DB Cooper

[377 22]

Forget the locks Snow. The Navy arms their guard dolphins with bang sticks. I am sure you could get those high IQ dogs of yours similarly equipped. Once they are armed it kinda redefines the relationship. You'll have to either include an RC remote shutoff or start buying more prime rib and putting some extra seats at the table.

I can't buy OTC psudafed without a hassle because of the speed freaks wanting it for home cooking. Are hair care products next?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I’m also having a very interesting ethical debate with myself over whether it is permissible to snatch a couple twenties so I can prove to you guys that I actually made it when I do.

Don't take a twenty Bruce. Ray Bradbury knew about the horrible consequences of tranporting material across time. Haven't you seen the movie (based on a Bradbury Story) Sound of Thunder???

Can you imagine the chaos if you took one of the twenties that was later found at Tena Bar?
377

Now, that would casue a whole lot of trouble, wouldn't it. Sorry, 377, I think I'm gonna do it and see what happens. No guts,no glory - eh?

[snowmman 3]

377 said "I can't buy OTC psudafed without a hassle because of the speed freaks wanting it for home cooking. Are hair care products next?"

You know what's weird? I just got a haircut yesterday (i gave the 4' tall vietnamese woman $5 to keep things quiet).

My wife bought a used mini Cooper. (really. 2007. white).
I know she's in on the plot and just messing with my mind.

I was tempted to stop in the hardware store after the haircut, just to see if I needed anything...but I steadied myself and avoided the temptation. I figured the feds were lurking near the 650 in-lb hi torque drills. We all know how you can use those.

[snowmman 3]

People might not realize there are hijackers that are no longer in prison. That's a good trivia question for SchlitzNGrins: "Name a US hijacker who is alive and no longer in prison". (edit) I think there's actually more than one. Although there are some that are still in prison.

Amazing to think Zazi is facing life without parole.

When the feds come to get my muriatic acid, at least it's good to know up front it's a three strikes situation....Go down fighting. Nothing to lose.

[georger 244]

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377, 1969912 and Snowman,

Thanks for the humor, feedback and sanity check.

I fumbled with the last part of my tome. I was trying to illustrate how the suggestion of reading all past posts to a new person would take almost a year to complete. While the clock was ticking would anyone know if I was diligently reading or simply left the forum in abject disgust? Sorry, I wasn't trying to be a 'Drama King' nor take my ball and go home. In all candor, after reading some of the comments produced by Jerry Thomas I probably spent too much effort trying to modify a behavior which serves no purpose. Jerry Thomas may not have the capacity to appreciate the consequences of his posts. This could be fueled by a blinding passion associated with Washougal or a simple lack of situational awareness driven by a void of social skills through a very limited and overloaded processor. I am supremely confident, Jerry Thomas has no idea what the last sentence conveys.

PS- Mary Ann!!

Now that WAS a stupid post! And you addressed
all of the right morons and trouble makers.

We no longer need you at Penn State but Snowmman will give you one of his famous
blowjobs. He already has.

Keep up the good work.

[snowmman 3]

God, I love the internet...it smells like..
The Internet!

[Greene 0]

All of you "have lost your mind".

The DB Cooper thread is no longer on your minds.

Get back on track or start a new thread.

The topic of this thread has lost the fundamentals of why it was started

Get back to what this tread is about or find a new venue

Lee

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"SLAP" Thanks Lee, we needed that. Guilty as charged.

We'll start back on Cooper tomorrow.

Ready Snow? Georger? Farflung?

Let's talk flight paths and what lights were actually seen by the cockpit crew though the overcast.

And why dont we have a precise radar track from the USAF SAGE system that was receiving networked radar data at McChord AFB site?

And how could two F 106 air defense interceptors which were presumably connected to the SAGE system data links fail to find a nearby transponder equipped 727 which was hardly trying to evade detection?

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[Greene 0]

Thank you

[BruceSmith 3]

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All of you "have lost your mind".

The DB Cooper thread is no longer on your minds.

Get back on track or start a new thread.

The topic of this thread has lost the fundamentals of why it was started

Get back to what this tread is about or find a new venue

Lee

I gather, Lee, that you don't think there is any connection between the money find on Tina's Beach and cattle mutilations on the same property about twenty years later?

You may be correct, but how do you rule it out? At the very least, the cattle mutilation discussion has illuminated some of the lamest FBI documents in the history of law enforcement. For me, that view into the Bureau is priceless, and helpful in understanding the feds' investigation (or lack thereof) into the DB Cooper case.

