QuickDraw 0 #1 February 25, 2002 Ok it's a few week,s away now, and i am just wondering what are the "classic" disciplines that people fail on most ?ie. turns, shape, canopy control...what have you...I have the skydiver,s hand book and have read these page,s to death, but you alway,s seem to overlook something, while i feel confident i am now worried that i might be over confident.(and i know i have to treat it as fun too) Appreciation in advance. ps: Do student,s have to pay for reserve re-pack,s ? If it's got tit's or wheel,s..it's trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveMonkey 0 #2 February 25, 2002 It took me a few dives to get backloops right (on RAPS). And no, students don't pay for reserve repacks You shouldn't put a knife in the toaster - but you're an adult now !!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #3 February 25, 2002 In our program, most failures occur on our level 3, a partial release with turns. It is the first time the student is flying almost completely on his own, and some have trouble making that transition.>ps: Do student,s have to pay for reserve re-pack,s ? Only if they do something really, really dumb . . .-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #4 February 25, 2002 Spins or turns that just keep on going usualy during the level 3 release dive and up...usualy cause by some sort of asymetry in the legs.....marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #5 February 25, 2002 Which.... is toe-tap country right ?If it's got tit's or wheel,s..it's trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #6 February 25, 2002 You gots it my friend....where you gonna do your AFF at?marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emmie 0 #7 February 25, 2002 Hi I have alot of experience with failure in AFF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #8 February 25, 2002 >Which.... is toe-tap country right ?There's a dozen reasons for uncontrolled turns - arm problems, failure to look in the right direction, leg problems, leg, arm or back assymetry due to previous injury, even jumpsuit and rig problems can cause uncommanded turns. Sometimes toe taps work, sometimes I actually have to teach students leg turns at level III to give them enough turning power to overcome the assymetry.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites QuickDraw 0 #9 February 25, 2002 SDSebastian, can't wait, and just hope and pray the weather stay,s with us.(and i don't make a compete arse of myself) If it's got tit's or wheel,s..it's trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sebazz1 2 #10 February 25, 2002 The things I see as common problems for AFF students in freefall is leg awareness issues. It seems common to see students with heels on their butts or knees reall reall far apart, but we have signals to correct that.Canopy control is very very important. Locating the landing area and staying upwind of your target are mucho important and performing the correct landing pattern. We had a student who's radio cut out on him and the approach and landing were just ugly... At our DZ we have students pay for their pack job on their main but not the reserve. Unless of course they pop it on the ground or something accidently....I got spring fever.........I can't come in today..............Seb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites QuickDraw 0 #11 February 26, 2002 Hopefully, i will get the chance to visit sky venture whilst over there, if $135 (for 10 minutes *ouch*) will save me some repeat level,s IMHO it's money well spent.If it's got tit's or wheel,s..it's trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #12 February 26, 2002 Well, I learned to jump there before Mick came over from lake wales...But they do have some of the best people to instruct you...I hope the weather is good for ya too...just pay very close attention to the wind sock..you can climb into the otter and it'll be blowing east....under canopy it will be blowing westand Bill is right.....my turns were caused by my asymetric legs...I did a few toe taps..and it helped me out...But that doesn't mean it will be that way for you...or that you will even have that problem.Just remember to Smile in freefall...and RELAX...it helps out so much......marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites txojumps 0 #13 February 26, 2002 Relax, relax, relax uh, did I mention relax...have a good jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skymedic 0 #14 February 26, 2002 although it is hard to relax when the someone is trying to shove a planet up your ass.....