DB Cooper

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..and once again the thread degenerates into a discussion about Duane Weber, rather than Cooper.

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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Sluggo was concentrating on the things he thought relevant - as he deals with numbers and facts, not people and their pasts. These 2 other individuals were more on the personal level - they wanted too see what made Duane tick - so they were looking for different things than Sluggo was.

So Sluggo travels all the way to FLA to meet with you. You allegedly have photos of Duane which more closely resemble the FBI Cooper sketch than any you have published to date. You don't show them to Sluggo because that wasn't his "focus"? What???? That sounds pretty flakey to me. His focus was Norjack.

Sluggo, chime in here. Tell us something about what your focus was and whether Jo's explanation about why you were not shown the photos makes sense.

Post the photos here Jo. Don't make this another tease.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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377 Why even discuss anything with Jo. Ignore her post and lets get back to researching real life suspects and important info on the cooper case and not this made up crap.even quade has sugested that her post be ignored.377/ Orange 1 any Idea's on Coopers drop Zone or a place to search.Jerry

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377,

Of course there were photos of Duane that more closely resembled the FBI composite but why would anyone reveal them? The people who see them would just steal them and tell lies and NOT do their OWN private research which is not for public disclosure at this time, now. Those photos from the past which were taken earlier should be kept away from all people who may see them before Cooper is apprehended and NOT afterwards at a later point in time from then.

If you have been following this thread; which has a greater word count than ‘War and Peace’ and ‘Les Miserables’ combined, then you would know what has already been said in public. Recall that Duane went to the river and buried something to throw the police off his trail. It had to be done. I bring this to your attention at great personal risk and I can only pray that I live to marvel at the splendor of another sunrise, the laughter of a child or to have one last meal at Hooters; assuming they actually serve food.

For it was the brilliant and intentional diversion of the buried money which triggered the next step in the ‘plan’ where upon the eventual discovery of this money, the person who buried it (as a diversion) would immediately and without explanation resign from a job (damn good paying one at that). This was obviously facilitating the brilliant ‘end game’ which resulted in Duane NOT being apprehended which was his plan in the first place. Otherwise, why would he have gone to the Columbia River (alone by the way) and resigned from a good paying job the day after money was discovered at Tena Bar?

I hope this clears things up for you.

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Farflung what is your thought on what area Cooper landed in.Jerry

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I no longer trust my own judgment about things on this thread. But it is a blessing no longer having to think and simply accept the honest and free (sometimes) information offered so nobly by others.

Le’me give ya an example of just how impaired and corroded my cognitive processes have become.

I’ve read over and over how the FBI composite is being used improperly and how unreliable eye witness accounts can be. So I did a little ‘What If’ exercise and imagined what happened if I found myself having to describe a couple of individuals. What would be a prominent and plainly visible feature to the point of being self evident?

You can see (Attach: Who Nose) what an utter failure I would make as a witness as my sense of proportion is warped to a level that Salvador Dali and Frida Kahlo would find freakish and painful.

That is why I leave the composite analysis and DZ geo-location to those with a better, if not much more frequent answer.

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I understand ! You are confused and love to write in riddles

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Sluggo was concentrating on the things he thought relevant - as he deals with numbers and facts, not people and their pasts. These 2 other individuals were more on the personal level - they wanted too see what made Duane tick - so they were looking for different things than Sluggo was.

So Sluggo travels all the way to FLA to meet with you. You allegedly have photos of Duane which more closely resemble the FBI Cooper sketch than any you have published to date. You don't show them to Sluggo because that wasn't his "focus"? What???? That sounds pretty flakey to me. His focus was Norjack.

Sluggo, chime in here. Tell us something about what your focus was and whether Jo's explanation about why you were not shown the photos makes sense.

Post the photos here Jo. Don't make this another tease.

377

I did not show the family photo album to Sluggo - because I was unaware of the resemblance of Duane to the OLD Rose composites. They are pictures of Duane as an older man...I did NOT see this until someone else pointed them out to me.

I did NOT deliberately with hold the pictures from Sluggo. These are pictures of a much older Weber and I did NOT see the significance therefore I concentrated on the pictures made during the early part of our marriage and pictures the ex-wife provided me of a time closer to the 1971 incident.

This was a natural thing to do.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Why use that picture - that was distorted, when the RELEASE picture from that same prison shows a different nose and so to pictures taken in 1971.

