NickDG 23 #1 May 29, 2008 This morning CNN is running a piece on a reporter, inspired by Michell's high altitude jump, who did a Tandem in New Jersey. During gear-up the conversation went like this . . . "Any chance of my coming out of this thing [the harness]." "No." "Never happens?" "No, never." We all know tandem passengers can ask awkward questions but just like the "death" question brought up in another thread there are better ways of handling it than fibbing. Some things I would have said, especially knowing I was on TV, is either use humor or just tell the truth. "Well, so far not today." or . . . "Anything is possible, that's why it's called skydiving. You still want to go?" The problem is some bored CNN intern could actually look up if anyone ever came out of a tandem harness and without really understanding the circumstances, I could see that story running for a few days and giving the sport another black eye. NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RB_Hammer 0 #2 May 29, 2008 From CNN.com: May 29, 2008 Atmospheric freefall Posted: 09:18 AM ET As a meteorologist I’ve been fascinated by the French skydiver trying to jump from a balloon at 130,000 feet. Flying thru the stratosphere at the speed of sound with nothing but a skimpy space suit is just crazy to me. Michel Vournier dreams of breaking the freefall record were postponed again this week when his balloon flew off without him. Regardless, the whole story got me wanting to jump. So up I went with a plane full of other more experienced skydivers at Freefall Adventures in south Jersey. Going “tandem” with a pro attached to me for safety, we jumped at 15,300 feet (solidly in the troposphere). That’s about 600 mb of atmospheric pressure (surface is around 1000mb). So the breathing isn’t easy and I got a little light headed and cold (temperature is less than 40 degrees at that height). Doesn’t matter cause you’re not there for long, and once you jump the adrenaline erases any chill in the air. A quick acceleration to a peak speed of 138 mph and you realize Newton was right about this whole gravity thing! Wow what a ride!!!! At that altitude the air is thin but oxygen isn’t required… no helmet or space suit either. Tee shirt, jeans, and instructor Range Luda strapped to my back is all that was needed. Freefalling for 70 seconds was incredible… spiritual in fact. I’ve been on top of high mountains, but being that high with NOTHING beneath you is mind blowing. The view, of course, is phenomenal. All you hear and feel is the air rushing around you. You want it to last forever but the ground approaches quickly. At 5000 feet I pull the shoot and Range guides us to a smooth landing. It’s a rush to say the least. Admittedly this was my second jump, but the butterflies were swirling just as much as during my first leap 6 years ago. You say you like roller coasters, a nice view, and being buffeted by the wind? Well jumping out of a perfectly good airplane may be just the thing for you… just don’t forget to pull the rip cord!!! Rob Marciano CNN Meteorologist Actually, this comes off pretty good."I'm not lost. I don't know where I'm going, but there's no sense in being late." Mathew Quigley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tombuch 0 #3 May 29, 2008 Quote Actually, this comes off pretty good. It does come off pretty good, but Nick makes a great point about being honest with our students on every jump. Imagine a student being injured several weeks later on a completely unrelated jump, and then claiming the DZ said she couldn't be injured. The student then files a suit against the DZ. The drop zone will claim they are a responsible operation and never offered the false assurance, but then the student presents this video of an instructor offering a bold faced lie on national TV. Add to that a handfull of video tapes of other students busting clouds in direct violation of FAR's, and perhaps a few other documented violations and video quotes on the $100.00 take home DVD's. How much credibility do you think the operation has left? See, it's important that we always act responsibly, follow the regulations, and be honest with our students. That's where our reputation cames from. And when everything goes bad, the documented reputation of the DZ and the instructor may be all that is hanging between you and a jury.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyh2omedic 0 #4 May 29, 2008 Very well put. Reputation is all. If all would concede this as good advice and follow this philosphy, then make it part of our culture it would do wonders for our sport and we would shine more."You can't teach what you don't know and you can't lead where you won't go" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yarak 0 #5 May 29, 2008 well I dont think anyone told her that she couldnt be injured, just that she wouldnt fall out of the harness. Which is %99.9999999999999999999999 true. I swear, some people get on here and nit pick every little thing in the world. So what he told her that she couldnt fall out of the harness. If she was of appropriate health and the harness was used properly then I would