piisfish 140 #1 November 18, 2008 a part of equipment... but from which rig, and what period ?scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iluvtofly 0 #2 November 18, 2008 That looks very much like a freebag from a reserve to me. It also looks fairly new. Although I couldn't tell you anything more specific about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #3 November 18, 2008 Vector. Early 90's maybe.Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 November 18, 2008 Quote Vector. Early 90's maybe. I've never seen an old Vector freebag that had dual safety stows. I was thinking maybe something off of a Strong, but that's purely a guess.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mccurley 1 #5 November 19, 2008 Freebag off of a Safety Flyer??Watch my video Fat Women http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWkEky8GoI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #6 November 19, 2008 Quote Vector. Early 90's maybe. That's it... It's fairly new indeed... The rig had very few jumps, and the reserve was last packed 15 years ago... It had 4 bungies in a pretty good shape after all that time. The reserve PC jumped till bridle stretch when we pulled it, and the reserve opened like it had been packed the same day.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #7 November 19, 2008 Ok, I've seen a lot of 20+yr old Vectors and I've never seen one with two safety stows. When, why and for how long and why did they change it?--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tink1717 2 #8 November 19, 2008 Do I get a prize now? Skydivers don't knock on Death's door. They ring the bell and runaway... It really pisses him off. -The World Famous Tink. (I never heard of you either!!) AA #2069 ASA#33 POPS#8808 Swooo 1717 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
councilman24 37 #9 November 19, 2008 They aren't safety stows. They're o-rings. Pre safety stow modification. Why would be for more secure locking stows. Four instead of two. But I'm not sure I ever saw this type of bag. I remember two oring bags, still have a couple not modified, but not 4 o ring bags. But I'm old and have forgotten alot. I'm old for my age. Terry Urban D-8631 FAA DPRE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 1 #10 November 19, 2008 Tink1717 is right about it being a Vector freebag and Counsilman24 is correct about the "O" rings. These were used around 1984 to maybe 1987. The 4 safty stows started when, I think it was a Golden Knight that had a "bag strip" on a high speed malfunction.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phildthedildo 0 #11 November 19, 2008 safety stows have been used since 1982/83 when para flite designed and released it to the industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #12 November 19, 2008 Quote They aren't safety stows. They're o-rings. Pre safety stow modification. Why would be for more secure locking stows. Four instead of two. But I'm not sure I ever saw this type of bag. I remember two oring bags, still have a couple not modified, but not 4 o ring bags. Now I'm going to have to bust out the rigger's copy of Pointers when I get to the DZ, I have to look this stuff up. Its really interesting.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #13 November 20, 2008 will try and take more pics, have it in my car... don't know if the 4 o-rings have a relation with the size of the canopies. IIRC a Strong 300 or thereabout. (I don't have the rig or the reserve)scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 1 #14 November 20, 2008 Quote will try and take more pics, have it in my car... don't know if the 4 o-rings have a relation with the size of the canopies. IIRC a Strong 300 or thereabout. (I don't have the rig or the reserve) The 4 bite locking loops were used on the Relative Workshop freebags for a short time in the early to mid '80s. (Freebag, there's a misnomer if there ever was one) The Safty Stow replaced it, That's the elastic shock cord loop that we see today. The bag appears to be for a V-4 or 5. Measure across the top. If it's about 12", that's what it is. If it's about 14", then it's for a V-7, 8, or 9. It dosen't look long enough for a V-10.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #15 December 1, 2008 more pics serial number + the "brand new" spring and PC... can't imagine they are 17 years old I have nothing to measure for the moment, but the freebag is about an inch wider than my MacBookscissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 1 #16 December 2, 2008 Quote more pics serial number + the "brand new" spring and PC... can't imagine they are 17 years old I have nothing to measure for the moment, but the freebag is about an inch wider than my MacBook O.K. Now I'm confused. (Familier territory for me) The pilot chute is the "Ballute" pilot chute Bill Booth designed in about '87. The upside down spring and all F-111 (no mesh) was kind of radical but it did produce a steadier drag than the 1/2 mesh pilot chutes. (I got to make about 40 intentional cut-a-ways with Mike McCowan filming. One of the stills even made the USPA calendar, July of '87 I believe. Several good jump stories came out of that but they're for "Scary Stories From the Old Days") The part that confuses me is that the bridle perminately attached to the pilot chute. I would have sworn that the 4 bite, O-ring freebags were no longer being produced at that time. In fact, I thought that by '91 the loop on the bridle was large enough so it could be larksheaded onto the pilot chute. If the data stamp on the line stow pouch is not the same as the pilot chute, then it's a retrofit and would exjplain my confusion. As for the width, I might have been off on the numbers because it sure looks like a Vector ii, V-4 or 5.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eric.fradet 17 #17 January 1, 2009 here is an original one, with 4 loops ready to receive the "0" rings, I believe Piisfish's one has been modified since also as you mentionned the top of the reserve bridle is sewn tight, not with a big loop like it is now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