I was never able to reduce the Out Take photo from that same prison to a medium that this Thread would accept - so I can't get it into the thread. It is a very large file. (It is a full body picture - both profile and frontal). But try this photo taken in 1971.

Also attached is the PROFILE photo of that same mug shot - where is the big NOSE...?

Also enlarge the frontal picture page size and look at the thickness of the stems on the glasses he was wearing -1/4 to 1/3 inch pushing his ear out.

Also put the wrap-around glasses Cooper wore in 1971 to anyother picture of Weber - those glasses do a lot to camouflage the size of a nose...I know - I have done this most of my life due to my own nose which has a hump in it.

You guys use what you want for your own reason...but, these have been studied by 2 forensic artist who did not use a computer, but worked with pen and paper from descriptions given by witnesses in the 70's.

Since you guys seem to know more about this than they do - good luck. In the mean time I will use my time and money doing what I should have done.

If you guys want to continue to search for the DZ on this thread, good luck. I will work on how the money got to Tena's bar and NO Jerry I DO not have to fabricate evidence nor do I have to call anyone a liar - nor do I have to try to deceive others in order to distract them from a truth that is already within their grasp - just by confirming the connection of a property owner to a suspect.

Why were the river front owners never contacted? Some of them did not actually live on site, but owned property on that river...no inquires were EVER made of the river front owners...who had property there in 1971.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo you make all these references to Duane Weber and connect the dots the only problem is there was more than one Duane weber. Now! all your stories are made up every one knows it. Why do you want to make more? Jerry

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Blevins Replied:

Yeah, Jerry.

And I made everything up too. Everything is made up, right?

This is why I quit posting to this thread:
http://adventurebooks.newsvine.com/_news/2011/03/02/6173676-after-two-years-of-investigating-db-cooper-i-finally-took-my-life-back

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Jo Replies:

Yeah, Jerry,

Have fun looking for the LZ all by yourself on the thread - these guys have already done lots of work in regards to this.

To 377:
The probable route (per witness sitings) and the pictures of Duane will be revealed in the very near future, but not on this thread. The truths cannot be intimidated forever by any one individual.

According to Jerry everyone who makes a contribution that is NOT in line with what he wants others to believe is publically declared a liar. There is an actual witness to Cooper being on the ground - one who is afraid to reveal himself because of similar actions by others in 1971. These honorable people do NOT want their names and reputations smeared in the media. In 1971 individuals reported what they saw, but they were ignored. There was a fear the government would take away their land if they persisted. I do not understand what this taking of land was all about in 1971...or if it is real, but what I was told.

Individuals like Jerry would have the public believe Cooper just went Poof! Jerry's only goal in life is to control - people and the truth. Well, Jerry this is a different world. People DO NOT like to be intimidated - or told they are liars. Eventually these people BAN together and rebel against the strong arm of the government and/or individuals whose only mission is life is to suppress the truth or their freedom.

There are people crawling out of the woodwork to help me right now. Jerry when you assault people publically and demean them eventually someone steps forward...deciding enough is enough. You have been known to do this to more than just me in this thread and outside of the thread.

There are still decent people on this earth who think your treatment of me and others needs to be STOPPED. This thread finally made it's way into the public mainstream...but, I don't know how. It had nothing to do with anything I have done.

I originally came to DZ looking for assistance with the actual mechanics of the jump and for any clues that might be out there with the OLD TIMERS.

I got 23 emails yesterday and today - stating that you SHOWED your TRUE self when I made the suggestion about investigating the river sites and owners. Someone must have sent those posts to Multiple Key Individuals in the STATE of WA and OR. You would not even want to know what they had to say about you! MOST were puzzled NO ONE (including the FBI) never thought to pull all of the records on the river property owners from 1971 to 1980. What was more puzzling was why you wanted to focus only on OLD stuff such as the Landing Zone.

My real email address is posted in this thread

Homes4ubyjo@aol.com

This has been a crazy day! I don't know who is responsible for all these emails and I always thought you had to sign in to read this thread...or did someone just send copies of certain posts out to a large group of people????? Or do I still have an ANGEL on my shoulder?

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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There is an actual witness to Cooper being on the ground - one who is afraid to reveal himself because of similar actions by others in 1971. These honorable people do NOT want their names and reputations smeared in the media.

Jo,

It stretches credibility that a supposed witness to Cooper being on the ground alive right afer the jump would be afraid to come forward in 2011 because the govt might take his land.

