quinny 0 #1 September 1, 2006 Hi Folks, Whats your minimums and why? I have had an interesting summer and am wondering others thoughts.I know mine and have stuck to my guns all summer! Cheers Quinny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #2 September 1, 2006 Is that OPENING or EXIT? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quinny 0 #3 September 1, 2006 EXIT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Liemberg 0 #4 September 1, 2006 Plane burning? Tail gone? Or only a broken carb heat cable?... "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quinny 0 #5 September 1, 2006 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #6 September 1, 2006 Nah seriously, is the plane gonna crash or is the dzo wanting to make some cash on an overcast day?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koppel 4 #7 September 1, 2006 there is a DZ north of Brisbane that offer 6,000' Tandems to the backpackers. they do a fair few as well I believe I like my canopy... ...it lets me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites packerkevin 0 #8 September 1, 2006 We offer 3 different altitudes during the summer. 8,000 9,500 11,000 personally, I LOVE the 8000' tandem. mostly because we are jumping a 182 and the ride is quicker.Growing old is mandatory, Growing up is optional Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites swoopgaz 0 #9 September 1, 2006 where i work we offer 6000ft tandems. with the right person they can be fun however with the wrong person they can be scary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quinny 0 #10 September 1, 2006 dzo wanting to make money on a crapped out day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #11 September 1, 2006 Quotedzo wanting to make money on a crapped out day That's fine as long as student is told in advance how little freefall he's getting compared to full altitude, and/or given a discount on the price, or both. But if neither is done, the student's getting ripped off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites WILDBILLAQR 0 #12 September 1, 2006 You only like those because your an OLD FART Plus the sooner your done,the sooner your ice chest opens BTW, I don't mind that part as long as you have a few frosty pops in there for me---------------------------------------------- "Thats not smoke, thats BUCKEYE!!" AQR#3,CWR#49 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #13 September 1, 2006 I have done a couple of tandems from 6,000 feet ... because the DZO wanted to make money on a hazy day. ... didn't much enjoy them. ... refuse to work for that DZO anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quinny 0 #14 September 1, 2006 The results so far are pretty interesting. The reason behind this is that I work at a few different DZs and have discovered that peoples perceptions of what is acceptable changes greatly between each. Sitting in the plane with my student and the an Instructor wanting to throw a IAD student out at 3.5k was a shock. They now go higher because I dont want any problems i.e pilot chute over tail etc at 3.5 and it all go to shit! So thankyou to them! I also heard from a friend of mine that he witnessed a dz doing tandems from 4k with the aad turned off because of bad weather! Because I havent seen it with my own eyes I wont go any further with the details. I believe that low tandems are robbing the student of the experience they are wanting/expecting! We should take pride in promoting the sport through tandems and give our paying customers the real deal when it comes to their first experience of this great sportQuinny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites koppel 4 #15 September 1, 2006 How about a dzo that wants you to get out at say 9K on a regular basis and wants you to hide your alti so they cant see they are not getting 14K. Then wants you to take it down and be open around 3-3.5K so they get longer in freefall. Oh yeah, and when you say no cos 'I dont like the idea of ripping people off and there is no way that I am going to open that low on a Tandem' the response was "...maybe you should rethink being a Tandem Master if your not confident to open there and deal with any problems. Sounds like you should quit." So I did.I like my canopy... ...it lets me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quinny 0 #16 September 1, 2006 Nice job Koppel! You are a rockstar brother! If you are opening in the 3k range and the aad is set for 2k you really dont have any room at all for slow openings or anything else at that matter! 2 out doesnt make the dzo any money. Injuries to staff dont make any money and injuries to students dont make any money and is completely shit for business! You rock!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billeisele 130 #17 September 2, 2006 if this for real then the DZO needs a wake-up call put him in the front seat, don't install any of the front passenger handles except the ripcord and tell him to pull when he gets scaredGive one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #18 September 2, 2006 Quoteif this for real then the DZO needs a wake-up call put him in the front seat, don't install any of the front passenger handles except the ripcord and tell him to pull when he gets scared yeah baby! Great Idea! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflychris 0 #19 September 3, 2006 I know here in Vegas there are a few dz's that go to 5,500 to 6,000 ft agl if there lucky. Oh yea and they are advertising 15,000. I know that the dropzone I work at we try to get 8,000 agl on every load we would go higher but when it's 115 it's kinda hard to get any higher with out spending 35 min in a 206. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birddog 0 #20 September 3, 2006 Is this anywhere i would know of??Deal with it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #21 September 4, 2006 Quotedzo wanting to make money on a crapped out dayI'll sent the DZO to hell and let him do the work.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #22 September 4, 2006 For my answer I assumed that you were referring to first-time students. For first-time students or students I have never jumped with before, my personal minimum is 6000 FT. If I have jumped with the student before and had no issues, I will go a little lower. 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Liemberg 0 #4 September 1, 2006 Plane burning? Tail gone? Or only a broken carb heat cable?... "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #6 September 1, 2006 Nah seriously, is the plane gonna crash or is the dzo wanting to make some cash on an overcast day?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koppel 4 #7 September 1, 2006 there is a DZ north of Brisbane that offer 6,000' Tandems to the backpackers. they do a fair few as well I believe I like my canopy... ...it lets me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerkevin 0 #8 September 1, 2006 We offer 3 different altitudes during the summer. 