girls became more relaxed with the artist - later and without the pressure of the FBI questions.
How do I know this? In 2000 Doug Pasternac spent almost 2 hours with the artist who did the composites.

They talked about a specific thing regarding the mouth - the artist was unable to depict this except in the composites that remained hidden from the world until the last 4 yrs. I understand why they didn't use these composites, but if he had put that mouth on the Gazzara composites and IF the FBI had ever mentioned this specific feature - Cooper would have been behind bars.

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377 I'm sure you already Know that no pardon's have ever been granted in this case. The only intervention involving this case was made by the FBI (Ralph) was in regards to Brian Ingram's father. When the money was turned in Brian's father had a arrest warrant out from Oklahoma. The FBI assisted in helping Brian's Father in resolving this minor situation. Jerry Ps. The fact's as to what Brian's father's warrant was issued will never be released by myself or Ralph . so Please don't ask. I will tell you that it was not serious or Threatning to any living Being.It was just a common mistake that most people make.

Funny. Its common knowlegde. Was publicised at the time. No need for Drama. If H intervened in
behalf of Harold Dwayne Ingram that may be new however the fact of an arrest warrant for Harold
in the SW and Harold having to return to deal
with it was publicised.

If its so sensitive why bring it up att all (here)?

All of this has been discussed here before. . .

377 and Snowmman even think Harold Ingram
could be Cooper - strong family resemblence
and Harold had woodsman training! Harold also like bourbon and could wire a spst switch!! Harold led
his family to where the money was found! Go
figure. Like winning the lottery. How much more
do you need? Send a photo of Harold to 377
to send to Jo to send to Flo! Can we put Harold
in a parachute in Bxerkistan, or in a drug store
(small paper bag) the day of the hyjacking?

On a serious note, how was the money found and
precisely where? Who found the money? How much
was turned in and how much witheld? There's a ton
of really good questions we dont have the answers
to ...

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Send a photo of Harold to send
to Teddy to send to Jo to send to Flo! Can we
put Harold in a parachute in Tana Tuva or
Bxerkistan?

I have threatened many times to mail pictures and copies of other things to both Tina and Florence, but do not have addresses I am positive belongs to them ( I had one for Tina in the past). I also refused to force anything on Tina in that manner, because she seemed so tramatized by the ordeal...I have alway hope this would finally be solved without having to do this.

She did respond to a letter I sent her - asking permission to send some photos. She called me, but Cook told me it was someone pretending to be Tina and that if he couldn't get to Tina that no one could do so.

Later he finally believed that I actually did talk to Tina. He told me recently she has move, but doesn't have an address. This was about a yr or 18 months ago. He said NO one talks to Tina, but believe that I actually did

It was in this brief conversation that she said "He was a sad man"
and to let it go. This conversation has been stated publically and in emails after it happened. (I would have to go to the files to find the exact date). When the FBI made documents available in the FOIA - it quotes her stating this same thing (note the FOIA documents had NOT been released when she called me).

It was not until the FIOA documents release that I actually believed I was talking to Tina yrs ago. When I read that statement in the site - there was NO doubt it was Tina and Cook knew with that release it was Tina, I had talked.

Cook was keeping tabs on me for yrs, but we talked and were mortal enemies. When I told him about Tina he said NO WAY. He has since refuted that statement after the FIOA public releases...we finally became friend after that...but, he actually took parts of his story from our conversations. I will NEVER forgive him about the fingerprint story.

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I don't think H Ingram was Cooper.

I do think the money find is suspicious. It just smells staged somehow.

We never have resolved whether there was a debris field of bill fragments along a high water line.

The money find puzzles me. Next may be a parachute rig find. It is possible that neither will yield any evidence IDing Cooper.

No wonder Ckret never owned up to taking the case as a real assignment. It was always a sideline, quasi hobby etc. Career self defense. If you bet your career on solving this case you could kiss your career bye bye.

377

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I don't think H Ingram was Cooper.

I do think the money find is suspicious. It just smells staged somehow.

We never have resolved whether there was a debris field of bill fragments along a high water line.

The money find puzzles me. Next may be a parachute rig find. It is possible that neither will have any evidence IDing Cooper.

377

By all accounts there were bill fragments
both at or near the surface and under sand when
Palmer excavated. The FBI and the FBI's spokesperson, Jerry Thomas, wont be more
specific.

