DB Cooper

[snowmman 3]

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This side of the state.. WAY too many idiots that dont know WTF they are doing in the woods. If he would have jumped a week earlier The elk season would have been open with alll kinds of people all over the roads.. he might have gotten shot by some of the fools out there.

Hey that's funny to ponder. We talked a bit about random possibilities of why 11/25.

No one mentioned a relation to hunting season. That would be really funny if he knew about that.

[snowmman 3]

amazon said "I usually feel very comfortable in the woods.. no matter where I am. "

Modern gear (I mentioned goretex) is like having a space suit. You can go almost anywhere on the planet comfortably.

A big stepping stone is when you spend an unplanned night out, and find it's no big deal, other than feeling cold and stiff in the morning, and realizing that no matter how miserable the night was, things look a lot better when the sun comes up!

[Amazon 7]

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This side of the state.. WAY too many idiots that dont know WTF they are doing in the woods. If he would have jumped a week earlier The elk season would have been open with alll kinds of people all over the roads.. he might have gotten shot by some of the fools out there.

Hey that's funny to ponder. We talked a bit about random possibilities of why 11/25.

No one mentioned a relation to hunting season. That would be really funny if he knew about that.

If he was the kind of person I think he is.. trust me.. he would have known that.

[skyjack71 0]

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Jo.. I think you need to come show Jerry you have some bronze ovaries.. and make a jump with us

I could even take you for a trip around the area.. I do have a nice big diesel 4x4 and I do know the roads up in that area pretty good.

Come on out for a visit...

Would love nothing more than to go to WA, but have been afraid of flying since a blood vessel ruptured behind my eardrum a few yrs ago (one of the "bus" jets making a fast landing).

Brittle bones and missing most of the meniscus in my right knee (use a cane if I leave the house). A few yrs ago - would have taken you up in a N.Y. minute. I was always a dare devil...a miracle I am alive.

I have walked the rafters of a barn 2 1/2 stories high with no pole or guide or anything to hold on to. Thought I was a trapeze artist. Made a dare jump in college off a rock piling at a man-made lake near Danville into what I found was relative shallow water - but my back has paid dearly for it. Never knew how high up I was - my memory is greatly distorted regarding the height....often wonder if it is still there and understand most of them have collapsed.

This idiot had absolutely no fear of anything except snakes and spiders. Height and fast cars - now I drive like a snail and count to 100 over and over crossing the many bays we have here. Now I am that old lady who lived for years in my mirror and other reflective items in my home.

When I first discovered the approximate route I think Duane walked out - I could have done it - that was 8 yrs ago.

Would love to be there if anyone ever dared to recreate the jump and even to meet them at points along the way - because I want to see what it looks like today. Some of what was woods - now has homes and roads - so that would be easy. Especially interested in one particular place I think he spent the night at. By the second or third night he was on the Columbia across from the Portland airport. Always wanted to know who owned that property in 1971....and another piece of property (a farm). The FBI refused to look at it.

Some things I know from comments made on that trip and during our marriage - others are from my own communications with other family members.

Weber knew his only escape was to go as far away from his LZ as he could get - where they would NOT be looking for him....and he knew the way to Lake LaCames - he had the best maps anyone could ask for (Pipe lines and power lines and towers - some of which had warning lights for the planes etc)....he told me that yrs before that you could walk for miles along these until the undergrowth took over. He knew were every landmark was because he showed me landmarks and I could not see them - had no way of knowing they really existed until I got detailed maps of the area in 2001 and some much later.

Someone who SUPPOSEDLY according to the FBI never spent any time in WA except for a short stay in the McNeil Island Prison could not have known all the things he did and showed me. Agent Larry Hope denied that Duane was in McNeil, but that was later refuted by his superior on national TV.

In the darkness of night he stole a boat from a Marina on the Columbia where that power line crossed the Columbia and went right back to Vancouver. He always made this remark "If you want to get away with a crime go right back at them". Well, he must have known because it worked.

The cabin or old homestead on the river - he had to have known it was vacant. The one across from and West of the PDX. This is where he went down to the river and this is when he told me about the tracks and the cabin that used to be there. He told me about how slow the trains went thru there - so I think he hopped one of them after he figured out their destination. He had buried the money and found a some other clothes - he was just a bum on his way to California.

