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Another individual who was going public also met with the same fate I did except he was killed, but none of you are aware of this individual. Yea, you guys just learned something new! Funny how things get buried in the Cooper saga.

Jo,

You still just don’t get it! If you had shown just a little restraint and left the above 3 sentences off, some people would listen to what you have to say. But, for your lack of restraint, you turn most of the readers off because you couldn’t resist a tease.

Maybe you should have been in advertising (or the news media!



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Jo said:

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Another individual who was going public also met with the same fate I did except he was killed, but none of you are aware of this individual. Yea, you guys just learned something new! Funny how things get buried in the Cooper saga.

Jo,

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You still just don’t get it! If you had shown just a little restraint and left the above 3 sentences off, some people would listen to what you have to say. But, for your lack of restraint, you turn most of the readers off because you couldn’t resist a tease.

Sluggo:
I actually have the story about this man in those first 4 yrs of searching. (Remember seeing the 2 spiral note books?) It is one of my hand written notes while talking on the phone.

Perhaps the person who told me this was trying to scare me off or to keep me from digging, but without searching for it I can't remember who told me this. I do not recall if the writers name was given to me. Since I had limited contacts during those yrs (1996 to the first of 2000) I probably made note of the individual I was talking to.

Remember, I was instructed to log my phone calls and what the conversation was about. When the FBI sent their dismissal letter in 1998 - I started to make lots and lots of contacts. The circumstances of my accident have alway been a puzzle.

All of you know I say what I am thinking - and I do not stop to think how someone else might take it (Thinking [typing]Out Loud). I will admit there are many times I have thought my accident was one of those they staged for insurance purposes (something I knew nothing about when I had my accident, but it was well publicized a few yrs later). There is a name for this I cannot recall at this time.

I am sure all of them were just accidents, but what I am curious about is who was that writer and what happened to his research? Yes, I could and should have left the rest of it out.

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I haven't found the name of that writer who was killed, yet. Started with the second note book 1st and got side tracked. This seems more important.

Attention Jumpers:
Help me figure out who this man was talking about.

This was 2001 approx. I was talking to a man by the name of Kenneth Neustel in the 651 area code. He mentions a man by the name of Jerry Matwig - with an impaired arm and part of a group of jumpers who stayed on their own. Army late 50's. Was killed in the late 60's.

Flew Twin Bch DC-3 - flew drugs and salmon - think he is talking about Gary Hannon (can't read next word) looks like S force or Storce) may be another name. His parents found lots of cash after his death.

Rick Swant (not sure of spelling) -sold insurance near St. Cloud and Clear Lake. used B428 Back Pack with T78 Reserve???? No notes as to why he tells me these things.

Then the name of Rubin Fredrick - deceased is mentioned...plus the name Linstrom and/or Limbaugh.

I related these notes to the FBI in 2001 and got no where. Doubt they even listened...as I didn't understand what this man was telling me and just wrote notes. At the time when I called the FBI I had total recall of the conversation, but now it is a blur even with the notes.

Changing subjects:
This is the name of the Angel Udell - Betty Udell - a truck driver. I called the number and they never heard of her....right after I got back from WA in 2001.

In 2003 I am contact by an attorney in Maine who has a suspect...he and I have also talked since then....his subject is also deceased and the wife thought he was Cooper.

Notes: taken from ex-wife in CA. American Legion Convention in WA Aug 30 1966 and Sept 1, 1966. 48th Annual Convention.
She tells me what she wore.

Now this a note taken from her and then later Snowmman and us talked about this in the forum, but it seem the dates Snowmman found were different than what the ex told me. This is why I questioned if we had the right convention, but Snow's good at the researching. When discussing this in the forum - I did not remember I had written it down as she and I were talking (now remember she often had had a little too much to drink and she would call me at 2 A.M my time). When she wanted to talk I would call her back on my nickel.

When Snow found the dates - seems like it fell during a time Duane was "supposed" to be in Jefferson.

Dec. 2 2002 FBI Agent Ralph Hope calls me to retrieve DNA. I inform him I had little that had not been cleaned throughly and suggested the Kirkland Clinic in Birmingham, AL where Duane went to see if he qualified for a transplant before he turned 65.

Another contact known as Doug told me he knew a man by the name of Bob 'Bullet" who claimed he could do the jump and a few wks later it happened.