It's pointless to speculate. And at this point
I dont believe anything anyone says. I am
relying on well documented historical accounts
and records I have seen with my own two eyes.
Everything else is suspect for a million different
reasons, some of which we have witnessed
firsthand in this forum.

Maybe somebody at the FBI has a solid overall
view of the whole thing. Maybe yes. Maybe no.
I just know for a fact nobody here does.

[snowmman 3]

Spokane Daily Chronicle. Feb 14, 1980
This is new article, to me, on Google News Archive, so posting.

I believe this attached picture is new because it's uncropped and shows the backhoe on the tractor, while Palmer is squatting in the trench. I don't think the NORJAK book photo showed the backhoe.

There's some other comments about people other than Palmer giving opinions. Also the" additional fragments found" aspect of the story (as related in other articles we've discussed also.

Also, it was interesting to see that the dredge theory appeared right away. I guess from the Corps engineers.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1338&dat=19800214&id=KqQSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=MvkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6999,4016453

"Agents who trenched the beach with a backhoe and sifted sand Wednesday found only a few more scraps of bills. They were continuing their search today [Feb 14, 1980]"

"The agents were joined Wednesday [Feb 13, 1980] by Leonard Palmer, Portland State University geology professor, and Corps of Engineers specialists in analyzing the area. The Corps of Engineers identified a layer of sand as having been deposited when the 40-foot ship channel was dredged in August 1974."

"We are trying to determine now if the bills were sucked by the dredge at that time," said FBI spokesman Bill Williams. Agents figured Cooper's body would have clogged the dredge if it had been in the channel in 1974.

[ed. why would flesh exist for so long?]

Here's another clue for you all.
The walrus was Duane.

[snowmman 3]

Feb 19,1986
Spokane Chronicle
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=MccSAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uPkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7085,664868

The onslaught of media attention created tension among family members, she said, and brought about Ingram's arrest for failing to notify a loan company he had moved to another state while he was delinquent on his payments.

The day before the arrest, the family's rented house caught fire and two bedrooms plus their uninsured contents were destroyed.

There you go 377.
That fire was no accident.

Remember the photo of the wife in CA, and I was wondering where the husband was? Evidently there was a temporary breakup.

Not long after the discovery of the money, Mrs. Ingram learned she was pregnant. After Mount St. Helens erupted, the family decided to move on. Once in California, however Duane [ed. spelling?] and Patricia Ingram separated.

"It was just one thing after another. It was all those things" that drove the couple apart, Mrs. Ingram said.

Since then, she said she and her husband have reunited, moved again and become Christians.


(edit) some names associated with the dropped charge, and more detail here:
Spokane Daily Chronicle - Mar 25, 1980
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=nhETAAAAIBAJ&sjid=L_kDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4973,2643114&dq=db+cooper

[snowmman 3]

This is interesting.
I've read various things about Harold Dwayne Ingram's job in 1980.
This says he was working at "U-Cart Concrete Systems"

Concrete is good for hiding evidence.
Just have to put him in brown contacts.
Spokane Daily Chronicle - Apr 8, 1980
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=Pa0SAAAAIBAJ&sjid=NPkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=1739,2195579&dq=db+cooper

[snowmman 3]

There is some passion here from James E. Carty around the Ingram warrant.
The Spokesman-Review - Mar 22, 1980
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=19800322&id=vfgRAAAAIBAJ&sjid=RO4DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5797,3363811

Prosecutor James E. Carty said in a letter to Don Roberts, district attorney in McAlester, Okla., that he "will not process your paperwork."

Added Carty, "Vancouver has a very nice restaurant called the Quay. It is located on the docks of the Columbia River. I am happy to extend an invitation to join me for dinner at the Quay, at the conclusion of which I will kick your a-- into the Columbia River"

Reached by telephone, Carty confirmed writing the letter.

It sounds like Carty was involved in the coverup and possibly the hijacking.

How else would he know about docks on the Columbia river? And why? Did Carty throw the money into the Columbia? Did Carty ever prosecute Duane Webber?

Did Carty ever eat at the Quay? Did he have salmon? Smoked? Why does Carty talk about kicking ass, but avoids any mention of the Beatles?

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Hey Jo, you don't like the Mayfield theory. Tell you what - why don't you prove to us that mayfield wasn't Cooper? You keep challenging others to prove Duane wasn't Cooper, so presumably you will find it easy to prove Mayfield wasn't.