say he told the truth. Would you perfered him tell the truth like this: "not a chance, unless you are fat or crippled" I'd say his discretion was the best approach. You just took a positive skydiving report and are lettng your ego turn it negative. Probably because you are jealous that it wasnt you on TV. Its funny to see people on here second guessing how an instructor should have answered a question that was asked light heartedly. I mean did his answer really offend you so much that you thought you should start a thread about this "crisis". What am i saying? I'm sure you could have done a perfect job and answered all the questions perfectly and stunned the tv audience with your amazing wit. Then you would prove to everyone how amazingly perfect and righteous you are. Seriously, would you have perfered that instructor to say yes it is possible, then go into detail about the special circumstances that were involved in those accidents? Are you dumb enough to think they would have aired that long drawn out answer? NO they would have just cut it at "yes it is possible". Then every whuffo watching thinks there is a legitimate chance of falling out. That would be a greater misrepresentation of the sport. People that nit pick like you are the reason why we will all have to have lawyers write preapproved answers for us one day.I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tombuch 0 #6 May 29, 2008 Quote Seriously, would you have perfered that instructor to say yes it is possible, then go into detail about the special circumstances that were involved in those accidents? Are you dumb enough to think they would have aired that long drawn out answer? Umm, no. All it takes is to say something like "It's my job to make sure you don't fall out." That's it. Simple and direct. And honest. To say it can't happen is a lie. We are supposed to be professionals, and understanding how to represent our business and industry is part of professionalism. You are correct that nobody is perfect, and we can't all nail every interview every time, but we can sure try, and we can take note when we hear ourselves say something that grates. The original post didn't seem to me to be an attack on the instructor so much as a point out of things we might be saying without realizing they could pose a problem. The question...can I fall out of my harness...is a common one, and every instructor should have an accurate and honest answer ready.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #7 May 29, 2008 Quotejust that she wouldnt fall out of the harness. Which is %99.9999999999999999999999 true In a thread about not lying, you just did. I know of 2 instances of passengers falling out of the harness. For you wonderfully innacurate percentage to be real, there would have had to be more the 2000 trillion (sorry, I dont know what after trillion) tandem jumps made. This will probably make you all fussy on the inside, proving your point that people nit pick on details, but there you go. Quoteevery whuffo watching thinks there is a legitimate chance of falling out. That would be a greater misrepresentation of the sport. People that nit pick like you are the reason why we will all have to have lawyers write preapproved answers for us one day. I think its poeple like you who make it too easy for lawyers to file suits.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yarak 0 #8 May 29, 2008 wow one intelligent response and one nit picking moronic response. Sorry I didnt get the decimal right and sorry that you you took the time to do the math. I wasnt lying, I was being sarcastic and using that wild estimation for dramatic effect. the true percentage would still be astronomical odds. And those two fatalities were special cases. You can still call me a liar if you want, but I think most people with a fully functioning brain knew that my number was a dramatic estimation. Used only to get a point across. I'm not sure how I'm responsible for lawyers having it easy? I'm just pointing out the fact that we live in a world of blown proportions and its getting old. Therefore I cant stand to support people that blow things out of proportion. Tom is right, the question could have been danced around. What I am saying, is that his answer was closer to the truth than it was a lie. And to be put on the spot on a TV interview I think he did fine. I just dont think this was a significant enough statement to make fuss over or to start a thread over. Thanks Tom for making a reasonable post. Remster, I obviously struck a nerve with you. You must have felt I was being harsh with the original poster. I suppose you are his friend and you are sticking up for him. It makes sense, I heard you were an emotional guy. Anyway, the fact you would take a obvious example percentage that was thrown in for effect and actually do math that involved total world wide tandem numbers completely verifies your nit picking tendencies. At least you called yourself out on it though. I swear, the moment i read trillions and you admited you did the math. I laughed uncontrolably then felt a little sorry for you. I have to discredit your post