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georger 244
QuoteWhere did you get the I dea my tests ended up in Ralphs book. I never said thar at all. Now I did mention it to you and Tom and Larry all I got was a stare. Also the fazio bro s even mentioned to Tom and Larry that a lot of stuff from the washougal has ended up on tena bar. Month in 96 was Nov and I searched a week later.It is not the first you heard of this we discussed this before it is even in past post here on drop zone. Why do you want specifics Geoger? I don't mind giving them to you but I just don't want them to be a part of someone elses story. Jerry
what past post here at Dropzone? Post by you,
me, Tom ?????
I do know the Fazios have said, things from
the Washougal wind up at Tena Bar. That I know
myself...
[I can find no post on this forum about you,
Washougal, Columbia, tests or any of those
combinations ... I did find one reference to Galen
Cook doing tests on the Columbia from 2008.
So I cannot find the post you are referring to.
georger 244
I don't think your qualified to question me .
Have it your way Einstein.
Geoger it was way back not to long after I started posting. I could go back and find it. It took me 2 days to find the last one I had to search for.I have spent months on end up in that area doing searches and tests I even placed parts of canopys under dirt and debris and monitered the deteriation. Ive placed shirts in branches and observed them I still have items up there I'm observing. Your more than welcome to come up and check it out for yourself I believe that you need to be shown and see it with your own eyes. So theres your proof come see for your self. By the way. Don't purchase the Hot Spot that verizon sells it took from 11am till 7 pm to get my lap top to get a signal. You want proof of that also.Jerry
Geoger.My Mother told me I was smart like Einstein and I'm glad you agree. Mothers are never wrong. Isn't that right Orange 1
Well, all should open his months Parachutist. It looks like USPA has a writer who has solved the case!
None of the suspects lauded here are the man pretending to be Dan Cooper, they are all eliminated by actual evidence, odd.
Matt
An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!
So, start being safe, first!!!
EVickiW 0
QuoteWell, all should open his months Parachutist. It looks like USPA has a writer who has solved the case!
http://parachutistonline.com/feature/secrets-db-cooper-part-three-criminal-profile
For those who may not subscribe, a D.B. Cooper article can be found here in Parachutist.
(edit) Matt, Is this the one you are referring to?
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
EVickiW 0
Two more clicky's:
Part 1 - http://parachutistonline.com/feature/secrets-db-cooper-part-one-notorious-flight-305
Part 2 - http://parachutistonline.com/feature/secrets-db-cooper-part-two-evidence-absence
Part 1 - http://parachutistonline.com/feature/secrets-db-cooper-part-one-notorious-flight-305
Part 2 - http://parachutistonline.com/feature/secrets-db-cooper-part-two-evidence-absence
Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs
Robert99 50
QuoteGeoger. Do you have memory problems. Not only have we discussed the tests that I did we also discussed why the money ended up on tena bar. Do you want me to post the reason or shall uderwater divers explain.2 Hydrologist Yes it is also in Ralphs book that the army corps of engineers said that the money must have come down the washougal watershed. That is the only way the money could have entered the river . (Maybe you should stop working on Galens book with him so hard I think it may have fouled up your memory.) That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out. Hell there wasn't any other way. No other stream or river could have carried it to the columbia river so it would end up there. Unless you want to except Toms theory and a ship drug it up there. In 1996 I did test using Milk Jugs and small money bags with wells fargo writen on them Put them in the washougal during flood stage a couple ended up on tena bar I never did find one.This was discussed with Ralph Hope Of the FBI the case agent at the time and Ralph Hemmelsbach.On two of the Documentaries You'll see the size of money bags I used and it was mentioned in one of them.Not all items made it to tena bar one was found on a the bank at the mouth of the washougal cradled in a logs.Yes there was a witness.He can be produced Now unless you have done these test had one on one face to face conversation with any of thes people or any other way besides phones ect I don't think your qualified to question me . May I suggest that you get in your car or on a plane and come out here and we'll both do the test again.Jerry
Professor Thomas, I would greatly benefit from your wisdom and learning if you would answer the two following questions.
First, In the 1990 version of the Sauvie Island, OR-WA topographical map, there is an object at the north (downstream) end of Catepillar Island, and just a few hundred feet upstream from the money find location. The object appears to be the remains of a beached ship.
Do you know what the object actually was and if it has been removed from the river? Do you know when the object first appeared in the river? It does not appear in the 1970 to 1979 series of aerial photographs that Sluggo has on his site.
