DB Cooper

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LOL Jo

If you have been there you KNOW. All those little towns have changed very little. It is not the logging mecca it was in the 1970's and 1980's when they were in full swing with a mill in every little town but there is a continuity there. The is a look in those towns... and anyone in a suit.. just is WAY out of place except on a Sunday morning

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Vicki,

How was the dumped couterfeit money traced to your Dad?

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Hey 377, I was going back and looking at old posts and missed this question you asked of me. Here is an article in the Capital Times, Madison Wisconsin about the find on the banks of the Mississippi River.

The story is titled "Say Arrest Here Will Halt Huge Counterfeit Ring":https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.4&thid=12c5d53d31cb6378&mt=application/pdf&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui%3D2%26ik%3D6278d1bd1b%26view%3Datt%26th%3D12c5d53d31cb6378%26attid%3D0.4%26disp%3Dattd%26zw&sig=AHIEtbQ7aqshx7LrxnNqJQUZ_pphhVYqOQ

it is continued on: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.3&thid=12c5d53d31cb6378&mt=application/pdf&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui%3D2%26ik%3D6278d1bd1b%26view%3Datt%26th%3D12c5d53d31cb6378%26attid%3D0.3%26disp%3Dattd%26zw&sig=AHIEtbQzd7bO-iif0EKV_93W1pfWiXW59g

and the article that shows the tie between the two.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.2&thid=12c5d53d31cb6378&mt=application/pdf&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui%3D2%26ik%3D6278d1bd1b%26view%3Datt%26th%3D12c5d53d31cb6378%26attid%3D0.2%26disp%3Dattd%26zw&sig=AHIEtbRsrw7F8avpw_X8-kBWtK8Itt_YuQ

Vicki

Vicki,

You are a breath of fresh air. You claim a family member was possibly DBC but no drama, no dogma. Wish everyone with a claim to Cooperdom were more like you.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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I do not have any evidence other than some memories from when I was seven and what I was told while we taped the Unsolved Mystery segment. In addition to what I learned while watching the show and some digging since 2006.

I did take a lot of the advice given to me by everyone involved on this thread. I called the US Marshal, John P. Donahue, in Madison Wisconsin. He has moved to greener pastures. I asked the person who answered the phone if anyone of the agents were left that remember this case from 1971. She directed me to speak with Paul Severs, as he was an old timer. He was reluctant to give me any information. I threw out the FOIA and he said I could put that in writing and submit it to their central branch. He said he could not tell me anything other than the case is considered inactive, but officially it is still open as there is not a statute of limitations on a Federal crime of counterfeiting Federal Reserve notes.

I did ask if my father's fingerprints were put into AFIS and he did not think so, as the case was 'made inactive" in Nov of 2001. I said maybe they should be looked at again or run in the database. He asked me shy and I said, well I think my father could be a suspect in the D,B, Cooper Hi-jacking.............after a pause and a brief long sigh, he said Well? huh? then said he had another call coming in.

I also sent a request for his military records. I received a letter saying that there was nothing found with the limited amount of info I had.

I called Leavenworth and received an e-mail stating they have no record of an inmate with his name.

Hah!!! I am still looking for some identifying information through his first family in CA. They just have not responded to my requests.

I did find a booking photo and his information written on the back of the photo in my pictures that were returned from Unsolved. I will post it

OK...enough of the drama...lol just an update on my progress.

Vicki

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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LOL Jo

If you have been there you KNOW. All those little towns have changed very little. It is not the logging mecca it was in the 1970's and 1980's when they were in full swing with a mill in every little town but there is a continuity there. The is a look in those towns... and anyone in a suit.. just is WAY out of place except on a Sunday morning

Jason's claim is so ridiculous - he needs to study the case and the area and the thread. I already knew what Amboy was and did NOT even realize I had been there before. I was really shocked at how CLOSE all of those things where. I would pull up to places and I knew - I was there before, but that makes me sound like Knoss and Jason and others.

I don't really want to leave this world with everyone thinking I am someone like Caretaker and Jamie...I am just not in that category. It makes me sick that I am considered in this manner. I have always said I wished he had taken his secret with him...I really really do. If I had known for one moment the FBI and others would conceal facts (WHICH I CAN PROVE THEY DID), I would never have gone public. I have emails and recordings...that will be left behind in the event anyone or someone can ever uncover the truth. I serious doubt the individuals I have directed this information to will hold on to it for very long.

I never in my life ever conceived this drama would go on for 14 yrs and consume my life. It was my choice and my destiny - because I hate liars and dirty government and thieves. If I had never had that conversation with a gentleman friend - I would never have known who Dan Cooper was.

For one yr and 2 months MY life was normal - and it was never normal after that....now I see a young man consumed by this and I believe I hold the KEY that would unlock what he thinks he knows. That makes me as crazy as I think they are!

