alaskaskydiving 0 #1 September 12, 2006 I gotta hear this one. Without naming names, dz's or accidents "in the news." Whats the stupidest thing you've done or seen another instructor do? I'll start. I saw an aff lvl one go out the door one time about a half an hour after sunset in a very weak moon period. No shit, it could've been easily declared a night jump. You could barely see the student on landing from less than 50 yards away, wow Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packing_jarrett 0 #2 September 12, 2006 Letting someone with 275 jumps take out a tandem On a tandem: forgetting to hook-up the top 2 attachment points.Na' Cho' Cheese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #3 September 12, 2006 Instructors deliberately doing stupid things on jumps are very rare. Every instructor I know takes his/her job very seriously and is extremely conscientious. Whenever there's an incident involving an instructor (like this past weekend), the press scrutiny is intense, and they do read DZ.com. The local press coverage of the latest tandem incident has been about the worst I've seen in its anti-skydiver bias. Do you really want to have a thread that only gives them more food for their slander? I sure don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #4 September 12, 2006 Unqualified Videoagraphers using the tandem pair to help stay level while they film. DZO 's not current doing Instructional dives. T-I's who never properly got rated doing tandems. How many do you want?An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #5 September 13, 2006 QuoteInstructors deliberately doing stupid things on jumps are very rare. Every instructor I know takes his/her job very seriously and is extremely conscientious. Whenever there's an incident involving an instructor (like this past weekend), the press scrutiny is intense, and they do read DZ.com. The local press coverage of the latest tandem incident has been about the worst I've seen in its anti-skydiver bias. Do you really want to have a thread that only gives them more food for their slander? I sure don't. Hi Andy You thinking the OP that asked the question is trolling and the lemmings are biting R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattaman 0 #6 September 13, 2006 We've all done stupid things on skydives, and yes, we've made mistakes on instructional skydives. Anyone who says not is lying, through there teeth. Sorry the press scrutiny is bad, but you'll get through it, it happens, and skydiving happens, and skydiving accidents happen. Most skydiving instructors are conscientious, some are self centered idiots, just like any other profession, physicians, politicians, and yes, presidents, and they sometimes cause people to die, ever studied LBJ? I hope the press scares the public a bit, maybe they'll stop some of those cowardly tandems from coming out and acting tough, walking away and saying there "not scared." It'l stop the sport from validating this borderline society that wants to deny fear til we hit tragedy, again in this world. Skydiving is for people who accept accidents, imperfection, and the possibility that we, yes may die in this life, yes, death is possible, and it does happen. Use your judgement if you post, but don't create a shadow for our sport, of lies and perfection, like most other industries do. Skydiving is dangerous, and fuck ups happenThose stuck in maya, seek to be seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
coconutmonkey 0 #7 September 13, 2006 Gee, no personal data entered, but been posting a while. Still, lines are in the water and the chum is out... y'all figure it outHearts & Minds 2 to the Heart- 1 to the Mind- Home of the Coconut Lounge, Spa, & Artillery Range Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
towerrat 0 #8 September 13, 2006 QuoteWe've all done stupid things on skydives, and yes, we've made mistakes on instructional skydives. Anyone who says not is lying, through there teeth. Sorry the press scrutiny is bad, but you'll get through it, it happens, and skydiving happens, and skydiving accidents happen. Most skydiving instructors are conscientious, some are self centered idiots, just like any other profession, physicians, politicians, and yes, presidents, and they sometimes cause people to die, ever studied LBJ? I hope the press scares the public a bit, maybe they'll stop some of those cowardly tandems from coming out and acting tough, walking away and saying there "not scared." It'l stop the sport from validating this borderline society that wants to deny fear til we hit tragedy, again in this world. Skydiving is for people who accept accidents, imperfection, and the possibility that we, yes may die in this life, yes, death is possible, and it does happen. Use your judgement if you post, but don't create a shadow for our sport, of lies and perfection, like most other industries do. Skydiving is dangerous, and fuck ups happen ------------------------------------------------------------ excellent postPlay stupid games, win stupid prizes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #9 September 13, 2006 who the fguck are you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diwil 0 #10 September 13, 2006 ... dispatched SL students without a rig on. likely, after second out, the pilot told me that _sometimes_ in the plane i had to put my kit on. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mixoligist 0 #11 September 13, 2006 posting on DZ.com tops my list................................... Better you than me .................................