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The high winds at altitude saga apparently originates from the quotations from a Captain Bohan which start on page 111 of Ralph Himmelsbach's book.

Captain Bohan apparently told Himmelsbach that his jet was at 14,000 feet and "four minutes behind" the hijacked airliner. Bohan reported "80 knot winds from 166 degrees (this would presumably be about 183 degrees with respect to the grid lines), right on my nose". Bohan also reported an extremely high cross wind component as he landed on runway 10 at Portland.

First, Captain Bohan wouldn't not have been "four minutes behind" the hijacked airliner very long since he probably had an airspeed of about 100 knots more than the Cooper aircraft, assuming of course that Bohan had retracted his landing gear and flaps and was operating his aircraft normally.

Robert 99,

Are these quotes from Himmelsbachs book (the writer got several things wrong per Himmelsbach)? All and all it is still one of the most accurate accountings we have of the actual skyjacking.


Perhaps the book is quoting the scheduled time and not the time Bohan's plane actually left. It just DOES not sound reasonable that they would release a plane on the same vector 4 minutes behind a plane traveling at 200 knots with a BOMB on board. This seems UNREALISTIC to a non-pilot. Safety was more of an issue than a scheduled flight being on time.

To a layman what I have just read sounds like a major disastor in the making...there is a plane in that vector going 200 Knott and it has a bomb on board....plus I had been told the other flight was not sent out until after the Skyjacked plane cleared OR or was approaching OR. What I read might have put Bohan's plane right on top of the skyjacked plance considering the altitutude...perhaps Bohans route was to the West of the vector.

Well, I am talking about something I know NOTHING about. One of you guys make some sense of it so a layman can understand it ... all of you know what I am trying to say.

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Jo,
That is why i asked. This is in a newspaper article on the last page of the FBI website for Cooper.

SKYWHUFFO,

I THINK I know what is causing the discrepancy, but before I make a statement I need to find the source. Can you be more specific about the cited newspaper article?

Do you mean the last page (.PDF file) of the FOIA FBI page. The last page in the last .PDF file, or the last page of one of the two Cooper pages on the FBI Archive website?

I looked at all of those and couldn't find anything.

A URL would be helpful.

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Sluggo:

I just found my mistake! JO- I totally apologize- I was on another planet when I read that! It was referencing anouther plane inbound to Seattle where a bomb was called in. I the shadows now!

http://foia.fbi.gov/cooper_d_b/cooper_d_b_part06.pdf

FOIA SITE.

part six. scroll down first article after all the serial numbers. Headline: Winner of DB Cooper $20 bill hunt gets $1000. second column 2nd paragraph.

And YES! I was REALLY REALLY desperate for reading material to read the FOIA site! HA!

Apologizes to all!

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The high winds at altitude saga apparently originates from the quotations from a Captain Bohan which start on page 111 of Ralph Himmelsbach's book.

Captain Bohan apparently told Himmelsbach that his jet was at 14,000 feet and "four minutes behind" the hijacked airliner. Bohan reported "80 knot winds from 166 degrees (this would presumably be about 183 degrees with respect to the grid lines), right on my nose". Bohan also reported an extremely high cross wind component as he landed on runway 10 at Portland.

First, Captain Bohan wouldn't not have been "four minutes behind" the hijacked airliner very long since he probably had an airspeed of about 100 knots more than the Cooper aircraft, assuming of course that Bohan had retracted his landing gear and flaps and was operating his aircraft normally.

Robert 99,

Are these quotes from Himmelsbachs book (the writer got several things wrong per Himmelsbach)? All and all it is still one of the most accurate accountings we have of the actual skyjacking.


Perhaps the book is quoting the scheduled time and not the time Bohan's plane actually left. It just DOES not sound reasonable that they would release a plane on the same vector 4 minutes behind a plane traveling at 200 knots with a BOMB on board. This seems UNREALISTIC to a non-pilot. Safety was more of an issue than a scheduled flight being on time.