now. I mean come on you cant be taken seriously and be a veiled PA removed by slotperfect. It just doesnt work.I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #9 May 29, 2008 Quote Anyway, the fact you would take a obvious example percentage that was thrown in for effect and actually do math that involved total world wide tandem numbers completely verifies your nit picking tendencies. At least you called yourself out on it though. I swear, the moment i read trillions and you admited you did the math. I laughed uncontrolably then felt a little sorry for you. What you just said cracked me up. Do I need to re-hash what you posted last year on the other forum (which almost nobody posts or reads anymore because they don't jump there anymore)? You went waaaaay out of your way to crunch numbers on a certain DZ.com poster, and now you're laughing at Remster? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Madison 0 #10 May 29, 2008 Can't say I wouldn't be a bit nervous doing my job with a CNN camera in my face. People have practiced multiple things over and over knowing they will be on T.V. and still make mistakes. From screwing up the National Anthem to a boob popping out during Superbowl halftime...( we can argue if that was a mistake, or a even qualified as a boob, for that matter). Point being: we are human beings. Having the whole world watching you can make a human being be exactly that... a human being. Seems there are more perfectionists on here than human beings. Decent human beings cut each other some slack, especially your fellow TM's. We know about the 2 incidents. Doesn't seem like this TM "lied" or even really misspoke: "Any chance of my coming out of this thing [the harness]." "No." "Never happens?" "No, never." So: No one has EVER fallen out of THAT harness, or with him, so: True statement. Not a lie at all, or even a mistake. You can take anything out of context and read it how you want. Sounds like thats what you did, but it's O.K., because we are human beings. Let's be decent ones. Blue Skies, AprilExperience is what you get when you don't get what you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Remster 30 #11 May 29, 2008 Quote I suppose you are his friend and you are sticking up for him. A swing and a miss! I've never met Tom nor Nick, nor have I exchanged any PM's with them that I recall... Quote You can still call me a liar if you want, but I think most people with a fully functioning brain knew that my number was a dramatic estimation. Used only to get a point across. yes, and it missrepresent the facts. Quote What I am saying, is that his answer was closer to the truth than it was a lie. If believing that makes you happy, great! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yarak 0 #12 May 29, 2008 good post April Its good to see a level headed reasonable person on here. You totally get it, thank you! billy, my math post was funny though. thats the difference. Also you are not an instructor so why are you posting here? You only came here to try to start something. We are having a real discussion and your distraction is not needed. I guess when its all said and done, you will never please everyone with your answers. Especially in a world of know it alls, self righteous forum posters, and 20/20 hindsight. If he had told the truth there would be people here saying he shouldnt have mentioned the possibilities. If he goes into explanation then it gets chopped by the editors adn is shown completely out of context. Then he would get crucified for that. He had a brief moment to come up wiht a short simple answer. If he had danced around the question or replied with some witty retort, people would accussed him of not being upfront about the question. Once again people would have said he lied. Basically no matter what he said the crowd on this site was going to have a "better" answer. I think he told the truth the best he could. This is the true answer: "no one has fallen out except one fat person and a cripple" Is that the answer you guys wanted to hear on CNN? Maybe there is a better way to handle it but I think the TM did fine. The bottom line is how you answer that question correctly is a matter of opinion. I dont think there is a right or wrong on that one. People will have differences of opinion. Also how do you know that the TM didnt tell the student about the rare cases? Maybe he did clarify his answer to her afterwards and that boring footage was simply left on the cutting room floor. They only have so much time for a story you know? Anyway, its sad that skydivers are taking what is positive skydivng exposure and trying to nit pick it to something negative. Arent there enough negative reports about skydiving. Like fat people and cripples falling out of harness's? Which by the way CNN reported about the lady that fell out so technically they should have already known it was "possible".I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites sdctlc 0 #13 May 29, 2008 He could be referring to the fact that it has never happened to him... Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #14 May 29, 2008 I would have replied "Not if I adjust it properly." Then I'd hold my hand out for a tip. