BruceSmith 3 #16601 February 23, 2010 QuoteActually, the saddest part is now I have to do it for real. Feel free to take your part of this discussion somewhere else. So long. You will not be welcomed back.Quote I for one will miss Snowwman, and I think his banishment is improper. His contributions to the investigation of DB Cooper are many, and most of what I have been able to contribute to this forum in the past year has been a direct result of following up leads that Snowwman provided. What behavior of Snowwman's was so intemperate that he must be banned? Was he rude, silly and provocative at times? Yes. So what? He kept the investigation going. I'll take Snowwman's cockamamie-ness over half-truths, half-baked ideas, and Jerry's spelling any day. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #16602 February 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteActually, the saddest part is now I have to do it for real. Feel free to take your part of this discussion somewhere else. So long. You will not be welcomed back.Quote What behavior of Snowwman's was so intemperate that he must be banned? Was he rude, silly and provocative at times? Yes. So what? He kept the investigation going. I'll take Snowwman's cockamamie-ness over half-truths, half-baked ideas, and Jerry's spelling any day. I will comment once only - I will miss the rational Snowmman but not miss the irrational Snowman. The irrational part overwhelmed the rational part, and most of us along with it to the point it was hopeless to even do anything, but go along... You can add demeaning, insulting, entitled, intolerant, domaneering, and other adjectives to your list above.... to the point of a complete dominance on Snowmman's part. Its wasnt so much the quality of his work but his powerful insults and intimidation, and wild claims... He kept "HIS" investigation and MACHINATION going and stifled and demeaned everything else. Snowmman was good at finding people and things and that will be missed. It was from that you got your leads... Snowmman thought more of himself than anyone or anything else here - that includes you. Maybe he had a problem none of the rest of us know about and he had to do what he did - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hangdiver 1 #16603 February 23, 2010 What is that sound I hear? Oh, it's babies crying "waaah"... "I don't like what someone posted on the internet and now it ruined my whole life." 666... "Mans got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16604 February 23, 2010 You know I don't like all the insults but they were pretty easy to ignore when they were just words on a screen. I side with Bruce. Snow made big contributions here and he is an unbelievably clever web searcher. He shouldn't have been given a life sentence for what amounts to simply mouthing off. Sentences are often commuted, a subject Jo knows well. I think the severity of Snow's sentence should be reevaluated by Quade when he has cooled down a bit. It's hard to be merciful when someone is jabbing a stick in your eye, I do understand that. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #16605 February 23, 2010 QuoteYou know I don't like all the insults but they were pretty easy to ignore when they were just words on a screen. I side with Bruce. Snow made big contributions here and he is an unbelievably clever web searcher. He shouldn't have been given a life sentence for what amounts to simply mouthing off. Sentences are often commuted, a subject Jo knows well. I think the severity of Snow's sentence should be reevaluated by Quade when he has cooled down a bit. It's hard to be merciful when someone is jabbing a stick in your eye, I do understand that. 377 You know I don't like all the insults but they were pretty easy to ignore when they were just words on a screen. I side with Bruce. It's hard to be merciful when someone is jabbing a stick in your eye, I do understand that. ???????????????????????????????????????? Your active lobbying based on the flawed rationalisation above has fueled everything. Now that Snoemman has been kicked out this will give YOU and YOURS the opportunity to have your own group just as youve always wanted, for mutual entertainment, minus Snoemman of course. If you lobby long and hard enough maybe you will even get Quade to let Snoemman back. As Ckret said: "we're taking er all down'. But you 377 are raising it back up. You're a gambler. What da hell - That about covers it, I t'ink. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #16606 February 23, 2010 The story you are about to read is true, the names aint changed. Did some historical research on an obscure event from 1957. A Western Airlines (Flt 39) from Las Vegas to LAX which involved a bomb and some skydiving. Initial reports had the plane landing at George AFB with an extra hole on the right side of the fuselage and minus one passenger. That passenger was 62 year old Saul Binstock, a former jeweler/watch repairman from North Hollywood. Upon hearing about Saul being missing, his wife said he wasn't supposed to be on any plane. Guess the explosion part of the story didn't surprise her that much. One passenger noted Saul's extended time locked in the lavatory and was just about to have a stewardess investigate when a 'hell of a blast' ripped through the Convair 240. Just in time Mr Passenger. The plane was tested and dynamite was found as the cause of the 4 by 7 foot hole which Mr Binstock used as a chuteless egress point to where his body was found, sans 3 fingers from his left hand the next day. According to doctors, Saul was in good health and accountants said his finances were good. He was certainly a lucky man as one of his last purchases was for a pair of life insurance policies at the Burbank Airport. Considering what happened, that was money well spent indeed. Perplexing how we were greeted by life insurance vending machines in facilities which boast near perfect safety records. I want to buy some of the stuff for my next cab ride. But it was not to be smooth sailing for Eva Binstock (Saul's wife and insurance beneficiary) in the following years. The insurance company had a suicide exception clause and refused to make payments after her multiple demands for recompense. After all, it is just as likely that Saul discovered the bomb while he was in the lavatory and in the midst of using his watch repair skills to disarm the device, it went off, as it sensed a passenger was about to have a Stewardess investigate. But rather than view Saul as a hero for saving more than a dozen lives, he will be remembered as a person who was willing to obliterate 16 people in order for his spouse to receive $125,000. The world may never know the truth. Be that as it may, by 1960 the hole in the aircraft had grown to 40 square feet, Saul's jump from 7,500 feet to 10,000 and the bereft Mrs Binstock was forced to sue the insurance company for what was rightly her benefits. Hard to believe such sophisticated worms prowled the planet back then. Equally surprising was how the story morphed from one telling to the next in various newspapers which should occupy the neutral territory of information dissemination. I have not discovered the outcome of Mrs Binstock's legal proceedings which have a sort of "Hey, isn't that criminal?" patina that arrives via common sense rather than legal expertise. If I was in her position, I would hope the crew and passengers and their families find the capacity to some day understand how a person could act so irrationally; rather than pursue funds from an act which was designed to leave little evidence and no witnesses. But who was to blame for the explosion on Flight 39? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16607 February 23, 2010 NB 8 and NB 6 on eBay, good photos. NB 8 http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-NB8-Backpack-Parachute_W0QQitemZ310185888601QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838850b59 NB 6 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/US-Navy-NB6-Parachute_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4838850b76QQitemZ310185888630QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear QuoteBut you 377 are raising it back up. You're a gambler. What da hell - Georger, every skydiver is a gambler. When we pull the silver handle (reserve ripcord handle) we are literally betting our lives on a jackpot. I've won that jackpot twice. I mean what are the chances of hitting two jackpots on two pulls? They don't call em "riggers" for nothing. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #16608 February 23, 2010 Quote NB 8 and NB 6 on eBay, good photos. NB 8 http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-NB8-Backpack-Parachute_W0QQitemZ310185888601QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838850b59 NB 6 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/US-Navy-NB6-Parachute_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4838850b76QQitemZ310185888630QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear Quote But you 377 are raising it back up. You're a gambler. What da hell - Georger, every skydiver is a gambler. When we pull the silver handle (reserve ripcord handle) we are literally betting our lives on a jackpot. I've won that jackpot twice. I mean what are the chances of hitting two jackpots on two pulls? They don't call em "riggers" for nothing. 377 Gee I am 8 for 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #16609 February 23, 2010 Saul Binstock didn't go to Vegas Baby! and blend into anonymity as is the assumption today. At least it was much more difficult considering the entire county Las Vegas occupies had around 50,000 people back then. In fact it was well known where Saul was staying in Fabulous Las Vegas. The Hacienda. History has generously recorded the Flamingo as the first destination resort in Vegas but the Hacienda produced a few firsts as well. The Hacienda was like it's Flamingo counterpart several miles from the downtown section where competing casinos could rely upon foot traffic for customers. The Flamingo attracted people with 'Big Name' shows and by flying celebrities in from Hollywood. Even then, people believed if you went where cool people were, you would be cool too. Silly, I'm sticking with the drinking beer makes me appealing to bikini clad ladies ethos. The Hacienda could not afford the Hollywood celebs or big shows so they took a completely different approach. An employee was scouting billboard locations when he noticed people bottlenecked in traffic near Victorville, CA. Yes, in early '57 at some intersection along Route 66, in the Mojave Desert, the first Vegas Coupon Fun Book was born. Rather than compete with the endless billboards in existence, the Hacienda handed out coupons for 'free' or deeply discounted stuff at their motif. Instant success. In short order, the demand for reservations grew and the Hacienda was chartering aircraft to fly guests from Los Angeles to Las Vegas to such a degree that Hacienda passengers outnumbered other airlines passenger counts. Las Vegas has become more accessible, inexpensive and one would be treated to the most modern modes of transportation - an aircraft. What did Saul Binstock give to a ticket agent at McCarran airport? If you guessed a Hacienda Big Winner Super Package Fun Coupon Book, then you would be correct. What generosity and the agent took notice. The agent noticed Binstock turn down a seat on a flight which was chartered by the Hacienda opting to wait a few more hours for the Western Airlines plane to arrive. But why wait so long for another similar aircraft? Shucks, the only difference between the two was one was a charter from an operation with a single aircraft and limited assets versus Western Airlines which operated a vast fleet with hundreds of employees. Nothing to consider here, let's move on. Is the Hacienda responsible as the genesis for the countless Big Shot Exclusive Super Double Triple Thor Knobbed Winner Special Player Coupon Books and therefore Saul selecting Western Flight 39? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16610 February 23, 2010 QuoteHacienda was chartering aircraft to fly guests from Los Angeles to Las Vegas to such a degree that Hacienda passengers outnumbered other airlines passenger counts Back in the late 70s I saw a very complete but mothballed Lockheed Connie (a very rare 049 model) sitting at the Van Nuys CA Airport as I recall. It had Hacienda Hotel logos on it. It was later fixed up for a ferry flight to FLA and it made it OK, but then sadly was scrapped. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16611 February 23, 2010 http://www.onlinenevada.org/Casino_Shuttle_Airlines Wow, the Haceinda became the largest buyer of California Champagne (sic) too. Ahhh, never understimate the power of marketing. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #16612 February 23, 2010 We realize you have a choice when selecting your airline and destination. So why is Vegas such a natural choice for individuals to become nuttier than a squirrel dropping? Why did Saul wait for the return flight to light one off in the lavatory? Was there a sale on explosives in Las Vegas or was there one last chance to recover? Saul had acquired his dynamite days before his flight to Vegas. Why light the stuff on the way home? That would risk detection for a number of reasons. The ticket agent described Saul as nothing unusual. He remembered Binstock because he gave a 'vulgar' answer when asked for his first name. The agent also recalled the flight returning to LAX rather than Burbank (origination flight) to which Binstock gave a convoluted answer about having his car at Burbank and another person would pick him up at LAX. He also recalled Binstock had no luggage or any type of carry on. Other than telling the agent to get 'phuqed', returning to the wrong airport and having no luggage, Saul Binstock was completely forgettable. What must one do to be remembered? I'm sure the same can be said about how a little 'ole watchmaker managed to acquire the dynamite in the first place. Regardless the cover story, I'll bet it was as logical as the dialogue between Saul and the ticket agent. In fact, the report suggests the explosion was of such ferocity that the Co-pilot described it as a double-barrel shotgun going off just behind his head. The crew went on to speculate that it may have woke most (just most) of the slumbering passengers. No Officer, there was no change in his behavior the weeks leading to the flight. There is never a report about how the guy was such a 'terminal jerk off' that abhorrent behavior would be hard to spot in the first place. Why is this? Yet we are advised to keep an eye out for any strange actions from people who occupy our collective orbits. It would seem these people who were always so even keeled and never getting upset about anything, would evolve into future prime suspects for no other reason than; 'never getting upset' while storing all this potential rage for one big event. I guess Saul was his usual gregarious, pull my finger, self while he planned and acquired explosives. What a kidder. Is being tolerant of, or oblivious to social conduct which far exceeds public flatulence to blame? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16613 February 23, 2010 A Hacienda Lockheed 049 Connie drawing (see pg 16) : http://www.scribd.com/Aircraft-Profile-120-Lockheed-Constellation/d/4662707 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #16614 February 23, 2010 377, I have never seen the Hacienda paint scheme before. What an amazing piece of history and personal recall on your part. One of the few L-1011's still in service in the USA is owned by the Sands Corporation for employees and 'guests'. I can't think of a reason for a casino to haul a large group of employees around that can't be better handled by commercial carriers. So that just leaves the guests and they must be the Mondo-wealthy types from a conservative country. I can only imagine what sort of Stratospheric Circus Freak Show must be going on in that airframe. What goes on in casino aircraft.....stays in casino aircraft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16615 February 23, 2010 Jo and Galen Cook have been threatening to publish blockbuster info, but so far nothing. Sheridan Peterson reads this forum, but has not responded to the latest invitations to discuss knowledge about the jumpability of 727s. Tom and the Science Team labor in secrecy. Stuff about pollen on the tie was mentioned then faded away. So many unanswered questions. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16616 February 23, 2010 Little has been published about members of the public who went out in the woods to look for Cooper right after the crime made the news. If they found Cooper dead theyd probably have just taken whatever cash he had on him and just leave the body. No need to conceal it. What if they found him alive, with a lot of the money, but injured? Would a treasure hunter kill him and hide the body and rig? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16617 February 23, 2010 http://www.coinnews.net/wp-content/images/pr/HeritageAuctions/DB-Cooper-Series-1963A-20-Dollar-Bill.jpg Why do the "horizontal" edges of the degraded bill stay fairly straight but the "vertical" edges take a rounded shape? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16618 February 23, 2010 More photos of money and also of tie. http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/23435 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16619 February 23, 2010 http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS351US351&q=db+cooper+money&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=EWmES-KmJIGAsgP1tfzFDw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCEQsAQwAw More Tena Bar money pix. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16620 February 23, 2010 Tom fishing for clues at Tena Bar http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://blog.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/2009/03/kaye.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/amateur_detectives_fish_for_db.html&usg=__Tv35hM6bQeo1T0GFqPn4Y-ctW_Q=&h=669&w=1024&sz=292&hl=en&start=17&sig2=kG0CZv1D2NkmqQfz5noUCA&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=6n8nwe95r5WMUM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddb%2Bcooper%2Bmoney%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS351US351%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=GGmES86lJJj-swO7872sDw 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16621 February 23, 2010 The ultimate clue, Dan Cooper comic book http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.munciefreepress.com/files/u1/cooperposter300.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.munciefreepress.com/node/20063&usg=__XNyLlyFv_BRkscti73bNkxldbhU=&h=394&w=300&sz=205&hl=en&start=79&sig2=0SvTvmJv3aygVIALpGA94A&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=2qgRGd8F6rX_AM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=94&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddb%2Bcooper%2Bmoney%26start%3D63%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS351US351%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=BWuES5S8LYO-swOa4e2eDw 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16622 February 24, 2010 Some of the 20 dollar bills found at Tena bar did not match the list of SNs recorded by the FBI: http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=5253 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16623 February 24, 2010 DB Cooper in the Rose Parade http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_leDUrlCrBik/Si3k1A_5WsI/AAAAAAAAE-8/PU7L_mRYXTo/s1600-h/IMG_5228.JPG 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16624 February 24, 2010 OK, I've set it up so someone else can have post 666. How's that for playing nice? Do unto others etc. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #16625 February 24, 2010 Quote OK, I've set it up so someone else can have post 666. How's that for playing nice? 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georger 244 #16602 February 23, 2010 QuoteQuoteActually, the saddest part is now I have to do it for real. Feel free to take your part of this discussion somewhere else. So long. You will not be welcomed back.Quote What behavior of Snowwman's was so intemperate that he must be banned? Was he rude, silly and provocative at times? Yes. So what? He kept the investigation going. I'll take Snowwman's cockamamie-ness over half-truths, half-baked ideas, and Jerry's spelling any day. I will comment once only - I will miss the rational Snowmman but not miss the irrational Snowman. The irrational part overwhelmed the rational part, and most of us along with it to the point it was hopeless to even do anything, but go along... You can add demeaning, insulting, entitled, intolerant, domaneering, and other adjectives to your list above.... to the point of a complete dominance on Snowmman's part. Its wasnt so much the quality of his work but his powerful insults and intimidation, and wild claims... He kept "HIS" investigation and MACHINATION going and stifled and demeaned everything else. Snowmman was good at finding people and things and that will be missed. It was from that you got your leads... Snowmman thought more of himself than anyone or anything else here - that includes you. Maybe he had a problem none of the rest of us know about and he had to do what he did - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hangdiver 1 #16603 February 23, 2010 What is that sound I hear? Oh, it's babies crying "waaah"... "I don't like what someone posted on the internet and now it ruined my whole life." 666... "Mans got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16604 February 23, 2010 You know I don't like all the insults but they were pretty easy to ignore when they were just words on a screen. I side with Bruce. Snow made big contributions here and he is an unbelievably clever web searcher. He shouldn't have been given a life sentence for what amounts to simply mouthing off. Sentences are often commuted, a subject Jo knows well. I think the severity of Snow's sentence should be reevaluated by Quade when he has cooled down a bit. It's hard to be merciful when someone is jabbing a stick in your eye, I do understand that. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites georger 244 #16605 February 23, 2010 QuoteYou know I don't like all the insults but they were pretty easy to ignore when they were just words on a screen. I side with Bruce. Snow made big contributions here and he is an unbelievably clever web searcher. He shouldn't have been given a life sentence for what amounts to simply mouthing off. Sentences are often commuted, a subject Jo knows well. I think the severity of Snow's sentence should be reevaluated by Quade when he has cooled down a bit. It's hard to be merciful when someone is jabbing a stick in your eye, I do understand that. 377 You know I don't like all the insults but they were pretty easy to ignore when they were just words on a screen. I side with Bruce. It's hard to be merciful when someone is jabbing a stick in your eye, I do understand that. ???????????????????????????????????????? Your active lobbying based on the flawed rationalisation above has fueled everything. Now that Snoemman has been kicked out this will give YOU and YOURS the opportunity to have your own group just as youve always wanted, for mutual entertainment, minus Snoemman of course. If you lobby long and hard enough maybe you will even get Quade to let Snoemman back. As Ckret said: "we're taking er all down'. But you 377 are raising it back up. You're a gambler. What da hell - That about covers it, I t'ink. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #16606 February 23, 2010 The story you are about to read is true, the names aint changed. Did some historical research on an obscure event from 1957. A Western Airlines (Flt 39) from Las Vegas to LAX which involved a bomb and some skydiving. Initial reports had the plane landing at George AFB with an extra hole on the right side of the fuselage and minus one passenger. That passenger was 62 year old Saul Binstock, a former jeweler/watch repairman from North Hollywood. Upon hearing about Saul being missing, his wife said he wasn't supposed to be on any plane. Guess the explosion part of the story didn't surprise her that much. One passenger noted Saul's extended time locked in the lavatory and was just about to have a stewardess investigate when a 'hell of a blast' ripped through the Convair 240. Just in time Mr Passenger. The plane was tested and dynamite was found as the cause of the 4 by 7 foot hole which Mr Binstock used as a chuteless egress point to where his body was found, sans 3 fingers from his left hand the next day. According to doctors, Saul was in good health and accountants said his finances were good. He was certainly a lucky man as one of his last purchases was for a pair of life insurance policies at the Burbank Airport. Considering what happened, that was money well spent indeed. Perplexing how we were greeted by life insurance vending machines in facilities which boast near perfect safety records. I want to buy some of the stuff for my next cab ride. But it was not to be smooth sailing for Eva Binstock (Saul's wife and insurance beneficiary) in the following years. The insurance company had a suicide exception clause and refused to make payments after her multiple demands for recompense. After all, it is just as likely that Saul discovered the bomb while he was in the lavatory and in the midst of using his watch repair skills to disarm the device, it went off, as it sensed a passenger was about to have a Stewardess investigate. But rather than view Saul as a hero for saving more than a dozen lives, he will be remembered as a person who was willing to obliterate 16 people in order for his spouse to receive $125,000. The world may never know the truth. Be that as it may, by 1960 the hole in the aircraft had grown to 40 square feet, Saul's jump from 7,500 feet to 10,000 and the bereft Mrs Binstock was forced to sue the insurance company for what was rightly her benefits. Hard to believe such sophisticated worms prowled the planet back then. Equally surprising was how the story morphed from one telling to the next in various newspapers which should occupy the neutral territory of information dissemination. I have not discovered the outcome of Mrs Binstock's legal proceedings which have a sort of "Hey, isn't that criminal?" patina that arrives via common sense rather than legal expertise. If I was in her position, I would hope the crew and passengers and their families find the capacity to some day understand how a person could act so irrationally; rather than pursue funds from an act which was designed to leave little evidence and no witnesses. But who was to blame for the explosion on Flight 39? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16607 February 23, 2010 NB 8 and NB 6 on eBay, good photos. NB 8 http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-NB8-Backpack-Parachute_W0QQitemZ310185888601QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838850b59 NB 6 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/US-Navy-NB6-Parachute_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4838850b76QQitemZ310185888630QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear QuoteBut you 377 are raising it back up. You're a gambler. What da hell - Georger, every skydiver is a gambler. When we pull the silver handle (reserve ripcord handle) we are literally betting our lives on a jackpot. I've won that jackpot twice. I mean what are the chances of hitting two jackpots on two pulls? They don't call em "riggers" for nothing. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #16608 February 23, 2010 Quote NB 8 and NB 6 on eBay, good photos. NB 8 http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-NB8-Backpack-Parachute_W0QQitemZ310185888601QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838850b59 NB 6 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/US-Navy-NB6-Parachute_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4838850b76QQitemZ310185888630QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear Quote But you 377 are raising it back up. You're a gambler. What da hell - Georger, every skydiver is a gambler. When we pull the silver handle (reserve ripcord handle) we are literally betting our lives on a jackpot. I've won that jackpot twice. I mean what are the chances of hitting two jackpots on two pulls? They don't call em "riggers" for nothing. 