To a layman what I have just read sounds like a major disastor in the making...there is a plane in that vector going 200 Knott and it has a bomb on board....plus I had been told the other flight was not sent out until after the Skyjacked plane cleared OR or was approaching OR. What I read might have put Bohan's plane right on top of the skyjacked plance considering the altitutude...perhaps Bohans route was to the West of the vector.

Well, I am talking about something I know NOTHING about. One of you guys make some sense of it so a layman can understand it ... all of you know what I am trying to say.

Jo, The quotes are correct but the remarks in the parentheses are mine.

Captain Bohan's route is not specifically given but it would seem logical, as you say, that he would not be on the same airway as the hijacked airliner. At the time of the hijacking, there was a V23 East airway that ran directly from the Seattle VORTAC to what is now the Battleground VORTAC. This airway was east of the V23 airway which the airliner mostly followed to northern California. Perhaps Bohan was on it.

Robert Nicholson

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Quade, Something seems to be getting lost in the translation here. Let me give you a couple of items in my background that, I strongly believe, gives me some reason to stand behind my statements.

No. You're the one making the claim. Show me YOUR math. Show me YOUR data sources, a flight log from the PIC of both his indicated airspeed, the pressure and temperature, so I CAN do the math myself to check. I doubt they even exist.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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'I noticed something odd about the "Dan Cooper Comic book cover, it uses computer aided color wash techniques that didn't exist in 1972.'

They keep publishing new editions, some in hardback as collections. Here's a few pictures of the hardback version that was given to me by the History Channel as a gift:

so they are going to use the newer version that has been altered to resemble the "Dan Cooper" ticket?
would you know if the FBI is aware of this alteration?
or time-frame in which it occurred?
the reason I ask is this exact "evidence" caused me to question my mother and fathers stories when I saw it, specifically because I was led to believe the ticket handwriting was meant to emulate the script on the 'Dan Cooper" comic.
obviously this version didn't exist in 1971 and therefore shouldn't be presented as if it did.
misleading, "evidence" that has been altered to resemble tangible legitimate "evidence"?
not good! calls into question a lot of other things. the History Channel and anyone else using this newer version should re-shoot to more acuratly reflect the truth if they are or have used this version.
one of the good things about most of this involving dead people is they can't alter or tamper with the evidence. we shouldn't either!

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the reason I ask is this exact "evidence" caused me to question my mother and fathers stories when I saw it, specifically because I was led to believe the ticket handwriting was meant to emulate the script on the 'Dan Cooper" comic.

Who "led you to believe" that? Sorry if I missed it upthread.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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Jamie Cooper asks in part:

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'...so they are going to use the newer version that has been altered to resemble the "Dan Cooper" ticket?
would you know if the FBI is aware of this alteration?
or time-frame in which it occurred?
the reason I ask is this exact "evidence" caused me to question my mother and fathers stories when I saw it, specifically because I was led to believe the ticket handwriting was meant to emulate the script on the 'Dan Cooper" comic...'

I get it now.

You're making a joke, right?

A harried ticket agent at Podunk (Portland) International Airport made out a ticket to a passenger and tried to make his writing look like the writing on an obscure French comic book...

Or...the comic book people decided it would be a cute trick to change the comic later to make it look like the handwriting on the ticket.

I can't think of any way to respond to this. Sure, I like The Twilight Zone. But this is just TOO much.

No comment, except to say that the comic has not been linked to any of the suspects. Some people just think the hijacker may have picked his phony name from the comic. But without a link to a specific person, it means little.

a joke? this is fabricating evidence to support an unproven theory!
flat out tampering with a Federal investigation!
no different than forging documents!

(RobertMBlevins) I'm not pointing the blame finger at you, especially considering you are ordering the correct original version for your book.
only attempting to make sure the integrity of this investigation is properly maintainted.

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JamieCooper says in part:

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'a joke? this is fabricating evidence to support an unproven theory!
flat out tampering with a Federal investigation!
no different than forging documents!'

Yeah. The next thing you know, the Feds will have to put that comic into the Witness Protection Program so no one can tamper with it any further...