When he got to CA he needed help - so he called someone he could trust - she begged me to leave the past in the past and then had a heart attack - a few yrs later when I am in Ca talking to the only person she ever confided in - she has another heart attack before he and I can have our private conversation - she knew what time he had dinner and that he planned on having a private talk with me after dinner. Will anyone ever know what he was going to tell me? Will any of this ever be acknowledged? WHY are there so many secrets in the life of Duane L. Webe?

We found the keys to some of those secrets and I hope to be able to make them public in a short while. It has been a very long road - it has used up my life and I am tired.

Yes, I want to make that trip back to WA with all of my heart and soul. I want to bring Weber with me - because that is where he should be. Where everyone thought Cooper had died. When you make that venture from the LZ - to the Columbia and then back to the PDX a little of him will be left at points along the way.

BIG noisy problem with doing this - Jerry. The one man on this earth I NEVER want to meet. Call me what you like but never call me a liar...because that I am not. Yes, there are some things I can only guess at because I do NOT have all the pieces to the puzzle. but what I do have tells me - Weber was Cooper.

What will I do if the FBI put undisputable evidence and proof in front of me that Weber was NOT Cooper? Jerry has claimed Weber was with family and another time he claimed he was in jail. So which is it?

If a certain person aided Weber they would have been quilty of and convicted of aiding and abetting him - even after all of these yrs...not to mention the social stigma the would have gone along with this admission.

The above is considered copyright even in a public media...because it is not fiction. but the truth as only Jo Weber knows it.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[snowmman 3]

Jo said "The above is considered copyright even in a public media...because it is not fiction. but the truth as only Jo Weber knows it."

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[georger 244]

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Jo said "The above is considered copyright even in a public media...because it is not fiction. but the truth as only Jo Weber knows it."

If you want to hear more of this amazing story, send contributions to duaneweber@paypal.com
Your generosity has been overwhelming and the schoolkids who watch us cash the checks wish they got some of it.
We guarantee no money raised is given to Jo Weber, but we also guarantee that your contributions will keep the truth being told.
Thank you for your support.

The White Buffalo Woman Pte Ska Win'tho T'tanka showed the people how to use the pipe. She filled it with chan-shasha, red willow-bark tobacco. She walked around the lodge four times after the manner of Anpetu-Wi, the great sun. This represented the circle without end, the sacred hoop, the road of life. The woman placed a dry buffalo chip on the fire and lit the pipe with it. This was peta-owihankeshini, the fire without end, the flame to be passed on from generation to generation. She told them that the smoke rising from the bowl was Tunkashila's breath, the living breath of the great Grandfather Mystery.

The White Buffalo Woman showed the people the right way to pray, the right words and the right gestures. She taught them how to sing the pipe-filling song and how to lift the pipe up to the sky, toward Grandfather, and down toward Grandmother Earth, to Unci, and then to the four directions of the universe.

"With this holy pipe," she said, "you will walk like a living prayer. With your feet resting upon the earth and the pipestem reaching into the sky, your body froms a living bridge between the Sacred Beneath and the Sacred Above. Wakan Tanka smiles upons us, because now we are as one: earth, sky, all living things, the two-legged, the four-legged, the winged ones, the trees, the grasses. Together with the people, they are all related, one family. The pipe holds them all together."

"Look at this bowl," said the White Buffalo Woman. "Its stone represents the buffalo, but also the flesh and blood of the red man. The buffalo represents the universe and the four directions, because he stands on four legs, for the four ages of man. The buffalo was put in the west by Wakan Tanka at the making of the world, to hold back the waters. Every year he loses one hair, and in every one of the four ages he loses a leg. The Sacred Hoop will end when all the hair and legs of the great buffalo are gone, and the water comes back to cover the Earth.

The wooden stem of this chanunpa stands for all that grows on the earth. Twelve feathers hanging from where the stem- the backbone- joins the bowl- the skull- are from Wanblee Galeshka, the spotted eagle, the very sacred who is the Great Spirit's messenger and the wisest of all cry out to Tunkashila. Look at the bowl: engraved in it are seven circles of various sizes. They stand for the seven ceremonies you will pratice with this pipe, and for the Ocheti Shakowin, the seven sacred campfires of our Lakota nation."