The govt can seize land but unless it's part of a forfeiture in connection with a criminal conviction, they have to go through condemnation proceedings and pay compensation to the owner.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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skyjack71 asked about Duane’s photo:

“- where is the big NOSE…?”

Well I’ll be darned. Duane does in fact have a little, pinched, Florence Henderson, type nose after all. No one in their right mind would ever describe him as having a big nose, not ever. Clearly, I would be the only person to have made such an observation and given some very bad data to the FBI sketch artist.

skyjack71 also passively inferred:

“Why use that picture – that was distorted”

How would I know that the picture of Duane was “distorted”? You certainly gave no evidence as to how this was carried out and why, so what chance would anyone have of knowing this?

Even on Sluggo’s website, in the ‘I Am D B Cooper’ page on the section about ‘Duane L. Weber (aka John C. Collins)’ scroll down to where you are quoted “All I want is the truth,” and that same ‘distorted’ image of Duane is being displayed next to a 1988 sketch without ANY mention of this distortion.

http://n467us.com/

I’m sure you are in violent agreement that this error must be corrected as soon as possible. Sluggo must be notified and told to update this page indicating caution when viewing that photo as it has been ‘distorted’ by mean people who lie and conspire in an attempt to impede the truth.

The lengths some people will go through is astonishing and it makes me very sad. Who would distort his picture to give him the appearance of having a freakishly large proboscis in order to eliminate him as a DB Cooper suspect? Well it is good to finally know the TRUTH and how I was used and manipulated by someone as of yet unidentified. They have done no more than forged another link to add to a “Chain of Irredeemable Shame” (ref: Jacob Marley) which they will have to carry as an eternal demonstration in the afterlife of just what a petty and pathetic being was represented in their flesh and blood existence.

This just goes to prove, that I would make a terrible witness as I tend to focus on my perceived and totally incorrect pattern recognition (as pointed out earlier, before this post, previously). I have no idea what made me associate Duane with Jimmy Durante or what my problem is with describing people or situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCsJzFK7_as

Durante looks nothing like Duane and Duane is a complete and absolute match to the FBI composite drawing of Cooper.

[EVickiW 0]

It is all about Cooper!! and at a fair price. Get them while they last.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-RARE-Dan-DB-Cooper-FBI-Bobblehead-Doll-LE-100-/270714248570?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f07d39d7a#ht_544wt_905

Hmmmn......DZ discount?

Melvin Luther Wilson - Missing Person since September 1971:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03QLnFvk8Fs

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It is all about Cooper!! and at a fair price. Get them while they last.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-RARE-Dan-DB-Cooper-FBI-Bobblehead-Doll-LE-100-/270714248570?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f07d39d7a#ht_544wt_905

Hmmmn......DZ discount?

Looks too much like Treat Williams. I want one that looks like Cooper, or Duane.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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skyjack71 asked about Duane’s photo:

“- where is the big NOSE…?”

Well I’ll be darned. Duane does in fact have a little, pinched, Florence Henderson, type nose after all. No one in their right mind would ever describe him as having a big nose, not ever. Clearly, I would be the only person to have made such an observation and given some very bad data to the FBI sketch artist.

skyjack71 also passively inferred:

“Why use that picture – that was distorted”

How would I know that the picture of Duane was “distorted”? You certainly gave no evidence as to how this was carried out and why, so what chance would anyone have of knowing this?

Even on Sluggo’s website, in the ‘I Am D B Cooper’ page on the section about ‘Duane L. Weber (aka John C. Collins)’ scroll down to where you are quoted “All I want is the truth,” and that same ‘distorted’ image of Duane is being displayed next to a 1988 sketch without ANY mention of this distortion.

http://n467us.com/

I’m sure you are in violent agreement that this error must be corrected as soon as possible. Sluggo must be notified and told to update this page indicating caution when viewing that photo as it has been ‘distorted’ by mean people who lie and conspire in an attempt to impede the truth.

The lengths some people will go through is astonishing and it makes me very sad. Who would distort his picture to give him the appearance of having a freakishly large proboscis in order to eliminate him as a DB Cooper suspect? Well it is good to finally know the TRUTH and how I was used and manipulated by someone as of yet unidentified. They have done no more than forged another link to add to a “Chain of Irredeemable Shame” (ref: Jacob Marley) which they will have to carry as an eternal demonstration in the afterlife of just what a petty and pathetic being was represented in their flesh and blood existence.