Cooper left a lot of legacies - and one is now called the Cooper Phenomena unless you guys can think of a better name. Perhaps that is the book that needs to be written - how Cooper destroyed so many lives and forever altered some...the casualties of the legacy Cooper left behind.

One would start with the crew, the FBI and right on down the line. I have, but one problem - all of this connects to the 60's ALL of it. Everything I find connects to the 60's and N.O.'s and a company out of Tx, So much I do NOT tell because of innocent individuals I refuse to pull into this and they probably don't remember anything anyway.

The relative and the witnesses who told me things are all gone now - and there is only one more link to the present - a KEY that will pull the story together, but it will NOT prove Weber was Cooper.
A young man in N.O. who when I met him in 1982 was still young and boyish looking although he knew Duane from the past - but this guy was not any older than myself (not by appearance). He told me he and Duane went way back. I have always thought he told me his name was Alan, but i really really don't remember, but I remember his face. I remembered how nice he was and I felt sure he was younger than I was....and I found it difficult him in my mind to make his connection to Weber...just because of the age.

This is the same time I met the man I now know to be Barker - yes, Barker as in Watergate. There was another man present whose name also I do not remember but he was the host...a very very tall handsome man with a solid jaw line...I remember the shirt he was wearing.

The other man I was told about by Duane's family - a man who died in 1969, but who left scars and nightmares behind. Truth be known - Duane had reason to kill this man...and maybe he went back and did just that. This is the same person questioned regarding the JFK assasination along with a man by the name of Braden. Could Braden and Weber be the same person as I never found later records regarding this Braden.

Since I have absolutely NOTHING to loose at this point - and I won't be around to see the end result (if any exist) - I just as well spit all the venom out now.
What do I have to loose?

I believe Duane got caught up in all of this around 1962 when he was recruited out of TX and AZ and that he was still involved in 1964 while in KS working as John Collins, but he screwed up and ended up back in trouble. I think the Cooper caper was planned while he was in Jefferson (most of the reports about individuals claiming to know who Cooper was came out of Jefferson)...NOT the other prisons as they have claimed...and as Himmelsbach claimed they all went back to Coffelt. Was there a connection between Coffelt and Weber? I am not possitive about that, but they both worked for the same Company or organization out of TX.....they recruited ex-cons...I did NOT know this until a few months ago.

More later: Perhaps I need to summarize this thing up as I know it...because tomorrow might not come - one day I won't be here to tell the story or to help someone sort thru my research (I am already unable to do that)....fortunately I still have my mind which works "most" of the time. Somedays I don't know what day it is...like today.
I am loosing words and seem to be unable to learn new words or find the word in my mind I want to use...so I substitute.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Let Georger back on. He knows a lot about the Tena bar site.

Georger's ban has expired. If he's not here, it's not my doing.

georger gets a time out, jamie pops up.

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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Thank Heavens someone is not out here just making claims like Jason. You are actually putting substance and research behind what you believe.

The Reaction of the detective when you told him you thought your father was Cooper - is the same reaction I have had - suddenly they have a phone call.

Your father has never surfaced and they didn't bother to put his fingerprints in the system - there is something really wrong with that....sounds like they already know he is dead or has an ID provided by them, otherwise why not put him in the system?

Did the TV program do an age regression of your Father? I really find your story interesting just because you are doing the actual things that I had to do and Jamie just makes posts with absolutely NO substance and NO details and NO research.

Go Girl!

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Let Georger back on. He knows a lot about the Tena bar site.

Georger's ban has expired. If he's not here, it's not my doing.

georger gets a time out, jamie pops up.

and then you pop up with this.

I am not Jamie. I am not Rita Hayworth either.

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It was my choice and my destiny - because I hate liars and dirty government and thieves

Come on Jo. Don't get too moralistic here. Duane was two of the three above. You didn't hate him.

Watergate? Do you realize you've already linked Duane to RFK, JFK, MLK and the Bay of Pigs? What's next?

The idea that Norjack was a CIA job is completely illogical. I don't buy it. Govt conspiracies are usually just convenient excuses for those who can't solve civilian crimes.

Remember Freeway Rick? He was a drug dealer who spun some great tales of CIA involvement in smuging hard drugs into the US. He just won a trademark infringement ruling against a rapper using his moniker. The CIA allegations make for great reading, but that doesn't make them real.

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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47.717894, -122.759524 [WGS84]

N 47 43.074, W 122 45.571 [WGS84]

N 47 43 04.42, W 122 45 34.29 [WGS84]

[UTM] 10T E 518036 N 5284974

Sluggo, Are you sure that this is 47 degrees north latitude? My estimate, and the number given in another site, is that it is 45 degrees, plus a fraction of a degree, north latitude.

