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Fossett was an experienced pilot and had a LOT to lose by dying in a plane crash. I find it illogical to assume he'd perform aerobatics without a parachute. They're relatively inexpensive and easy to come by.

Every pilot, rich or poor, has a LOT to lose if they crash. Sometimes acrobatics are done on an impulse, just one roll or perhaps a loop, unplanned exhuberance that trumps good judgment. Sometimes they are done too low, or in some other unsafe manner. It's illogical but it happens. I watched such an incident kill a friend.

It was a Friday in March of 1973 when I, Roy Starbird and Paula Peterson played hookey from work and law school to so some RW out at the Cal Club DZ at Livermore CA. John Lewis met us there with the club's Cessna 180 which was owned by the Meredith Bros.

We had some fun RW jumps and geared up for the sunset load. We were the only jumpers out there. It was a perfect spring evening, warm and clear.

The three of us jumped, did some 3 way RW watching a gorgeous sunset and landed in Jensen's field across the street from the main LZ. I heard a loud noise, looked up and saw the Cessna diving towards us. John pulled out, did a very low level buzz job then snap rolled into the ground at high speed not more than a few hundred feet from where I stood watching. I was first to the wreckage hoping John might still be alive. It was horrible. I still have nightmares about what I saw even over thirty years later.

It seemed inexplicable that a 4800 hour pilot would do a roll without having his seatbelt fastened. I suppose if you kept a perfect positive 1 g thoughout the roll you'd be OK. Did he just forget the seatbelt? The investigator who interviewed me said John had fallen away from the controls during the roll because he was not strapped in.

http://www.ntsb.gov/NTSB/brief.asp?ev_id=67768&key=0

This isnt about Cooper or even directly relevant to Fosset, but it shows you that pilots (and jumpers and even skyjackers) sometimes do crazy illogical things on an impulse with tragic results. Could Fosset, punchy from hypoxia, have done something unsafe on an impulse? Who is to say? He wouldn't be the first or the last.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Tell you what Quade, I'm an idiot of the highest degree and beyond. Which is what you want to convey any how. I will defer to your knowledge of the FARs as I'm not about to operate an aircraft in that configuration period.


91.307 (c) Unless each occupant of the aircraft is wearing an approved parachute, no pilot of a civil aircraft carrying any person (other than a crewmember).... what does that mean???? Other than a crewmember..... too mystic for me.



Should time or experience enlighten your understanding about the required use of a parachute with a solo pilot performing aerobatic maneuvers at or above 1500 feet AGL, over an unpopulated area in an aircraft certified for such operation, keep it to your self.

Might want to check the spin training exclusion for CFIs while your at it.

Adios aviation expert, your sandbox is even less crowded now.

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Georger,

Do you think Cooper landed in the river? It sure looks like his money may have.

Just curious about your current thinking on the subject.

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I feel like hydrologist Bradely felt about this.
Until I see a FP that puts him landing near water
I dont think a water landing is likely. Bradley was
even more specific saying if the money arrived at TBar via tributaries, the money had to arrive within ten feet of the 1977 flood stage at some tributary,
in order to be delivered to the Columbia ... otherwise the money got to TBar via some other route.

Using 1977 flood data, Bradely calculated flow time
from the mouth of the Washougal to TBar at about
14.7 hours.

Bradley considered a number of scenarios. He
pointed out the money could have arrived via a
shorter route or even from the Oregon side to
Tina Bar via the Willamette.

Deciding between these options is contingent on
exactly what was found (or not found) at Tina Bar
and we just dont have the facts of the excavation
in hand. Were other artifacts found or not? What
is the total estimate of money at Tina Bar?

There is nothing so far in the money (or about
the found money) which leans in one direction
over another.

I think Cooper had little or no control over where
he went once he bailed. He may have seen lights
in the distance or approaching that caused him to
bail in a certain time frame ...

I dont see anything "in the money" or "about the
money" or in this whole case that suggests either
Cooper or his money landed in the Columbia. Both
may have wound up in the Columbia and some
portion of the money did (as it appeared on Tina
Bar), and that is all I can say.

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If I was given a MILLION dollars to solve a crime involving $200,000?

Maybe you could take an economics 101 course $200K in November 1971 is equivalent to just over a milliion dollars now - $1,059,594 to be precise.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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I didn't like S/L jumps, too low for my taste. I dont like to be able to tell a Ford from a Chevy at exit altitude. Somehow its different opening at 2500 ft after a long FF than exiting at 2500 ft with an S/L.

You and I had that luxury of SL altitude...my favorite paratrooper used to exit at 800'.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Heart attack, stroke or other medical condition is what I've assumed all along. Hypoxia is a kind of silly thing to think about since he was well versed in high altitude flying. 15,000 msl isn't a kill zone by any stretch of the imagination. A healthy individual would be able to operate at that altitude for quite some time as long as they're not being too physical and flying an airplane isn't really that big of a strain. You're probably barking up the wrong tree in thinking anything like that.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Might want to check the spin training exclusion for CFIs while your at it.