Carson City - Rick McClure - no note as to why or who gave me this information.

Lt. Col. Hayden - he was there and then he wasn't there and then again he was there? I know what this means, but won't go there at this time.

Names from the Dollar Corner Tavern in WA. Owenrs -
Larry Nelson, Scothe Neal and Wayne Hanson. This was all acquired while in the Tavern which Jerry insisted had been torn down before I was out there.

This was 2001 - the crew and I went to find Don Joy an old timer
living in the area and a musician named Harry Busick who used to play at the Happy Family - we didn't have time to find them but, we did try.

And of course John Snow? No, not our Snow. This was the man who sent us looking for the hermit who knew the singer who used to come in there in the late 40's... I think they were sending us on a Wild Goose Chase.

Just a bunch of useless notes. This book ends shortly after the beginning of 2002...as I carried it to WA in 2001.

All of this trivia - just looking for the name of a writer who got killed or who gave me the information.

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This is in the grapevine. Books are ready to launch and specials.
All of this is just leading up to a movie - and it is not Greys or Blevins or Cooks, it just might be the REAL story about Cooper and the lives he destroyed. Perhaps the story was scripted from this forum, but will the ending reveal who Cooper was and where Tina is? Tina has been loved and protected for many yrs - but, she and the crew maybe doing a movie that will top off all of the books and leave them in their wake...because this will be about the real victims and hopefully it will reveal who Cooper was - but, I doubt it.

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Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals just held:

"We hold that where a court has determined that there is probable cause to believe that the defendant committed a felony, the government’s interest in definitively determining the defendant’s identity outweighs the defendant’s privacy interest in giving a DNA sample as a condition of pretrial release in cases in which the government’s use of the DNA is limited to identification purposes and there is no indication that the government intends to use the information for any other purpose."

No hearing, no conviction, no warrant. Wanna get bail? Gotta give DNA if requested. Broad expansion of police power.

US v. Pool

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Who knows what the FBI really has, but it sounds like they have partial DNA from a tie that they are sure was Cooper's. It isn't complete enough to match to any particular person but it does have enough unique genetic info to rule out someone who doesnt match.

Prosecutors, knowing that crime often runs in families, use a controversial technique known as a familial DNA search. They take an unknown DNA speciemen and then look for a partial match with relatives who have criminal records and DNA samples and go from there.

I know zero about genetics. Could this technique be used to find people who might be related to Cooper? Is the match universe too big for practical matching when the Cooper sample is partial?

Experts please chime in here.

Man, I wish they still had those cigarette butts that Cooper smoked. Maybe they do and they are withholding that info. It sure seems odd that they would lose such crucial evidence on such an important case.

When prosecutors lose or destroy evidence (like the butts) that could be exculpatory, and the remaining evidence against a defendant is circumstantial, defense lawyers bring dismissal motions based on "spoliation of evidence" and they are sometimes granted.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I have been involved in some DNA testing for genealogical purposes. The short answer to your question is that DNA can definitely help narrow down the pool of potential suspects. If the most comprehensive type of testing is conducted, it might be able to make a connection with a reasonably close relative of Cooper. Assuming, of course, that the DNA matches someone that is currently in law enforcement data bases or that of someone who volunteers for a DNA test.

Robert

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Who knows what the FBI really has, but it sounds like they have partial DNA from a tie that they are sure was Cooper's. It isn't complete enough to match to any particular person but it does have enough unique genetic info to rule out someone who doesnt match.

Prosecutors, knowing that crime often runs in families, use a controversial technique known as a familial DNA search. They take an unknown DNA speciemen and then look for a partial match with relatives who have criminal records and DNA samples and go from there.

I know zero about genetics. Could this technique be used to find people who might be related to Cooper? Is the match universe too big for practical matching when the Cooper sample is partial?

Experts please chime in here.

Man, I wish they still had those cigarette butts that Cooper smoked. Maybe they do and they are withholding that info. It sure seems odd that they would lose such crucial evidence on such an important case.

When prosecutors lose or destroy evidence (like the butts) that could be exculpatory, and the remaining evidence against a defendant is circumstantial, defense lawyers bring dismissal motions based on "spoliation of evidence" and they are sometimes granted.