The White Buffalo Woman then spoke to the women, telling them that it was the work of their hands and the fruit of their bodies which kept the people alive. "You are from the mother earth," she told them. "What you are doing is as great as what warriors do."

And therefore the sacred pipe is also something that binds men and women together in a circle of love. It is the one holy object in the making of which both men and women have a hand. The men carve the bowl and make the stem; the women decorate it with bands of colored porcupine quills. When a man takes a wife, they both hold the pipe at the same time and red cloth is wound around their hands, thus tying them together for life.

The White Buffalo Woman had many things for her Lakota sisters in her sacred womb bag; corn, wasna (pemmican), wild turnip. She taught how to make the hearth fire. She filled a buffalo paunch with cold water and droped a red-hot stone into it. "This way you shall cook the corn and the meat," she told them.

The White Buffalo Woman also talked to the children, because they have an understanding beyond their years. She told them that what their fathers and mothers did was for them, that their parents could remember being little once, and that they, the children, would grow up to have little ones of their own. She told them: "You are the coming generation, that's why you are the most important and precious ones. Some day you will hold this pipe and smoke it. Some day you will pray with it."

She spoke once more to all the people: "The pipe is alive; it is a red being showing you a red life and a red road. And this is the first ceremony for which you will use the pipe. You will use it to Wakan Tanka, the Great Mystery Spirit. The day a human dies is always a sacred day. The day when the soul is released to the Great Spirit is another. Four women will become sacred on such a day. They will be the ones to cut the sacred tree, the can-wakan, for the sun dance."

She told the Lakota that they were the purest among the tribes, and for that reason Tunkashila had bestowed upon them the holy chanunpa. They had been chosen to take care of it for all the Indian people on this turtle continent.

She spoke one last time to Standing Hollow Horn, the chief, saying, "Remember: this pipe is very sacred. Respect it and it will take you to the end of the road. The four ages of creation are in me; I am the four ages. I will come to see you in every generation cycle. I shall come back to you."

The sacred woman then took leave of the people, saying: "Toksha ake wacinyanktin ktelo, I shall see you again."

The people saw her walking off in the same direction from which she had come, outlined againest the red ball of the setting sun. As she went, she stopped and rolled over four times. The first time, she turned into a black buffalo; the second into a brown one; the third into a red one; and finally, the fouth time she rolled over, she turned into a white female buffalo calf. A white buffalo is the most sacred living thing you could ever encounter.

The White Buffalo Woman disappeared over the Horizon. Sometime she might come back. As soon as she had vanished, buffalo in great herds appeared, allowing themselves to be killed so tha the people might survive. And from that day on, our relations, the buffalo, furnished the people with everthing they needed, meat for their food, skins for their clothes and tipis, bones for their many tools.

[JerryThomas 0]

Amazon thats strange I thought you knew the area. Long veiw fiber has owned most this area since the 60's. And the area I'm talking about has never been clear cut Its been the Gifford Pinchot National Forest since before you were born. Are you sure you know this area.Tell me when did weirheiser buy the Indian Heaven area. Jerry

[JerryThomas 0]

Amazon Are you just naturall forgetfull are is it alzheimers catching up with you. Flight path was pointed out by Rat as being to the east of v23 and over the troutdale Airport. And yes My search is to the east of Silver Star Mountain. Your 4wd won't get up in those area's. I have trouble geting my rig upin some of those area's. And my rig is small. It's a 07 Ford dualy 450 4wd Diesel crew cab.You May Know these roads. But not the terain that well. So Letrs do this. Let's get the guy that put the chute together that Cooper used to duplicate it. Put you in a suite with sun Glasses Strap you with a 25 lb bag and slip on shoe's take you to 9000ft in stormy conditions this time of year. fly you over the giford pichot forest and the washougal water shed and let you jump. You will have advantage's over Cooper you will have prior knowledge of the area and alot of survival and jump experience. but nothing else. you game. Jerry

[skyjack71 0]

That statement was made at some kind of get together yrs and yrs after the incident - outside of it being a casual remark made yrs later - about the plane being further EAST that much was and has never been comfirmed in anyway what so ever. I believe if my MEMORY serves me right this was said during a retirement party for Himmelsbach. This may have been cocktail talk and is not a documented statement.

