JohnRich 4 #1 June 3, 2008 Quick and simple question: What is the minimum recommended altitude for a tandem cutaway from a malfunctioned main canopy? Just curious... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tetra316 0 #2 June 3, 2008 Per the Vector manual: Min main deployment is 4000ft Min reseve initiation is 2500ft So cutaway no later than 3k.... (manual says initiation not deployment of reserve by 2500) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #3 June 3, 2008 QuotePer the Vector manual: Min main deployment is 4000ft Min reseve initiation is 2500ft So cutaway no later than 3k.... (manual says initiation not deployment of reserve by 2500) I've always thought that 2500' seemed to be kind of pushing the envelope up against the 1900' cypres fire. Has anyone here ever sniveled/stalled a tandem reserve into an AAD fire? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #5 June 3, 2008 Strong says: "Low speed malfunction ... Initiate cutaway before 3,000 feet and activate reserve. (Cypres activates at 2,000 feet.)" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #6 June 3, 2008 Quotee. Has anyone here ever sniveled/stalled a tandem reserve into an AAD fire? Yes, one of my coworkers has done that. Had a biplane or downplane, I can't remember. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficus 0 #7 June 4, 2008 QuoteQuotee. Has anyone here ever sniveled/stalled a tandem reserve into an AAD fire? Yes, one of my coworkers has done that. Had a biplane or downplane, I can't remember. I think not... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigsteve 0 #8 June 4, 2008 [Has anyone here ever sniveled/stalled a tandem reserve into an AAD fire? ] If your reserve is sniveling, how can an AAD fire? The reserve is already out of the container, right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #9 June 4, 2008 Quote [Has anyone here ever sniveled/stalled a tandem reserve into an AAD fire? ] If your reserve is sniveling, how can an AAD fire? The reserve is already out of the container, right? How does the AAD know your reserve is out of the container? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #10 June 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuotee. Has anyone here ever sniveled/stalled a tandem reserve into an AAD fire? Yes, one of my coworkers has done that. Had a biplane or downplane, I can't remember. I think not... You guys aren't serious are you? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #11 June 4, 2008 Okay, the tandem main was pdeployed low, it sniveled, the AAD fired the reserve into it. Now, is that clear? I wasn't really sure what that first question was asking/wondering about/alluding to reserve AAD snivel fire. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #12 June 4, 2008 Quote Okay, the tandem main was pdeployed low, it sniveled, the AAD fired the reserve into it. Now, is that clear? I wasn't really sure what that first question was asking/wondering about/alluding to reserve AAD snivel fire. I was asking if a chop at 2500' could result in an AAD fire regardless of whether the reserve has already been deployed by the RSL or handle. The other two guys' responses suggested than an AAD couldn't fire if the reserve has already been deployed by other means, which, if true, would suggest there's something about AADs that I'm dramatically misinformed on. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #13 June 4, 2008 More than once an AAD cutter has fired after the reserve is out, due to snivel or just finally pulling the reserver at the critical altitude. It's one of many pieces of evidence in reconstructing what happened in some incidents. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ficus 0 #14 June 4, 2008 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotee. Has anyone here ever sniveled/stalled a tandem reserve into an AAD fire? Yes, one of my coworkers has done that. Had a biplane or downplane, I can't remember. I think not... You guys aren't serious are you? Don't confuse me with the guy who said the AAD wouldn't fire. I'm saying that sniveling/stalling a reserve through firing altitude is not going to result in a 2-out, at least not because of the AAD firing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #15 June 4, 2008 Alright, cool...we're all on the same page with regard to how an AAD works. I guess my point was that, given how slow tandem reserves can open, is a 600 ft cushion between cutaway altitude and AAD fire sufficient to minimize the frequent purchase of new cutters? I'm guessing Booth and Strong and Cloth took this into consideration at some point, it's just not a discussion I've ever had and I'm wondering about real life experiences. Meh, I suppose it's not that big of a deal. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #16 June 4, 2008 I usually get scared below 3000ft since between 3000 and 2000 one might end up "between canopies". That seems like a bad plan. So there you go - 3000ft. "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
douwanto 22 #17 August 17, 2008 cypres does not require the container be closed or reserve closed to fire. I have seen several fire with the loop not cut ( after the container is open. Uncle/GrandPapa Whit Unico Rodriguez # 245 Muff Brother # 2421 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wharewaka 0 #18 August 23, 2008 John Rich. 3000 feet is a common limit for low speed malfunctions on a reserve. Cutaway before 3000 feet! If you have a baglock try to cutaway as soon as possible, there is the potential that the 3 rings will take some time to release if you are in a belly to earth position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wharewaka 0 #19 August 23, 2008 Sorry malfunctioning main of course....! Try to cutaway a malfunctioning tandem main higher than 3000 feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
