freebird 0 #1 January 19, 2002 I was in position and ready to pull. Went to pull nope. again......nope......harder oh no Im no stable but finally it came out...........freebird Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #2 January 19, 2002 Just remember try once, try twice, hit the silver.I want to touch the sky, I want to fly so high ~ Sonique Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #3 January 19, 2002 OK, I know Im "dim" and all, but wouldn't you cutaway right before the silver???????????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #4 January 19, 2002 If you have'nt pulled anything its a high speed mal. What is there to cutaway? You can cutaway and then hit the silver, but if nothing is behind you trailing (No PC, no canopy) Cutting away really does'nt help you, it might only waste time. Its the same thing as not find your handle or having a pud in tow. You can't pull anything out and cutting it away is just a unnessasary step in the emercency procedures.I want to touch the sky, I want to fly so high ~ Sonique Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NtheSeaOrSky 0 #5 January 19, 2002 I was told that a deploying reserve might be enough to dislodge" the main from the rig = 2 out = not good Mav. Maybe I misunderstood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #6 January 19, 2002 Deploying a Reserve is sometimes enough to release the pressure on a main container and let the canopy fall out IF there is something pulling on the closing pin. IE, a Pilot chute in tow or some thing like that.If there is nothing pulling tension on the Closing pin, then it will just sit there. If you don't have a pilot chute pulling the bag out og the container, then the bag will fall out really slowly and you can feel this happening will need to clear the horseshoe (PC is still in the BOC/ROL) before cutting it away before it reaches the point of inflation.I've poped my reserve on the ground and left the main in the container. The pin never moved. I had to apply tension on the pin to open the container to remove the main for the reserve repack.I want to touch the sky, I want to fly so high ~ Sonique Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #7 January 19, 2002 Another thing to consider is that if you cutaway unecessarily you will have two free (and trapped by riser covers) risers that can (and I've seen it happen) snag your reserve during deployment. This is suspected in killing several jumpers and sevearely injuring others. Friend of mine had PC in tow and cutaway first then pulled reserve. The loose, but not totally free risers, caught the reserve slider on deployment and then road up the lines trying to collapse it.Now, do you want two canopies out or an entanglement? There's instructional videos on two canopies out but I don't think there's any certain way to try and get an entaglement that you can't reach undone. Just some things to think about.Chris SchindlerD-19012ATP/CFIIwww.DiverDriver.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aviatrr 0 #8 January 20, 2002 Quote Another thing to consider is that if you cutaway unecessarily you will have two free (and trapped by riser covers) risers that can (and I've seen it happen) snag your reserve during deployment. THAT is why I will not cutaway on a total.....and that's why I suggest the same to others..Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #9 January 21, 2002 >I was told that a deploying reserve might be enough to dislodge" the main from the rig = 2 out = not good.If you cannot pull the main PC/pud/ripcord, then there is little risk of the main deploying. If any part of the deployment system is out (the ripcord is partially pulled, the PC is out but not doing its job) then you are correct - reserve deployment may cause the main to inflate.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #10 January 22, 2002 pilot chute in tow, cut away first or not? i know what i was instructed to do, but would love to hear other's response. i'm curious now on just what to do in an actual mal(s) of this type. what would be your suggestion?Richard"Gravity Is My Friend" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #11 January 22, 2002 >pilot chute in tow, cut away first or not? I recommend cutting away if any part of your main begins to deploy, including your PC.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rgoper 0 #12 January 22, 2002 thank you. that was what i was instructed to do in AFP.Richard"Gravity Is My Friend" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E150 0 #13 January 22, 2002 Very true. But why have 2 different reserve proceedures? Surley its better to stick to one (cut away, reserve). Yip - I'd cut away from a polit-chute in tow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #14 January 22, 2002 Unless that one procedure would add to the problem rather than help. That was the point of the story I told which I know has happened more than once. If you cutaway but your risers are covered by the keepers then you can have loose risers which can then catch and entangle with the deploying reserve and rendering it useless. Dealing with two canopies out is a much more "controlled" (relative term) environment than an entanglement.1. Make sure you pull at an altitude that you can handle emergencies.2. Don't box yourself into a corner with only one procedure. One size does not fit all.Chris SchindlerD-19012ATP/CFIIwww.DiverDriver.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #15 January 22, 2002 Quote2. Don't box yourself into a corner with only one procedure. One size does not fit all.Exactly! Do I have multiple emergency procedures? Yep, actually I have lots of them. And would I handle the same mal differently at different times? Yep. Like a 2 canopy out at 1400 feet... Land them in the most stable configuration possible. Now how about a 2 canopy out at 14000 feet? Yeah... that one is a bit different huh? Still same goal in mind, land safe, but I'd handle them different. Personally, I'd ride them down to a mid-level (5500-6000) and then induce a downplane to allow a clean cutaway. Is this recommended by many people? Not really, but this is what I was taught to do by some CReW people and I like how they explained it to me. Did I question it? HELL Yeah I did, but after getting lots of opinions I changed my emergency procedure for that type of situation.Keep asking questions and weighing the benifit or risk to decide what YOU want to do up there......I want to touch the sky, I want to fly so high ~ Sonique Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #16 January 22, 2002 QuoteVery true. But why have 2 different reserve proceedures? Surley its better to stick to one (cut away, reserve).Only practice the one method if you're comfortable with that to begin with. As you gain more confidence of your ability to respond to an emergency expand your "response plans" to include other solutions that give you better odds. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #17 January 22, 2002 >Very true. But why have 2 different reserve proceedures? Surley its better to stick to one (cut away, reserve). Well, you're right in a way - with one procedure, it's unlikely you will choose the wrong one in an emergency. However, if you are going to cut away from a total, make sure your riser covers are in very good shape, so the loose risers don't cause a problem for your reserve.BTW some of us cannot use one reserve procedure because we jump gear (like tandem rigs) that have inherently different procedures.-bill von Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