As for launching an independent investigation via remote viewing and/or teleportation - why not?

If you're unfamiliar with the later techniques, I highly recommend "Psychic Warrior" by David Morehouse. It's a good read, and fully describes the capaciities of remote viewing, and also illustrates the very mixed agenda of the US government.

And yes, let's find out why the flight path is so suspect, and why the F 106s couldn't or didn't lock onto the transponders on Flight 305. To that end I am following-up on the post by Snow a few days back that shows a report by Adele Ferguson (who writes for a newspaper I write for, I just found out) that NORAD specifically shut down McChord's request to put chaff in the chutes and blocked the 106s from close pursuit.

To me, it's all good.

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"SLAP" Thanks Lee, we needed that. Guilty as charged.

We'll start back on Cooper tomorrow.

Ready Snow? Georger? Farflung?

Let's talk flight paths and what lights were actually seen by the cockpit crew though the overcast.

And why dont we have a precise radar track from the USAF SAGE system that was receiving networked radar data at McChord AFB site?

And how could two F 106 air defense interceptors which were presumably connected to the SAGE system data links fail to find a nearby transponder equipped 727 which was hardly trying to evade detection?

377

I have been silent and now is the time to speak. Not sure how much I wish to say tonight, but here goes with the first part which is a riddle of sorts, but it really happened last night and falls within the scope of your post about what could be seen by Cooper from the plane that night.

I have repeatedly tried to make people understand where Duane took me in 1979. I receive a "map" in the mail yesterday. Last night I marked the map for the gentleman, but still couldn't find the one landmark that made all the rest make sense.

I couldn't sleep considering some of the other information I acquired recently so - I made myself some tea and the marked map was on the kitchen counter. It was upside down.

So how can an upside down map suddenly make everything else make sense and not change any descriptions I have given?

Remember there was always that one thing I couldn't find - and a claim by one the posters all of the area was developed. I will assure you there are more homes, but no WalMart or other such establishment - I had a very busy day on the phone.

So 377 if you were to jump in the night in this area - coming out of Battleground what would you be looking for? Would not certain "structures" with red lights located at higher elevations not extend above the clouds or whatever coverage was there?

If you could see the haze of Vancover from Orchards you could also see to the East other forms of lights such as beacons, etc. Evidently about that time was a moment of opportunity and what if Cooper was looking elsewhere or knew the correlations of those lights with supposed targets to the East?

On the trip in 1979 Weber pointed out towers, lights, airports - strips, power lines, pipelines, cemeteries, logging camps, etc. Starting in Washougal with 2 strips in that area, multiple towers, and on to other towers. What was his fascination with the towers and the Hat Thing? Why and how did he know the location of very airstrip even if it could not be seen from the highway? Which I only found from old maps much later. Everything he pointed out to me was a landmark - he told me the names of these landmarks.

Now if Duane had not worked and lived there - how might he have known all these landmarks and why would he have a need to know them even if he did?

The riddle:
So how can an upside down map suddenly make everything else make sense and not change any descriptions I given.

Please think of Weber as you would any other suspect - at this time. View him as you would any suspect - just treat me as you would other posters with NO personal attacks.

Other suspects would need to have known the same information. How long and what would be a reason for someone to know all of the above and how would they acquire that information in such detail?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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why the F 106s couldn't or didn't lock onto the transponders on Flight 305.

Actually Bruce, the F 106s onboard radar couldnt interrogate the 727's transponder, but the F 106 MA 1 fire control system had a data link to the immensely sophisticated USAF SAGE networked ground based radar system. This link allowed SAGE to control the interceptor's autopilot and direct it to a target painted by the SAGE radar! A transponder equipped 727 isnt exactly a stealth aircraft.

I have been doing HAHO jumps the last few weekends. I wonder what would happen if I threw out a bunch of chaff at 14,000 ft? I think ATC radar has velocity gates which reject realy slow moving targets, but I am not certain. Maybe it would generate some UFO reports if I did it on a sunset jump. That stuff is pretty reflective.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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So 377 if you were to jump in the night in this area - coming out of Battleground what would you be looking for? Would not certain "structures" with red lights located at higher elevations not extend above the clouds or whatever coverage was there?

Honestly Jo, I dont know enough about the area to know if a single or even multiple tower anti collision lights would give me an unambiguous position fix. I'd be far more worried about jumping over a safe landing area than knowing my exact geographic location.