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In genetics circles "partial" can have a specific
technical meaning - I have no idea if Ckret was
using the term in that sense. We never discussed it.
(The technical definition is different in Europe.)

For example see:
http://www.nfstc.org/pdi/Subject08/pdi_s08_m02_03_d.htm


Why always the focus on the cigarette butts? Who
says they are lost? Prove it! Other dna bearing evidence was collected in Reno ... much has been
made of contamination by Jo Weber and others
who dont know anything about genetics but dont mind blowing opinions out of their asses.

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I have been involved in some DNA testing for genealogical purposes. The short answer to your question is that DNA can definitely help narrow down the pool of potential suspects. If the most comprehensive type of testing is conducted, it might be able to make a connection with a reasonably close relative of Cooper. Assuming, of course, that the DNA matches someone that is currently in law enforcement data bases or that of someone who volunteers for a DNA test.

Robert

Guess the FBI had a lucky day because all of Duane's family is deceased and we NEVER found any children - the one I thought I had found was deceased when I found her - so do not know if she was his Zona.

The only other familia would be the children and grandchildren and great grandchldren of the Uncle that the family did NOT talk about.... Lyman VanBuren Weber - Cook County, Ill. Was with Sherwin Willams paint company as a chemist for yrs, but he had 2 children. His wife remarried after his death and moved to Florida. I never found her kids - the line stopped right there.

Let's say the FBI did have Weber's DNA and they have what they think is Coopers DNA? Wonder if they have any of Bobby Kennedy's kids DNA? Maybe they should compare the DNA they have from the tie to the Kennedy clan? Now if that REALLY happened it would be a HA HA HA moment.

I was told that the FBI stopped the exhumation of a Cooper suspect because the individuals where going to obtain the DNA. This writer made a pretty convincing case against his suspect, but he was never able to get his materials published.

He has never sought to be known regarding Cooper, but he has a lot of knowledge and extensive research. He is an older man (older than me) and a very interesting person with a lot of research and knowledgeable regarding Cooper and the many suspects.

Wonder if the FBI would compare the DNA of a possible relative of a suspect (no NOT Weber) to the DNA they claim to have for Cooper. I know exactly how to obtain that DNA and would pay for the test - but I would have to know they would actually compared it to their "Cooper DNA". Just a matter of feeding the data to their computer and seeing if there is a familia match.

I really believe that Weber was Cooper and that the DNA information is flawed, but I am not beyond finding the truth. Because of the things I cannot erase from my memory and the things he did and said....if Weber was NOT Cooper he sure as hell knew who was and I stand by that...and I would be able to obtain familia DNA of this suspect person.

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Experts please chime in here.

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Robert,

I agree with most of what you posted, but if the "sample" from the tie is so messed up as to be useless, why was Sheridan Peterson ruled out as a suspect after he gave the FBI a DNA sample?

"Pete" was:

founder of the Boeing skydive club

worked at Boeing in tech pubs during the 727 rollout

was an expert skydiver

made many jumps on round military canopies

made night jumps

was a USFS smoke jumper in the Pacific NW

jumped in Viet Nam as a civilian during the war

ex Marine with heavy combat experience

did unorthodox jumps such as batwing freefalls

had a HUGE enduring grudge against the US Govt.

witnessed US atrocities in Viet Nam

etc...

I did criminal defense work back in the 70s before DNA was much of forensic tool. Evidence was carefully collected and bagged to avoid contamination. Prosecutors often used blood flecks, tiny fiber samples and other non DNA evidence to convict. They didnt want the evidence contaminated by cops or crime lab techs. The tie might not be as corrupted as you think.

Why are you so torqued about the spoof posts? It seemed obvious and harmless to me, but skydivers are known to have warped senses of humor and a compromised moral code.

Jumped last Saturday. It is just as thrilling as it was 42 years ago. I never acclimate to it. Only $17 to 13,500 feet. Such a deal!

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Thanks for the training links G. I am gonna reduce my DNA ignorance straight away.

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'The most minute mixing of DNA (see: skin cells from other people) with other DNA renders it completely useless and will generate false results that will not identify an actual person, but a mixed and false profile. So any comparisons you make to those results will be useless as well. Your 'result' won't even be a real person...'

Quote your source(s) for this.

Your choice of words is so highly prejudicial as to \
be nearly meaningless.

