skypuppy 1 #1 February 13, 2008 Ok, I'm not going to ask who, where, when, just who? Both shots are the same guy. The pictures were taken by chuteless, so cole is not really a clue. (Looks like there might be a problem with the first pic, I may have to repost it later)If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #2 February 13, 2008 Is that a pack of cigarettes he's holding in the right hand? No idea who it is anyway."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #3 February 13, 2008 Yes. Cameos, I believe. The when would be sometime around 1964.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #4 February 13, 2008 The when would be sometime around 1964. ?????were piggyback rigs used in 1964????? that was before my time... but i always thought that chest mounted reserves were the Norm...until late late 60's, early 70's when the early crossbow and other piggybacks came around..but i could be wrong...... I WAS wrong,,, once...jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim_Hooper 4 #5 February 13, 2008 QuoteOk, I'm not going to ask who, where, when, just who? I'll take a stab and say it's Jim Arender, US style and accuracy champion in the early '60s and poster boy for a Camel cigarettes ad campaign. Hoop Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #6 February 13, 2008 They actually had Jim Arender, fully geared up, in giant size billboard fashion in New York's Times Square in the 60s. It was a Camel advert and smoke (steam really) billowed from his mouth . . . NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,364 #7 February 13, 2008 Hi jimmy & Hoop, The first piggyback, the Security CrossBow, came on the market in the Spring of '64. It had the 3-pin main container; they converted the main container to a diagonal 2-pin in about '66. That rig with the 'Camels' in his hand is a Pioneer Para-Twin; the give-away is the ripcords. The Army Team got theirs in about '65 ( I believe that they had them for the Army-Marine Corp jump-off at Elsinore in '65 ). The Para-Twin came on the retail market in about '66 or so. That would make it not Arender; as I 'think' he was out of jumping by then. Now who it is? I have no idea. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 6 #8 February 13, 2008 This was the Arender print ad. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #9 February 13, 2008 Good guess, but the jumper is a Canadian (although that picture was taken in Fla. skies). This Canadian did move to the US. He was in to style and accuracy, though, in fact the second picture is at the Canadian Team eliminations in 1964. I'm sure the cigarettes are cameos.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #10 February 13, 2008 No guesses, Howard?If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,364 #11 February 14, 2008 Hi sky, Well, given that, it might be Daryl Henry since that canopy photo is of a 1.6; I think Chuck Embury came along after 1.6's were well into history. Daryl now lives in Santa Barbara and Chuck died last year. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #12 February 14, 2008 thanks for the history lesson guys..... i do remember reading the name Jim Arender and associated him with US Accuracy Team... that was during the time when name tags on reserves and helmets, were common...I do remember the Pioneer 3- Pin...made some jumps with one... nice harness, way better than a Four Pin !!!and Yes... they did have that distinctive bend in the ripcord handle... and on closer look , you can't miss the two which are shown on the first photo... as well as each of the corresponding housings... Notice the chest strap AND the bellyband!!!!! waaay before the days. of bellyband mounted pilot chutes... The second picture of the O. P ... is great... 28 Foot 7 T -U ... maybe a lopo,,, probably not...... Accuracy in the days when " men were men"... hahahaha.. Looks like " head down " was popular, even forty years ago !!!!! That picture looks like it is "pre- Pea - gravel ".. hahahahasorry though,, can't hazard a guess as to "who"... jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 6 #13 February 14, 2008 Quote No guesses, Howard? I don't guess. I either know or I shut up. It doesn't look like Chuck Embury or Daryl Henry and I don't know any other Canadians.HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dumstuntzz 0 #14 February 14, 2008 cross bow was introduced in 1964 or 1965. the pioneer piggyback was not too far behind(if i recall).in the picture the guy is wearing a pioneer piggy back(note the reserve handle. it is what was referred to as a life raft handle. i dont think i have seen them on anything but the pioneer rig back then.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #15 February 14, 2008 Yes, I guess I gave away too much. It is Daryl Henry. The picture was taken in Clewiston, Fla. Daryl was on the Cdn team that set a world record at the meet in Orange in 1962(? I think that was the year). I have a pic showing the rig from a little higher angle I will post later.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim_Hooper 4 #16 February 14, 2008 I don't guess. I either know or I shut up. HW That told me, I guess. (He said, blushing.) Hoop Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
longtall 0 #17 February 14, 2008 Hi Howard : I believe Arender lives in Santa Fe...." 90 right, five miles then cut."---Pukin Buzzards Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 6 #18 February 14, 2008 Daryl confirms the details as follows: "That commercial shoot in Florida was for a Canuck cigarette called Cameo..... Bill Cole photographed it..... and all jumps were three-ways, with Canadian team member Mary Lou MacDonald as my 'partner' in exchanging cigarette packs, and kisses. On one jump we climbed to 22,500 feet in Paul Poppenhager's 180, sharing O2, for what was then a Canadian altitude record." He also sent me the related print ad. HW Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,364 #19 February 15, 2008 Hi dum, cross bow was introduced in 1964 or 1965.Quote Believe me, it was Spring '64. Security paid for the first ever color cover of Skydiver magazine when it came out. '26 ft Lo-Po' (Dan Abbott) did a whole series of posts here about 1 1/2 yrs ago on the entire history of the piggyback development; and the lies that went with it. You might find his posts in a SEARCH. it is what was referred to as a life raft handle. i dont think i have seen them on anything but the pioneer rig back then*** They are used on a Strong tandem rig; L/H outside mounted reserve handle if I 'remember' correctly. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,364 #20 February 15, 2008 Hi howard, Note they both have their main ripcords just dangling. Probably had ripcord stops on them. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
howardwhite 6 #21 February 15, 2008 Quote Probably had ripcord stops on them. I thought the same, but I don't remember ripcord stops being used that early. I certainly didn't use one until much later. Although maybe a stow band, not a lead sinker, on the cable. HW (reviving my OFR rating scheme of several months ago, at least one Old Fart point is awarded to readers who have ever used a ripcord stop.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,364 #22 February 15, 2008 Hi howard, Quote I don't remember ripcord stops being used that early. They first appeared in Spring '64 on the CrossBow rig. Quote (reviving my OFR rating scheme of several months ago, at least one Old Fart point is awarded to readers who have ever used a ripcord stop.) OK, give me another point. JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WGore 0 #23 February 15, 2008 I guess I qualify for an OFP as well. Had sinkers on several rigs going back to 65. IIRC Crossbow rigs had the sinkers from the factory on the ripcord.GUNFIRE, The sound of Freedom! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wdy_bnckr 0 #24 February 15, 2008 Ripcord stops? I always got into a slight head up position,pulled and when the PC opened I put the ripcord back in the pocket. Never did lose one.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #25 February 15, 2008 (reviving my OFR rating scheme of several months ago, at least one Old Fart point is awarded to readers who have ever used a ripcord stop.) Quote Should be one point for a rubber band and TWO for a sinker. How many points is it again for actually USING a Jesus cord? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