I have read NO Newspaper accounting nor FBI accounting of the co-pilot stating this during the investigation or in any of the other new media coverage on this 1971 hijacking.

Note also Jerry, you told me there was a Walmart and other development where there is none - as I described the area to you in one of the horrid wretched phone conversations where you treated me like a prisoner of war.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[JerryThomas 0]

Jo. Go to bed. Your Only real conection to this case is the fiction stories you have come up with. If you had not read that first book Called, It happened Here you would have had no knowledge of the case to begin with. Lets not forget how many different times your story has changed. I have posted the change's in the area and they are correct. Of course you realy wouldn't know that. Because it is like every thing else you do, you make it up or look at map's on the internet that have not been properly updated. Jerry

[Orange1 0]

there were a few posts about macho bar talk etc while i was 'out' ... i don't think either Amazon nor I skydive to try prove we are macho

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[JerryThomas 0]

Orange 1 No one has said you acted macho. What was said was how you are one of the respected few.Snowmman mentioned that you were one of the few that made skydiving interesting enough to try and enjoy. Jerry

[skyjack71 0]

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Your Only real conection to this case is the fiction stories you have come up with. If you had not read that first book Called It happened Here you would have had no knowledge of the case to begin with.

I believe the book is titled What Really Happened by Max Gunther. I have more cognitive knowledge of this crime than you have. You have been no more than a deterrent all of these yrs. The things you claimed I said to others (being media) and in this forum will come back to haunt you more than you are already haunted by the horrors you have buried in your mind from the past.

I can assure you that Duane Weber was involved in this crime and eventually it will be proven but without your help. Did I say involved? There are those who would say anything to you just to get you out of their hair. You believe whatever you want to believe or whatever makes you happy until the time comes. You think you are part of the Cooper story? All of the things you have said on this forum that are not true and that horrible phone call will be all they will remember - can you handle that?

Is that how you want your family to remember you - this man who goes to a forum and says these things to a woman whose husband it turns out really was involved in the hijacking. Well, as it stand right now that is how you will be remembered. You will NOT be part of the story and you will not be remembered or for that matter acknowledge.

You will be a bad memory for those involved in this part of the investigation. Maybe you will be remembered as a Screwed up Veteran who spent his life in the woods searching for Cooper's bones and who repeatedly called anyone who claimed to have any knowledge of the crime - a liar or a fiction writer. You will be remembered only for how badly you treated me and any untruths you have told and the grief you have caused. What you told about Duane's friend will NEVER beforgotten, nor the fact that my encounters with you were nothing but unpleasant. Can you handle that?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

[JerryThomas 0]

Jo the only thing you can asure anyone of is that you will make up what ever story you think will work to get someone to think you are the ex Ms Cooper.And for what? So you can live a lie or make up more fiction stories. Jerry

[SKYWHUFFO 1]

Jerry,

you keep talking about how Cooper was dressed. Why won't you answer my question i have asked you three times. Here it is to refresh your memory.

Jerry,

here's two questions for you. Can anyone say 100% confirmed with irrefutable evidence, no doubts not opinion as to what Cooper carried on the plane when he boarded? #2 what did he do in the extended time in the bathroom? did he have a bag of gear in the overhead he carried on? until these are answered you can not say 100% beyond a doubt what Cooper was wearing to survive or that he had loafers on and lost them. till these are 100% beyond a doubt answered you are connesting dots that are PRESUMED not know. The shoes were noted early on when he showed the bomb in the seat. they were not observed when he "was gearing up". did he change into survival gear or jump gear in the bathroom, then dump his suit out the back and drop the tie in the process? This is somthing we can not say cause, cause we do not know and won't know so making comments he had no shoes and was wearing a suit is urban ledgend till it is proved, and that scientifically can not be done till a time machine is invented.

I am not trying to pick a fight, we talk all the time about fanatasy versus know accepted evidence. I think this is a great example. Wouldn't you agree you are going on presumed not verified evidence.