How and what contaminations would affect a Y Chromosome STR loci analysis, in your opinion?
Which procedures would be most efficaious in the
face of (unknown global) contamination? Whose kits would you use? Can you recommend a lab you would recommend or not recommend?

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Thanks for the training links G. I am gonna reduce my DNA ignorance straight away.

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Start here, a good general review:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_profiling

Pay special attention to the section on PCR and STR analysis. In these sections you will find a reference to the FBI's CODIS system... read that carefully because it is from this system that the term "partial" has technical meaning.

Note the sentence under PCR analysis that says:
"With the invention of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) technique, DNA profiling took huge strides forward in both discriminating power and the ability to recover information from very small (or degraded) starting samples." Note "degraded".

I would take the time to read the sections: polymerase chain reaction and Short tandem repeats

Yes it gets a little complucated but its woeth the trouble to get a feeling for this material ... you will
be glad you did.

My feeling is, the FBI probably did some Y chromosome STR foci testing. One virtue of doing that is it tends to isolate donor markers to a restricted field while also helping to define areas of contamination ... this may be the basis on which they are using the term Partial and able to rule out competitors from a series of knowable trait groups? Im just guessing.

My other guess is there will be more genetic testing in the Cooper matter as time goes on. So a person
interested in this case might want to learn something about that as time goes on ...

Good luck 377.

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If the can get DNA from cremaines - I will gladly porduce them...so they can see if they match what they think the have on Weber.

Chain of Custody
The chain of custody of evidence is a record of individuals who have had physical possession of the evidence. Documentation is critical to maintaining the integrity of the chain of custody. Maintaining the chain of custody is vital for any type of evidence. In addition, if laboratory analysis reveals that DNA evidence was contaminated, it may be necessary to identify persons who have handled that evidence.

In processing the evidence, the fewer people handling the evidence, the better. There is less chance of contamination and a shorter chain of custody for court admissibility hearings.

Contamination. Because extremely small samples of DNA can be used as evidence, greater attention to contamination issues is necessary when identifying, collecting, and preserving DNA evidence. DNA evidence can be contaminated when DNA from another source gets mixed with DNA relevant to the case

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310185888630

This rig is being sold for use as an approved emergency parachute. Can't have that hard a pull. It has been decades since I jumped surplus gear, but this container doesn't appear to have been extended to increase interior volume.

Riggers, is this an unusual combo of container and canopy?

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I have been involved in some DNA testing for genealogical purposes. The short answer to your question is that DNA can definitely help narrow down the pool of potential suspects. If the most comprehensive type of testing is conducted, it might be able to make a connection with a reasonably close relative of Cooper. Assuming, of course, that the DNA matches someone that is currently in law enforcement data bases or that of someone who volunteers for a DNA test.

Robert

Gossett's son believes he was Cooper. Wonder if he would offer to compare DNA?

Now, I may have missed something (I have not had time to keep completely up to date on the thread): who is Bob Knoss?

Edited to add: have now read some of Knoss's ramblings, so ... no real need to answer Anyone who wants proof that this is not the only page where people spout crazy stuff about the case, I can direct you to another link!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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DNA discussions around this thread are like two ants standing on the top of an anthill in the Sahara Desert and speculating on what the rest of the world might be like.

I dont know about ants in the Sahara Desert but,
was your candidate Kenny, Norwegian, Danish, Swedish ... what Scandinavian lineage? Or
something else?

Do you even know?

G.

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Hi. I've never posted but I've been reading this forum on and off for a couple of years. Just someone who has been interested in this story forever and got re-interested when i found this forum and other web sites. I stayed away for awhile and am trying to catch up and re-read some old stuff - which is proving to be rather daunting - so, forgive me if these questions have been answered. Just a couple of the many things that have bugged me...

Has anyone ever been given access to the actual "in their own words" FBI interviews/debriefing?

The reason I ask: I read various posts where ckret "debunks" myths but then I find info in the transcripts from Sluggo's site that seems to contradict ckret. It's little things that might not add up to anything one way or another, but is interesting if you look at in the whole. For example: ckret says in a post refuting tosaw's accounts that "The fueling is part correct, a third truck was on standby, never used. There was not a frozen nozzle". Transcripts, however talk about a third truck being used and a fourth truck on standby because a "vapor lock" on the second truck wasn't allowing the fuel to come through (Could vapor lock be synomous with frozen nozzle in a stressful situation)? Then I hear on a news video of Rataczak's retirement that he helped write Tosaw's book. No real opinion..Just curious why would Tosaw's information be so quickly discredited by folks when he is in direct consultation with someone who was there and who can confirm or reject his account.