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites alaskaskydiving 0 #12 September 13, 2006 Sorry, my name is matt aman, I work, at skydive sedona in az. I am about to get out of skydiving as a full time instructor after about 7 years. I asked the question cause I am so idolated up here being the only instructor and being on call 7 days a week. New to dz.com, thanks to the ones who posted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dqpacker 7 #13 September 13, 2006 A aff-i always flaring first jump students to late and then telling them it was their fault. And debriefing students over the radio while they are still in the air. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #14 September 13, 2006 aff instructors that spend more time with the talented students, beacause they like them and cold shouldering the ones that are having troubles. that really pissed me off but i could not do or say anything about it! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MakeItHappen 15 #15 September 13, 2006 QuoteI gotta hear this one. Without naming names, dz's or accidents "in the news." Whats the stupidest thing you've done or seen another instructor do? A proud US based father TI posting about his 4 yo daughter doing a tandem jump with him, with photos too. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #16 September 13, 2006 he could have done it in new zealand or any other country that allows such things!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NSEMN8R 0 #17 September 14, 2006 I once saw a guy spot 2 static line students in the lake and a 15 second delay student at the golf course. Same load, 3 different passes. I watched the same guy yell at a student over the radio because he wouldn't obey radio commands only to figure out that he was looking at the JM. The student landed in the corn. The canopies looked nothing alike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #18 September 14, 2006 QuoteA aff-i always flaring first jump students to late and then telling them it was their fault. And debriefing students over the radio while they are still in the air. Dude, I think I know who that is.... "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #19 September 14, 2006 Yelling at and chewing out students in front of the whole DZ, making them feel like dirt. I've seen more than one student treated that way just leave the sport. Some have even told me later that abuse like that is the reason they quit. You praise in public, criticize in private. Students/customers/people deserve that kind of consideration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mickochet 0 #20 September 14, 2006 Is this something you have seen or something that you have heard of.If you never fall down you aren't trying hard enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #21 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteI gotta hear this one. Without naming names, dz's or accidents "in the news." Whats the stupidest thing you've done or seen another instructor do? A proud US based father TI posting about his 4 yo daughter doing a tandem jump with him, with photos too. . What's wrong with that?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites packing_jarrett 0 #22 September 14, 2006 Yeah sorry read it after words. Heared of a doing tandems. Actually SAW VIDEO of someone forgetting the attachment points.Na' Cho' Cheese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #23 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI gotta hear this one. Without naming names, dz's or accidents "in the news." What's the stupidest thing you've done or seen another instructor do? A proud US based father TI posting about his 4 yo daughter doing a tandem jump with him, with photos too. . What's wrong with that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If USA-based tandem manufacturers hear about it, they will shred his ratings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhys 0 #24 September 14, 2006 QuoteIf USA-based tandem manufacturers hear about it, they will shred his ratings. not nessecarily if he didn't do it in the US."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #25 September 14, 2006 QuoteSorry, my name is Matt Aman, I work, at Skydive Sedona in AZ. I am about to get out of skydiving as a full time instructor after about 7 years. I asked the question cause I am so isolated up here being the only instructor and being on call 7 days a week. New to dz.com, thanks to the ones who posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup! Being on call 7 days a week will burn you out quickly. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Last year I tried instructing and rigging for three weeks at a time, or a month at a time, or sometimes I just lost count. I also had to commute between two different DZs in two different provinces. The shortest commute took a minimum of four hours (by the time I drove to the airport, waited for my flight, flew, waited for my ride at the far end, etc.). By the middle of the summer I was grumpy, short-tempered, over-wrought, had the attention span of a weasel on crack, etc. Then exhaustion continued until mid-November. ... and the boss was baffled about my irritability. His response was: "But you have the entire winter to rest up." I spent the winter catching up on gear maintenance and assembling 30 new student rigs. You have my sympathy brother. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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JohnMitchell 16 #9 September 13, 2006 who the fguck are you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diwil 0 #10 September 13, 2006 ... dispatched SL students without a rig on. likely, after second out, the pilot told me that _sometimes_ in the plane i had to put my kit on. