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I think it's possible that georger has proved, thru his light theory, that maybe Duane Weber was not Cooper, and Jo is a nut case.
If so, that would be kind of revolutionary for the thread.
(edit) Yes Georger, Duane Weber was Cooper. Please send money to duaneweber@paypal.com
Georger might be the last person on earth that thinks it's worth thinking about Duane Weber. So pay up, georger!
If so, that would be kind of revolutionary for the thread.
(edit) Yes Georger, Duane Weber was Cooper. Please send money to duaneweber@paypal.com
Georger might be the last person on earth that thinks it's worth thinking about Duane Weber. So pay up, georger!
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QuoteSkydivers are right.
Whuffos are losers. We prove it every day!
(edit) In my defense, all I said was towers don't need special painting or lights till 200' above ground. (at least, as far as FCC+FAA goes, outside of protected airspace..local building codes may differ though, as I noted). This includes commercial use.
Georger was the one who brought his family relationships into the picture. I have no idea what he's done with his family, nor do I expect him to expose the prurient details on the interweb.
(edit) Georger if you have a reference for commercial use requiring lights below 200' above ground, why not just post it?
I'm not sure what the lights requirements are for grain elevators either. That might be interesting?
I wanted to show I knew something about towers. Georger wanted to show I was wrong. Georger was wrong.
Pretty simple.
(edit)
I looked at the specific FAA and FCC stuff. Interestingly the FAA does leave themselves an out ..see below. (it has nothing to do with commercial or non-commerical..they say depending on location, which seems pretty open-ended...Since they're not required to be notified for <200 ft, I'm not sure how they force this if they want it?)
reference from the fcc site:
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/policy/dtv/lighting.html
The FCC's rules governing antenna tower lighting and painting requirements are based upon the advisory recommendations of the FAA, which are set forth in two FAA Advisory Circulars. 47 CFR §§ 17.21-17.58. Although the FAA's lighting and painting standards are advisory in nature, the FCC's rules make the standards mandatory. The standards and specifications set forth in these FAA documents are incorporated by reference into the FCC's rules, making these advisory standards mandatory for antenna towers.[/black
The FAA Obstruction Marking and Lighting Circular is here: 2/1/2007 page 11 of 64 mentions 200 feet, as I noted.
http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgAdvisoryCircular.nsf/0/b993dcdfc37fcdc486257251005c4e21
Any temporary or permanent structure, including all appurtenances, that exceeds an overall height of 200 feet (61m) above ground level (AGL) or exceeds any obstruction standard contained in 14 CFR part 77, should normally be marked and/or lighted. However, an FAA aeronautical study may reveal that the
absence of marking and/or lighting will not impair aviation safety. Conversely, the object may present such an extraordinary hazard potential that higher standards may be recommended for increased conspicuity to ensure safety to air navigation.
Normally outside commercial lighting is not considered sufficient reason to omit recommended marking and/or lighting. Recommendations on marking and/or lighting structures can vary
depending on terrain features, weather patterns, geographic location, and in the case of wind turbines, number of structures and overall layout of design.
The FAA may also recommend marking and/or lighting a structure that does not exceed 200 (61m) feet AGL or 14 CFR part 77 standards because of its particular location.
If you will show the relevance to DB Cooper in the
State of Washington I will call the office tomorrow.
I do think that for all practical purposes your 200 foot limit is wrong. You seem to be saying that
no towers under 200ft in Washington would have a mandated light unless they were forced to but not
mandated by the FAA ... like someone meeting garage can regs?
My response was: Its not that simple and yours "is all theoretical on your part".
snowmman 3
georger said "My response was: Its not that simple and yours "is all theoretical on your part".
Well, yeah, obviously.
So yeah, call up tomorrow and find out if the 43M towers on Larch have lights.
I have no idea.
Now the wood lookout tower they took down in 1976, that probably had electric lights inside the cabin.
Do you think it had aircraft lights?
You could ask about that too! (it was roughly 100' tall, but then had a cabin on top...so maybe 112' tall? (guess). shorter than the current radio towers. (note they had tall trees, at least two, in that first tower picture I posted!)
(edit) The relevance is: If they had lights, then Duane Weber was Cooper! And that picture I posted of the guys with shovels, included Duane Weber. (if the towers had lights).
Well, yeah, obviously.
So yeah, call up tomorrow and find out if the 43M towers on Larch have lights.
I have no idea.
Now the wood lookout tower they took down in 1976, that probably had electric lights inside the cabin.
Do you think it had aircraft lights?
You could ask about that too! (it was roughly 100' tall, but then had a cabin on top...so maybe 112' tall? (guess). shorter than the current radio towers. (note they had tall trees, at least two, in that first tower picture I posted!)