Also .. one news article of the day describing the press conference has Tina in quotes as saying soft white cloth laundry bag when describing the money bag, but nothing I can find in the forum references the FBI material as using that description.
Is that news conference available anywhere? I've googled ad nauseum but I can't find it.

thanks for any responses in advance..and again sorry if this has already been laid to rest. I'm trying to print out the thread but I keep running out of ink :)

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Welcome smokin 99!

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I'm trying to print out the thread but I keep running out of ink :)

HP, Epson and Lexmark subsidize the DB Cooper forum. Kids these days dont even use printers but us old folks do, and we are wordy in our posts. Perfect combination for printhead sales.

Its a Twitter and SMS world now, but not here.


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Orange1 Said:
Edited to add: have now read some of Knoss's ramblings, so ... no real need to answer Anyone who wants proof that this is not the only page where people spout crazy stuff about the case, I can direct you to another link!

You can’t imagine what that clown has spouted over the years. Maybe Jo would like to share with you (us)?

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Hi. I've never posted but I've been reading this forum on and off for a couple of years.

I’m glad you posted… but, I hope you are strong! This forum could use the services of a genologist geneolergist jennyologist genealogist occasionally.

Hey skyjack71…
Bad Bob Knoss (the Pride of Minnesota) is loose on the internet. Better watch your fingers and toes, he’s dangerous, he’s talking, and he’s STILL nuts!

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310185888630

This rig is being sold for use as an approved emergency parachute. Can't have that hard a pull. It has been decades since I jumped surplus gear, but this container doesn't appear to have been extended to increase interior volume.

Riggers, is this an unusual combo of container and canopy?

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No bites? If an unsleeved C9 canopy in an NB6 rig isnt such a hard pull then it increases the chance that Cooper was able to deploy his chute.

Why did Cossey make such a big deal about the rig having a super hard pull (pull=ripcord handle force required to unseat the locking pins from the cones)?

And the outboard pull ripcord handle orientation wasnt all that unusual. Look at photos of early piggyback rigs cobbed together from surplus components. Outboard facing right hand main handles werent so uncommon. Snow has found examples to show this.

Cossey seems to like playing with people. Is it possible he BSd the FBI a bit about the rig that Cooper jumped?

The Air America 727 jump films show that if you deploy right out of the plane (as with an S/L or a hop and pop) your round chute "squids" and decelerates rather smoothly.

If Cooper pulled right off the stairs and landed on dry ground rather than a lake or river, he landed alive in my opinion.

The quick deployment would minimize tumbling due to the stabilizing drogue effect of the deploying canopy. This lessens the chance of a no pull due to tumbling, disorientation and panic.

What do any of you think about Sheridan Peterson as a suspect? The FBI ruled him out as soon as he provided a DNA sample. Before that he was interesting enough for them to visit his home and question him. "Pete" could definitely have done the jump. He had been a smoke jumper, was an accomplished skydiver and had made night jumps with round canopies.

I've always thought that Cooper HAD to know that a 727 was jumpable. Pete was working in tech publications at Boeing when the 727 was rolled out. We KNOW Boeing did flight tests with deployed stairs. It came up when WFFC tried to get FAA approval for skydives from a 727. Very few people knew about those Boeing tests prior to Norjack.

I have no evidence that Pete was Cooper, its just that among all the possible suspects he sure has one of the best matchups on needed skills and knowledge.

His alibi was very hard to test. He claimed he was living in a mud hut in rural Nepal when Norjack took place.

Pete looks a lot like the FBI Cooper sketches but so does Gossett, and probably many others too.

He is an interesting guy, a USMC combat vet who is a peacenik and very anti military. He jumps right into the fray with war lovers on various blogs.

I like him.