(*Holds head in hands and groans*)

or, and God forbid, rely on reality and truth.
it's not like it would be that difficult to obtain a correct copy from 1971, I found one inside of 15 minutes on google. you yourself just posted you are obtaing the proper version.
this comic has been used by multiple persons as well as the FBI to justify a unproven theory that "DB Cooper" took his name from it.
now we find it's been altered to resemble the handwriting on the ticket.
while most or all of you here are aware it's supposed to be "Hal's" handwriting on thet ticket, do a google image search for "dan cooper handwriting", the average person thinks it's the hijackers handwriting, a belief thats encouraged when they are shown the comic with script designed to cement that idea in their heads.

additionally I'm not entirely convinced it's not the hijackers handwriting, when compared to my fathers signature.
I'd like to see at least one other example of "Hal's" handwriting outside of the "DB Cooper" case for comparison!

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Jamie Cooper asks in part:

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'...so they are going to use the newer version that has been altered to resemble the "Dan Cooper" ticket?
would you know if the FBI is aware of this alteration?
or time-frame in which it occurred?
the reason I ask is this exact "evidence" caused me to question my mother and fathers stories when I saw it, specifically because I was led to believe the ticket handwriting was meant to emulate the script on the 'Dan Cooper" comic...'

I get it now.

You're making a joke, right?

A harried ticket agent at Podunk (Portland) International Airport made out a ticket to a passenger and tried to make his writing look like the writing on an obscure French comic book...

Or...the comic book people decided it would be a cute trick to change the comic later to make it look like the handwriting on the ticket.

I can't think of any way to respond to this. Sure, I like The Twilight Zone. But this is just TOO much.

Blevins - you and I are on opposing poles, but you are so correct in your response to Jamie and all of us have to really really question - What Planet is Jamie On!.

At first glance you think this is just a mixed up kid. Then as he progresses and everyone tries to help him - it appears he is an adult child looking for attention.

Even when we put facts in front of him - he just doesn't get it. I do truely believe he is someone that is here to cause nothing but confusion and chaos. This is just a game he plays.

My opinion was this at get go, but everyone needs a chance to be heard. After so many of us OFFERed help and asked for information that might help us pull what there might be together for him, but he consistenly refuses.

What information he provides has NO substance and there are questions he could and should answer in a PM and not in a public forum. I have tried and I can do no more without his help.

Since I cannot trust him to NOT publish a PM or email - I definitely will not share with him private information that is privileged information NOT for public knowledge.

I was thinking another planet - perhaps another universe altogether....but I like your option better. The Twilight Zone.

P.S. Have you ever read David Dun's Necessary Evil. No connection to the above subject, but bet you a dime to a donut, Jamie thinks it is about him. Seems like it is in your genre - I usually keep 2 or 3 books going at one time - all depends what I feel like on specific days.

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Jo, I was just wondering, why is it just minutes after I added my birth-date to my profile here, all of a sudden you came and posted something about Duane's birthday being so close to mine? and were sending private messages, which I read on previous posts you swore off doing without asking permission first.
I wasn't able to find Duanes birthdate anywhere else on the web.
only his birth year.
how is that any kind of attempt to help me or anyone?

lol obviously you both are quite familiar with "the Twilight zone" where else could people demand respect and get paid so well for spouting proven falsehoods, that is, outside of Washinton D.C.?

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JamieCooper says in part:

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'a joke? this is fabricating evidence to support an unproven theory!
flat out tampering with a Federal investigation!
no different than forging documents!'

Yeah. The next thing you know, the Feds will have to put that comic into the Witness Protection Program so no one can tamper with it any further...

(*Holds head in hands and groans*)

Jamie won't even get it. Poor Thing.
Or perhaps he does and he is accomplishing his goal

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JamieCooper says in part:

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'a joke? this is fabricating evidence to support an unproven theory!
flat out tampering with a Federal investigation!
no different than forging documents!'

Yeah. The next thing you know, the Feds will have to put that comic into the Witness Protection Program so no one can tamper with it any further...

(*Holds head in hands and groans*)

Jamie doesn't even get it. Poor Thing.

get what? that you've yet to produce a single shred of physical evidence or previously unnoticed fact regarding the "DB Cooper" case?
riddle me this, how could the handwriting of a ticket agent be influenced by a comic-book cover that didn't exist yet?