377 Gee I am 8 for 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #16609 February 23, 2010 Saul Binstock didn't go to Vegas Baby! and blend into anonymity as is the assumption today. At least it was much more difficult considering the entire county Las Vegas occupies had around 50,000 people back then. In fact it was well known where Saul was staying in Fabulous Las Vegas. The Hacienda. History has generously recorded the Flamingo as the first destination resort in Vegas but the Hacienda produced a few firsts as well. The Hacienda was like it's Flamingo counterpart several miles from the downtown section where competing casinos could rely upon foot traffic for customers. The Flamingo attracted people with 'Big Name' shows and by flying celebrities in from Hollywood. Even then, people believed if you went where cool people were, you would be cool too. Silly, I'm sticking with the drinking beer makes me appealing to bikini clad ladies ethos. The Hacienda could not afford the Hollywood celebs or big shows so they took a completely different approach. An employee was scouting billboard locations when he noticed people bottlenecked in traffic near Victorville, CA. Yes, in early '57 at some intersection along Route 66, in the Mojave Desert, the first Vegas Coupon Fun Book was born. Rather than compete with the endless billboards in existence, the Hacienda handed out coupons for 'free' or deeply discounted stuff at their motif. Instant success. In short order, the demand for reservations grew and the Hacienda was chartering aircraft to fly guests from Los Angeles to Las Vegas to such a degree that Hacienda passengers outnumbered other airlines passenger counts. Las Vegas has become more accessible, inexpensive and one would be treated to the most modern modes of transportation - an aircraft. What did Saul Binstock give to a ticket agent at McCarran airport? If you guessed a Hacienda Big Winner Super Package Fun Coupon Book, then you would be correct. What generosity and the agent took notice. The agent noticed Binstock turn down a seat on a flight which was chartered by the Hacienda opting to wait a few more hours for the Western Airlines plane to arrive. But why wait so long for another similar aircraft? Shucks, the only difference between the two was one was a charter from an operation with a single aircraft and limited assets versus Western Airlines which operated a vast fleet with hundreds of employees. Nothing to consider here, let's move on. Is the Hacienda responsible as the genesis for the countless Big Shot Exclusive Super Double Triple Thor Knobbed Winner Special Player Coupon Books and therefore Saul selecting Western Flight 39? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16610 February 23, 2010 QuoteHacienda was chartering aircraft to fly guests from Los Angeles to Las Vegas to such a degree that Hacienda passengers outnumbered other airlines passenger counts Back in the late 70s I saw a very complete but mothballed Lockheed Connie (a very rare 049 model) sitting at the Van Nuys CA Airport as I recall. It had Hacienda Hotel logos on it. It was later fixed up for a ferry flight to FLA and it made it OK, but then sadly was scrapped. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16611 February 23, 2010 http://www.onlinenevada.org/Casino_Shuttle_Airlines Wow, the Haceinda became the largest buyer of California Champagne (sic) too. Ahhh, never understimate the power of marketing. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #16612 February 23, 2010 We realize you have a choice when selecting your airline and destination. So why is Vegas such a natural choice for individuals to become nuttier than a squirrel dropping? Why did Saul wait for the return flight to light one off in the lavatory? Was there a sale on explosives in Las Vegas or was there one last chance to recover? Saul had acquired his dynamite days before his flight to Vegas. Why light the stuff on the way home? That would risk detection for a number of reasons. The ticket agent described Saul as nothing unusual. He remembered Binstock because he gave a 'vulgar' answer when asked for his first name. The agent also recalled the flight returning to LAX rather than Burbank (origination flight) to which Binstock gave a convoluted answer about having his car at Burbank and another person would pick him up at LAX. He also recalled Binstock had no luggage or any type of carry on. Other than telling the agent to get 'phuqed', returning to the wrong airport and having no luggage, Saul Binstock was completely forgettable. What must one do to be remembered? I'm sure the same can be said about how a little 'ole watchmaker managed to acquire the dynamite in the first place. Regardless the cover story, I'll bet it was as logical as the dialogue between Saul and the ticket agent. In fact, the report suggests the explosion was of such ferocity that the Co-pilot described it as a double-barrel shotgun going off just behind his head. The crew went on to speculate that it may have woke most (just most) of the slumbering passengers. No Officer, there was no change in his behavior the weeks leading to the flight. There is never a report about how the guy was such a 'terminal jerk off' that abhorrent behavior would be hard to spot in the first place. Why is this? Yet we are advised to keep an eye out for any strange actions from people who occupy our collective orbits. It would seem these people who were always so even keeled and never getting upset about anything, would evolve into future prime suspects for no other reason than; 'never getting upset' while storing all this potential rage for one big event. I guess Saul was his usual gregarious, pull my finger, self while he planned and acquired explosives. What a kidder. Is being tolerant of, or oblivious to social conduct which far exceeds public flatulence to blame? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16613 February 23, 2010 A Hacienda Lockheed 049 Connie drawing (see pg 16) : http://www.scribd.com/Aircraft-Profile-120-Lockheed-Constellation/d/4662707 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Farflung 0 #16614 February 23, 2010 377, I have never seen the Hacienda paint scheme before. What an amazing piece of history and personal recall on your part. One of the few L-1011's still in service in the USA is owned by the Sands Corporation for employees and 'guests'. I can't think of a reason for a casino to haul a large group of employees around that can't be better handled by commercial carriers. So that just leaves the guests and they must be the Mondo-wealthy types from a conservative country. I can only imagine what sort of Stratospheric Circus Freak Show must be going on in that airframe. What goes on in casino aircraft.....stays in casino aircraft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16615 February 23, 2010 Jo and Galen Cook have been threatening to publish blockbuster info, but so far nothing. Sheridan Peterson reads this forum, but has not responded to the latest invitations to discuss knowledge about the jumpability of 727s. Tom and the Science Team labor in secrecy. Stuff about pollen on the tie was mentioned then faded away. So many unanswered questions. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16616 February 23, 2010 Little has been published about members of the public who went out in the woods to look for Cooper right after the crime made the news. If they found Cooper dead theyd probably have just taken whatever cash he had on him and just leave the body. No need to conceal it. What if they found him alive, with a lot of the money, but injured? Would a treasure hunter kill him and hide the body and rig? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16617 February 23, 2010 http://www.coinnews.net/wp-content/images/pr/HeritageAuctions/DB-Cooper-Series-1963A-20-Dollar-Bill.jpg Why do the "horizontal" edges of the degraded bill stay fairly straight but the "vertical" edges take a rounded shape? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16618 February 23, 2010 More photos of money and also of tie. http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/23435 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16619 February 23, 2010 http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS351US351&q=db+cooper+money&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=EWmES-KmJIGAsgP1tfzFDw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCEQsAQwAw More Tena Bar money pix. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16620 February 23, 2010 Tom fishing for clues at Tena Bar http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://blog.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/2009/03/kaye.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/amateur_detectives_fish_for_db.html&usg=__Tv35hM6bQeo1T0GFqPn4Y-ctW_Q=&h=669&w=1024&sz=292&hl=en&start=17&sig2=kG0CZv1D2NkmqQfz5noUCA&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=6n8nwe95r5WMUM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddb%2Bcooper%2Bmoney%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS351US351%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=GGmES86lJJj-swO7872sDw 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16621 February 23, 2010 The ultimate clue, Dan Cooper comic book http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.munciefreepress.com/files/u1/cooperposter300.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.munciefreepress.com/node/20063&usg=__XNyLlyFv_BRkscti73bNkxldbhU=&h=394&w=300&sz=205&hl=en&start=79&sig2=0SvTvmJv3aygVIALpGA94A&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=2qgRGd8F6rX_AM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=94&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddb%2Bcooper%2Bmoney%26start%3D63%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS351US351%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=BWuES5S8LYO-swOa4e2eDw 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16622 February 24, 2010 Some of the 20 dollar bills found at Tena bar did not match the list of SNs recorded by the FBI: http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=5253 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16623 February 24, 2010 DB Cooper in the Rose Parade http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_leDUrlCrBik/Si3k1A_5WsI/AAAAAAAAE-8/PU7L_mRYXTo/s1600-h/IMG_5228.JPG 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites 377 22 #16624 February 24, 2010 OK, I've set it up so someone else can have post 666. How's that for playing nice? Do unto others etc. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #16625 February 24, 2010 Quote OK, I've set it up so someone else can have post 666. How's that for playing nice? 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hangdiver 1 #16603 February 23, 2010 What is that sound I hear? Oh, it's babies crying "waaah"... "I don't like what someone posted on the internet and now it ruined my whole life." 666... "Mans got to know his limitations" Harry Callahan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16604 February 23, 2010 You know I don't like all the insults but they were pretty easy to ignore when they were just words on a screen. I side with Bruce. Snow made big contributions here and he is an unbelievably clever web searcher. He shouldn't have been given a life sentence for what amounts to simply mouthing off. Sentences are often commuted, a subject Jo knows well. I think the severity of Snow's sentence should be reevaluated by Quade when he has cooled down a bit. It's hard to be merciful when someone is jabbing a stick in your eye, I do understand that. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
georger 244 #16605 February 23, 2010 QuoteYou know I don't like all the insults but they were pretty easy to ignore when they were just words on a screen. I side with Bruce. Snow made big contributions here and he is an unbelievably clever web searcher. He shouldn't have been given a life sentence for what amounts to simply mouthing off. Sentences are often commuted, a subject Jo knows well. I think the severity of Snow's sentence should be reevaluated by Quade when he has cooled down a bit. It's hard to be merciful when someone is jabbing a stick in your eye, I do understand that. 377 You know I don't like all the insults but they were pretty easy to ignore when they were just words on a screen. I side with Bruce. It's hard to be merciful when someone is jabbing a stick in your eye, I do understand that. ???????????????????????????????????????? Your active lobbying based on the flawed rationalisation above has fueled everything. Now that Snoemman has been kicked out this will give YOU and YOURS the opportunity to have your own group just as youve always wanted, for mutual entertainment, minus Snoemman of course. If you lobby long and hard enough maybe you will even get Quade to let Snoemman back. As Ckret said: "we're taking er all down'. But you 377 are raising it back up. You're a gambler. What da hell - That about covers it, I t'ink. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #16606 February 23, 2010 The story you are about to read is true, the names aint changed. Did some historical research on an obscure event from 1957. A Western Airlines (Flt 39) from Las Vegas to LAX which involved a bomb and some skydiving. Initial reports had the plane landing at George AFB with an extra hole on the right side of the fuselage and minus one passenger. That passenger was 62 year old Saul Binstock, a former jeweler/watch repairman from North Hollywood. Upon hearing about Saul being missing, his wife said he wasn't supposed to be on any plane. Guess the explosion part of the story didn't surprise her that much. One passenger noted Saul's extended time locked in the lavatory and was just about to have a stewardess investigate when a 'hell of a blast' ripped through the Convair 240. Just in time Mr Passenger. The plane was tested and dynamite was found as the cause of the 4 by 7 foot hole which Mr Binstock used as a chuteless egress point to where his body was found, sans 3 fingers from his left hand the next day. According to doctors, Saul was in good health and accountants said his finances were good. He was certainly a lucky man as one of his last purchases was for a pair of life insurance policies at the Burbank Airport. Considering what happened, that was money well spent