ryan_d_sucks 0 #1 January 16, 2007 So if researching and getting started with skydiving has taught me one thing, it has taught me that nobody is perfect. There is absolutley no infallible person. Your instructor is not perfect, and shit can and does happen. That being said, have any of you, as an INSTRUCTOR screwed up badly? I don't mean having screwed yourself, but screwed up putting your student in danger? This post was prompted by viewing this video: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=2191&string=asshole Do any of you have any stories of personal mistakes that you feel really lucky didn't end badly, or hurt your student? Do any of you have experiences working with another instructor who was acting somewhat negligble? I know it may not be the most self-flattering thing to post, but we can all learn something from each other's mistakes. Ryan Edited to fix link* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCR10480 0 #2 January 17, 2007 With 102 views, and zero replies...I might say that your question is the biggest "screw up" I've ever seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Floats18 0 #3 January 17, 2007 Woah, harsh words brother... Dude tho I don't think that you are going to get many people to wilfulingly tell you that they personally endangered anyone in skydiving... let alone a student. I don't think you have enough time in the sport to realize what you are asking... in spite of the harsh words above... your question is equally painful.--- and give them wings so they may fly free forever DiverDriver in Training Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StevieBoy 0 #4 January 20, 2007 QuoteSo if researching and getting started with skydiving has taught me one thing, 1. Nobody is perfect. 2. There is absolutley no infallible person. 3. Shit can happen 4. Shit does happen 5. We can all learn something from each other's mistakes. Thats 5 things Ryan. The only thing to remember is " YOU decided to jump" if you don't have the tools, don't jump. Instructors, TM's, People in this sport are responsible for one person, them, to a point. If you feel they should save your life, then sorry dude, your in the wrong place. A little trust on the first jump OK, reserve side pulled for me on AAF 1, a wake up call. " We can all learn something from each other's mistakes." To the above = This was MY mistake, you'll learn that you only learn from your fuck ups. If your gonna jump, don't put the shit on other people, this is YOUR choice, not theires. Steveit deosn't mttaer waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryan_d_sucks 0 #5 January 21, 2007 Hey buddy, I totally do get that. I think you misconstrued my point completley. Perhaps this question was too much of a faux pau to put out there for people who don't know me to answer. However, never in my post did I hint that I expect anyone to be my failproof safety net. I know why the waivers are there, I think about them, and I sign them. And I know that when I'm unstable with no pull at 2000 feet, its on me. I'm only interested, see it as voyeristic or not, to hear stories from people who have been here much longer, and seen much more than myself. I'm only interested to find out further what could go wrong, so that in the event it does, I CAN be my own help. The reason I posted this in the instructor forum is because obviously students and low experience jumpers are the most dependent, and least self-sufficient. However, this post could go for anyone, instructors, other jumpers, pilots, etc... The original intent (whether expressed well or not) was to find out when your actions have put someone else in danger.. Because that is a much different feeling than screwing yourself, and it is a much different situation to try to control (because in many ways it is beyond your control). Answer if you want to, and obviously most of you don't. But at the very least understand this is only an attempt to learn, whether or not it be pleasant to think about, read, or see. This was not intended to become a finger pointing, whistle blowing measure of incompetence, and I think by this post that that is clear enough. Ryan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #6 January 21, 2007 QuoteI know it may not be the most self-flattering thing to post, but we can all learn something from each other's mistakes And what would YOU learn from any instructor here posting such? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #7 January 21, 2007 Just do a search or simply begin reading - there are thousands and thousands of postings here you can read through and probably find a lot of the stories you are looking for.Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #8 January 24, 2007 I've known instructors that have killed students, but with that said, you're more likely to screw up than they are. So work on what you're doing, and don't worry too much about the instructors. Be safe, have fun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bch7773 0 #9 February 2, 2007 I think nobody wants to put in writing how they screwed up, got a student injured, etc. instructors are humans too, so even they can make mistakes. it happens, just not very often. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deuce 1 #10 February 3, 2007 I was helping by plugging in the King Air to the start cart. Once the engines were started and the pilot gave me the disconnect signal I couldn't get the damn plug out. I grabbed it with both hands and pulled with all my might. Suddenly the plug exploded out from the socket and I tripped into the turning propeller. Hurt like hell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Laszloimage 0 #11 February 3, 2007 Those are who dead... -Laszlo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sparkie 0 #12 February 14, 2007 Quoteinstructors are humans too, LOL who told you that fable? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tqsmile 0 #13 February 22, 2007 Read all the incident reports and learn.TQ I am me and you are you, so deal with it!!! www.skydivepe.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites packerboy 3 #14 March 6, 2007 I'll bite. I have screwed up and put people in danger. Not as an instructor, but as a learning cameraguy. I was pushing the limit of being too close and too steep on a 15 way formation, got caught in the burble and came crashing through. I didn't hurt anyone thankfully but I could have killed someone. I learned my lesson and will not fly above formations again untill I get some wings and learn how to fly them. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #15 March 18, 2007 have you guys ever given a student a bad spot?? Man, I hate it when I do that. "Gee, I'm sorry you landed off. Why did you land off? Well, it's kinda funny, see....." Not too common, but sometimes stuff like that is what I need to slap me in the face and make me realize that geee, I really am still learning a lot...=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skippyjumps 0 #16 March 22, 2007 You bird turgler!!!!!Quote"whatcha doin with that lawn mower blade?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nickkk 0 #17 March 25, 2007 Wow, that instructor forgot to pull down his goggles too. What do you do when someone throws a big planet at you? Throw your pilot chute in defense! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #18 March 25, 2007 Hey, can I start Posting exhaggerated versions of OTHER instructor's screw ups? That might get this thread cruising!!=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
bch7773 0 #9 February 2, 2007 I think nobody wants to put in writing how they screwed up, got a student injured, etc. instructors are humans too, so even they can make mistakes. it happens, just not very often. MB 3528, RB 1182 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #10 February 3, 2007 I was helping by plugging in the King Air to the start cart. Once the engines were started and the pilot gave me the disconnect signal I couldn't get the damn plug out. I grabbed it with both hands and pulled with all my might. Suddenly the plug exploded out from the socket and I tripped into the turning propeller. Hurt like hell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Laszloimage 0 #11 February 3, 2007 Those are who dead... -Laszlo- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sparkie 0 #12 February 14, 2007 Quoteinstructors are humans too, LOL who told you that fable? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tqsmile 0 #13 February 22, 2007 Read all the incident reports and learn.TQ I am me and you are you, so deal with it!!! www.skydivepe.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
packerboy 3 #14 March 6, 2007 I'll bite. I have screwed up and put people in danger. Not as an instructor, but as a learning cameraguy. I was pushing the limit of being too close and too steep on a 15 way formation, got caught in the burble and came crashing through. I didn't hurt anyone thankfully but I could have killed someone. I learned my lesson and will not fly above formations again untill I get some wings and learn how to fly them. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #15 March 18, 2007 have you guys ever given a student a bad spot?? Man, I hate it when I do that. "Gee, I'm sorry you landed off. Why did you land off? Well, it's kinda funny, see....." Not too common, but sometimes stuff like that is what I need to slap me in the face and make me realize that geee, I really am still learning a lot...=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skippyjumps 0 #16 March 22, 2007 You bird turgler!!!!!Quote"whatcha doin with that lawn mower blade?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nickkk 0 #17 March 25, 2007 Wow, that instructor forgot to pull down his goggles too. What do you do when someone throws a big planet at you? Throw your pilot chute in defense! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Unstable 9 #18 March 25, 2007 Hey, can I start Posting exhaggerated versions of OTHER instructor's screw ups? That might get this thread cruising!!=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Nickkk 0 #17 March 25, 2007 Wow, that instructor forgot to pull down his goggles too. What do you do when someone throws a big planet at you? Throw your pilot chute in defense! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Unstable 9 #18 March 25, 2007 Hey, can I start Posting exhaggerated versions of OTHER instructor's screw ups? That might get this thread cruising!!=========Shaun ========== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
