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QuoteAmazon. You are still avoiding the question.Validate your claims.To make it simple Put Up or Shut up.You know i'm right. Just tell me where you took your training and what year.I will be glad to verify it.Then you can be creditable.I have had to prove all my claim's . I've done this. Your Turn. Jerry
Where did you get your jump training.. I have not seen squat other than claims
Told you first canopy rides were at Homestead AFB Aug 1972... that weekend I was at the DZ with one of the instructors doing the FJC with Tom Manning. Did a couple static lines that day on student gear.
Did Benning a couple years later as a SGT three long weeks training to jump outta planes on the dope rope..... and putting up with morons...that needed all that structure to be able to jump and not kill everyone around them.
Now.. when are you going to man up and come jump with us.
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It's funny to see Amazon and Jerry questioning each other to see if the other really is a trained parachutist. I have talked to a few pretenders and they are soooo easy to spot. Jerry and Amazon are (to me) clearly experienced jumpers.
Take a good read about Steve Faucet's crash discovery. Just like Jerry said, scavenging animals had moved bones and even his wallet contents but most parts were found and none very far from the impact area.
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Take a good read about Steve Faucet's crash discovery. Just like Jerry said, scavenging animals had moved bones and even his wallet contents but most parts were found and none very far from the impact area.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
[replyQuoteBruce the fazio'z were not denied access to there property. They were employed by the FBI to dig on the site with there back hoe. further more there are to different stories by the brothers each remember's the story a little diferently. Also the time factor of over 20yrs change's the story some what. Now I would recommend that each of you contact the fazio's and get the story directly from them. They enjoy talking about it.Jerry
Jerry, I have spoken with Richard and Al Fazio several times at Tina's Beach. Al directly told me about coming back from a cattle auction and being denied entrance to his property.
Further, he did not seem to appreciate the fact that since the feds were on the beach before him his opinion on wash-ups and tide line depostion of the money is compromised. At best, he came upon a evidence retrieval operation already underway, and didn't see the original dispersal pattern.
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QuoteIt's funny to see Amazon and Jerry questioning each other to see if the other really is a trained parachutist. I have talked to a few pretenders and they are soooo easy to spot. Jerry and Amazon are (to me) clearly experienced jumpers.
Take a good read about Steve Faucet's crash discovery. Just like Jerry said, scavenging animals had moved bones and even his wallet contents but most parts were found and none very far from the impact area.
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I have not seen any claims of his about actually being jump qualified...let alone any operation jumps... and surely nothing more than dope rope if even that.
And driving around for hours in his LARGE MANLY 4x4 searching the area... sorry but that is a big NOPE not gonna happen... already searched all over those woods for sasquatch with some morons....I do not need even one minute more with the same mindset looking for the ever elusive Cooper...cause he aint there.
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Take a good read about Steve Faucet's crash discovery. Just like Jerry said, scavenging animals had moved bones and even his wallet contents but most parts were found and none very far from the impact area.
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I followed the Faucet case as close as I could so
have to disagree a bit. As I recall the few human remains left were distributed at a greater distance
than expected, making it hard to find anything..
animals had done a real job, and the plane was
broken down into small pieces making it difficult
to spot from the air. Several people had already
done a ground search over the same area and
found nothing ... then went back later and did a
slow methodical search, then found small pieces
of the plane and two peieces of human remains
at the plane (two bones), then it took a long search
to find the few remaininghuman remains (bones
which had been carried a long distance)? I thought
about the Cooper case when following this story -
Maybe you know something I dont?
A pleasant diversion from 70,000 feet. Perhaps y'all have seen this video, but I found it enchanting.
http://www.wimp.com/breathtakingfootage/
http://www.wimp.com/breathtakingfootage/
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Georger may know more than I do about Fosset's crash site. I thought no bones were found more than about 200 yards from structural wreckage.
Amazon, do tell us how YOU of all people got roped into a Sasquatch hunt???
I'd say show me a body, skull or other verifiable body parts from a dead one then we'll look for a live one. How can people believe that big ape like animals live among us yet NO remains have ever been found.
As I recall Jerry is HALO qualified and also has made sport FF jumps.
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Amazon, do tell us how YOU of all people got roped into a Sasquatch hunt???
I'd say show me a body, skull or other verifiable body parts from a dead one then we'll look for a live one. How can people believe that big ape like animals live among us yet NO remains have ever been found.
As I recall Jerry is HALO qualified and also has made sport FF jumps.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Here's a few urls - at first they foundQuoteGeorger may know more than I do about Fosset's crash site. I thought no bones were found more than about 200 yards from structural wreckage.
Amazon, do tell us how YOU of all people got roped into a Sasquatch hunt???
I'd say show me a body, skull or other verifiable body parts from a dead one then we'll look for a live one. How can people believe that big ape like animals live among us yet NO remains have ever been found.
As I recall Jerry is HALO qualified and also has made sport FF jumps.