This just goes to prove, that I would make a terrible witness as I tend to focus on my perceived and totally incorrect pattern recognition (as pointed out earlier, before this post, previously). I have no idea what made me associate Duane with Jimmy Durante or what my problem is with describing people or situations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCsJzFK7_as

Durante looks nothing like Duane and Duane is a complete and absolute match to the FBI composite drawing of Cooper.

But Duwayne was the best pick out of 3000
photos, according to Dolworth, Spivak, Chan,
and Repo.

Claims4UbyJ0 is the clear choice.

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The probable route (per witness sitings) and the pictures of Duane will be revealed in the very near future,

forgive us if we don't hold our breath.

No offence to anyone, but farflung's posts are about the only thing worth reading here these days... despite 377's valiant efforts to get things back on track. Me, I'm just too busy right now to be able to really spend any time searching for stuff ...

PS: I really thought Treat Williams was pin-up material as Berger, but once he cut that shining streaming gleaming [flaxen] waxen hair I lost interest. I'm pretty sure I saw the DB Cooper movie when it came out though

Skydiving: wasting fossil fuels just for fun.

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The probable route (per witness sitings) and the pictures of Duane will be revealed in the very near future,

forgive us if we don't hold our breath.

No offence to anyone, but farflung's posts are about the only thing worth reading here these days... despite 377's valiant efforts to get things back on track. Me, I'm just too busy right now to be able to really spend any time searching for stuff ...

PS: I really thought Treat Williams was pin-up material as Berger, but once he cut that shining streaming gleaming [flaxen] waxen hair I lost interest. I'm pretty sure I saw the DB Cooper movie when it came out though

Dont forget there's a lot going on behind the
scenes:

Them, they, those, and we are busy in Jo's
garage in Seattle ...

Blevins has finally found the Mox-Mox and Joe-
Brownbear reports.

And Thomas found a new keyboard with all of
its keys ...

Great Expectations are set to DECODE.

oH... and I am busy helping Galen write his
book, with the biggest brush I can find!

NEWS FLASH! Duane was Siamese twins.

Jo and Jerry finally agree on one thing:
Nefertiti flew over the Washougal ! And
some of her spirit remains are somewhere
buried along the Columbia, maybe at Fazios?
There was a documentary on this ... and Jerry
saw it.

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The probable route (per witness sitings) and the pictures of Duane will be revealed in the very near future,

forgive us if we don't hold our breath.

No offence to anyone, but farflung's posts are about the only thing worth reading here these days... despite 377's valiant efforts to get things back on track. Me, I'm just too busy right now to be able to really spend any time searching for stuff ...

PS: I really thought Treat Williams was pin-up material as Berger, but once he cut that shining streaming gleaming [flaxen] waxen hair I lost interest. I'm pretty sure I saw the DB Cooper movie when it came out though

So if a Cooper movie were made today, who would you cast as DBC? George Clooney? Kevin Spacey?

Real age, height and weight is not a factor with all they can do with computer graphics and makeup.

Charley Sheen wants the part but his demands for on-set hookers and drugs is way over the normal Holllywood allotment and the studio is balking.

Robert Downey Jr. said he'd do it for no hookers and half the drugs.

Farflung is angling for a bit part as a priest who does long term "therapy" for a traumatized Tina.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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There is an actual witness to Cooper being on the ground - one who is afraid to reveal himself because of similar actions by others in 1971. These honorable people do NOT want their names and reputations smeared in the media.

Jo,

It stretches credibility that a supposed witness to Cooper being on the ground alive right afer the jump would be afraid to come forward in 2011 because the govt might take his land.

The govt can seize land but unless it's part of a forfeiture in connection with a criminal conviction, they have to go through condemnation proceedings and pay compensation to the owner.

377

I was saying that many people did NOT come forward because of the Taking of Land in 1971 - NOTE: 1971!

This man did contact the FBI in 1971 per my understanding. There are actual witnesses to the plane sitings still alive and this man who turned in a report in 1971. They ARE NOT going to submit themselves to the ridicule everyone who has come forward has been subjected to in recent yrs. Many of these individuals contacted Margie Boule and others in 2001 when articles on Weber and others suspects and the crime in general were being done. (That was the 30th anniversary).

These individuals like myself gave up on the FBI yrs ago.