I know you have a beef with Jerry, but he is an experienced parachutist and he knows the territory. The question is better put to him.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

[snowmman 3]

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Get back to what this tread is about or find a new venue

Lee

I want to be banned. Quade won't do it.
I suspect a plot.
So: It's not my fault. It's some OGA's fault.

I notice on the Zazi thing, the various 50 agencies are bickering.
The whole investigation was based on the imam maintaining state secrets for some reason? People are already getting fired.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gpWnL9ZZRMgGCBTyE2-aSa9uBvrAD9AU0NAG1


"In a joint statement, Kelly and Joe Demarest, head of the FBI office in New York, denied reports that the questioning of Afzali and his alleged betrayal had caused a rift between the agencies."

It's ugly when a pack of dogs are fighting over a small scrap in one food bowl.

(edit) was "tread" a Freudian slip...."Don't tread on me"...

[Greene 0]

I have no clue, but neither do you.

You chime in every now and then and then put bizarre
scenarios in this thread.

Get back on track what this thread is about, and then take those mutilated cows back where you and them came from.

Your theory is a bit bizarre and not the least bit relevant to this conversation.

Lee

[Greene 0]

Lee

[Greene 0]

"Jerry is an experienced skydiver" ?

Prove it, and then ask him why he is so mean to Jo.

Experienced jumpers are some of the nicest people anyone could ever hope to meet.

Jerry? Why the hostility?

Lee

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Experienced jumpers are some of the nicest people anyone could ever hope to meet.
Lee

it's always interesting to see where people work in their caveats..i.e. wiggle room.

Sounds like those "inexperienced jumpers" are bastards-from-hell!

Is there a charm school?

[snowmman 3]

Everyone is involved in the plot. Women are in on the plot too. recognized a woman!
Used the "blond" excuse to buy chemicals!
I think I saw some blonds by the acetone at Ace Hardware!
Acetone is so available at hardware stores..why would you buy nail polish remover? Sure sounds like mistaken identification...Everyone is a terrorist! I know! Hell! Even the "American" looking ones!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113185375


Pauline Graham, a saleswoman at Sally Beauty Supply in Aurora, said the FBI interviewed everyone in her store about two weeks ago. She said they also showed her photos.

"I didn't recognize any of the men, but I recognized one of the women," Graham said. She said the woman bought "ethnic" beauty supplies but no peroxide, and that anyone buying large quantities would have attracted attention.

Hong Eom, 30, owner of Kay Lee Beauty Supply in Aurora, said he told an FBI agent last week that a woman recently bought a large quantity of Clairoxide from him and that a man bought a lot of acetone on a different day. He said the customers appeared to be "American."

Eom said the woman bought 10 16-ounce bottles of Clairoxide. While most people buy only one or two, he didn't think her purchase was strange because her hair was very blond.

"I thought she needed a lot because she dyed her hair every week," he said.


Michael didn't know he lived near a WMD store.


Michael Abeyta, 41, lives in an apartment complex near the Beauty Supply Warehouse, which is housed in an old skating rink several miles east of downtown Denver.

"That's 50 feet from my home," he said. "It's just scary that they can buy that stuff here. Hydrogen peroxide can be used for a few things. I didn't think bombs was one of them."


Knowledge is a dangerous thing. We need some town hall meetings on this.

[snowmman 3]

How come this kid isn't facing life without parole. I mean he had shit..lots of it. I guess 19 really is older than "kid" too.

This is today

http://www.upi.com/Emerging_Threats/2009/09/24/US-teen-tied-to-IEDs-fake-CIA-badge/UPI-64311253807017/

BETHESDA, Md., Sept. 24 (UPI) -- U.S. authorities said a 19-year-old Maryland native is linked to the possession of explosive devices and faked CIA intelligence identification badges.

Rod Rosenstein, the U.S. attorney for the District of Maryland, said Collin McKenzie-Gude of Bethesda, Md., pleaded guilty to the possession of an unregistered destructive device.

Court documents and his plea agreement state law enforcement officers in July 2008 recovered a weapons cache from his bedroom, including an AK-47 assault rifle, a modified flash bang grenade and nitrate chemicals used to manufacture explosive devices.

In addition, police say they allegedly uncovered a fake Central Intelligence Agency identification access badge and a faked common access card from the U.S. Government Geneva Conventions.