Robert Nicholson

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welcome back

"Once we got to the point where twenty/something's needed a place on the corner that changed the oil in their cars we were doomed . . ."
-NickDG

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I just gotta say...this thread is one of the greatest reality soap operas on the intertubes...if not the...greatest...


My dad was DB Cooper...(if you're old enough to remember To Tell The Truth) and I'll tell ya why...he did jump out of airplanes and he was alive in 1971 and had a receding hairline and we were poor...because he lost the money...and there's my proof...











just joking...well about him being Cooper...
but isn't it funny it's the con men that claim to be cooper...the "I am Cooper"confession gets lots of mileage...those guys can smell an unsolvable crime a mile away...in some cases a couple of thousand.


I am going to try to remember to watch the show on KC but I think this thread is more entertaining.

"Mans got to know his limitations"
Harry Callahan

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Yeah. After punching them into Google Earth, they're clearly in error.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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Yeah. After punching them into Google Earth, they're clearly in error.

unless the money was transported via submarine
to a base in Bangor Maine? I thought maybe it was a joke to see if people were awake, and maybe it is?

In any event just take those circles on Larry's USGS
maps, 1979-70. By most accounts the money was found within those circles. (use 45.717344 -122.759608 which falls within the circle on the
1974 usgs map.) This coordinate complies with
the location the Ingram parents and the sister-
in-law identified on site in 1980. The coordinate
is also supported by forensic evidence.

If you look at the excavation photos you will see
a navigation warning light(s) across the river
from where agents were digging at Tina Bar. This
photo alone supplies a coordinate and comports
with the circles on the USGS photos Larry presented.

You will notice that the coordinate above sits just
off the north edge of the northmost dredging dump
pile, as seen in the 1974 usgs photo. Please note*
This 1974 photo shows the dredging dump piles
'prior' to any tractor work and spreading of the
dump piles which are slumping back into the river.
Any alleged spreading work was done after this
photo was taken and allegedly involved spreading
over an estimated 50 yard area, only.

A total Approximately 91,100 cubic yards of fill were dumped in the two slump piles noted in usgs 74 and came from the channel location between river mile 96 plus 38 feet and river mile 97 plus 17 feet. This material was deposited in 4 separate locations of
which the Tina Bar location (consisting of 2 slump piles) is one.

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47.717894, -122.759524 [WGS84]

N 47 43.074, W 122 45.571 [WGS84]

N 47 43 04.42, W 122 45 34.29 [WGS84]

[UTM] 10T E 518036 N 5284974

Sluggo, Are you sure that this is 47 degrees north latitude? My estimate, and the number given in another site, is that it is 45 degrees, plus a fraction of a degree, north latitude.

Robert Nicholson

Just as an aside

There is a sign on I-5 between Portland and Salem Oregon that denotes the 45th Parallel Half way between the Equator and the North Pole.

http://confluence.org/photo.php?visitid=16318&pic=1

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Welcome back Georger! What is your opinion about the various reports about currency shards being scattered around the money find area? Didnt the landowners report seeing the shards?

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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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Did the TV program do an age regression of your Father?

An age progression was at the end of the Unsolved Mystery Video from 1997 at his approximate age of 70 and it is attached.

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You are actually putting substance and research behind what you believe.

I really do not know what to believe. I have never said he was D.B. Cooper, just a coincidence he disappeared in 1971 and matches the physical description. Carr asked for the public's help for this type of infomation.

I just thought I would throw it out there in case the "Feds" are still monitoring this thread. They have more power than I do to check his prints/background. Remember before 9/11 Government agencies did not like to "play nice" with each other and "share" information.

FBI Agent Coleen Rowley's letter for example: http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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EVickiW says in part:
He said he could not tell me anything other than the case is considered inactive, but officially it is still open as there is not a statute of limitations on a Federal crime of counterfeiting Federal Reserve notes...'

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This is incorrect. The Statute of Limitations was always five years on counterfeiting at the Federal level, although states have their own rules.

When Congress passed the Patriot Act, it also added counterfeiting to the list of terrorism-based offenses. This was because of the fear that terror organizations might try to flood the market with phony U.S. currency.

Because of the Patriot Act addition, the statute is now eight years.

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Welcome back Georger! What is your opinion about the various reports about currency shards being scattered around the money find area? Didnt the landowners report seeing the shards?

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Yes. Fragments were noted just below the surface in the area of the bundles. Fragments
fell of the group that the Ingrams retrieved and
were left behind. Fragments fell off the bills as
the Ingrams manipulated the bills in their kitchen. The majority of the bills were in a highly deteriorated condition. The photos we have seen here of the money represent the very best of the bills that
were recovered.

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Welcome back Georger! What is your opinion about the various reports about currency shards being scattered around the money find area? Didnt the landowners report seeing the shards?