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no human remains, hiker-searcher found personal
papers ...
http://a11news.com/694/steve-faucet-plane-wreckage-found/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Fossett
http://askville.amazon.com/remains-daredevil-Steve-Faucet-found/AnswerViewer.do?requestId=17492426
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-081002-steve-fossett-photogallery,0,7795762.photogallery
http://www.aviationarchaeology.com/fossett.htm
Driver's license found on October 30, 2008 belonged to FossettCNN: foot bones, shoes, and ID found near Fossett crash site (October 31, 2008)1
Two bones, pair of shoes foundCNN: ones, ID found near Fossett crash site (October 31, 2008)1
Remains now found amid wreckage of Fossett's plane and half a mile awayPE.com: Remains found at Steve Fossett wreckage site(October 2, 2008)2 CNN: ones, ID found near Fossett crash site (October 31, 2008)1
According to reports, "very little" of the remains were present at the crash sitePE.com: Remains found at Steve Fossett wreckage site(October 2, 2008)2
DNA tests conducted on remains concluded they were Fosset'sWelt: Steve Fossett remains confirm his death (November 4, 2008)3
Searchers not surprised by the small amount of remains given the time since the crashPE.com: Remains found at Steve Fossett wreckage site(October 2, 2008)2
Plane debris area measured 400 feet by 150 feetInside Bay Area: Searchers find human remains at Fossett crash site (October 2, 2008)4
Coyotes and other wildlife in the areaInside Bay Area: Searchers find human remains at Fossett crash site (October 2, 2008)4 ID and Clothing Found: Hikers found sweatshirt at some distance from crash site possibly belonging to Fossett on October 4, 2008, in a remote area of the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Fossett's remains have been found about a mile and a half away in a trail
away from crash site. Animal involvement likely.
)5 Investigators said Thursday DNA tests now confirm they have found the remains of Steve Fossett.
Amazon. One question.Did you enjoy the towers at benning. I am realy curious what is your gender.And what year did you train at FT Benning.Better yet when were you awarded Your jump wings. Last but not least what is the name of the building that you stood in front of when you recieved your wing's . Every class recieves there wing's in front of this building.Jerry
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QuoteFossett's remains have been found about a mile and a half away in a trail away from crash site. Animal involvement likely.
I stand corrected Georger. 1.5 miles is surprising.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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One can piece together the details, IQuoteQuoteFossett's remains have been found about a mile and a half away in a trail away from crash site. Animal involvement likely.
I stand corrected Georger. 1.5 miles is surprising.
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wont present here. I wasnt too surprised once I learned what types of animals were involved. Ive
had personal experience traking down stock that
were dragged away; its best to be on horseback or
it can be a very long walk (both ways).
What did surprise me was the hiker had been over
that terrain once and didnt see anything (wasnt
especially looking either) but once a glint of debris
was spotted from the air he went back in a second
time and went straight to the site ... rugged
terrain... and the site wasnt too far from the path
the hiker had taken the first time.
Its a shame an experienced pilot would fall victim
to a down draft ... there was a special on tv about this but I dont remember what network it was. I checked Nova listings and it wasnt there. Maybe
Discovery or NatGeo ???
If I recall this it had something to do with his
type of plane - he couldnt get out of a downdraft
severe? You may know something about that, or
Sluggo, or Farflung. Its just such a shame ....
I think he had flown over that area many many times?
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Nobody knows for sure why Fosset crashed. A pilot I know thinks that he may have been doing acrobatics. To that pilots eye (he flies acro) the wreckage condition and distribution suggests a high speed impact inconsistent with straight and level cruise speeds for the type of aircraft he was flying. It appears that he hit with his wings level and at high speed. His seatbelt was unfastened which argues against acro flying. To me it's inconclusive as to what caused the crash.
See:
http://www.flyingmag.com/safety/accident-investigations/acceptable-risk
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See:
http://www.flyingmag.com/safety/accident-investigations/acceptable-risk
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Definitely a strange case. 12,000 foot plus acro below the ridge line of a box canyon is weird. The planes performance is so marginal at that altitude.
The open seat belt is less baffling. Have you ever tried to open a bear proof garbage can? Twist then push while lifting the right side then....you get the idea. Something was able to open that belt after the crash.
That hiker blundered upon some mountain money which lead to Fossett's discovery. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing really know how to make money that can take a licking.
The open seat belt is less baffling. Have you ever tried to open a bear proof garbage can? Twist then push while lifting the right side then....you get the idea. Something was able to open that belt after the crash.
That hiker blundered upon some mountain money which lead to Fossett's discovery. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing really know how to make money that can take a licking.
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QuoteAmazon. One question.Did you enjoy the towers at benning. I am realy curious what is your gender.
Jerry, do you claim to be an investigator of any sort whatsoever?
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QuoteDefinitely a strange case. 12,000 foot plus acro below the ridge line of a box canyon is weird. The planes performance is so marginal at that altitude.