(not my quote, but something that I thought was very true...)marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites QuickDraw 0 #15 February 26, 2002 ROFL If it's got tit's or wheel,s..it's trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fred 0 #16 February 26, 2002 I can't tell you about most, but I can tell you about mine.Relaxing was my biggest issue. I'm generally a very stressed individual, and accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2 did nothing to make me more comfortable. This led to stability problems and turns throughout my SL and AFF training.The biggest thing that helped me was realizing that I had lots of time. I could sit there and get a good read off the altimeter, prepare to do the turn, do the turn *slowly*, and recover. Just because I was falling at 120MPH, doesn't mean I had to actually move that fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lazerq3 0 #17 February 26, 2002 QuoteThe biggest thing that helped me was realizing that I had lots of timeI think that is a BIG thing to realize!!! It seems like 30 to 40 seconds is quick but up there its a lot of time. I remember doing my grad jump thinking theres no way I can do a front flip. left 360 right 360, backflip, track and pull in 30 to forty 40secs, but when your actually upp there doing it it feels like forever. Of coarse dont take too much time. THe ground is stll rushing up at you!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites hooked 0 #18 February 26, 2002 Very FUNNY!J Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyhawk 2 #19 February 26, 2002 u reapeated 5 a couple of times trhen a mate took me for a drive told me to stick my hand out the windwo :) next time i passed lolthe only thing you learn at school is to memorize Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nick 0 #20 February 26, 2002 QuickDrawTunnel time is well worth it for AFF (IMHO), I got 10 minutes after level 3 and got through the rest without any repeats.Nick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites PhillyKev 0 #21 February 26, 2002 Relaxation is definitely key. Best way to achieve it is look up and out at the horizon as far as you can see and take a deep breath. I had problems chipping because I was too stiff and that would immediately cure it every time.cielos azules y cerveza fría-Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MyUserID 0 #22 February 26, 2002 I failed level two because my legs were everywhere. I worked that problem out in the wind tunnel and passed every level thereafter. The tunnel is a great tool, but I wouldnt look at it as a solution. I would hold off on the tunnel idea until you discover what your weaknesses are. Then, you can use the tunnel to work those weaknesses out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rendezvous 0 #23 February 26, 2002 Just keep in mind, when you get out of the plane you have 13000 feet under you. It's a long way down. You'll have all the time you need. Just focus on arching nice and hard. When your JM says arch, believe me he means really ! really ! ARCH ! ....... and like everyone has been saying, focus on those legs. Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. When you get out of the plane focus on your body and how it should feel and look in the air. Picture it. Don't picture the ground at 13000 feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sebazz1 2 #24 February 26, 2002 Slow is Smooth and Smooth is Fast...........Take your time and breath..........I got spring fever.........I can't come in today..............Seb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Muenkel 0 #25 February 26, 2002 Just 8 weeks till my AFF just up the road from you in Titusville. Part of my training includes the tunnel in Orlando. I've been told that the tunnel training helps alot. The common theme I have heard from everyone is to just relax and have fun. 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billvon 2,998 #8 February 25, 2002 >Which.... is toe-tap country right ?There's a dozen reasons for uncontrolled turns - arm problems, failure to look in the right direction, leg problems, leg, arm or back assymetry due to previous injury, even jumpsuit and rig problems can cause uncommanded turns. Sometimes toe taps work, sometimes I actually have to teach students leg turns at level III to give them enough turning power to overcome the assymetry.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #9 February 25, 2002 SDSebastian, can't wait, and just hope and pray the weather stay,s with us.(and i don't make a compete arse of myself) If it's got tit's or wheel,s..it's trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #10 February 25, 2002 The things I see as common problems for AFF students in freefall is leg awareness issues. It seems common to see students with heels on their butts or knees reall reall far apart, but we have signals to correct that.Canopy control is very very important. Locating the landing area and staying upwind of your target are mucho important and performing the correct landing pattern. We had a student who's radio cut out on him and the approach and landing were just ugly... At our DZ we have students pay for their pack job on their main but not the reserve. Unless of course they pop it on the ground or something accidently....I got spring fever.........I can't come in today..............Seb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #11 February 26, 2002 Hopefully, i will get the chance to visit sky venture whilst