377

Yes. Fragments were noted just below the surface in the area of the bundles. Fragments
fell of the group that the Ingrams retrieved and
were left behind. Fragments fell off the bills as
the Ingrams manipulated the bills in their kitchen. The majority of the bills were in a highly deteriorated condition. The photos we have seen here of the money represent the very best of the bills that
were recovered.

Considering the amount recovered was about $5800, what would you estimate the total mass of recovered, scattered fragments and nearly unrecognizable decomposed matter would be?

What I'm really asking is, do you think we're looking at the recovered core surrounded by ALL of the (heavily deteriorated and decomposed ) money Cooper was given, or just three straps of $20s?

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Welcome back Georger! What is your opinion about the various reports about currency shards being scattered around the money find area? Didnt the landowners report seeing the shards?

377

Yes. Fragments were noted just below the surface in the area of the bundles. Fragments
fell of the group that the Ingrams retrieved and
were left behind. Fragments fell off the bills as
the Ingrams manipulated the bills in their kitchen. The majority of the bills were in a highly deteriorated condition. The photos we have seen here of the money represent the very best of the bills that
were recovered.

Considering the amount recovered was about $5800, what would you estimate the total mass of recovered, scattered fragments and nearly unrecognizable decomposed matter would be?

What I'm really asking is, do you think we're looking at the recovered core surrounded by ALL of the (heavily deteriorated and decomposed ) money Cooper was given, or just three straps of $20s?

Quade, it's more than 5800 by any
conservative estimate. Twice that would not be
unreasonable based on the testimony of those
who were there, the number of fragments recovered
and bagged and sent in for examination, the distribution of fragments, etc - and I am still under
restriction talking about this.

Your "nearly unrecognizable decomposed matter"
hits at a vital issue affecting any estimate. Those
on the scene were more interested in collecting and
bagging 'recognisable fragments' as opposed to
'mush'. This is why Ive always said I wish there
had been core sampling, throughout the area.
Laboratory examination of those cores taken
throughout the field could have proved decisive
in making estimates, and in the forensic issues
at stake. But core sampling was not done for a
variety of reasons not the least of which was a
time factor.

Let me defer this if I may until a later discussion.
But I am giving you an accurate direction to reflect
on.

It's more than any handful of cash Cooper may
have offered anyone on the plane. That is certain.

While I have you: I have followed your discussion
with Robert about upper winds. I agree with your
basic sentiments on this issue (its common sense) but I also know exactly where Robert is coming
from and why ... the problem is being worked -
you can bank on that.

PS: Let me add this. Of the fragments bagged
and recorded well over 50% were about the size
of a quarter and easily recognisable as pieces
of money, some smaller than a quarter, some
larger, and some much larger. Most of the
fragments collected and bagged came from
within 4 inches of the surface. (This was all at
site no.1 which is the Tina Bar site. Site No.2
further south of T_Bar was given a superficial
surface examination and nothing found there.
Sites No.3 and 4 were not examined during Feb
of 1980. Later in 1980 site No.3 was given a
superficial surface & subsurface examination
but nothing was found there. Site No.4 was never
examined (to my knowlegde) unless Tosaw looked
it over later. It is worth noting that one of the areas
Tosaw had his divers examine was the wing dam piling areas adjacent to where 1974 dredging had been done.

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Georger, welcome back.

I'm back home after 2 weeks away (one extra night thanks to the blizzard) and I just cannot face reading the 20 or so pages since I went away, can someone please new stuff?
I did pick up some interesting stuff on memory that I'll post tomorrow ...I guess technically later today - now 2.30am here, I'm off to sleep!

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Georger, welcome back.

I'm back home after 2 weeks away (one extra night thanks to the blizzard) and I just cannot face reading the 20 or so pages since I went away, can someone please new stuff?
I did pick up some interesting stuff on memory that I'll post tomorrow ...I guess technically later today - now 2.30am here, I'm off to sleep!

I may be going out on a limb here but from what I can tell, there hasn't been any tangible new evidence. definitely none uncovered at least in the last 2 weeks.

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I may be going out on a limb here but from what I can tell, there hasn't been any tangible new evidence. definitely none uncovered at least in the last 2 years.

There...I fixed it for you.

Guru312

I am not DB Cooper

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I may be going out on a limb here but from what I can tell, there hasn't been any tangible new evidence. definitely none uncovered at least in the last 2 years.

There...I fixed it for you.

strange, I was under the impression the Tena bar find was in 1980?
has there been any other physical (tangible) evidence verified since that I'm not aware of?

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Makes sense to spend some more time on the Tena Bar money. It's real DBC evidence.

Georger, can you respond to these questions please?

were sites 3 and 4 for the dredging he's discussing, on the farm across the Columbia that was later the result of a lawsuit (because the sand affected it's farmability)

Or on the beachfront?

basically: the question is: sites 3 and 4, are they on the other side of the Columbia

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.