I think it is time that an OFFICIAL FBI agent contacts all of these old witnesses before they die - BUT, you can bet it will never be done. The individuals won't talk to a writers, because their identities would be exposed and their lives destroyed just as other lives have been disrupted regarding Cooper. They may talk to THE OFFICIAL FBI agent ASSIGNED to the case in person (not a field agent who has no concept of the history of the crime) and with absolute confidentiality their names WILL never be exposed to the public.

All the FBI has to do is look at the old files - the names are right there on the old reports - the witnesses stated the FBI agent did NOT take notes and wrote absolutely nothing down.

I spoke with someone in the FBI about this and their explanation was that some individuals feel intimidated by pen and ink - (the notes where then taken after the interviews)!??!.
I just do not swallow that story and I have more than one reason to state this.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo,

Just how did these witnesses in 71 conclude that the person they saw was Cooper?

I dont imagine the person was wearing a chute and tossing twenties.

377

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

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The lengths some people will go through is astonishing and it makes me very sad. Who would distort his picture to give him the appearance of having a freakishly large proboscis in order to eliminate him as a DB Cooper suspect? Well it is good to finally know the TRUTH and how I was used and manipulated by someone as of yet unidentified.

I do NOT mean Deliberate distortion - but the angle and the lighting on the prison camera - all ONE has to do is look at the profile shot made at the same time the forward shot was made and then LOOK at the OUT take photos made 18 months later. It is obviouse that his NOSE was NOT as big as it appears in that prison photo or the photo in St. Pete. The Out take photos are full body and I have NEVER been able to get those to sized down to put on the thread. Since they were faxed to me in the first place - the quality when reduced become lined real bad.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Jo,

Just how did these witnesses in 71 conclude that the person they saw was Cooper?

I dont imagine the person was wearing a chute and tossing twenties.

377

One accounting I have is verifiable because he told the wife he was married to about this when he got home from work. His work obviously required he work on Thanksgiving Day. I suppose in some occupations that was NOT unusually in 1971.

At any rate when he was driving to work that morning around day break - he passed a man walking down the road (the location I will not reveal at this time because of JT). This man was carrying a small suitcase or satchel dressed in what I have been told was a "brown" jacket that seemed out of place in this area. I do not know why he didn't offer the man a ride? I do question that?

Also he was NOT aware of the skyjacking that morning on his way to work. I figured he hatched the story at work after finding out about the skyjacking but, I now I doubt this was the case.

This particular locations was one I have screamed about for yrs and was told IT DID NOT EXIST, but it does. Even I discounted the story when I first heard it 10 yrs ago...I thought it was too far North. On my trip in Oct of 2011 - was when I discovered this place did exist and the walking along the road was NOT too far from a very very specific area I have described multiple times....I also realized in 2011 I had been there before.

I have tried to explain how memory and time and space works. A place you have only visited one time 1979 - and was not the one behind the wheel of the vehicle - the memory to store all of this condenses time and space. It was only this last trip and being behind the wheel of a car - I realized this. My expensive trip in Oct. of 2011 is when I realized how my mind had compacted things. Everything I had described actually existed, but I had tried to make them all fit on one small portion of a map...when in reality they where spread out from area further N. and then S. to Washougal. Note because of JT I only say further N. and do not give specific locations.

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So if a Cooper movie were made today, who would you cast as DBC? George Clooney? Kevin Spacey?

Real age, height and weight is not a factor with all they can do with computer graphics and makeup.

I don't even qualify to give an answer to that one - since I have only been to 2 movies in 30 yrs and rarely see the credits when there is decent one on TV. All the old ones are deceased or too old to play Cooper. I see someone on TV and think - he would make a good Cooper, but never can find out who the actor was.

Going to have to sell something to get all those Mekster Maps - this area encompasses a large area and they don't even know if all of the area was mapped in the same manner as Washougal.

Then I have to have the records after 1980. Lots of Money I don't have. Now I just have to depend on all of those people who contacted me to figure out how we can get these records and the cheapest way to get them.

Copyright 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012 2013, 2014, 2015 by Jo Weber

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Vicki just got off the phone with the FBI Call me as soon as you can> Jerry

WE HEAR YOU!

POST MORE PRIVATE INFO PUBLICALLY!

IT PROVES YOU ARE malfunctioning ?


VICKI! DID YOU GET JERRY'S CLASSIFIED MESSAGE?

[the fbi has no working telephone and/or no staff
trained to make calls ... so middle men make all
their important communications for them? This
method alerts Jo Weber who can then intervene
and post ..."]