over there, if $135 (for 10 minutes *ouch*) will save me some repeat level,s IMHO it's money well spent.If it's got tit's or wheel,s..it's trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #12 February 26, 2002 Well, I learned to jump there before Mick came over from lake wales...But they do have some of the best people to instruct you...I hope the weather is good for ya too...just pay very close attention to the wind sock..you can climb into the otter and it'll be blowing east....under canopy it will be blowing westand Bill is right.....my turns were caused by my asymetric legs...I did a few toe taps..and it helped me out...But that doesn't mean it will be that way for you...or that you will even have that problem.Just remember to Smile in freefall...and RELAX...it helps out so much......marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
txojumps 0 #13 February 26, 2002 Relax, relax, relax uh, did I mention relax...have a good jump Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #14 February 26, 2002 although it is hard to relax when the someone is trying to shove a planet up your ass.....(not my quote, but something that I thought was very true...)marcBSBD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QuickDraw 0 #15 February 26, 2002 ROFL If it's got tit's or wheel,s..it's trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fred 0 #16 February 26, 2002 I can't tell you about most, but I can tell you about mine.Relaxing was my biggest issue. I'm generally a very stressed individual, and accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2 did nothing to make me more comfortable. This led to stability problems and turns throughout my SL and AFF training.The biggest thing that helped me was realizing that I had lots of time. I could sit there and get a good read off the altimeter, prepare to do the turn, do the turn *slowly*, and recover. Just because I was falling at 120MPH, doesn't mean I had to actually move that fast. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lazerq3 0 #17 February 26, 2002 QuoteThe biggest thing that helped me was realizing that I had lots of timeI think that is a BIG thing to realize!!! It seems like 30 to 40 seconds is quick but up there its a lot of time. I remember doing my grad jump thinking theres no way I can do a front flip. left 360 right 360, backflip, track and pull in 30 to forty 40secs, but when your actually upp there doing it it feels like forever. Of coarse dont take too much time. THe ground is stll rushing up at you!!!jason Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyhawk 2 #19 February 26, 2002 u reapeated 5 a couple of times trhen a mate took me for a drive told me to stick my hand out the windwo :) next time i passed lolthe only thing you learn at school is to memorize Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nick 0 #20 February 26, 2002 QuickDrawTunnel time is well worth it for AFF (IMHO), I got 10 minutes after level 3 and got through the rest without any repeats.Nick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhillyKev 0 #21 February 26, 2002 Relaxation is definitely key. Best way to achieve it is look up and out at the horizon as far as you can see and take a deep breath. I had problems chipping because I was too stiff and that would immediately cure it every time.cielos azules y cerveza fría-Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MyUserID 0 #22 February 26, 2002 I failed level two because my legs were everywhere. I worked that problem out in the wind tunnel and passed every level thereafter. The tunnel is a great tool, but I wouldnt look at it as a solution. I would hold off on the tunnel idea until you discover what your weaknesses are. Then, you can use the tunnel to work those weaknesses out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rendezvous 0 #23 February 26, 2002 Just keep in mind, when you get out of the plane you have 13000 feet under you. It's a long way down. You'll have all the time you need. Just focus on arching nice and hard. When your JM says arch, believe me he means really ! really ! ARCH ! ....... and like everyone has been saying, focus on those legs. Just because we don't see them doesn't mean they don't exist. When you get out of the plane focus on your body and how it should feel and look in the air. Picture it. Don't picture the ground at 13000 feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sebazz1 2 #24 February 26, 2002 Slow is Smooth and Smooth is Fast...........Take your time and breath..........I got spring fever.........I can't come in today..............Seb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muenkel 0 #25 February 26, 2002 Just 8 weeks till my AFF just up the road from you in Titusville. Part of my training includes the tunnel in Orlando. I've been told that the tunnel training helps alot. The common theme I have heard from everyone is to just relax and have fun. Good luck and let us know how it goes."I am a victim of my environment."Chris Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