8,000 9,500 11,000 personally, I LOVE the 8000' tandem. mostly because we are jumping a 182 and the ride is quicker.Growing old is mandatory, Growing up is optional Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swoopgaz 0 #9 September 1, 2006 where i work we offer 6000ft tandems. with the right person they can be fun however with the wrong person they can be scary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quinny 0 #10 September 1, 2006 dzo wanting to make money on a crapped out day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #11 September 1, 2006 Quotedzo wanting to make money on a crapped out day That's fine as long as student is told in advance how little freefall he's getting compared to full altitude, and/or given a discount on the price, or both. But if neither is done, the student's getting ripped off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WILDBILLAQR 0 #12 September 1, 2006 You only like those because your an OLD FART Plus the sooner your done,the sooner your ice chest opens BTW, I don't mind that part as long as you have a few frosty pops in there for me---------------------------------------------- "Thats not smoke, thats BUCKEYE!!" AQR#3,CWR#49 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #13 September 1, 2006 I have done a couple of tandems from 6,000 feet ... because the DZO wanted to make money on a hazy day. ... didn't much enjoy them. ... refuse to work for that DZO anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quinny 0 #14 September 1, 2006 The results so far are pretty interesting. The reason behind this is that I work at a few different DZs and have discovered that peoples perceptions of what is acceptable changes greatly between each. Sitting in the plane with my student and the an Instructor wanting to throw a IAD student out at 3.5k was a shock. They now go higher because I dont want any problems i.e pilot chute over tail etc at 3.5 and it all go to shit! So thankyou to them! I also heard from a friend of mine that he witnessed a dz doing tandems from 4k with the aad turned off because of bad weather! Because I havent seen it with my own eyes I wont go any further with the details. I believe that low tandems are robbing the student of the experience they are wanting/expecting! We should take pride in promoting the sport through tandems and give our paying customers the real deal when it comes to their first experience of this great sportQuinny Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koppel 4 #15 September 1, 2006 How about a dzo that wants you to get out at say 9K on a regular basis and wants you to hide your alti so they cant see they are not getting 14K. Then wants you to take it down and be open around 3-3.5K so they get longer in freefall. Oh yeah, and when you say no cos 'I dont like the idea of ripping people off and there is no way that I am going to open that low on a Tandem' the response was "...maybe you should rethink being a Tandem Master if your not confident to open there and deal with any problems. Sounds like you should quit." So I did.I like my canopy... ...it lets me down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quinny 0 #16 September 1, 2006 Nice job Koppel! You are a rockstar brother! If you are opening in the 3k range and the aad is set for 2k you really dont have any room at all for slow openings or anything else at that matter! 2 out doesnt make the dzo any money. Injuries to staff dont make any money and injuries to students dont make any money and is completely shit for business! You rock!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billeisele 130 #17 September 2, 2006 if this for real then the DZO needs a wake-up call put him in the front seat, don't install any of the front passenger handles except the ripcord and tell him to pull when he gets scaredGive one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #18 September 2, 2006 Quoteif this for real then the DZO needs a wake-up call put him in the front seat, don't install any of the front passenger handles except the ripcord and tell him to pull when he gets scared yeah baby! Great Idea! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freeflychris 0 #19 September 3, 2006 I know here in Vegas there are a few dz's that go to 5,500 to 6,000 ft agl if there lucky. Oh yea and they are advertising 15,000. I know that the dropzone I work at we try to get 8,000 agl on every load we would go higher but when it's 115 it's kinda hard to get any higher with out spending 35 min in a 206. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites birddog 0 #20 September 3, 2006 Is this anywhere i would know of??Deal with it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #21 September 4, 2006 Quotedzo wanting to make money on a crapped out dayI'll sent the DZO to hell and let him do the work.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #22 September 4, 2006 For my answer I assumed that you were referring to first-time students. For first-time students or students I have never jumped with before, my personal minimum is 6000 FT. If I have jumped with the student before and had no issues, I will go a little lower. I have two successful emergency exits with tandems from 4000 FT.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skydiverek 63 #23 September 4, 2006 QuoteI have two successful emergency exits with tandems from 4000 FT. Can you describe them in detail? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jheadley 0 #24 September 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteI have two successful emergency exits with tandems from 4000 FT. Can you describe them in detail? Yes please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billeisele 130 #17 September 2, 2006 if this for real then the DZO needs a wake-up call put him in the front seat, don't install any of the front passenger handles except the ripcord and tell him to pull when he gets scaredGive one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #18 September 2, 2006 Quoteif this for real then the DZO needs a wake-up call put him in the front seat, don't install any of the front passenger handles except the ripcord and tell him to pull when he gets scared yeah baby! Great Idea! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freeflychris 0 #19 September 3, 2006 I know here in Vegas there are a few dz's that go to 5,500 to 6,000 ft agl if there lucky. Oh yea and they are advertising 15,000. I know that the dropzone I work at we try to get 8,000 agl on every load we would go higher but when it's 115 it's kinda hard to get any higher with out spending 35 min in a 206. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birddog 0 #20 September 3, 2006 Is this anywhere i would know of??Deal with it Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #21 September 4, 2006 Quotedzo wanting to make money on a crapped out dayI'll sent the DZO to hell and let him do the work.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #22 September 4, 2006 For my answer I assumed that you were referring to first-time students. For first-time students or students I have never jumped with before, my personal minimum is 6000 FT. If I have jumped with the student before and had no issues, I will go a little lower. I have two successful emergency exits with tandems from 4000 FT.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverek 63 #23 September 4, 2006 QuoteI have two successful emergency exits with tandems from 4000 FT. Can you describe them in detail? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jheadley 0 #24 September 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteI have two successful emergency exits with tandems from 4000 FT. Can you describe them in detail? Yes please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