Hilarious. So, you think Fossett was involved in spin training during his flight?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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1st the mis-quote:
Jo has denied that Duane’s statement about him being Cooper was a “death-bed” confession every since my first contact with her (in 2003). Others have used that terminology (authors, journalist, i-Net posters, etc.) but Jo has never said it. I have documentation to prove that she has attempted to curtail the use of that term.


I guess we are not going to get the question answered.

Is this like the "Death of Pedro" story?

Pedro was gored to death by a bull.

The news story read:
"Dying Man Has Encounter With Bull!".


The lesson is clear in any event. Jo should not pretend to be a matador and climb in the ring with bulls.

Saving Jo Weber from herself has nothing to do
with DB Cooper!

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If I was given a MILLION dollars to solve a crime involving $200,000?

Maybe you could take an economics 101 course $200K in November 1971 is equivalent to just over a milliion dollars now - $1,059,594 to be precise.

And the amount of money people normally put up as a reward is 10%.

It's absolutely not "worth" a $1,000,000 investment to solve this no matter how you want to do the math.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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It's absolutely not "worth" a $1,000,000 investment to solve this no matter how you want to do the math.

Are you sure Quade? I don't know the "worth" metrics but solving big mysteries has significant monetary value in the publishing business.

Finding and documenting the Titanic made somebody some serious money. Finding Amelia's plane will do the same thing and as we speak big money is being quietly spent in that particular pursuit.

Surely solving NORJACK, one of the biggest crime/aviation mysteries of the 20th century is, in the hands of a savvy marketer, worth more than $100,000.00 or do you disagree?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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You and I had that luxury of SL altitude...my favorite paratrooper used to exit at 800'.

So who is your favorite paratrooper Orange?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Surely solving NORJACK, one of the biggest crime/aviation mysteries of the 20th century is, in the hands of a savvy marketer, worth more than $100,000.00 or do you disagree?

I do disagree. I think if you had $1,000,000 to invest you'd be better served putting all of it into Apple stock.

Hiring an investigator isn't a guarantee of results. Neither is investing in Apple, but the odds are much more in favor of Apple stock going up than finding DB Cooper.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Jo has denied that Duane’s statement about him being Cooper was a “death-bed” confession

Let's just cut her a break and just call it a hospital bed confession.

Who really cares under what circumstances his Cooper confession was made if Duane was lieing?

Nothing so far pans out despite claims that Duane had Ranger training, was a govt spook, was an inmate smoke jumper etc etc. Lots of claims, zero proof. More claims coming, be ready.

What we do know is that Duane was a rather ordinary crook who got caught a LOT. He seemed to do well with women too convincing quite a few to marry him. I don't think Duane knew the difference between an ink well and a Capewell and I'll bet that he never parachuted, not even once.

Have Amazon and Jerry settled their suspicions regarding whether the other person is a bonafide military trained jumper?

Jerry, click on Amazon's avatar and you see some biographical info. I'll be she has more in servce C9 canopy rides than any woman ever.

I still miss Snowmman's input. Quade ought to let him back on at some point. A life sentence seems too extreme.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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but the odds are much more in favor of Apple stock going up than finding DB Cooper.

True. Spending money wont find Cooper. It will probably take some twist of fate, coincidence or lucky break.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I still miss Snowmman's input. Quade ought to let him back on at some point. A life sentence seems too extreme.

Really? Because I was thinking his ghost still haunts us.

I've never liked people that are cowards and hide behind their own internet anonymity while berating and invading other's privacy. I have little sympathy for them. It really doesn't take too much for me to want to ban them for life since their accounts are meaningless to begin with.

I'm more willing to deal with known individuals.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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You are the forum boss Quade but I do hope it isnt a closed book. I am not playing a violin or hoping for a Shawshank Redemption, but keep mercy in your ammo belt along with banishment etc.

Hey Quade, have you seen District Nine? I thought it was a phenomenally good movie for relatively low budget sci fi.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Is Sheridan Peterson still reading tis forum? Check in and let us know Pete.

You'll be pleased to know Pete that I am donating to the ACLU to fight against the cynically misnamed Patriot Act

Would sure like to know if you or others in SE Asia during the war knew about the Air America 727 S/L jumps done in Thailand, and if so, how you learned about them and when.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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but the odds are much more in favor of Apple stock going up than finding DB Cooper.

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Jo has denied that Duane’s statement about him being Cooper was a “death-bed” confession

Let's just cut her a break and just call it a hospital bed confession.

Who really cares under what circumstances his Cooper confession was made if Duane was lieing?

Nothing so far pans out despite claims that Duane had Ranger training, was a govt spook, was an inmate smoke jumper etc etc. Lots of claims, zero proof. More claims coming, be ready.

What we do know is that Duane was a rather ordinary crook who got caught a LOT. He seemed to do well with women too convincing quite a few to marry him. I don't think Duane knew the difference between an ink well and a Capewell and I'll bet that he never parachuted, not even once.