(edit) The relevance is: If they had lights, then Duane Weber was Cooper! And that picture I posted of the guys with shovels, included Duane Weber. (if the towers had lights).
snowmman 3
georger bragged "woops I error. I was thinking of structures ie buildings. If you count towers then I think there are currently five or six, sven if you count Belgium, nine if you count Canada, maybe ten (one near Houston), .... oh shit and the one in Siwtzerland... how many is that? "
Georger, are you saying you're a contractor/developer/architect of some kind?
That would be cool.
I have a hard time believing that, though.
Georger, are you saying you're a contractor/developer/architect of some kind?
That would be cool.
I have a hard time believing that, though.
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Quotegeorger said "My response was: Its not that simple and yours "is all theoretical on your part".
Well, yeah, obviously.
So yeah, call up tomorrow and find out if the 43M towers on Larch have lights.
I have no idea.
Now the wood lookout tower they took down in 1976, that probably had electric lights inside the cabin.
Do you think it had aircraft lights?
You could ask about that too! (it was roughly 100' tall, but then had a cabin on top...so maybe 112' tall? (guess). shorter than the current radio towers. (note they had tall trees, at least two, in that first tower picture I posted!)
(edit) The relevance is: If they had lights, then Duane Weber was Cooper! And that picture I posted of the guys with shovels, included Duane Weber. (if the towers had lights).
I can almost buy Sluggo's account of not seeing many lights (from the numerous lighted towers
Joi says Duane was an expert on in 1971) in the
State of Washington.
Jo says she's been keeping this tidbit of data because it is some of her best data on Duane.
My point is, if Duane was so fucking smart about
towers and lights along V23 in Washington, when
and where did Duane divulge this to Jo who when
she first contacted Himmeslbach said she knew nothingabout Duane's background! Why would she
ask the FBI for help if she already had all the answers!? What was her purpose? To test the FBI
or to find Cooper?
If all the towers Jo names had lights but arent visible from the ground, then wouldnt Duane-the-expert know this and pick another route? Why not demand to fly at 8000 feet to better see the lights?
There are a million other similar questions which
this scenario also evokes?
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It's been hidden in plain sight (with no plane site) all this time. Duane did receive parachute training.
Doesn't the height of those lookout towers seem excessive for observation purposes?
Duane's role was so secret that he couldn't mingle with military jumpers who jumped from airplanes.
Duane should be worshipped on dropzone.com.
Duane was the the first ranger base jumper. He jumped from the towers. That's why he talked about them. Jo was on the path but she couldn't see the forest through the trees.
Look carefully at those drawings Snow. Somewhere there was a static line attachment point.
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Doesn't the height of those lookout towers seem excessive for observation purposes?
Duane's role was so secret that he couldn't mingle with military jumpers who jumped from airplanes.
Duane should be worshipped on dropzone.com.
Duane was the the first ranger base jumper. He jumped from the towers. That's why he talked about them. Jo was on the path but she couldn't see the forest through the trees.
Look carefully at those drawings Snow. Somewhere there was a static line attachment point.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
snowmman 3
This connects to the cattle mutilations at Tena Bar, that we discussed
http://www.ufoinfo.com/onthisday/February10.html
2/10/1995 - Evan Canoose and two of his friends had been camping in the area of Larch Mountain Honor Camp near Vancouver, Washington. At 6:30 a.m. Mr. Canoose was alone when he saw a strange creature about 30-40 feet away. It had an peculiar "out of focus" quality. He said that he and the creature stared at each other for 45 seconds. He described the creature as built like an orangutan, with a reddish-orange color, a wide chest and waist, and a black, flat face with black chest markings. It occasionally moved its right arm and hand back and forth. The witness heard no noises nor detected any odors during the encounter. Evan estimated the creature's height at six feet four inches tall, based on where it stood next to a tree. Feeling uneasy, Canoose went to his car and did not see the "blurry" creature leave. He did not tell his companions about his encounter until their trip home. (Source: Albert S. Rosales, Humanoid Contact Database 1995, citing Peter Byrne, The Western Bigfoot Society Newsletter, issue # 44).
http://www.ufoinfo.com/onthisday/February10.html
2/10/1995 - Evan Canoose and two of his friends had been camping in the area of Larch Mountain Honor Camp near Vancouver, Washington. At 6:30 a.m. Mr. Canoose was alone when he saw a strange creature about 30-40 feet away. It had an peculiar "out of focus" quality. He said that he and the creature stared at each other for 45 seconds. He described the creature as built like an orangutan, with a reddish-orange color, a wide chest and waist, and a black, flat face with black chest markings. It occasionally moved its right arm and hand back and forth. The witness heard no noises nor detected any odors during the encounter. Evan estimated the creature's height at six feet four inches tall, based on where it stood next to a tree. Feeling uneasy, Canoose went to his car and did not see the "blurry" creature leave. He did not tell his companions about his encounter until their trip home. (Source: Albert S. Rosales, Humanoid Contact Database 1995, citing Peter Byrne, The Western Bigfoot Society Newsletter, issue # 44).
snowmman 3
doesn't those old wooden towers give you a thrill? It's amazing thinking of building those in the woods. I guess it had to be all hand labor?, including all lifting (maybe horses and pulleys).