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Jo, I was just wondering, why is it just minutes after I added my birth-date to my profile here, all of a sudden you came and posted something about Duane's birthday being so close to mine? and were sending private messages, which I read on previous posts you swore off doing without asking permission first.
I wasn't able to find Duanes birthdate anywhere else on the web.
only his birth year.
how is that any kind of attempt to help me or anyone?

lol obviously you both are quite familiar with "the Twilight zone" where else could people demand respect and get paid so well for spouting proven falsehoods, that is, outside of Washinton D.C.?

Excuse me! Why would I ask your permission about anything.
YOU are the one who posted to the thread a PM I sent to you as something very private.

Not the other way round! I know you are a musician trying to make a name for yourself and you will not ride to stardom on the Cooper71.

I will NOT give you the satisfaction of replying to another one of your posts, Enjoy the ride!

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Jo, I was just wondering, why is it just minutes after I added my birth-date to my profile here, all of a sudden you came and posted something about Duane's birthday being so close to mine? and were sending private messages, which I read on previous posts you swore off doing without asking permission first.
I wasn't able to find Duanes birthdate anywhere else on the web.
only his birth year.
how is that any kind of attempt to help me or anyone?

lol obviously you both are quite familiar with "the Twilight zone" where else could people demand respect and get paid so well for spouting proven falsehoods, that is, outside of Washinton D.C.?

Excuse me! Why would I ask your permission about anything.
YOU are the one who posted to the thread a PM I sent to you as something very private.

Not the other way round! I know you are a musician trying to make a name for yourself and you will not ride to stardom on the Cooper71.

I will NOT give you the satisfaction of replying to another one of your posts, Enjoy the ride!

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
while it's true, I used to perform on-stage in the 1980's and 1990's I haven't actively pursued my musical career since raising my now 16 year old handicapped son alone. some might see that as an attempt to make good where my father didn't, just as I'm trying to do here.
weak argument Jo, but very revealing.
is that what has been in this otherwise fruitless adventure for you?
the fame beast?
oh I know all about fame, counting among my friends some of the most famous persons alive today.
but I digress. and we should just stick to the case at hand.

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oh I know all about fame, counting among my friends some of the most famous persons alive today.

So you are in Snowmman's posse? Cool.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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oh I know all about fame, counting among my friends some of the most famous persons alive today.

So you are in Snowmman's posse? Cool.

377

I don't know who snowman is outside of this forum, and I probablly shouldn't even have mentioned the fame thing.
it has no bearing on this case.

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The guy Snowmman and Jamie's father skinned in Wilkins County back in '69, was named"William Vocks"

Not Volks.

He knew too much.

An article about the cold case is here.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/Cold_Case_Willie_Vocks_Jan_26_2009

A picture of Vocks is attached. Snowmman says he has kept it for over 40 years.

BRADFORD TOWNSHIP, Minn. - On July 2, 1969, the body of farmer William “Willie” Vocks was found outside on his farmyard property in rural Bradford Township in Wilkin County.

Vocks died as a result of gunshot wounds. Robbery was a possible motive in the case

Anyone with information is asked to call the Minnesota BCA tipline at 1-877-996-6222.

Minnesota has him on the unsolved cases playing card deck. King of Clubs.

http://www.bca.state.mn.us/ColdCase/Cards/HWilliamVocks.jpg

http://www.bca.state.mn.us/ColdCase/UnsolvedCards.asp

There is a death certificate on file in Wilkin County, MN that confirms this.
Nice tornados in Campbell this year! small town!

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The guy Snowmman and Jamie's father skinned in Wilkins County back in '69, was named"William Vocks"

Not Volks.

He knew too much.

An article about the cold case is here.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/Cold_Case_Willie_Vocks_Jan_26_2009

A picture of Vocks is attached. Snowmman says he has kept it for over 40 years.

BRADFORD TOWNSHIP, Minn. - On July 2, 1969, the body of farmer William “Willie” Vocks was found outside on his farmyard property in rural Bradford Township in Wilkin County.

