PhreeZone 20 #1 March 4, 2002 Since the jumping season is returning to most of the States here shortly, ijuries always seem to follow. What is everyones opinions on things that every DZ's first aid kit should have? Lets say this is for people with miminal to no formal training (They watch ER though ).1) Assorted bandaids2) Gause3) Medical Tape4) Disposible gloves5) Burn Cream (Afterhours parties get wild sometimes)6) CPR Mask7) ??????What else should be here to give care untill further help arrives if needed or treat common injuries? Lets see what everyone's thinking is too...Cause I don't wanna come back down from this cloud... ~ Bush Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larry 0 #2 March 4, 2002 Jack Daniel's always works for me...Larry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #4 March 4, 2002 Get some rescue sheers too....marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #5 March 4, 2002 a knife or something to cut away clothes / cut bandages etc. And maybe a hip flask of port and brandy (2:1 ratio) You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 0 #6 March 4, 2002 Ice packsaspirin/ibuprofen/Motrin (a few different kinds cause some people are allergic to certain ones.) Ace bandage type stuff (stuff comes in handy for a ton of different things). triple antibiotic ointment or spray Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #7 March 4, 2002 Knifes aren't good for cutting stuff away...sometimes people get stabbed do to this...cops stab people unintentionaly well over 500 times a year in the US from trying to cut seat belts with non saftey knives...marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #8 March 4, 2002 This reminds me....What is a good method for cutting off a rig that will allow for easy repairs? Is there a difference to which webbings get cut?_AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com Yahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beachbum 0 #9 March 4, 2002 maybe an eye cup and wash, a couple of different sizes of finger splints ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #10 March 4, 2002 eye cupS....you bandage one eye..bandage the other too....marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #11 March 4, 2002 Do people not use triangle bandages anymore? They were a staple of my first-aid training..._AmICQ: 5578907MSN Messenger: andrewdmetcalfe at hotmail dot com Yahoo IM: ametcalf_1999 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #12 March 4, 2002 Yes...they are great...my kit has 5 of them...marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jabeln79 0 #13 March 4, 2002 Quote. And maybe a hip flask of port and brandy (2:1 ratio) I dont know about that ccombination why ruin a good port.Blue Skies Joe "When they say jump you say how high" RATM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beachbum 0 #14 March 4, 2002 Quoteeye cupS....you bandage one eye..bandage the other too....probably the wrong terminology ... I have one ... but don't know a real name for it ... I just meant the little glass (probably newer ones are plastic?) cup you put the eye wash into to try to rinse eyes with ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #15 March 4, 2002 >What is a good method for cutting off a rig that will allow for easy repairs? Is there a difference to which webbings get cut?1. No matter what you do, the priorities are to keep the victim's airway clear, monitor his breathing, be able to check for bleeding, and keep his C-spine stable (which generally means don't move him.) Don't try to save the rig until these are met.2. Once you can safely try to remove the rig, take off both leg straps and the chest strap, then cut the lateral straps between the main lift web and the container. (In most rigs, these are the easiest to replace pieces.) After you do that you will be able to lift both main lift webs/leg straps away from the victim-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #16 March 4, 2002 Bill the one problem with rigs is that the patient is now lying on a hump...the key in maintaining the Cspine is to make sure the neck is straight out..not low or high...which can be difficult if they are lying on the ground...one way is if they are still face down or lying on there side an Idea is to maintain Cspine while in this position then get the rig off of them, Then do the a barrel roll to get him(or her) over to her back.....if they have a spinal injury and some one rolls them onto there rig..you might help them to not walk again....but as Bill asserted #1 priority is Airway/Cspine...then breathing....circulation....yada yada yada.....marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #17 March 4, 2002 >What is everyones opinions on things that every DZ's first aid kit should have?>Lets say this is for people with miminal to no formal training (They watch ER though ).First off, training is way more important than having a good kit. In some cases you can do more harm than good with a first aid kit, so make sure that there are at least a few regulars who know what to do (and more importantly, what not to do) if there is an emergency.We have two kits - a regular kit with aspirin, burn cream, gauze, band-aids etc and a trauma kit. The thinking there is that no one cares too much if the basic kit gets raided, but the trauma kit is reserved so it will be stocked when you really need it.Our trauma kit is pretty well stocked. We have a CPR mask, 4x4's, tape, Koban and Ace bandages, saline, D5W, a few blades, a few large bore needles, glucose paste, gloves, blood pressure cuff, stethoscope and I think we have an inflatable splint in there. We couldn't fit a C-collar in the box.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #18 March 4, 2002 >one way is if they are still face down or lying on there side an Idea is to maintain Cspine while in this >position then get the rig off of them, Then do the a barrel roll to get him(or her) over to her back..I agree 100%. My fear is that someone will bounce and end up on their side (for example) but keep a good airway, and then someone will try to roll them just because they think the victim should be on their back. As you mentioned, unless you have someone who knows how to maintain Cspine protection, that can be really hard on an unstable spine. I had a friend of mine who had such a landing, and she owes her ability to walk to a jumper who wouldn't let anyone move her until spinal precautions were in place. (In fact, the position she ended up in - on her side - also allowed her mouth to drain, which went a long way towards keeping her airway open.)-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #19 March 4, 2002 Amen....even if I dont have a kit...I can do more with just simple training....Training is key. it is amazing that in a sport such as this the DZ's dont have an EMT at the least standby or have one of there staff go to a course....but hey....there usualy is someone like me around anyway...marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
n2skdvn 0 #20 March 4, 2002 at my dz we have a first aid kit + trauma supplys and a spineboard(my brother donated it to the dz hes a paramedic)i think dz should try and have first aid classes every once in awhile so you will have competent people around in case of an emergencydont let your mind wander.....its to little to be left alone...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #21 March 4, 2002 >Our trauma kit is pretty well stocked . . .Oh, and forgot perhaps the most important - a good pair of bandage shears. They will cut through jumpsuits, rig webbing, and sneakers without cutting the skin beneath. Obviously you have to be careful with them around open wounds but they are great for getting clothing off quickly.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #22 March 4, 2002 Also a back board. If everyone knows how to do it, you can have them packaged and ready to go when the pro's get there.Hook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #23 March 4, 2002 Unless the pro's are already there marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #24 March 4, 2002 I suggested a knife cos I can't spell scissors. Quote why ruin a good port. This drink will and has dissolved a stainless steel hip flask over a year. You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fred 0 #25 March 5, 2002 QuoteAlso a back board. If everyone knows how to do it, you can have them packaged and ready to go when the pro's get there.This makes me nervous. I would like to wait for the pros. Please don't try to "package me up" before they get there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