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yarak 0 #15 May 29, 2008 hell yeah. I like your styleI'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #16 May 29, 2008 [warning]Veiled PAs are still PAs and are not tolerated in the forums. Using urban slang doesn't make it OK.[/warning]Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billeisele 130 #17 May 29, 2008 I'm trying to understand exactly why you took the time to post, and in doing so need to understand a term that you use what is a "nit"? Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites yarak 0 #18 May 30, 2008 its knit without the KI'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ryoder 1,590 #19 May 30, 2008 Quote "Any chance of my coming out of this thing [the harness]." "No." "Never happens?" "No, never." Well, if I were representing the TI, I would explain that the question as asked, referred to the specific harness being used for that jump."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #20 May 30, 2008 A few years back, when my kids were young, we were sitting on the couch, watching a kids show. On this program there were 2 young kids flying on a air force tanker for a refueling mission. The young girl asked the pilot on camera if any accidents had ever happened refueling. He replied "Not to my knowledge." Somehow he kept a straight face. I told my kids he was totally lying. Why bother with that. Tell the truth somehow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NickDG 23 #21 May 30, 2008 >>I swear, some people get on here and nit pick every little thing in the world.Actually, it was more of a nick-pick NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jlmiracle 7 #22 May 30, 2008 QuoteI'm not sure how I'm responsible for lawyers having it easy? then why don't you ask your boys ben and cary, jBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites danielcroft 2 #23 May 30, 2008 mmmmm Ben & Jerry ice cream Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Jumpah 0 #24 May 30, 2008 Quote Quote "Any chance of my coming out of this thing [the harness]." "No." "Never happens?" "No, never." Well, if I were representing the TI, I would explain that the question as asked, referred to the specific harness being used for that jump. Priceless!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites MakeItHappen 15 #25 May 30, 2008 QuoteThis morning CNN is running a piece on a reporter, inspired by Michell's high altitude jump, who did a Tandem in New Jersey. During gear-up the conversation went like this . . . "Any chance of my coming out of this thing [the harness]." "Is there at all a chance for this to come loose from you?" "No." "Never happens?" "No, never." I think the pax might have been asking about the pax harness coming loose from the TM's harness, not about a fall-out of the pax harness. It all depends on what 'you' means. (a Clintonism??). .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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RB_Hammer 0 #2 May 29, 2008 From CNN.com: May 29, 2008 Atmospheric freefall Posted: 09:18 AM ET As a meteorologist I’ve been fascinated by the French skydiver trying to jump from a balloon at 130,000 feet. Flying thru the stratosphere at the speed of sound with nothing but a skimpy space suit is just crazy to me. Michel Vournier dreams of breaking the freefall record were postponed again this week when his balloon flew off without him. Regardless, the whole story got me wanting to jump. So up I went with a plane full of other more experienced skydivers at Freefall Adventures in south Jersey. Going “tandem” with a pro attached to me for safety, we jumped at 15,300 feet (solidly in the troposphere). That’s about 600 mb of atmospheric pressure (surface is around 1000mb). So the breathing isn’t easy and I got a little light headed and cold (temperature is less than 40 degrees at that height). Doesn’t matter cause you’re not there for long, and once you jump the adrenaline erases any chill in the air. A quick acceleration to a peak speed of 138 mph and you realize Newton was right about this whole gravity thing! Wow what a ride!!!! At that altitude the air is thin but oxygen isn’t required… no helmet or space suit either. Tee shirt, jeans, and instructor Range Luda strapped to my back is all that was needed. Freefalling for 70 seconds was incredible… spiritual in fact. I’ve been on top of high mountains, but being that high with NOTHING beneath you is mind blowing. The view, of course, is phenomenal. All you hear and feel is the air rushing around you. You want it to last forever but the ground approaches quickly. At 5000 feet I pull the shoot and Range guides us to a smooth landing. It’s a rush to say the least. Admittedly this was my second jump, but the butterflies were swirling just as much as during my first leap 6 years ago. You say you like roller coasters, a nice view, and being buffeted by the wind? Well jumping out of a perfectly good airplane may be just the thing for you… just don’t forget to pull the rip cord!!! Rob Marciano CNN