MikeFB2764 0 #1 July 26, 2006 Is this a good idea? Bad idea? http://www.skydivecsc.com/images_updates/2006/07.25.2006/IMG_0121.jpg I am not a tandem master, so I don't know for sure. I have, however, filmed my fair share of tandems (vector) and this just does not seem like a good idea. Thoughts? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #2 July 26, 2006 maybe he's just trying to get stable scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #3 July 26, 2006 Does anyone know who it is and maybe ask what happened? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 July 26, 2006 Quote Does anyone know who it is and maybe ask what happened? I know a few years ago there were a couple of instructors playing with a body position similar to that and apparently it was super stable and rock solid under the drogue. That TI is probably goofing off for the camera, which is fine, but look at what its doing to the harness...personally it really bugs me when I see laterals that long. However, I was not on that jump, I don't know that TI and we're forming an opinion from 1/10th of a second in the skydive. So who knows for sure.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeFB2764 0 #5 July 27, 2006 Looks like the original photo was taken down from the web site. Fortunately, I just happened to have saved a copy. Here it is... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickanderson 0 #6 August 9, 2006 QuoteLooks like the original photo was taken down from the web site. Fortunately, I just happened to have saved a copy. Here it is... taken down? why? are they not supposed to be doing that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeFB2764 0 #7 August 9, 2006 Quote taken down? why? are they not supposed to be doing that? ...don't know. I got came across the picture as part of the newsletter they send out. Shortly after this post, it was taken offline. I came across this link that shows a video of the same tandem master (I think) doing the same thing. http://www.realxstream.com/?XStreamID=28589 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildblue 7 #8 August 9, 2006 Quotetaken down? why? are they not supposed to be doing that? I think someone at Zhills (?) got their rating yanked for doing something similar a number of years back. Doesn't look like a great idea, but I'm not a TI, so I can't really say. I can say I think it makes the video more about the TI and less about the student. If I brought a friend or family member out to do a tandem, I wouldn't want the TI to be doing this with them. EDIT: You might want to move this to the instructor's forum - you'd get more responses.it's like incest - you're substituting convenience for quality Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver30960 0 #9 August 9, 2006 Holy loose laterals, Batman! Elvisio "none for me, thanks" Rodriguez Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tqsmile 0 #10 August 10, 2006 Holy c***,Have not seen anything like thet before. I am a TI and still learn a lot. I would not want to be in that spot. Laterals Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!. Its all about the student.Is that maybe a Photoshop edit?Jokes. I dont think it is a good idea but thats just me.I walk with no limpTQ I am me and you are you, so deal with it!!! www.skydivepe.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swoopgaz 0 #11 August 10, 2006 First of all as a TI I would never consider having the laterals that loose on my passenger, any number of things can go wrong. Second of all, apart from being a stupid thing to do, the TI should be showing of for the camera like that. The focus of the whole video is the student not the TI trying to upstage the student or be the centre of attention. The passenger pays a lot of money for there videos it should be all about them not what the guy on the back can do to show off. Personally i think any TI who is stupid enough to do that should have there TI rating pulled Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeFB2764 0 #12 August 10, 2006 I just got the CSC newsletter and again, there is another photo of the same tandem master in a questionable position. That's just my opinion... -Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #13 August 10, 2006 That picture clearly shows that the laterals are only pulled in a few inches at the most. Correct me if I'm wrong since its been a few years since I've had a tandem rating but wasn't loose laterals found to contribute to Side spin fatalities?Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #14 August 10, 2006 Quotetaken down? why? are they not supposed to be doing that? Oh hell no. 1. The laterals have to be loose to pull that little trick off. This can cause a problem and loose laterals have been linked to side spins. 2. The jump is for the student, not for the TI to show off. An instructor I know did have a rating pulled years ago for this kind of thing. And then was talked to by another rig company. It is just a bad idea all around."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #15 August 10, 2006 Well seeing the two pictures and the video, it is obviously it is all about the TM, not the student. Bad idea for many reasons besides. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A2C 0 #16 August 11, 2006 TI paid all slots, and video. Of course the student is the up-jumper. I hope... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #17 August 11, 2006 Wow.... Well, he looks like he is good but thats not the point now is it. If I got that as my tandem video I would be annoyed. ~D Videographer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #18 August 11, 2006 I seriously doubt that the TM paid for all the slots for the ammount of photos and video there is of him doing this. I counted at least 9 videos of this online. In 2 different pictures and in the video it is all different people. Looking through the RealXtreem videos this TM is doing something similar on every one of his jumps. In one while he is going drogueless he invites the video flyer in for a dock then tosses the drogue while the video is still holding on. In another the Video flyer takes a dock on his outstreched foot while off to the side. In a few I was able to see the laterals flapping since they are all the way loose. All the videos I've seen show that the TM is clearly the focus of the video and not the student. At no point is there any instruction going on other then showing the altimeter into the students face and moving their hand to the ripcord. I am just shocked that this is allowed as a normal tandem jump at this DZ... Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DALAILAMA 0 #19 August 12, 2006 I completely agree with you. I believe the "TI paid for the slots" is not enough exscuse to risk anyones well being. I am not here to persecute anyone but EVEN IF the passenger and the TI were both experienced jumpers the TI still has an obligation to the USPA, the company that issued the rating and to his or her DZ to keep the jump within "as safe as possible conditions" The side spin is an almost uncontrollable condition in which once it starts it is extremely difficult and in some situations impossible to recover from. What is controllable to a point is the situations that caused the side spin. Leaving the straps this loose is an extremely bad decision and thankfully for the people doing it they have gotten away with it so far. I just pray that they have seen the pros and cons and have fixed their harness tightening procedures."Dropzone.com, where uneducated people measuring penises, has become an art form" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #20 August 12, 2006 Some of the videos are fom as recent as last weekend so I'd say nothing had changed as of then. Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DALAILAMA 0 #21 August 12, 2006 Then I retract my prior politically correct statement and replace it with. Damn, Thats Dumb! You would think with the current events in tandem jumping, someone would have the sense to tell him...Hey maybe that isn't the best Idea. Where have all the responsible people gone? This is simply my opinion."Dropzone.com, where uneducated people measuring penises, has become an art form" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #22 August 13, 2006 Quote Damn, Thats Dumb! Where have all the responsible people gone? Check out this video Couple of freeze frames from that video attached here. I think the responsible people, out in that area, are over at Skydive Chicago. Please - someone tell GoFast that 'Australian Honey' falls into the category of 'five syllable words'. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverup13k 0 #23 August 13, 2006 holy s@$t.He's lost his senses.glad Im not his vid guy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JJohnson 0 #24 August 13, 2006 That last shot is a bit scary, if the butt strap were loose, that person could potentially slide out on opening. I started my tandem instruction at CSC, they were always safety obsessive then. The owners are good people and I am sure they will maintain a safe operation.JJ "Call me Darth Balls" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeFB2764 0 #25 August 14, 2006 QuoteQuote Damn, Thats Dumb! Where have all the responsible people gone? Check out this video Couple of freeze frames from that video attached here. I think the responsible people, out in that area, are over at Skydive Chicago. Please - someone tell GoFast that 'Australian Honey' falls into the category of 'five syllable words'. . This is not from Skydive Chicago. The stills that I posted as well as the video were from Chicagoland Skydiving (Hinckley). Also, Skydive Chicago uses Vector Tandem rigs and Strong Tandem Rigs are being used in these photos. -Mike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