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Thanks for the welcome. Yeah, I tried to save relevant posts, files, and attachments from different sites on my computer so I could go back and forth but I just can't keep up with you guys without printing -- especially when you get into the technical jargon.
I have to say that I admire you all for your tenacity in trying to unravel this mystery. I dare say that if the dropzone gang had been around together in 71, we'd all know who Cooper is even without the technology and internet we have today. Maybe it's just Monday morning quarterbacking and everything was done that could have been, but you guys seem to hone in on relevant questions and what-ifs that possibly could have been answered back then..... of course that is if some of the gang didn't kill each other first . j/k...good debates are never as interesting if spirited passion for the subject matter isn't there and DB definitely inspires that.

but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

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Hey skyjack71…
Bad xxx xxxxx (the Pride of Minnesota) is loose on the internet. Better watch your fingers and toes, he’s dangerous, he’s talking, and he’s STILL nuts!

This man is a piece of work Sluggo and you know that. He made life for the co-pilot and his wife and family living hell. It only got worse after the co-pilot's email address got out to the public thru this thread.

You guys have heard me talk about "and hence the one legged man was born" and my emailing bait. I would copy the email to Doug Pasternac and in a few days would come this story about things I used as bait. What was bad is that I didn't understand where he was coming from till the damage had been done...and it only hurt me.

I had given him information and names hoping he was for real - YRS ago. I told him about Tony and Tommy and at first he never heard of them - then later I get these emails telling me all about Tommy and Tony (his characters did not resemble the real individuals). He knew how to play things, but I did protect myself - by using Doug because of his knowledge of what was real and what was bait in my communications.

Ever once in a while I would get the feel he did know something and then his story would go off the wall again. I have reached only one conclusion about his claims...that perhaps he had met Duane Weber, but within the ranges of an activity he did not want to admit...he even claimed Duane was FBI and so was Tommy and produced sites to support this (but there was NO way that this Tommy .... and Duane Weber involved in a mass suicide had anything to do with the real Tommy....and Duane Weber).

He claimed McCoy was Cooper and was still alive and McCoy was a wrestler in CA and it was all a set-up by the FBI and FAA. He went so far as to make claims about the co-pilot and other creditable people. His harassment of the co-pilot's family was the last straw when this guy managed to get one of the writers to come to see him.

This writer spent a considerable amount of time interviewing this guy and tried to get an interview with the co-pilot. Because of this writers contact with this "guy" the co-pilot told me to tell the writer NEVER to call him again. This individual cost the writer an interview with a key witness.

Using the back door was not smart and a hard lesson that was costly for this writer. I try to be kind to this man as many of you do me, but I cannot swallow his story, because I listened to it being fabricated over a 10 yr period of time. The way you guys view me except I am consistent, but do explore the possiblities when presented to me.

This is it basically a summary of what I know - and I have not heard it all. I didn't know he was still out there telling his story after the problems he caused the co-pilot around June of this yr - 2010.


PS.
Did anyone but me have to log in and pick a new password?



Quade, are you listening to this. A way to make money in this economy. I would buy one - REALLY. I tried to print some of it, but I finally gave up because it grew faster than I could buy ink and printers. I'll buy the first copy!

And if any of you guys have been industrious enough to print the thread - I will purchase a copy from you. Someday the the thread will be gone and when I am sitting in that nursing home it sure would be nice to sit and read all of this stuff again and expect I will have a smile on my face if I can still read...or have enough sense to know what I am reading.

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Thanks for the welcome. Yeah, I tried to save relevant posts, files, and attachments from different sites on my computer so I could go back and forth but I just can't keep up with you guys without printing -- especially when you get into the technical jargon.
I have to say that I admire you all for your tenacity in trying to unravel this mystery. I dare say that if the dropzone gang had been around together in 71, we'd all know who Cooper is even without the technology and internet we have today. Maybe it's just Monday morning quarterbacking and everything was done that could have been, but you guys seem to hone in on relevant questions and what-ifs that possibly could have been answered back then..... of course that is if some of the gang didn't kill each other first . j/k...good debates are never as interesting if spirited passion for the subject matter isn't there and DB definitely inspires that.

Welcome. You posed some pretty good
questions. I couldnt answer them
(comprehensively) if I tried. But I can say
I think just about every person here would
have a different angle on Tosaw and Rataczak.

By the way a lot of people pronounce it 'tow-saw'.
Galen Cook might have a different take. Lots of
people had/have opinions about him pro and con.

Rataczak would be one of the more interesting people one could talk to.

That doesnt offer you much but welcome in any event -