Second, Would you please explain the water flow patterns that move objects from the Washougal watershed to Tina Bar on a repeatable basis? For the movement to be repeatable, the flow patterns must be similar. Please give specific details. Smoke, mirrors, and voodoo are not sufficient.
Robert Nicholson
Cline. Spoken like a true leader. Jerry
Orange1 0
QuoteGeoger.My Mother told me I was smart like Einstein and I'm glad you agree. Mothers are never wrong. Isn't that right Orange 1
Oh, my mother was wrong plenty
All this talk about Scott makes me think of ---
-Janet!
- Dr Scott!
- Janet!
- Brad!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfNfQixs8yA
hmmm... is there a connection we haven't yet realised?
Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.
Farflung 0
Odd as this may sound, I’m usually more stimulated (intellectually) when there are some visual cues.
I crafted a map readers tutorial and photo interpretation graphic for those who also just happen to want to be Pirates AND Cartographers.
This may (just may) give some insight to the lost wreck of the pirate ship Catepilla-rrrrrrrr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTQ5eWBlApY
Yo Ho, Yo Ho…..
I crafted a map readers tutorial and photo interpretation graphic for those who also just happen to want to be Pirates AND Cartographers.
This may (just may) give some insight to the lost wreck of the pirate ship Catepilla-rrrrrrrr.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTQ5eWBlApY
Yo Ho, Yo Ho…..
Robert 99 No I have't seen those photo's I believe it is not remains of a beached ship. It's strictly old pillings and there still there. They were there when the money was found and some are directly across from where Brian found the money. There purpose is to hold guide signs for incoming and out going ships and as markers. They are replaced how ever never removed for habitat reasons.There are remains of docks. However I don't recall seeing any remains of a Beached ship in that area for a long time.Key word being recall.Water flow simple answer, a we bit of research on your part can answer that question it has been discussed on the forum in the past. A key to this question is that 75 miles down stream is a big pond that's water level is controled by the moon.It is a tidal controled river in that area except during heavy rain fall still the water line changes often. Bonnevile dam is located about 40 miles upstream from tena bar.at that point is when the rivers level is first maintained for the up river portion of the columbia. Im sure your familiar with the movie Twilight. in the movie there is a bridge the scenery is buitiful the name of this bridge is the bridge of the gods its located very close to the dam.There are other things in the river that does control the chanel depth. Also there are deep holes in this river that reach 120 ft level. Why you writing a book too and need specifics.Now I just gave some more info that could be added to some ones story.Post the photo's and I can tell you exactly what it is your seeing but I don't recall any beached ship close to the site that the money was found at least not with in a half a mile. Jerry
Orange 1 Thanks for the back up. Jerry
Robert99 50
QuoteRobert 99 No I have't seen those photo's I believe it is not remains of a beached ship. It's strictly old pillings and there still there. They were there when the money was found and some are directly across from where Brian found the money. There purpose is to hold guide signs for incoming and out going ships and as markers. They are replaced how ever never removed for habitat reasons.There are remains of docks. However I don't recall seeing any remains of a Beached ship in that area for a long time.Key word being recall.Water flow simple answer, a we bit of research on your part can answer that question it has been discussed on the forum in the past. A key to this question is that 75 miles down stream is a big pond that's water level is controled by the moon.It is a tidal controled river in that area except during heavy rain fall still the water line changes often. Bonnevile dam is located about 40 miles upstream from tena bar.at that point is when the rivers level is first maintained for the up river portion of the columbia. Im sure your familiar with the movie Twilight. in the movie there is a bridge the scenery is buitiful the name of this bridge is the bridge of the gods its located very close to the dam.There are other things in the river that does control the chanel depth. Also there are deep holes in this river that reach 120 ft level. Why you writing a book too and need specifics.Now I just gave some more info that could be added to some ones story.Post the photo's and I can tell you exactly what it is your seeing but I don't recall any beached ship close to the site that the money was found at least not with in a half a mile. Jerry
Jerry, I thought you were either writing or serving as a consultant to all the people who were doing books or TV programs.
For the record, I have been to Bonneville Dam, I have driven across the Bridge of the Gods, and I have seen that big pond downstream from Tina Bar several times over the last 65+ years.