"We cannot know for certain what Collin McKenzie-Gude would have done if law enforcement had not acted," said Rosenstein. "What we know for certain is that he made and exploded pipe bombs and had the components to build new explosive devices."

McKenzie-Gude admitted to having the knowledge to make explosive devices, shape charges and other similar weapons. Latent fingerprints from detonated pipe bombs link him to a number of devices.

The U.S. government said it believes McKenzie-Gude had between eight and 24 firearms and made between 15 and 25 pipe bombs at his residence.

He faces a 10-year prison sentence and a $250,000 fine. Sentencing is scheduled for Jan. 7.

[georger 244]

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All of you "have lost your mind".

The DB Cooper thread is no longer on your minds.

Get back on track or start a new thread.

The topic of this thread has lost the fundamentals of why it was started

Get back to what this tread is about or find a new venue

Lee

And why!, pray tell, do you address this to me - the one of the few left here who keeps trying to stay with the case through ................
posts like yours? You obviously have not been following this thread to know who and what are who and what. Nuff saide.

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Really need some information from those who read this forum that have done Night Jumps. What could be seen by Cooper from the plane that night?

Since the plane was known to have passed over Lake Merwin and in the general directions of Battleground what would you guys as jumpers be looking for? Would not certain "structures" with red lights located at higher elevations not extend above the clouds or whatever coverage was there?

If one could see the haze of Vancover from Orchards as has been contended, would you not also be able to see in other directions other forms of lights such as beacons, etc. Evidently moments of supposed visual opportunity was available to the pilot to site Vancouver, therefore would it not be possible for Cooper to correlate those lights with supposed targets to the East (targets he knew)?

On the trip in 1979 Weber pointed out towers, lights, airports - strips, power lines, pipelines, cemeteries, logging camps, etc. Starting in Washougal with 2 strips in that area, multiple towers, and on to other towers. What was his fascination with the towers and the Hat Thing? Why and how did he know the location of very airstrip even if it could not be seen from the highway? (Which I only found from old maps much later and his saying you can't see it from here.) Everything he pointed out to me was a landmark - he told me the names of these landmarks...he was fixated on towers of all kinds and even told about towers that used to be, but where NO longer there in 1979.

How long and what would be a reason for someone to know all of the above and how would they acquire that information in such detail? Remember the FBI claims no record of Duane residing in Wa except for a brief stint at Mc Neil Federal Prison.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[georger 244]

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"SLAP" Thanks Lee, we needed that. Guilty as charged.

We'll start back on Cooper tomorrow.

Ready Snow? Georger? Farflung?

Let's talk flight paths and what lights were actually seen by the cockpit crew though the overcast.

And why dont we have a precise radar track from the USAF SAGE system that was receiving networked radar data at McChord AFB site?

And how could two F 106 air defense interceptors which were presumably connected to the SAGE system data links fail to find a nearby transponder equipped 727 which was hardly trying to evade detection?

377

Yepper. I was borne ready. However Farflung sees no humor or intelligence in anything
I say. That must mean he's on Snowmman's and
Josephino's payroll.

I admire FarFlung's intelligence and his pluck but personal attacks were a surprise... I thought certain
biases were obvious and didnt need pointing out?
It's most unfortunate all way 'round.

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why the F 106s couldn't or didn't lock onto the transponders on Flight 305.

Actually Bruce, the F 106s onboard radar couldnt interrogate the 727's transponder, but the F 106 MA 1 fire control system had a data link to the immensely sophisticated USAF SAGE networked ground based radar system. This link allowed SAGE to control the interceptor's autopilot and direct it to a target painted by the SAGE radar! A transponder equipped 727 isnt exactly a stealth aircraft.

Now that is interesting if true. Do you know this is true and not just conjecture? Can Bruce find someone
to confirm? And why no records (with timestamps), would there be records, and will Snow drop Braden
and Mojavi-Joe and turn his genius skills to this?
Probably "no" across the board.

But Lee's Dad WAS COOPER! He wouldnt be here otherwise! Gte busy Snow..

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"Jerry is an experienced skydiver" ?

Prove it, and then ask him why he is so mean to Jo.

Experienced jumpers are some of the nicest people anyone could ever hope to meet.

Jerry? Why the hostility?

Lee

Its all my fault! Isnt that obvious!

You obviously have not read Jo's posts about ANGEL ODELL.

Read all posts about ANGEL ODELL (or was it
ANGLE ORDEAL) and then come back and throw squash seeds (like you were at the end of the
bar and five Hell's Angels were headed your way?)