When you've done that, move on to Braden please.

I look forward to seeing your results.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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This man like Cook kept jumping around on suspects.

You always confuse me when you say that like it's a bad thing. To me it shows an open mind and attempts to actually find the truth, rather than latching onto a suspect and finding all sorts of convoluted and bizarre ways to try make facts fit the theory.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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How about requiring Jo to prove that some suspect was NOT an inmate smoke jumper? Inmate smoke jumper records are apparently beyond TOP SECRET. It will be a tough task.

377

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Hey Jo, you don't like the Mayfield theory. Tell you what - why don't you prove to us that mayfield wasn't Cooper? You keep challenging others to prove Duane wasn't Cooper, so presumably you will find it easy to prove Mayfield wasn't.

When you've done that, move on to Braden please.

I look forward to seeing your results.

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There was a cabin on the river.

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One of those places was this spot on the river... a person with her told her that there used to small cabins or "shacks" as you say. Now there are homes. My understanding of this particular location is that it's somewhere between the I-5 and I-205 freeways.
Skyjack71, if I'm incorrect on any of the above, please correct it.

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Georger you put in your last post this copy of an old post - I don't remember what it was referencing, but probably something about the cabin or river house I had been trying to explain to the forum.
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There was a cabin on the river.

One of those places was this spot on the river... a person with her told her that there used to small cabins or "shacks" as you say. Now there are homes. My understanding of this particular location is that it's somewhere between the I-5 and I-205 freeways.
Skyjack71, if I'm incorrect on any of the above, please correct it.

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The above post was Safecracking talking and in the next post is also Safacracking talking trying to answer some question I ask I assume.

Safecracking stated:

"You asked about a possible old hunter's shack. Well, I don't know about this, BUT on that beach where the money was found, there are a few buildings that might be described as a shack. I don't know if they were there in 71 though. If there were, my guess is these were all searched in 1980 as was that whole beach. "

Wasn't Weber referencing a couple of shacks where he buried somthing according to Jo???? He later tried to return to this area on a "sentimental Journey" Could one of these been built on stilts to keep dry from flooding thus have " a lookout tower" look to it, as also Jo referenced? If this is the case Cooper buries the money behind these buildings located right where the first money was recovered and washes down to the river and goes bye bye.


Below is my response to his inquiry in 2008:

Jo Talking:
I never said anything like that!
This is the way it was: (I am making some date corrections as I go).

I was at Tena' Bar in 2001 - there were no shacks there - it used to be a farm. I referenced cabins and not shacks and the area of concern is much further EAST. NOT at Tena's Bar.

On the Sentimental Journey - he took me to what I think was his safe place and that was a long way from his drop. He did take me to the Columbia after we left Seattle on the way to Tahoe To where there used to be an old Cabin (or a river home) - which is not there anymore...this is when he went down the hill and told me to stay in the car.

The above was me trying to explain our trip from Seattle and the 3 stops along the Columbia that day The first which was East of I-5 and down on the Columbia East of Winterly Park. This is the area he left me in the car to go to the river going down a steep hill - I now think perhaps he buried something on that river rather than digging something up - remember that it was early morning and I went back to sleep in the car.

Now when he gets back in the car we go a bit further on the Columbia and this time going West - this is when we stop where there was a loading dock of some kind going out on the Columbia and this large Tank like thing that stored something -obviously and a loading dock for some company. A mention was made of barges. He made a comment about the business - which indicated he either knew the owner or someone who worked there - my memory was always so foggy on this that I did not mention it before - but I am letting all HELL loose now. This large tank was green if I remember right and there was some yellow.

When we got back in the car this is when I noticed the paper sack and he said it was just trash. He then tells me we are going to make another stop. This stop would be the RED LION where he threw that paper sack into the river.

Now back to the original post:

Then after that we went to a Motel just below the Vancouver Bridge where he tossed something in the river - but this package was already in the car - I thought it was trash - I went to the restroom and when I returned he had already discarded this bag.
Note, the trash can was empty at the site.

The ONLY time I have been to Tena's bar was when the TV crew took me there in 2000 (this date should be 2001)--I refused to get on the beach and act like I was looking for money - because when we got there I was ADAMANT that this WAS not the PLACE he took me to IN 1979.