Vocks died as a result of gunshot wounds. Robbery was a possible motive in the case

Anyone with information is asked to call the Minnesota BCA tipline at 1-877-996-6222.

Minnesota has him on the unsolved cases playing card deck. King of Clubs.

http://www.bca.state.mn.us/ColdCase/Cards/HWilliamVocks.jpg

http://www.bca.state.mn.us/ColdCase/UnsolvedCards.asp

There is a death certificate on file in Wilkin County, MN that confirms this.
Nice tornados in Campbell this year! small town!

wow! good work, that must be the guy. Wilkin county!
for some reason I sudden;y feel kinda frightened.
that that sheriff might still be around or worse yet in a greater position of power.
I never saw what "Billy" looked like before.
like alot of this other stuff it's not quite as real until you actually see it.
I spose I gotta call in what I know
377, youre a lawyer right? what should I do?

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Your posts are welcome. but gimme a break!

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/pages/contact

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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The guy Snowmman and Jamie's father skinned in Wilkins County back in '69, was named"William Vocks"

Not Volks.

He knew too much.

An article about the cold case is here.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/news/Cold_Case_Willie_Vocks_Jan_26_2009

A picture of Vocks is attached. Snowmman says he has kept it for over 40 years.

BRADFORD TOWNSHIP, Minn. - On July 2, 1969, the body of farmer William “Willie” Vocks was found outside on his farmyard property in rural Bradford Township in Wilkin County.

Vocks died as a result of gunshot wounds. Robbery was a possible motive in the case

Anyone with information is asked to call the Minnesota BCA tipline at 1-877-996-6222.

Minnesota has him on the unsolved cases playing card deck. King of Clubs.

http://www.bca.state.mn.us/ColdCase/Cards/HWilliamVocks.jpg

http://www.bca.state.mn.us/ColdCase/UnsolvedCards.asp

There is a death certificate on file in Wilkin County, MN that confirms this.
Nice tornados in Campbell this year! small town!

never called in a murder b4. but I just did. I'll update as applicable on the William Vocks case, if any of you are interested. I also told them the location that I last saw the Briefcase. so? maybe they will find it?
for the record, my father was a suspect but had a rock solid alibi, he didn't contribute to or cause the death of William Vocks!
my father was alot of things but murderer wasn't one of them.
theres a possibility of useable prints in this though, if anyone is listening.

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Quade, Something seems to be getting lost in the translation here. Let me give you a couple of items in my background that, I strongly believe, gives me some reason to stand behind my statements.

No. You're the one making the claim. Show me YOUR math. Show me YOUR data sources, a flight log from the PIC of both his indicated airspeed, the pressure and temperature, so I CAN do the math myself to check. I doubt they even exist.

Quade, You are on!

From the FBI Notes (page 004/017 in the upper right hand corner), 8:10 PM PST, in part, "Airplane now at 10,000 feet, 170K (i.e., 170 KIAS), TAT minus 7 degrees Centigrade".

From the Seattle ARTTC transcript (page 3):

7:50:05 PM PST - Aircraft given Toledo altimeter setting of 29.98 inches of Mercury.

8:13:14 PM PST - Aircraft level at 10,000 feet.

8:15:52 PM PST - Aircraft given Portland altimeter setting of 30.03 inches of Mercury.

The above is all the information you need, but here are some additional considerations. The crew was informed shortly after takeoff from Seattle that the speed for optimum range in their new configuration was 170 KIAS. They did flutuate a bit above and below this speed but 170 KIAS was what they were trying to maintain.

What does a TAT of minus 7 degrees Centigrade mean? It is a value they got off their Mach meter instrument and includes the effects of temperature rise due to aerodynamic compression. Therefore, to be accurate, this temperature rise must be accounted for to give the ambient temperature which is what is needed to determine the true airspeed.

My Jeppesen CR-3 circular calculator has scales which can account for this temperature rise. But in case your calculator doesn't have this capability, the temperature rise due to aerodynamic compression is 5 degrees Centigrade for the other conditions specified. This rise can be determined from other sources. So to put it another way, the ambient temperature is actually minus 12 degrees Centigrade for the specified flight conditions.