Meteorologist Actually, this comes off pretty good."I'm not lost. I don't know where I'm going, but there's no sense in being late." Mathew Quigley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #3 May 29, 2008 Quote Actually, this comes off pretty good. It does come off pretty good, but Nick makes a great point about being honest with our students on every jump. Imagine a student being injured several weeks later on a completely unrelated jump, and then claiming the DZ said she couldn't be injured. The student then files a suit against the DZ. The drop zone will claim they are a responsible operation and never offered the false assurance, but then the student presents this video of an instructor offering a bold faced lie on national TV. Add to that a handfull of video tapes of other students busting clouds in direct violation of FAR's, and perhaps a few other documented violations and video quotes on the $100.00 take home DVD's. How much credibility do you think the operation has left? See, it's important that we always act responsibly, follow the regulations, and be honest with our students. That's where our reputation cames from. And when everything goes bad, the documented reputation of the DZ and the instructor may be all that is hanging between you and a jury.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyh2omedic 0 #4 May 29, 2008 Very well put. Reputation is all. If all would concede this as good advice and follow this philosphy, then make it part of our culture it would do wonders for our sport and we would shine more."You can't teach what you don't know and you can't lead where you won't go" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarak 0 #5 May 29, 2008 well I dont think anyone told her that she couldnt be injured, just that she wouldnt fall out of the harness. Which is %99.9999999999999999999999 true. I swear, some people get on here and nit pick every little thing in the world. So what he told her that she couldnt fall out of the harness. If she was of appropriate health and the harness was used properly then I would say he told the truth. Would you perfered him tell the truth like this: "not a chance, unless you are fat or crippled" I'd say his discretion was the best approach. You just took a positive skydiving report and are lettng your ego turn it negative. Probably because you are jealous that it wasnt you on TV. Its funny to see people on here second guessing how an instructor should have answered a question that was asked light heartedly. I mean did his answer really offend you so much that you thought you should start a thread about this "crisis". What am i saying? I'm sure you could have done a perfect job and answered all the questions perfectly and stunned the tv audience with your amazing wit. Then you would prove to everyone how amazingly perfect and righteous you are. Seriously, would you have perfered that instructor to say yes it is possible, then go into detail about the special circumstances that were involved in those accidents? Are you dumb enough to think they would have aired that long drawn out answer? NO they would have just cut it at "yes it is possible". Then every whuffo watching thinks there is a legitimate chance of falling out. That would be a greater misrepresentation of the sport. People that nit pick like you are the reason why we will all have to have lawyers write preapproved answers for us one day.I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #6 May 29, 2008 Quote Seriously, would you have perfered that instructor to say yes it is possible, then go into detail about the special circumstances that were involved in those accidents? Are you dumb enough to think they would have aired that long drawn out answer? Umm, no. All it takes is to say something like "It's my job to make sure you don't fall out." That's it. Simple and direct. And honest. To say it can't happen is a lie. We are supposed to be professionals, and understanding how to represent our business and industry is part of professionalism. You are correct that nobody is perfect, and we can't all nail every interview every time, but we can sure try, and we can take note when we hear ourselves say something that grates. The original post didn't seem to me to be an attack on the instructor so much as a point out of things we might be saying without realizing they could pose a problem. The question...can I fall out of my harness...is a common one, and every instructor should have an accurate and honest answer ready.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #7 May 29, 2008 Quotejust that she wouldnt fall out of the harness. Which is %99.9999999999999999999999 true In a thread about not lying, you just did. I know of 2 instances of passengers falling out of the harness. For you wonderfully innacurate percentage to be real, there would have had to be more the 2000 trillion (sorry, I dont know what after trillion) tandem jumps made. This will probably make you all fussy on the inside, proving your point that people nit pick on details, but there you go. Quoteevery whuffo watching thinks there is a legitimate chance of falling out. That would be a greater misrepresentation of the sport. People that nit pick like you are the reason why we will all have to have lawyers write preapproved answers for us one day. I think its poeple like you who make it too easy for lawyers to file suits.