Keeping in mind that the Columbia River level at Tina Bar is normally between 5 and 10 feet above sea level, and that the ole' Buttermilk Moon's daily effect on the level of the river at Tina Bar is less than two feet, most of the changes in the river's water level are due to water releases from Bonneville Dam (which is not a flood control type structure) and inflows from streams downstream of Bonneville Dam. So the Columbia River's level at Tina Bar is influenced greatly by rainfall and snow melts upstream.
Some people in the Vancouver/Portland area keep records on the level of the Columbia River. They even have a water level gage on the Vancouver side of the river and just east of the I-5 bridge. The data from that gage indicates quite a large variation of the river level during the winter and spring.
But you have indicated previously that inflows from the Washougal watershed routinely results in objects from there being washed up at Tina Bar. To be repeatable, the water flow patterns must be similar.
What was the river water level at the time you did your tests? Did you do tests at different water levels? Surely you thought to record such information during your investigation.
Robert Nicholson
Farflung 0
The attached image has the USGS representation of a ‘pier’ with a couple registration points added to an aerial image of said pier. Hey! it is not a pier at all, but a ship. One formerly named the Palo Alto.
Apparently during WWI there was some concern about steel shortages and it was suggested that some ships should be made out of more traditional materials…… like concrete. Yep, hard as it may be to comprehend; Uncle Sam was talked into financing the construction of concrete boats.
I guess they floated OK but were so heavy that engines were not powerful enough to move the things. Didn’t they have slide rules and pencils back then? So they turned out to be colossal losers and served no useful purpose. Nice going all knowing and seeing guberment.
So after building and sailing some concrete ships and winning WWI what would we do next? Well, prohibition of course. Some old bat got her flannel panties all knotted because she married some lush loser and figured he would have been Mr. Perfect if not for that Devil brewed liquor.
Then she gets some like-minded representatives to outlaw booze. Next some enterprising soul with a tape measure and a brain buys the Palo Alto at scrap prices (from the government) and anchors the thing exactly three miles off the California shore. Ferry service is supplied to the floating stone in order to deliver customers to guzzle libations produced by Canada so American’s could avoid the Federal law.
After about a dozen years of this abject stupidity there is a groundswell to repeal the 18th amendment. One may take a moment to ponder the depth and breadth of this blunder by the fact that there was more outrage displayed over limiting the production of alcohol than the existence of the 16th amendment which allowed the government to take a person’s income.
Proving once again….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RQrOHpJKvQ
So what does this have to do with Cooper? After reading the before mentioned tale, is there anyone who could possibly believe the government is remotely capable of orchestrating any type of cover-up?
Apparently during WWI there was some concern about steel shortages and it was suggested that some ships should be made out of more traditional materials…… like concrete. Yep, hard as it may be to comprehend; Uncle Sam was talked into financing the construction of concrete boats.
I guess they floated OK but were so heavy that engines were not powerful enough to move the things. Didn’t they have slide rules and pencils back then? So they turned out to be colossal losers and served no useful purpose. Nice going all knowing and seeing guberment.
So after building and sailing some concrete ships and winning WWI what would we do next? Well, prohibition of course. Some old bat got her flannel panties all knotted because she married some lush loser and figured he would have been Mr. Perfect if not for that Devil brewed liquor.
Then she gets some like-minded representatives to outlaw booze. Next some enterprising soul with a tape measure and a brain buys the Palo Alto at scrap prices (from the government) and anchors the thing exactly three miles off the California shore. Ferry service is supplied to the floating stone in order to deliver customers to guzzle libations produced by Canada so American’s could avoid the Federal law.
After about a dozen years of this abject stupidity there is a groundswell to repeal the 18th amendment. One may take a moment to ponder the depth and breadth of this blunder by the fact that there was more outrage displayed over limiting the production of alcohol than the existence of the 16th amendment which allowed the government to take a person’s income.
Proving once again….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RQrOHpJKvQ
So what does this have to do with Cooper? After reading the before mentioned tale, is there anyone who could possibly believe the government is remotely capable of orchestrating any type of cover-up?