From the above information, I calculate a true airspeed of between 194 and 195 knots. So to be conservative, I used 194 knots for most purposes.

If you have any further questions on the above, please let me know.

After we get this true airspeed calculation resolved, would you be interested in calculating the atmospheric density for the Portland area on the evening of the hijacking? And I mean including corrections for temperature, pressure, and humidity.

In case you are wondering, the density from 10,000 feet to sea level in the Portland area that evening was about 2 percent above the density for the 1962 standard US atmosphere.

Then after resolving the above, would you be interested in calculating the wind chill temperature that Cooper experienced on the stairs and immediately after seperating from the stairs? It was about 37 degrees below zero Fahrenheit.

Anything else you would like to calculate?

Robert Nicholson

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Jamie Cooper says in part:

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'this comic has been used by multiple persons as well as the FBI to justify a unproven theory that "DB Cooper" took his name from it.'

This is actually true. But you can see how it came about. Guy with a parachute...name is Dan Cooper. Okay, fine. But it's just a theory, and even if it were true, unless you can put a copy of the comic with a suspect, it means nothing. He could have called himself Jesse James and it would be the same result.

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'Now we find it's been altered to resemble the handwriting on the ticket.'

Publishers use fonts from whatever list of fonts they have. This particular comic is printed in French, and I doubt the publishers even know about the DB Cooper plane ticket. Come on, Jamie. Think! There is NO comic book/plane ticket conspiracy going by the French publisher. Do you know how that sounds to most people when you say that stuff?

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'While most or all of you here are aware it's supposed to be "Hal's" handwriting on thet ticket, do a google image search for "dan cooper handwriting", the average person thinks it's the hijackers handwriting, a belief thats encouraged when they are shown the comic with script designed to cement that idea in their heads.'

Half the people in Washington State, if they are under the age of 30, don't even remember who the heck DB Cooper even is anymore. I have to remind them. "He was that guy who jumped out of the jet with that money..." "Oh, yeah," they say. But you can tell they only remember vaguely. Your claim sounds a bit tin-hat, and so far-fetched as to be almost laughable.

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'Additionally I'm not entirely convinced it's not the hijackers handwriting, when compared to my fathers signature. I'd like to see at least one other example of "Hal's" handwriting outside of the "DB Cooper" case for comparison!'

Ever walked up to an airline ticket counter and they let YOU fill out the ticket? Of course not. That's their job, and the fact that Hal Williams filled out the ticket for Cooper is common knowledge. Today, airline tickets are done differently, but back in 1971 it went like this: You went up to the counter. You said where you were going. They take out the blank ticket and ask you your name. They fill it out, take your money, and I think they give you a copy or something. "Have a nice flight," is the usual way it ended. The reason THEY fill it out is because a lot of people can't write legibly, and the agent is responsible for the accuracy of the ticket. Also, he has to fill in the price. What you suggest is similar to going into a 7-11 and when you get to the counter with your chips and beer, the clerk opens the register and lets you make your own change. This is a non-issue.

If it makes you feel any better, I told the History Channel that the comic book 'link' was just an unproven theory, and had not been connected to any of the suspects. The only way it would even be evidence is if the police searched the house of a suspect and found fifty copies of the comic hidden in his house. And even then it would be useless as evidence unless you found something else, such as a few bills from the ransom. It's just a dead end.

glad you did the right thing, dead end or not! we need to maintain the integrity of the story as best we are able.
I'm sure the French comic company is simply capitalizing on the perceived "DB Cooper" connection.
a popular enough theory for the History channel to chose it as a medium to present it as a memento of thanks?

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Your posts are welcome. but gimme a break!

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/pages/contact

I wonder when the program Hoax Busters will come to the TV - it is time.