I love the wooden trestles on railroads too. There was a big 100' high wooden railroad trestle we used to wander by. Scary if you got caught when a train came thru..the escape platform had it's guard rails knocked off...
Nowadays, they'd just use a big heli to build towers (I'll post a big heli lift I just saw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ft9uj0KP8&feature=related
or Super Puma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV_uFiv5br8&feature=related
But you're right! Duane the forest ranger could have done static line training from his lookout tower.
How come Jo hasn't thought of this?
I love the wooden trestles on railroads too. There was a big 100' high wooden railroad trestle we used to wander by. Scary if you got caught when a train came thru..the escape platform had it's guard rails knocked off...
Nowadays, they'd just use a big heli to build towers (I'll post a big heli lift I just saw)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2ft9uj0KP8&feature=related
or Super Puma
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV_uFiv5br8&feature=related
But you're right! Duane the forest ranger could have done static line training from his lookout tower.
How come Jo hasn't thought of this?
snowmman 3
Georger: I believe any question involving Jo has the same answer:
She's nuts.
Why is that hard to believe?
She's nuts.
Why is that hard to believe?
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Quotedoesn't those old wooden towers give you a thrill? It's amazing thinking of building those in the woods. I bet it was all hand labor, including all lifting (maybe horses and pulleys)
They are indeed thrilling. There are some huge wooden bridges and trestles that still carry traffic today. The wooden railroad trestle in Aptos CA is frigging spectacular. Heavy coal trains pass over it nearly every day taking fuel up to the cement plant at Davenport CA. The Highway 1 bridge over the Albion River just south of Mendocino CA is a huge wooden structure. I used to unload salmon at Albion back in the 60s. I never ceased to marvel at that bridge with it's massive timbers and bolts. Federal stimulus money has doomed the wooden highway bridges. Even though they perform just fine they are skated for replacement by concrete, steel and rebar. Sad.
That odd piece of hardware that Jo sold at her garage sale was undoubtedly something specially made for ranger tower jumping. That's why we couldn't find it among catalog of standard military parachute gear.
It's all coming together now. It was just hidden in plain sight.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Capitola CA trestle
http://www.google.com/m/search?site=images&oe=UTF-8&client=safari&hl=en&q=capitola%20trestle&ct=more-results&sa=N
Albion River Bridge
http://www.google.com/search?q=Albion+river+bridge&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
Aptos train trestle
http://www.google.com/search?q=aptos+trestle&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
http://www.google.com/m/search?site=images&oe=UTF-8&client=safari&hl=en&q=capitola%20trestle&ct=more-results&sa=N
Albion River Bridge
http://www.google.com/search?q=Albion+river+bridge&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
Aptos train trestle
http://www.google.com/search?q=aptos+trestle&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Look carefully at those drawings Snow. Somewhere there was a static line attachment point.
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my thought too... when the attached went up I was warned "any funny stuff" (ropes and such) and I
would be shipped off to Wentworth to straighten me out! So, my thoughts turned to building a biplane
or a helicopter or something, to fly over the thing. Anticipating that my uncle Jim took me to a military surplus store in the city instead. There I purchased a weather baloon. Our local grocer provided the helium. Lt Col CCA and I did the baloon launch the nest day and the baloon went directly to the top of the elevator and snagged on the tower - just my luck. I had to go before Judge Magistrate Colwell. He fined me $2.50 and put me on probation for the school year, requiring a 'C' average. Except on Thanksgiving Day we (I) shot Judge Colwell's goose while hunting, by mistake. Lt Col. C
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AA said it was a turkey and being a lousy shot I had to dispatch the 'turkey'. I got out of this mess by promising to marry Judge Colwell's daughter ten years later,
which I did.
Static lines would have been a lot simpler!
But not allowed. Any furloughee from a prison
attaching one would be 'shot on sight'. Since
Duane lived to die in peace, we can assume he did not train from one of these towers - or marry the
Judge's daughter either.
snowmman 3
All, because I recounted the things Duane pointed out and explained on a 1979 trip to WA.
Just because he pointed something out does NOT mean it can be seen from a 727 at 10,000 ft. I have not done much flying in my life - but, when approaching areas I definitely can make out different areas and lights...if I know the area I can tell you what is below me.