georger 244
QuoteQuoteRobert 99 No I have't seen those photo's I believe it is not remains of a beached ship. It's strictly old pillings and there still there. They were there when the money was found and some are directly across from where Brian found the money. There purpose is to hold guide signs for incoming and out going ships and as markers. They are replaced how ever never removed for habitat reasons.There are remains of docks. However I don't recall seeing any remains of a Beached ship in that area for a long time.Key word being recall.Water flow simple answer, a we bit of research on your part can answer that question it has been discussed on the forum in the past. A key to this question is that 75 miles down stream is a big pond that's water level is controled by the moon.It is a tidal controled river in that area except during heavy rain fall still the water line changes often. Bonnevile dam is located about 40 miles upstream from tena bar.at that point is when the rivers level is first maintained for the up river portion of the columbia. Im sure your familiar with the movie Twilight. in the movie there is a bridge the scenery is buitiful the name of this bridge is the bridge of the gods its located very close to the dam.There are other things in the river that does control the chanel depth. Also there are deep holes in this river that reach 120 ft level. Why you writing a book too and need specifics.Now I just gave some more info that could be added to some ones story.Post the photo's and I can tell you exactly what it is your seeing but I don't recall any beached ship close to the site that the money was found at least not with in a half a mile. Jerry
Jerry, I thought you were either writing or serving as a consultant to all the people who were doing books or TV programs.
For the record, I have been to Bonneville Dam, I have driven across the Bridge of the Gods, and I have seen that big pond downstream from Tina Bar several times over the last 65+ years.
Keeping in mind that the Columbia River level at Tina Bar is normally between 5 and 10 feet above sea level, and that the ole' Buttermilk Moon's daily effect on the level of the river at Tina Bar is less than two feet, most of the changes in the river's water level are due to water releases from Bonneville Dam (which is not a flood control type structure) and inflows from streams downstream of Bonneville Dam. So the Columbia River's level at Tina Bar is influenced greatly by rainfall and snow melts upstream.
Some people in the Vancouver/Portland area keep records on the level of the Columbia River. They even have a water level gage on the Vancouver side of the river and just east of the I-5 bridge. The data from that gage indicates quite a large variation of the river level during the winter and spring.
But you have indicated previously that inflows from the Washougal watershed routinely results in objects from there being washed up at Tina Bar. To be repeatable, the water flow patterns must be similar.
What was the river water level at the time you did your tests? Did you do tests at different water levels? Surely you thought to record such information during your investigation.
Robert Nicholson
1996, was the year of the Great Flood of '96.
http://home.teleport.com/~jpaclark/flood.html
So Im not sure if Jerry's experiment is even
applicable to the period 1970-80. By Nov of 96
river levels had receded to about 10ft normal
at Vancouver. However, the flood would have
made wholesale changes in flow areas of
interest vs. topography and patterns the money
saw 1971-80.
Its kind of curious to me why Jerry chose 1996
to conduct his experiment, right after the period
of the Great Flood when so much topography had
changed vs. how things were from 71-1980 Feb ?
Water data is attached - the noisy graph is due
to the solar flare that hit yesterday...
377 22
QuoteI guess they (cement ships) floated OK but were so heavy that engines were not powerful enough to move the things. Didn’t they have slide rules and pencils back then? So they turned out to be colossal losers and served no useful purpose. Nice going all knowing and seeing guberment.
That wasn't the problem Farflung. Drag is far more important in ship performance than weight. If weight were a big factor those huge container ships would have to be nuclear powered to do 23 knots but they do OK with big diesels of relatively low horsepower (100,000 hp typical). A Boeing 747 has about 500,000 hp. A friend of mine is an officer on a medium sized container ship and he says he calculates that they burn about 60 gallons per mile.
The Palo Alto (which I used to fish off of when I was a kid, before they blocked access) displaced about 6000 tons and did about as well as any other ship of similar size with a T3 steam engine. That engine only developed 375 hp at full boiler pressure (nhp). It obviously wouldn't win any races.
In the 60s and 70s a lot of so called ferro-cement fishing commercial boats were built. They performed OK and were cheap to build, but eventually water would penetrate the cement and the encased steel rebar and wire mesh would start to rust. Cracks ensued. They could be patched, but what really killed the ferro-cement boat craze was a university engineering study that showed that the hull strength was directly proportional to the amount of steel used in rebar and mesh, hence the strongest ferro-cement boat would have 100% steel and no cement, so back to welded steel hulls.
There is a ferro-cement commercial fishing boat at Princeton harbor at Half Moon Bay, called the EOLITH. It's still shipshape and active.
If you want to see a real radical ship building idea check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk
I am awaiting details of Jerry's flow tests. If stuff launched in the Washougal ended up at Tena Bar that is significant. I know flow, storms, tides etc are big complicating factors in trying to model how the currency stacks might have travelled over that path, but still it is a big deal if Jerry has demonstrated at least a possibility that the Tena Bar bills orginated in the Washougal.
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2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.
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