I walked away from the Crew and Himmelsbach back to the cars...I was crying and wanted to be alone. I was not going to pretend this was the area Duane took me to in 1979.

(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Jan 21, 2008, 4:07 PM)

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Does any of this clarify what I was talking about? I just didn't understand what was being referenced in the post Safecracking made...I believe my story has been pretty consistent. Duane was shifty in turning me around and I often wondered if I had the right location. If anyone knows were that Green Tank was in 1979 and that dock then I can be positive I have it right. It would be great to see old pictures of the river banks in 1979 - to confirm I did indeed get the locations correct.

That first stop with the steep incline down to the river - there were 2 gravel or dirt roads to the North and a railroad track. If I was at the right place in 2001 - it seemed tighter and not as spacey but there were 4 new house there on the river...so I took this into account and the maturity of the trees as this had been pointed out on the Washougal locations.

We (myself and the people helping me) did not go to the more eastward location the woman told me about on the river and in retrospect I should have done so - just to be sure I could not see the PDX from that location and that it would have stayed slightly out of our viewing point.

I just felt so relieved that I had finally found part of the trip, but wanted to get along and find the other places. Had I not have found those places I would have returned to FL and probably have had a breakdown - because it would have left me doubting my sanity.

That trip to WA was critical because Jerry kept saying the places DID NOT EXIST. Thank God that TV program took me to WA.and that an ANGEL was looking after me. If the Cooper world chooses to think of me as deranged or crazy - then so be it.

When I refer to ANGELS - I am referring to people just like you and I - but someone who just happens to be there when you most desperately need them. With the exception of a few I feel I fight this battle alone and that is defeating...but, I have not yet given up hope although I am very tired of the struggle.

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Hey Jo, you don't like the Mayfield theory. Tell you what - why don't you prove to us that mayfield wasn't Cooper? You keep challenging others to prove Duane wasn't Cooper, so presumably you will find it easy to prove Mayfield wasn't.

When you've done that, move on to Braden please.

I look forward to seeing your results.

I have spoke with Ted Mayfield in the past on several occassions and he is not Cooper. These guys convinced him that there was money to be made with a book and a movie. He was also told no one would prosecute Cooper after all of these yr. which all of you know is NOT true.
Mayfield is a good sport, but when all of this started to play on his personal life he pulled out.

Mayfield likes to play games, but not if it engangers his enjoyment of life and his freedom... I would like to meet him in person. And like Guru - he will tell you "I am not Cooper".

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Good thing Duane wasn't caught making an illegal discharge into a river carrying threatened migratory salmonids. He might have done more time for that than all the prior crimes.

Jerry can probably tell us about all the wacked out regulations around federally protected wildlife and waterways. It is beyond ridiculous and I am all for protecting salmon.

A guy I know was federally prosecuted for pulling trash including abandoned vehicles out of a stream on his ranch property in Idaho that had migrating salmon. He just did it at his own expense with a rented backhoe, purely out of sympathy for the fish, no studies, no permits.

377

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Good thing Duane wasn't caught making an illegal discharge into a river carrying threatened migratory salmonids. He might have done more time for that than all the prior crimes.

Jerry can probably tell us about all the wacked out regulations around federally protected wildlife and waterways. It is beyond ridiculous and I am all for protecting salmon.

A guy I know was federally prosecuted for pulling trash including abandoned vehicles out of a stream on his ranch property in Idaho that had migrating salmon. He just did it at his own expense with a rented backhoe, purely out of sympathy for the fish, no studies, no permits.

377

Now this IS funny. Love your title! Damn!
very good...

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Georger you put in your last post this copy of an old post - I don't remember what it was referencing, but probably something about the cabin or river house I had been trying to explain to the forum.
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There was a cabin on the river.

One of those places was this spot on the river... a person with her told her that there used to small cabins or "shacks" as you say. Now there are homes. My understanding of this particular location is that it's somewhere between the I-5 and I-205 freeways.
Skyjack71, if I'm incorrect on any of the above, please correct it.

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The above post was Safecracking talking and in the next post is also Safacracking talking trying to answer some question I ask I assume.