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mixoligist 0 #11 September 13, 2006 posting on DZ.com tops my list................................... Better you than me .................................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alaskaskydiving 0 #12 September 13, 2006 Sorry, my name is matt aman, I work, at skydive sedona in az. I am about to get out of skydiving as a full time instructor after about 7 years. I asked the question cause I am so idolated up here being the only instructor and being on call 7 days a week. New to dz.com, thanks to the ones who posted Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dqpacker 7 #13 September 13, 2006 A aff-i always flaring first jump students to late and then telling them it was their fault. And debriefing students over the radio while they are still in the air. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #14 September 13, 2006 aff instructors that spend more time with the talented students, beacause they like them and cold shouldering the ones that are having troubles. that really pissed me off but i could not do or say anything about it! "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #15 September 13, 2006 QuoteI gotta hear this one. Without naming names, dz's or accidents "in the news." Whats the stupidest thing you've done or seen another instructor do? A proud US based father TI posting about his 4 yo daughter doing a tandem jump with him, with photos too. .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #16 September 13, 2006 he could have done it in new zealand or any other country that allows such things!"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NSEMN8R 0 #17 September 14, 2006 I once saw a guy spot 2 static line students in the lake and a 15 second delay student at the golf course. Same load, 3 different passes. I watched the same guy yell at a student over the radio because he wouldn't obey radio commands only to figure out that he was looking at the JM. The student landed in the corn. The canopies looked nothing alike. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #18 September 14, 2006 QuoteA aff-i always flaring first jump students to late and then telling them it was their fault. And debriefing students over the radio while they are still in the air. Dude, I think I know who that is.... "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #19 September 14, 2006 Yelling at and chewing out students in front of the whole DZ, making them feel like dirt. I've seen more than one student treated that way just leave the sport. Some have even told me later that abuse like that is the reason they quit. You praise in public, criticize in private. Students/customers/people deserve that kind of consideration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mickochet 0 #20 September 14, 2006 Is this something you have seen or something that you have heard of.If you never fall down you aren't trying hard enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #21 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteI gotta hear this one. Without naming names, dz's or accidents "in the news." Whats the stupidest thing you've done or seen another instructor do? A proud US based father TI posting about his 4 yo daughter doing a tandem jump with him, with photos too. . What's wrong with that?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packing_jarrett 0 #22 September 14, 2006 Yeah sorry read it after words. Heared of a doing tandems. Actually SAW VIDEO of someone forgetting the attachment points.Na' Cho' Cheese Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #23 September 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI gotta hear this one. Without naming names, dz's or accidents "in the news." What's the stupidest thing you've done or seen another instructor do? A proud US based father TI posting about his 4 yo daughter doing a tandem jump with him, with photos too. . What's wrong with that? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If USA-based tandem manufacturers hear about it, they will shred his ratings. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #24 September 14, 2006 QuoteIf USA-based tandem manufacturers hear about it, they will shred his ratings. not nessecarily if he didn't do it in the US."When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #25 September 14, 2006 QuoteSorry, my name is Matt Aman, I work, at Skydive Sedona in AZ. I am about to get out of skydiving as a full time instructor after about 7 years. I asked the question cause I am so isolated up here being the only instructor and being on call 7 days a week. New to dz.com, thanks to the ones who posted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yup! Being on call 7 days a week will burn you out quickly. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. Last year I tried instructing and rigging for three weeks at a time, or a month at a time, or sometimes I just lost count. I also had to commute between two different DZs in two different provinces. The shortest commute took a minimum of four hours (by the time I drove to the airport, waited for my flight, flew, waited for my ride at the far end, etc.). By the middle of the summer I was grumpy, short-tempered, over-wrought, had the attention span of a weasel on crack, etc. Then exhaustion continued until mid-November. ... and the boss was baffled about my irritability. His response was: "But you have the entire winter to rest up." I spent the winter catching up on gear maintenance and assembling 30 new student rigs. You have my sympathy brother. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