indeed. Perplexing how we were greeted by life insurance vending machines in facilities which boast near perfect safety records. I want to buy some of the stuff for my next cab ride. But it was not to be smooth sailing for Eva Binstock (Saul's wife and insurance beneficiary) in the following years. The insurance company had a suicide exception clause and refused to make payments after her multiple demands for recompense. After all, it is just as likely that Saul discovered the bomb while he was in the lavatory and in the midst of using his watch repair skills to disarm the device, it went off, as it sensed a passenger was about to have a Stewardess investigate. But rather than view Saul as a hero for saving more than a dozen lives, he will be remembered as a person who was willing to obliterate 16 people in order for his spouse to receive $125,000. The world may never know the truth. Be that as it may, by 1960 the hole in the aircraft had grown to 40 square feet, Saul's jump from 7,500 feet to 10,000 and the bereft Mrs Binstock was forced to sue the insurance company for what was rightly her benefits. Hard to believe such sophisticated worms prowled the planet back then. Equally surprising was how the story morphed from one telling to the next in various newspapers which should occupy the neutral territory of information dissemination. I have not discovered the outcome of Mrs Binstock's legal proceedings which have a sort of "Hey, isn't that criminal?" patina that arrives via common sense rather than legal expertise. If I was in her position, I would hope the crew and passengers and their families find the capacity to some day understand how a person could act so irrationally; rather than pursue funds from an act which was designed to leave little evidence and no witnesses. But who was to blame for the explosion on Flight 39? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16607 February 23, 2010 NB 8 and NB 6 on eBay, good photos. NB 8 http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-NB8-Backpack-Parachute_W0QQitemZ310185888601QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838850b59 NB 6 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/US-Navy-NB6-Parachute_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4838850b76QQitemZ310185888630QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear QuoteBut you 377 are raising it back up. You're a gambler. What da hell - Georger, every skydiver is a gambler. When we pull the silver handle (reserve ripcord handle) we are literally betting our lives on a jackpot. I've won that jackpot twice. I mean what are the chances of hitting two jackpots on two pulls? They don't call em "riggers" for nothing. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16608 February 23, 2010 Quote NB 8 and NB 6 on eBay, good photos. NB 8 http://cgi.ebay.com/Pioneer-NB8-Backpack-Parachute_W0QQitemZ310185888601QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4838850b59 NB 6 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/US-Navy-NB6-Parachute_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4838850b76QQitemZ310185888630QQptZMotorsQ5fAviationQ5fPartsQ5fGear Quote But you 377 are raising it back up. You're a gambler. What da hell - Georger, every skydiver is a gambler. When we pull the silver handle (reserve ripcord handle) we are literally betting our lives on a jackpot. I've won that jackpot twice. I mean what are the chances of hitting two jackpots on two pulls? They don't call em "riggers" for nothing. 377 Gee I am 8 for 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #16609 February 23, 2010 Saul Binstock didn't go to Vegas Baby! and blend into anonymity as is the assumption today. At least it was much more difficult considering the entire county Las Vegas occupies had around 50,000 people back then. In fact it was well known where Saul was staying in Fabulous Las Vegas. The Hacienda. History has generously recorded the Flamingo as the first destination resort in Vegas but the Hacienda produced a few firsts as well. The Hacienda was like it's Flamingo counterpart several miles from the downtown section where competing casinos could rely upon foot traffic for customers. The Flamingo attracted people with 'Big Name' shows and by flying celebrities in from Hollywood. Even then, people believed if you went where cool people were, you would be cool too. Silly, I'm sticking with the drinking beer makes me appealing to bikini clad ladies ethos. The Hacienda could not afford the Hollywood celebs or big shows so they took a completely different approach. An employee was scouting billboard locations when he noticed people bottlenecked in traffic near Victorville, CA. Yes, in early '57 at some intersection along Route 66, in the Mojave Desert, the first Vegas Coupon Fun Book was born. Rather than compete with the endless billboards in existence, the Hacienda handed out coupons for 'free' or deeply discounted stuff at their motif. Instant success. In short order, the demand for reservations grew and the Hacienda was chartering aircraft to fly guests from Los Angeles to Las Vegas to such a degree that Hacienda passengers outnumbered other airlines passenger counts. Las Vegas has become more accessible, inexpensive and one would be treated to the most modern modes of transportation - an aircraft. What did Saul Binstock give to a ticket agent at McCarran airport? If you guessed a Hacienda Big Winner Super Package Fun Coupon Book, then you would be correct. What generosity and the agent took notice. The agent noticed Binstock turn down a seat on a flight which was chartered by the Hacienda opting to wait a few more hours for the Western Airlines plane to arrive. But why wait so long for another similar aircraft? Shucks, the only difference between the two was one was a charter from an operation with a single aircraft and limited assets versus Western Airlines which operated a vast fleet with hundreds of employees. Nothing to consider here, let's move on. Is the Hacienda responsible as the genesis for the countless Big Shot Exclusive Super Double Triple Thor Knobbed Winner Special Player Coupon Books and therefore Saul selecting Western Flight 39? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16610 February 23, 2010 QuoteHacienda was chartering aircraft to fly guests from Los Angeles to Las Vegas to such a degree that Hacienda passengers outnumbered other airlines passenger counts Back in the late 70s I saw a very complete but mothballed Lockheed Connie (a very rare 049 model) sitting at the Van Nuys CA Airport as I recall. It had Hacienda Hotel logos on it. It was later fixed up for a ferry flight to FLA and it made it OK, but then sadly was scrapped. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16611 February 23, 2010 http://www.onlinenevada.org/Casino_Shuttle_Airlines Wow, the Haceinda became the largest buyer of California Champagne (sic) too. Ahhh, never understimate the power of marketing. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #16612 February 23, 2010 We realize you have a choice when selecting your airline and destination. So why is Vegas such a natural choice for individuals to become nuttier than a squirrel dropping? Why did Saul wait for the return flight to light one off in the lavatory? Was there a sale on explosives in Las Vegas or was there one last chance to recover? Saul had acquired his dynamite days before his flight to Vegas. Why light the stuff on the way home? That would risk detection for a number of reasons. The ticket agent described Saul as nothing unusual. He remembered Binstock because he gave a 'vulgar' answer when asked for his first name. The agent also recalled the flight returning to LAX rather than Burbank (origination flight) to which Binstock gave a convoluted answer about having his car at Burbank and another person would pick him up at LAX. He also recalled Binstock had no luggage or any type of carry on. Other than telling the agent to get 'phuqed', returning to the wrong airport and having no luggage, Saul Binstock was completely forgettable. What must one do to be remembered? I'm sure the same can be said about how a little 'ole watchmaker managed to acquire the dynamite in the first place. Regardless the cover story, I'll bet it was as logical as the dialogue between Saul and the ticket agent. In fact, the report suggests the explosion was of such ferocity that the Co-pilot described it as a double-barrel shotgun going off just behind his head. The crew went on to speculate that it may have woke most (just most) of the slumbering passengers. No Officer, there was no change in his behavior the weeks leading to the flight. There is never a report about how the guy was such a 'terminal jerk off' that abhorrent behavior would be hard to spot in the first place. Why is this? Yet we are advised to keep an eye out for any strange actions from people who occupy our collective orbits. It would seem these people who were always so even keeled and never getting upset about anything, would evolve into future prime suspects for no other reason than; 'never getting upset' while storing all this potential rage for one big event. I guess Saul was his usual gregarious, pull my finger, self while he planned and acquired explosives. What a kidder. Is being tolerant of, or oblivious to social conduct which far exceeds public flatulence to blame? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16613 February 23, 2010 A Hacienda Lockheed 049 Connie drawing (see pg 16) : http://www.scribd.com/Aircraft-Profile-120-Lockheed-Constellation/d/4662707 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Farflung 0 #16614 February 23, 2010 377, I have never seen the Hacienda paint scheme before. What an amazing piece of history and personal recall on your part. One of the few L-1011's still in service in the USA is owned by the Sands Corporation for employees and 'guests'. I can't think of a reason for a casino to haul a large group of employees around that can't be better handled by commercial carriers. So that just leaves the guests and they must be the Mondo-wealthy types from a conservative country. I can only imagine what sort of Stratospheric Circus Freak Show must be going on in that airframe. What goes on in casino aircraft.....stays in casino aircraft. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16615 February 23, 2010 Jo and Galen Cook have been threatening to publish blockbuster info, but so far nothing. Sheridan Peterson reads this forum, but has not responded to the latest invitations to discuss knowledge about the jumpability of 727s. Tom and the Science Team labor in secrecy. Stuff about pollen on the tie was mentioned then faded away. So many unanswered questions. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16616 February 23, 2010 Little has been published about members of the public who went out in the woods to look for Cooper right after the crime made the news. If they found Cooper dead theyd probably have just taken whatever cash he had on him and just leave the body. No need to conceal it. What if they found him alive, with a lot of the money, but injured? Would a treasure hunter kill him and hide the body and rig? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16617 February 23, 2010 http://www.coinnews.net/wp-content/images/pr/HeritageAuctions/DB-Cooper-Series-1963A-20-Dollar-Bill.jpg Why do the "horizontal" edges of the degraded bill stay fairly straight but the "vertical" edges take a rounded shape? 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16618 February 23, 2010 More photos of money and also of tie. http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/23435 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16619 February 23, 2010 http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS351US351&q=db+cooper+money&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=EWmES-KmJIGAsgP1tfzFDw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCEQsAQwAw More Tena Bar money pix. 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16620 February 23, 2010 Tom fishing for clues at Tena Bar http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://blog.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/2009/03/kaye.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/amateur_detectives_fish_for_db.html&usg=__Tv35hM6bQeo1T0GFqPn4Y-ctW_Q=&h=669&w=1024&sz=292&hl=en&start=17&sig2=kG0CZv1D2NkmqQfz5noUCA&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=6n8nwe95r5WMUM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddb%2Bcooper%2Bmoney%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS351US351%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=GGmES86lJJj-swO7872sDw 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16621 February 23, 2010 The ultimate clue, Dan Cooper comic book http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.munciefreepress.com/files/u1/cooperposter300.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.munciefreepress.com/node/20063&usg=__XNyLlyFv_BRkscti73bNkxldbhU=&h=394&w=300&sz=205&hl=en&start=79&sig2=0SvTvmJv3aygVIALpGA94A&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=2qgRGd8F6rX_AM:&tbnh=124&tbnw=94&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddb%2Bcooper%2Bmoney%26start%3D63%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26rlz%3D1T4GGLL_enUS351US351%26ndsp%3D21%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=BWuES5S8LYO-swOa4e2eDw 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16622 February 24, 2010 Some of the 20 dollar bills found at Tena bar did not match the list of SNs recorded by the FBI: http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article_view.chtml?artid=5253 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16623 February 24, 2010 DB Cooper in the Rose Parade http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_leDUrlCrBik/Si3k1A_5WsI/AAAAAAAAE-8/PU7L_mRYXTo/s1600-h/IMG_5228.JPG 3772018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
377 22 #16624 February 24, 2010 OK, I've set it up so someone else can have post 666. How's that for playing nice? Do unto others etc. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16625 February 24, 2010 Quote OK, I've set it up so someone else can have post 666. How's that for playing nice? Do unto others etc. 377 Uh not quite Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