Safecracking stated:

"You asked about a possible old hunter's shack. Well, I don't know about this, BUT on that beach where the money was found, there are a few buildings that might be described as a shack. I don't know if they were there in 71 though. If there were, my guess is these were all searched in 1980 as was that whole beach. "

Wasn't Weber referencing a couple of shacks where he buried somthing according to Jo???? He later tried to return to this area on a "sentimental Journey" Could one of these been built on stilts to keep dry from flooding thus have " a lookout tower" look to it, as also Jo referenced? If this is the case Cooper buries the money behind these buildings located right where the first money was recovered and washes down to the river and goes bye bye.


Below is my response to his inquiry in 2008:

Jo Talking:
I never said anything like that!
This is the way it was: (I am making some date corrections as I go).

I was at Tena' Bar in 2001 - there were no shacks there - it used to be a farm. I referenced cabins and not shacks and the area of concern is much further EAST. NOT at Tena's Bar.

On the Sentimental Journey - he took me to what I think was his safe place and that was a long way from his drop. He did take me to the Columbia after we left Seattle on the way to Tahoe To where there used to be an old Cabin (or a river home) - which is not there anymore...this is when he went down the hill and told me to stay in the car.

The above was me trying to explain our trip from Seattle and the 3 stops along the Columbia that day The first which was East of I-5 and down on the Columbia East of Winterly Park. This is the area he left me in the car to go to the river going down a steep hill - I now think perhaps he buried something on that river rather than digging something up - remember that it was early morning and I went back to sleep in the car.

Now when he gets back in the car we go a bit further on the Columbia and this time going West - this is when we stop where there was a loading dock of some kind going out on the Columbia and this large Tank like thing that stored something -obviously and a loading dock for some company. A mention was made of barges. He made a comment about the business - which indicated he either knew the owner or someone who worked there - my memory was always so foggy on this that I did not mention it before - but I am letting all HELL loose now. This large tank was green if I remember right and there was some yellow.

When we got back in the car this is when I noticed the paper sack and he said it was just trash. He then tells me we are going to make another stop. This stop would be the RED LION where he threw that paper sack into the river.

Now back to the original post:

Then after that we went to a Motel just below the Vancouver Bridge where he tossed something in the river - but this package was already in the car - I thought it was trash - I went to the restroom and when I returned he had already discarded this bag.
Note, the trash can was empty at the site.

The ONLY time I have been to Tena's bar was when the TV crew took me there in 2000 (this date should be 2001)--I refused to get on the beach and act like I was looking for money - because when we got there I was ADAMANT that this WAS not the PLACE he took me to IN 1979.

I walked away from the Crew and Himmelsbach back to the cars...I was crying and wanted to be alone. I was not going to pretend this was the area Duane took me to in 1979.

(This post was edited by skyjack71 on Jan 21, 2008, 4:07 PM)

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Does any of this clarify what I was talking about? I just didn't understand what was being referenced in the post Safecracking made...I believe my story has been pretty consistent. Duane was shifty in turning me around and I often wondered if I had the right location. If anyone knows were that Green Tank was in 1979 and that dock then I can be positive I have it right. It would be great to see old pictures of the river banks in 1979 - to confirm I did indeed get the locations correct.

That first stop with the steep incline down to the river - there were 2 gravel or dirt roads to the North and a railroad track. If I was at the right place in 2001 - it seemed tighter and not as spacey but there were 4 new house there on the river...so I took this into account and the maturity of the trees as this had been pointed out on the Washougal locations.

We (myself and the people helping me) did not go to the more eastward location the woman told me about on the river and in retrospect I should have done so - just to be sure I could not see the PDX from that location and that it would have stayed slightly out of our viewing point.

I just felt so relieved that I had finally found part of the trip, but wanted to get along and find the other places. Had I not have found those places I would have returned to FL and probably have had a breakdown - because it would have left me doubting my sanity.

That trip to WA was critical because Jerry kept saying the places DID NOT EXIST. Thank God that TV program took me to WA.and that an ANGEL was looking after me. If the Cooper world chooses to think of me as deranged or crazy - then so be it.

When I refer to ANGELS - I am referring to people just like you and I - but someone who just happens to be there when you most desperately need them. With the exception of a few I feel I fight this battle alone and that is defeating...but, I have not yet given up hope although I am very tired of the struggle.

I knew you would take off like a _____ in heat
at the sight of "cabin on the river". You did.
Cant stay and talk. Am making jello.

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Damn! I haven't had Jello in a long time - think I will go make some myself - might cool me down.