Have Amazon and Jerry settled their suspicions regarding whether the other person is a bonafide military trained jumper?

Jerry, click on Amazon's avatar and you see some biographical info. I'll be she has more in servce C9 canopy rides than any woman ever.

I still miss Snowmman's input. Quade ought to let him back on at some point. A life sentence seems too extreme.

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Jo's whole story and 13 years of antics are about
Jo, not about Duane OR DB. Cooper.

Jo might as well have claimed to be Meliva Maric's
cousin who has special secret inside info that Maric
invented Realtivity and the Egg McMuffin and is
therefore owed $13Trillion in back wages and
a Congressional change in how and who operates
the FBI, NSA, CIA, RVP, and XYZ.

What Jo Weber wants is to "underdstand", she says ... and take her place alongside Zeus on
the road to "undertanding". She has been playing
the "Im an old woman who just wants to know" card
since Jo began.

And she hasnt said "have a nice day" to anyone
yet ........... in 13+ years!

Thats adds up to .....

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I still miss Snowmman's input. Quade ought to let him back on at some point. A life sentence seems too extreme.

Really? Because I was thinking his ghost still haunts us.

I've never liked people that are cowards and hide behind their own internet anonymity while berating and invading other's privacy. I have little sympathy for them. It really doesn't take too much for me to want to ban them for life since their accounts are meaningless to begin with.

I'm more willing to deal with known individuals.

I've never liked people that are cowards and hide behind their own internet anonymity while berating and invading other's privacy who claim to have the
Higgs-Boson and are threatening the world with
it coming out of a "potato canon" !?

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And she hasnt said "have a nice day" to anyone
yet ........... in 13+ years!

I agree that Jo tries our patience, over claims, under delivers, overplays the blonde card and is hanging on to a thesis which has no supporting evidence... but I don't see her as cold hearted. Sluggo, who has met her in person says quite the opposite in fact. Online personalities dont always correlate with real world ones. Snow, in person, is really a warm hospitable thoughtful person, but few here would believe that.

Jo says she isnt long for this world. and I have no reson to doubt her. Right or wrong there are things she needs to resolve about Duane before she dies.
Even Jo has recently hinted that it is all about Duane and not necessarily about Cooper, although I can't ignore her occasional unequivocal statements that they are the same person.

It really isnt a big bother to read her postings or alternatively to ignore them. She is promising big revelations soon, but we all know where that is likely headed.

Just relax and enjoy the fun here. Its a big sandbox and there is room for many, even those who do not "play well with others."

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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here ya go.

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Amazon. One question.Did you enjoy the towers at benning. I am realy curious what is your gender.And what year did you train at FT Benning.Better yet when were you awarded Your jump wings. Last but not least what is the name of the building that you stood in front of when you recieved your wing's . Every class recieves there wing's in front of this building.Jerry

The tower scared the shit out of me... we had a guy slam into one when he did not slip the right way..away from the tower.

I am really curious what your species is... I hear there are furryy critters running around the death woods ya know.

I was at Benning in 1975 and they were awarded at the end of jump week...after I successfully exited and landed from a USAF aircraft for the 5th time.. just like the couple hundred others in the class. No I did not earn the Iron Mike I was rather undistinguished but I made it thru the training... I think the award won by a NAVY guy which really pissed off all the grunts.

I am sure the name of a building has great significance to you since everything on an Army post seemed to be named after some dead guy like SFC Some Dead Guy Memorial Somethng or Other, but I was USAF and only there for 3 weeks 35 years ago, can you tell me the name of the barracks I was in at Eilson AFB in 1972?

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here ya go.

what is that thing? !

antenna? anal probe?


[EDIT***********] its an austin healy finder!!!!!!!!

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Amazon. One question.Did you enjoy the towers at benning. I am realy curious what is your gender.And what year did you train at FT Benning.Better yet when were you awarded Your jump wings. Last but not least what is the name of the building that you stood in front of when you recieved your wing's . Every class recieves there wing's in front of this building.Jerry

The tower scared the shit out of me... we had a guy slam into one when he did not slip the right way..away from the tower.

I am really curious what your species is... I hear there are furryy critters running around the death woods ya know.

I was at Benning in 1975 and they were awarded at the end of jump week...after I successfully exited and landed from a USAF aircraft for the 5th time.. just like the couple hundred others in the class. No I did not earn the Iron Mike I was rather undistinguished but I made it thru the training... I think the award won by a NAVY guy which really pissed off all the grunts.

I am sure the name of a building has great significance to you since everything on an Army post seemed to be named after some dead guy like SFC Some Dead Guy Memorial Somethng or Other, but I was USAF and only there for 3 weeks 35 years ago, can you tell me the name of the barracks I was in at Eilson AFB in 1972?

Oh God! Here we go . . . .

Dids you see that photo of the Yeti finder Jerry
posted?