Someone contacted me a couple of yrs ago about that but this perons had been trying to Hoax me for yrs and instead decided to try to help. This is when some facts became available that at least gave me a track to follow.
Such as the Uncle no one in the family talked about. Why? I still haven't found that one out. Duane was the only one who had ever mentioned him - Duane's brother and sister did NOT acknowledge this wealthy uncle who lived in Chicago and whose widow retired to St. Pete and remarried. His children from the marriage to Naomi disappeared off the FACE of the earth - we know they existed, but that is all. A family of secrets and we don't know why. (A name that would have been on the list in Duane's possession when he was arrested in St.Petersbury, Fl in 1957).

This Uncle was involved in Chemical WARfare for the Army in WW1 - and he was a chemist for Sherwin Williams out of Chicago - he was called back into service with WW11....which he served in Public Service regarding Chemical Warfare.

The man existed and was Duane's uncle but his history was elusive. Perhaps the family refused to acknowledge this man because of the chemical warfare connection....

Wonder what Blevins has to say about Weber in his book? Just hope it is accurate, but I expect this to be as he became more objective when he joined this thread and realized he needed some direction. He listened (sometimes stubbornly) but he came around and was then open to the fact - there are others out there who could be Cooper.

Actually this thread is the vehicle that assisted him and he said he would acknowledge that. Remember all the mistakes he made in the beginning regarding facts (we gave him hell...but, unlike Jamie - Blevins is an intelligent writer who finally realized that within this thread is volumes of research and intelligent researchers who have put yrs in to this case) at their own expense.

My "stuff" is all relative simple and most of the real technical parts were found by others - it was the CORE of my story that held the attention. I didn't know what I was doing or where I was going - and I didn't have a vehicle to hitch onto....and people can go back 10 yrs ago and 14 yrs ago - and my story remains the same.

What I didn't understand about what I knew - I have been guided thru by the guys here and by the many others who contacted me....we reach NO conclusive points, but no one has been able to say NO that Weber WAS not Cooper - at least not yet.

I don't remember who said what, but something was said in the forum and my knowledge that if I didn't make the trip NOW, I would never be able to make it, gave me the courage to draw-out some savings and get on the plane to OR and WA. I was there for 15 days and there are still things I didn't find and things I need to go back about - but, now it is in the hands of the Creator., I had to prove to myself the things I saw and the places we went existed and the things he said had meaning. I found all of it - my memory and my mind were intact - there was no "misremembering" or "story-telling" or "fantasy" involved.

At least I accomplished this and it proves NOTHING to anyone but me - other than proving Duane had a history in the areas and the information is still coming in.
If nothing else my trip got the FBI's attention and I have done almost all I can do.

The Coure d'Alene thing is not over and someone doesn't want that information available - WHY?

I guess if I was able to and could afford another trip it would be to spend a week in that area going thru old archived newspapers and arrest records and putting Duane's pictures in every Newspaper and Senior center for a 50 mile radius. I know in my heart and soul that if Duane was not - Cooper he knew who was.....and the key to this lies in that area....and a little of it lies in Bend, OR. and Sherman County, OR.

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It's true I believe the hijacker was Kenny Christiansen. It's ALSO true that I can't say he was with a 100% certainty. What really matters to me is the truth about the case, whether it's KC, or Duane Weber, or another as-yet unknown suspect.

If anyone can believe anything the FBI has to say remember this.

"We have a suspect on the radar who was Not on the radar before and we need for you (referring to me) to be quiet for a few more weeks." What in the hell does that statement mean?

Why do I need to be quiet?

What does if have to do with me in the first place if Weber was NOT Cooper?

Why would they worry about Harm coming to me? If Duane was not Cooper then why were these statements made in the first place,

The agent said that my ex- husband was not Cooper and based this on the DNA. I know my ex-husband was not Cooper - he was 5'7" with red hair and freckles. My deceased husband, Duane Weber is the one who said "I'm Dan Cooper".

I (of course) let them know what I think about their darn DNA. The truth is the FBI screwed up and they didn't get their man or they knew who their man was all along.

You'll Never Know if You Don't Know Now - the song Duane sang to me on our wedding night with a full band behind him.

I still want to know about this darn Book and the picture of the little girl. Photo attached. Sure looks like Tina Mucklow!

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