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Geoger . Rely on your record's. This is a good thing. But wATCH the volume and the bass to includr the Balance. Jerry

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Jo please give someone a break you have stated more than once that you have talked to Flo .This I can Prove. I do not understand why you are denying this fact. Or did you foget you even bragged about talking to Flo And Tina. One more thing where does Flo live. I bet you Know the answer. Could it be in the same state you live in.You continue to present opposition. This is common in all However most do not continue to embarass them selve's once chalenged with fact's and reality .For instance DNA result's. And Actual evidence that a person could not have been who they claim that they were. Especially after made up stories were proven Fradulent. Go Figure. Jerry

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Snowmman. Wrong or incorrect . Not a Chance. Jerry

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I remember reading about the FBI's infiltration of AIM.

Brown contacts as a disguise may not be such a wild leap of faith. Wonder if it was a commonly used CIA or FBI disguise trick?

I wonder if Braden had a NORJACK alibi?

The Mayfield H relationship and the apparent lack of thoroughness in Ted M's alibi investigation needs further scrutiny.

I still think Braden makes a great Cooper but for the eyes.

Galen Cook is awfully quiet... Tom K too. I bet Ckret still reads this forum though he can no longer post.

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I called Ted Mayfield back in the early spring to see if he would be willing to talk about his relationship with Ralph and the FBI.

Ralph, at one point in his book, says that Ted made valuable contributions to the FBI's investigation. I'd sure like to know what they were.

Ted ended the phone call as soon as I said I was a newspaper reporter doing a story on DB Cooper, saying "I always get in trouble when I talk about that."

I called him right back, and he answered. I quickly tried to tell him I wasn't interested in talking about his being a Cooper suspect, but only to talk about what he did for the FBI that was so valuable. Again he hung up saying "I'm really not interested in discussing this."

I haven't tried any further to contact him, but he is certainly on my Cooper Country road map to-do list when I have the bucks and time to make a big swing through Oregon terrain.

As for the relationship between Ralph and Teddy M, I read, but I forget where and don't want to dig through my notes at the moment, that Ralph and Ted Mayfield had an altercation at the Aurora (Oregon) State Airport several years before Cooper. It was aviation related and had to do with improper conduct of some kind by Mayfield that Ralph took major issue with. It was not a crime-related thing, but it got them in each other's roll-a-dex, apparently.

On a personal note, we have so many Teddys and Tinas. I love it.

Still waiting to hear back from Florence. No word from either channel. Until I get more definitive information on the eyes, I'm holding off on the Florida phone slog. My time is a bit short - I only have an afternoon or two a week to make phone calls, and the three-hour time diff makes a difference.

As for Galen, I had been in regular phone contact with him through the summer, and met him once in Olympia, WA for some brewski and converation. He was down in Cooper Country for four weeks, and did some buzzing around in BC, too. I last spoke with him two weeks ago and he was back in Anchorage, working on da book.

I've had two full responses from Tom Kaye on my emails to him this week regarding the Nat Geo stuff. He told me essentially what Jerry has posted here concerning Tom's views on the propellers, etc.

My sense of what Tom wrote to me is that he presented the propeller transport theory to Nat Geo as speculative, lacking any significant data, and was thrown together at the last minute.

He also said that he was abandoning any microscopic investigation of the money and had sent the bills back to Larry. He was, however, still following up on the pollen angle.

As for Nat Geo, if they stonewall me I'm going to ask my mother to call the chief producer to ask why they are being so rude to her Sonny Boy. When my mom gets worked-up, well, let's just say that grown men have been known to cry.

For example:

After the black-box-digital-analogue-conversion thing this year, she's already steamed up about anything having to do with TV, Cable, or any fancy-schmansy electronic stuff. (Gawd- you should have seen her in Sears returning her first try at the conversion box last December when I was home for Christmas. Whew.....it wasn't pretty. She ended up talking to the store manager at his home on a day off. Go Mom! Caution: Momma Bears? - you don't want to, ahem, mess with them. Grrrrr.)

So, Nat Geo, if you're listening, consider yourselves duly informed.

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Snowmman. Wrong or incorrect . Not a Chance. Jerry

I will side with Jerry on this. Nuff said.

I will also explain, I think, something about Jerry.
Jerry is also a very compassionate and loyal
person. Jerry's remarks were meant to make
things easier for Brian, who Jerry respects. Its
all history now ... Brian does read this forum
from time to time (I am told).

Was I far wrong Jerry?