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarak 0 #8 May 29, 2008 wow one intelligent response and one nit picking moronic response. Sorry I didnt get the decimal right and sorry that you you took the time to do the math. I wasnt lying, I was being sarcastic and using that wild estimation for dramatic effect. the true percentage would still be astronomical odds. And those two fatalities were special cases. You can still call me a liar if you want, but I think most people with a fully functioning brain knew that my number was a dramatic estimation. Used only to get a point across. I'm not sure how I'm responsible for lawyers having it easy? I'm just pointing out the fact that we live in a world of blown proportions and its getting old. Therefore I cant stand to support people that blow things out of proportion. Tom is right, the question could have been danced around. What I am saying, is that his answer was closer to the truth than it was a lie. And to be put on the spot on a TV interview I think he did fine. I just dont think this was a significant enough statement to make fuss over or to start a thread over. Thanks Tom for making a reasonable post. Remster, I obviously struck a nerve with you. You must have felt I was being harsh with the original poster. I suppose you are his friend and you are sticking up for him. It makes sense, I heard you were an emotional guy. Anyway, the fact you would take a obvious example percentage that was thrown in for effect and actually do math that involved total world wide tandem numbers completely verifies your nit picking tendencies. At least you called yourself out on it though. I swear, the moment i read trillions and you admited you did the math. I laughed uncontrolably then felt a little sorry for you. I have to discredit your post now. I mean come on you cant be taken seriously and be a veiled PA removed by slotperfect. It just doesnt work.I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #9 May 29, 2008 Quote Anyway, the fact you would take a obvious example percentage that was thrown in for effect and actually do math that involved total world wide tandem numbers completely verifies your nit picking tendencies. At least you called yourself out on it though. I swear, the moment i read trillions and you admited you did the math. I laughed uncontrolably then felt a little sorry for you. What you just said cracked me up. Do I need to re-hash what you posted last year on the other forum (which almost nobody posts or reads anymore because they don't jump there anymore)? You went waaaaay out of your way to crunch numbers on a certain DZ.com poster, and now you're laughing at Remster? "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Madison 0 #10 May 29, 2008 Can't say I wouldn't be a bit nervous doing my job with a CNN camera in my face. People have practiced multiple things over and over knowing they will be on T.V. and still make mistakes. From screwing up the National Anthem to a boob popping out during Superbowl halftime...( we can argue if that was a mistake, or a even qualified as a boob, for that matter). Point being: we are human beings. Having the whole world watching you can make a human being be exactly that... a human being. Seems there are more perfectionists on here than human beings. Decent human beings cut each other some slack, especially your fellow TM's. We know about the 2 incidents. Doesn't seem like this TM "lied" or even really misspoke: "Any chance of my coming out of this thing [the harness]." "No." "Never happens?" "No, never." So: No one has EVER fallen out of THAT harness, or with him, so: True statement. Not a lie at all, or even a mistake. You can take anything out of context and read it how you want. Sounds like thats what you did, but it's O.K., because we are human beings. Let's be decent ones. Blue Skies, AprilExperience is what you get when you don't get what you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #11 May 29, 2008 Quote I suppose you are his friend and you are sticking up for him. A swing and a miss! I've never met Tom nor Nick, nor have I exchanged any PM's with them that I recall... Quote You can still call me a liar if you want, but I think most people with a fully functioning brain knew that my number was a dramatic estimation. Used only to get a point across. yes, and it missrepresent the facts. Quote What I am saying, is that his answer was closer to the truth than it was a lie. If believing that makes you happy, great! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarak 0 #12 May 29, 2008 good post April Its good to see a level headed reasonable person on here. You totally get it, thank you! billy, my math post was funny though. thats the difference. Also you are not an instructor so why are you posting here? You only came here to try to start something. We are having a real discussion and your distraction is not needed. I guess when its all said and done, you will never please everyone with your answers. Especially in a world of know it alls, self righteous forum posters, and 20/20 hindsight. If he had told the truth there would be people here saying he shouldnt have mentioned the possibilities. If he goes into explanation then it gets chopped by the editors adn is shown completely out of context. Then he would get crucified for that. He had a brief moment to come up wiht a short simple answer. If he had danced around the question or replied with some witty retort, people would accussed him of not being upfront about the question. Once again people would have said he lied. Basically no matter what he said the crowd on this site was going to have a "better" answer. I think he told the truth the best he could. This is the true answer: "no one has fallen out except one fat person and a cripple" Is that the answer you guys wanted to hear on CNN? Maybe there is a better way to handle it but I think the TM did fine. The bottom line is how you answer that question correctly is a matter of opinion. I dont think there is a right or wrong on that one. People will have differences of opinion. Also how do you know that the TM didnt tell the student about the rare cases? Maybe he did clarify his answer to her afterwards and that boring footage was simply left on the cutting room floor. They only have so much time for a story you know? Anyway, its sad that skydivers are taking what is positive skydivng exposure and trying to nit pick it to something negative. Arent there enough negative reports about skydiving. Like fat people and cripples falling out of harness's? Which by the way CNN reported about the lady that fell out so technically they should have already known it was "possible".I'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #13 May 29, 2008 He could be referring to the fact that it has never happened to him... Scott C."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #14 May 29, 2008 I would have replied "Not if I adjust it properly." Then I'd hold my hand out for a tip. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarak 0 #15 May 29, 2008 hell yeah. I like your styleI'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slotperfect 7 #16 May 29, 2008 [warning]Veiled PAs are still PAs and are not tolerated in the forums. Using urban slang doesn't make it OK.[/warning]Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 130 #17 May 29, 2008 I'm trying to understand exactly why you took the time to post, and in doing so need to understand a term that you use what is a "nit"? Give one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yarak 0 #18 May 30, 2008 its knit without the KI'll huff and I'll puff and I'll burn your fucking packing tent down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #19 May 30, 2008 Quote "Any chance of my coming out of this thing [the harness]." "No." "Never happens?" "No, never." Well, if I were representing the TI, I would explain that the question as asked, referred to the specific harness being used for that jump."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #20 May 30, 2008 A few years back, when my kids were young, we were sitting on the couch, watching a kids show. On this program there were 2 young kids flying on a air force tanker for a refueling mission. The young girl asked the pilot on camera if any accidents had ever happened refueling. He replied "Not to my knowledge." Somehow he kept a straight face. I told my kids he was totally lying. Why bother with that. Tell the truth somehow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #21 May 30, 2008 >>I swear, some people get on here and nit pick every little thing in the world.Actually, it was more of a nick-pick NickD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #22 May 30, 2008 QuoteI'm not sure how I'm responsible for lawyers having it easy? then why don't you ask your boys ben and cary, jBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielcroft 2 #23 May 30, 2008 mmmmm Ben & Jerry ice cream Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jumpah 0 #24 May 30, 2008 Quote Quote "Any chance of my coming out of this thing [the harness]." "No." "Never happens?" "No, never." Well, if I were representing the TI, I would explain that the question as asked, referred to the specific harness being used for that jump. Priceless!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MakeItHappen 15 #25 May 30, 2008 QuoteThis morning CNN is running a piece on a reporter, inspired by Michell's high altitude jump, who did a Tandem in New Jersey. During gear-up the conversation went like this . . . "Any chance of my coming out of this thing [the harness]." "Is there at all a chance for this to come loose from you?" "No." "Never happens?" "No, never." I think the pax might have been asking about the pax harness coming loose from the TM's harness, not about a fall-out of the pax harness. It all depends on what 'you' means. (a Clintonism??). .. Make It Happen Parachute History DiveMaker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