Could hypoxia have been an issue at 12,000 ft?
The open seat belt is less baffling. Have you ever tried to open a bear proof garbage can? Twist then push while lifting the right side then....you get the idea. Something was able to open that belt after the crash.
Are you saying scavengers opened the belt or that he survived the crash at least long enough to unbuckle?
That hiker blundered upon some mountain money which lead to Fossett's discovery. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing really know how to make money that can take a licking.
They need to do a bit more research on boring animal resistance. Those Cooper twenties were in pretty bad shape. I am assuming the holes were made by some kind of animal, but who knows? Remember when they couldnt find hardly any circulated hundred dollar bills without measurable cocaine residue? It became an issue in a currency forfeiture case. The feds said it was drug money citing cocaine residue on the bills and the claimant said it was no different than generally circulated hundreds, and was apparently right.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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Georger,
Do you think Cooper landed in the river? It sure looks like his money may have.
Just curious about your current thinking on the subject.
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Do you think Cooper landed in the river? It sure looks like his money may have.
Just curious about your current thinking on the subject.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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377,
I think the open belt buckle was largely future myth in the making. I do not think Fossett survived this event. IF his belt was open it may have been from animals getting lucky with the device.
The hypoxia theory is a very valid point (never considered it myself, and I'm a modest, hyper - genius) if the Mode C was pinging the guy at 14,900 he should have been sucking O2 for sure.
The NTSB report mentions how he was not going to do any aerobatic work since he did not wear a parachute as required by regs. That is a new one to me, solo pilots are not required to wear a chute. That was strange to read in the report.
I think you have a good thesis of judgement impaired by hypoxia with an aircraft at the nape of its performance envelope while entering a box canyon. If he had stuck to 395 he could have lived to fly another day.
The other goofy thing about the report was the mentioned transponder track. A target was recorded from 9 to 9:30 following 395 then entering the "recip killing fields" of the Ansel Adams Wilderness where the last report put the aircraft within one mile of Fossett's crash site.
Why were so many searching around Walker Lake? Even with a good amount of information, it is surprising how a plane crash can go undetected for such a long time.
I think the open belt buckle was largely future myth in the making. I do not think Fossett survived this event. IF his belt was open it may have been from animals getting lucky with the device.
The hypoxia theory is a very valid point (never considered it myself, and I'm a modest, hyper - genius) if the Mode C was pinging the guy at 14,900 he should have been sucking O2 for sure.
The NTSB report mentions how he was not going to do any aerobatic work since he did not wear a parachute as required by regs. That is a new one to me, solo pilots are not required to wear a chute. That was strange to read in the report.
I think you have a good thesis of judgement impaired by hypoxia with an aircraft at the nape of its performance envelope while entering a box canyon. If he had stuck to 395 he could have lived to fly another day.
The other goofy thing about the report was the mentioned transponder track. A target was recorded from 9 to 9:30 following 395 then entering the "recip killing fields" of the Ansel Adams Wilderness where the last report put the aircraft within one mile of Fossett's crash site.
Why were so many searching around Walker Lake? Even with a good amount of information, it is surprising how a plane crash can go undetected for such a long time.
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QuoteThe NTSB report mentions how he was not going to do any aerobatic work since he did not wear a parachute as required by regs. That is a new one to me, solo pilots are not required to wear a chute. That was strange to read in the report.
You're wrong. You seem completely unfamiliar with the FARs.
http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_91-307.html
I'm not saying that just because a pilot goes up without a parachute that fact will stop him from performing aerobatics, but the FARs are crystal clear. There are no real aerobatic maneuvers that can be performed without violating 60° of bank or 30° of pitch; none. Doing so requires a parachute by law whether you're solo or not.
Fossett was an experienced pilot and had a LOT to lose by dying in a plane crash. I find it illogical to assume he'd perform aerobatics without a parachute. They're relatively inexpensive and easy to come by.
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QuoteQuoteThe NTSB report mentions how he was not going to do any aerobatic work since he did not wear a parachute as required by regs. That is a new one to me, solo pilots are not required to wear a chute. That was strange to read in the report.
You're wrong. You seem completely unfamiliar with the FARs.
http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_91-307.html
I'm not saying that just because a pilot goes up without a parachute that fact will stop him from performing aerobatics, but the FARs are crystal clear. There are no real aerobatic maneuvers that can be performed without violating 60° of bank or 30° of pitch; none. Doing so requires a parachute by law whether you're solo or not.
Fossett was an experienced pilot and had a LOT to lose by dying in a plane crash. I find it illogical to assume he'd perform aerobatics without a parachute. They're relatively inexpensive and easy to come by.
I wonder about a heart attack or blackout given
his age and profile - Ive seen very little written about his actual medical condition (for some reason). The assumption is he was fit ... Ive seen
a lot of "fit" people with his profile suddenly drop.
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