Weber talked about lights on towers (2 of which were no longer there in 1979). We went to where there was no tower, but used to be, not far from a railroad track...and commented that you used to be able to see that light for miles. If a light would not make the towers (I have no idea what kind they are) seen in the dark - why would the map (1970) show what I believe to be beacon signals - indicating to me a light to let someone know it is there. This is a large map in black and white. I have looked for maps like this of the other specific areas, but found NONE.
This map was sent to me a few yrs ago and I don't remember who sent it. It is black and white and very large. What would be useful is maps just like this of the other areas in question other than the boundaries established in another post...because of what it shows.
It may have been sent to me by the an individual who was in the Forestry - I regret not remembering the source.
You guys sound like a bunch of frustrated hens when a fox has entered the Chicken Yard...and prowling thru the hen house.
Near Greene Mountain on the old 500 there is a light because an airport is near by - this one he pointed out and I assume the other lights and towers had the red lights for a reason. (I assume they were red, because it was daylight when I was in the area). I have NO idea how high they were or what the purpose was except to let pilots of small planes know they are there.
Bonneville Dam is not a tower, yet you can see it from a plane - just by the lights and haze.
Flying over Georgia and Ky, I can pinpoint different locations because I am familiar with them.
The last 2 trips within the last 20 yrs - nothing was familiar because things had changed drastically. One must remember that in 1971 - things were NOT so complicate - minus the rapid growth and urban sprawl of the last 38 yrs.
You guys make fun of me and call me a nut - just what kind of spectacle do you think you are making out of yourselves? I am a simple woman trying to make sense out of things a man showed me and told me and the items I held in my own hands. There are those who disagree nicely, but some of you are vicious. Is that behavior NORMAL? Not in my nutty world said the NUT.
As of recent I have tried to be objective and provide avenues not yet discussed about Cooper and I still get riddled with the gibberish. How will you feel about the way I have been treated if Weber turns out to be Cooper? Never mind I don't really want to know because regardless of what is put infront of the FBI - they are NOT going to acknowledge that anyone was Cooper.
Cooper was just a ghost and a figment of the public's imagination...he never existed...the highjacking of a 727 on Nov. 24, 1971 never happened. The passengers, the crew and the world imagined this incident - it never happened - it was a hoax. So many lives forever altered by Cooper and this just continues on and on! How many more lives and careers have to be destroyed before our own government acknowledges their part in one of the greatest deceptions ever to take place.
Whoever he was or whatever his reason was - he sure turned a bunch of grown guys in to 13 yrs olds...so maybe he really was a magician.Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber
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QuoteQuoteYour towers are hobby towers. Guy up the road from me has 12 towers - antenna farm. So? What's ur point, Pudknocker? Im talking about commercial grade towers but screw towers - buildings are what matters. Ever seen some of the large grain elevators
in Nebraska? I could put all of your fucking towers in one silo. and you too!
Boys boys boys. Don't make it so damned easy for the Freudians. Tower envy. Stop sparring about whose is bigger, thicker, stronger etc. Sheesh.
I fly in a silo Georger. It has a megawatt of fan power, 3 440 VAC 3 phase motors. It's big and powerful but I didn't build it.
Dubai has us all beat with that monster building, but it's gonna need some financial Viagra.
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"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG
georger 244
QuoteQuoteQuoteYour towers are hobby towers. Guy up the road from me has 12 towers - antenna farm. So? What's ur point, Pudknocker? Im talking about commercial grade towers but screw towers - buildings are what matters. Ever seen some of the large grain elevators
in Nebraska? I could put all of your fucking towers in one silo. and you too!
Boys boys boys. Don't make it so damned easy for the Freudians. Tower envy. Stop sparring about whose is bigger, thicker, stronger etc. Sheesh.
I fly in a silo Georger. It has a megawatt of fan power, 3 440 VAC 3 phase motors. It's big and powerful but I didn't build it.
Dubai has us all beat with that monster building, but it's gonna need some financial Viagra.
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mushrooms for a mushroom.
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Quote
I have installed software which Eliminates all Skyjack71 posts from Dropzone, as I see it.
I will be seeing other posts I care to see, but
if they continue to discuss or reply to Skyjack71
then I will filter those posters also...
up to the point there is nothing left on this thread
to read!
I came here to discuss DB Cooper, not Jo Weber.
The filter I have installed is working beautifully.
Skyjack71 no longer exists on my version of
this thread.
1969912 either.
WOW!
Just when I thought we were getting back on track (with the Larch Mountain tower discussions), we slide into a "my tower is bigger that your tower" discussion.
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Just when I thought we were getting back on track (with the Larch Mountain tower discussions), we slide into a "my tower is bigger that your tower" discussion.
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Weren't those pictures I posted cool?
I thought it was pretty cool the 1940's engineering drawings were online.
Amazing what those guys did with just bolted steel plates and timber.
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