Thanks

[SKYWHUFFO 1]

sorry to rain on the testosterone parade, but i think you have no chance in hell to think for an instance the FAA is going to sign off on this LZ so you can make this jump. With that the words bandit jumps come to mind. No DZO is going to risk his plane or DZ to be apart of that. I would love to do it, but reality says no chance of a clearance from the FAA.

[Orange1 0]

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sorry to rain on the testosterone parade, but i think you have no chance in hell to think for an instance the FAA is going to sign off on this LZ so you can make this jump. .

...why?

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

[snowmman 3]

I was thinking how this is like the Survivor TV show.

You got the old military guy with his myopic thinking, thinking it's all about what happens when you start on the ground, as if you just woke up without a clue.

But at that point, it's all preordained by whatever happened before.

The game starts now. I will outwit, and outplay, everyone.

See, that's why Jerry is a dumbass, displaying the faults of classic old-school military training. He assumes his opponent is as dumb as he is.

(note) I will guarantee I will lie to you guys about what happened when I come back. De facto, the reality will only be defined by what you guys are able to verify or perceive. Remember: I don't give a shit about any of you guys.

[snowmman 3]

Jerry tried to claim "Flight path was pointed out by Rat as being to the east of v23 and over the troutdale Airport. "

Bruce Thomas interviewed Rat recently and posted the interview.
Go back and review it.

Your claim seems weak here Jerry.

[snowmman 3]

Jerry the business executive said "Tell me when did weirheiser buy the Indian Heaven area. Jerry "

About as interesting as discussing whether ability to be shot at is a necessary skill for hijacking planes.

[snowmman 3]

Jerry the truck driver said "I have trouble geting my rig upin some of those area's. And my rig is small. It's a 07 Ford dualy 450 4wd Diesel crew cab"

If a Ford can't get there, there's no way a human on two legs could.

[snowmman 3]

Jerry opined to Amazon "You will have advantage's over Cooper you will have prior knowledge of the area and alot of survival and jump experience. but nothing else"

Hey fuck Amazon and Cooper...this is all about me (remember we started with you blindfolding me and leading me into the woods at night and me taking the blindfold off and committing suicide)

How did we get from that to your perception of what Cooper knew or didn't know? Or what Amazon knows?

[snowmman 3]

is Amazon a woman? is that what the name reference is! Woot!

[snowmman 3]

In my experience hitchhiking, there's a reasonable chance that when I'm hitchhiking on an interstate (I-5) that a cop will stop to check my ID and tell me to get off the road. But with a reasonable story, they'll give you a ride to the next exit.

If I tell him I just hijacked a plane two days ago and jumped out of it an walked thru the woods and need a ride to Portland, will anyone get in trouble? I don't really care, but I'm sure I'll get a ride to Portland. (Starbucks!)

[Amazon 7]

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Amazon thats strange I thought you knew the area. Long veiw fiber has owned most this area since the 60's. And the area I'm talking about has never been clear cut Its been the Gifford Pinchot National Forest since before you were born. Are you sure you know this area.Tell me when did weirheiser buy the Indian Heaven area. Jerry

It all depends on the area now doesn't it Jerry. Both companies own vast tracts of land in SW Washington. Lets not look at the map of the Gifford Pinchot NF today.. but the way it was back in 1971. Maybe your senior moments are preventing you from remembering that the government and the timber companies did quite a bit of swapping of land after Mt St Helens and the consolidation that led to Reagans signing the National Monument into being in 1982. They traded whole sections of land all over that area so they could set the boundries of the monument literally as a set aside forever. Face it there is a HELL of a lot clear cuts all over the area.. INCLUDING on national forest land. The only areas not cut have some special significance like the Mt St Helens monument the Big Lava Bed or the Trapper Creek Wilderness, Mt Adams Wilderness, or the Indian Heaven Wilderness. Any sat view of the area is full of clear cuts.. and many of the forests around those are all second growth as well. That means roads and old rail beds from when the old growth was originally taken down and hauled out. Most of the areas YOU want to talk about are WAY too far to the east to have any significance to DBC in the slightest.

Oh and DUUUUUDE get a 4x4 that will go offroad..not that F-250 tank... no wonder you cant get into the back country.. might I suggest a nice 2 wheeler... or a Polaris Sportsman.