Andrewwhyte 1 #1 June 29, 2009 I have never done an AFF exit from an otter, nor has anyone else here. We will be doing them for five or six days starting Wednesday. I am wondering about instructors preferred exits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #2 June 29, 2009 I prefer the student squatting in the door - right foot forward, left foot back, head outside facing the prop. One JM out, one in. One of our older instructors prefers the reserve side JM out front-float, student middle-float, and main-side in the door. Both work. I think the first is easier unless the student is really large... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #3 June 29, 2009 QuoteI prefer the student squatting in the door - right foot forward, left foot back, head outside facing the prop. One JM out, one in. The most common method used these days.you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #4 June 29, 2009 QuoteI prefer the student squatting in the door An Otter door is really big. Focusing them on being in a "lunge" position might work better than being in a "squat"Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #5 June 29, 2009 On the dynamic exit is the reserve side front float or aft of the student with their leg grip hand crossing their body? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #6 June 29, 2009 QuoteOn the dynamic exit is the reserve side front float or aft of the student with their leg grip hand crossing their body? Very close aft. Right hand holding the student's leg strap and left hand on the bar. Chin on the student's left shoulder.....Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #7 June 29, 2009 What aircraft do you normally have?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #8 June 29, 2009 QuoteWhat aircraft do you normally have? Cessnas. I have done AFF out of a King Air and one or two from a Beech-18. We used the 3 floater exit on both of those. Actually I just got a pm from a friend who has a lot of Otter AFF experience who will be here on Wednesday. He will be helpful. Thanks Derek. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #9 June 29, 2009 When doing dynamic exits, keep student's hands off of door frames, floater bars, etc. That policy changed in Perris when a petite, dainty, female student hesitated, but the inside instructor continued pushing ... and broke her wrist. To eliminate that threat, Perris changed to having students rest their hands on their knees ... while looking at propeller, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #10 June 29, 2009 QuoteQuoteI prefer the student squatting in the door - right foot forward, left foot back, head outside facing the prop. One JM out, one in. The most common method used these days. Very true, but I have actually grown pretty fond of the "crouching monkey, hidden tiger" method that they use here at the Z-hills school on all but the tallest students. If that sounded odd, I will explain the technique: -outside instructor has left foot forward, right foot back and is hanging on with his/her left hand to the bar. That instructor is at least midway forward in the door so as not to hose the inside instructor -student has left foot between the feet of the outside instructor, right up against the bottom edge of the door opening. Right foot in about shoulder width apart and the student is crouching down and facing forward, head up, back as straight as possible. Student checks in; checks out, rocks left (towards door), rocks right, and rocks left and exits. -inside instructor generally has his/her left foot behind the left foot of the student, right foot as close to the door as possible, is crouched down with his head "dug in" and should anticipate the group getting pretty steep out the door. This method makes it super-easy for the outside instructor to launch cleanly, but it (in my experience) makes for some steep exits for the inside guy if you permit the student to stand towards the back of the door. I have yet to blow an exit from either position with this technique, but it does put taller students in a really bent-over exit position. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimsdu 0 #11 June 29, 2009 This is how we do it in DeLand... The video is a Pac exit but its the same for an otter just the otter has a slightly bigger door. Always try and have the student get their shoulder out of the door with hips forward. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy7caLCWiT4 I dont know how to do the clicky thing!!! Hope this helps Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skylord 1 #12 June 29, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy7caLCWiT4 There you go!Bob Marks "-when you leave the airplane its all wrong til it goes right, its a whole different mindset, this is why you have system redundancy." Mattaman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #13 June 29, 2009 QuoteI prefer the student squatting in the door - right foot forward, left foot back, head outside facing the prop. One JM out, one in. [\reply] Yep.... And have their hands "pray to jesus" together moving "up" and "down" as part of "prop, up, down, arch" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #14 June 30, 2009 I like this: Student right foot forward on edge of the step, left foot close behind also on edge of the step, standing up outside, facing forward, flat-hand grips on the door frame, shoulder all the way out, leaning back into a good arch. Count after hotel check is Prop (looking forward getting shoulders square to the wind), Up (up on toes only), Down (down to flat foot), Arch (student left foot stepping out into the relative wind while maintaining the arch). Reserve side JM out with right-hand grip on student legstrap, both feet behind the student's feet clear of student left foot movement, left hand on the bar. Main side JM inside with both hands gripping student. If it Main side JM starts getting steep, reserve side JM simply turns it counter-clockwise 90 degrees on the hill. I've done it both ways and simply prefer this one.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites voilsb 1 #15 June 30, 2009 Here's a video showing both an inside and outside view of the method Chuck described: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOXjateu_4s Forgive my cheesiness and inexperience; it was my first skydive.Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites heavydude 0 #16 July 4, 2009 I would rate it easiest plane to exit, even if your 6 ft +, Skyvan is also great, 1 Step backwards and your out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kimsdu 0 #17 July 5, 2009 Here's a video showing both an inside and outside view of the method Chuck described: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOXjateu_4s Quote My problem with that exit is they are already dearched leaving the plane... If you have them stand up with the shoulder out and hips forward they leave most of the time in that body position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #18 July 5, 2009 QuoteHere's a video showing both an inside and outside view of the method Chuck described: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOXjateu_4s Quote My problem with that exit is they are already dearched leaving the plane... If you have them stand up with the shoulder out and hips forward they leave most of the time in that body position. Which is why I like that door position best.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuckakers 425 #19 July 20, 2009 QuoteI have never done an AFF exit from an otter, nor has anyone else here. We will be doing them for five or six days starting Wednesday. I am wondering about instructors preferred exits. Hardly anyplace I know uses it anymore, but the most bulletproof exit in AFF is the (old) "Spaceland Exit". Reserve side door jams with his head while his butt is out of the plane (like floating, but holding yourself in the plane with the back of your neck/head). Student squats in the door, head up, facing the wingtip with their left foot forward, right foot back (to promote a belly into the wind exit). Main side is side-by-side with the student in the front third of the door. Student uses a rocking "out in arch" and exits toward the wingtip while trying to watch it (keeps the head up to promote an arch). This exit allows both instructors have both hands on the student at all times during the exit. It is also extremely easy to launch and nearly impossible for the student to funnel. It also gets rid of the cross-arm grip required for the floating reserve instructor exit.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NealFitz 0 #20 July 21, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206Dudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #21 July 21, 2009 Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KathleenL 0 #22 July 22, 2009 That one really sounds good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ozzy13 0 #23 July 23, 2009 Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206 Man t throw that PC. You held on to it every time!!!Never give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NealFitz 0 #24 July 23, 2009 when i was doing training he told me to hold it for a second and then let go- this was 3 years ago however and I definately dont do that now hahaha- still when i watch the instructors videos every time he pitches he looks over his shoulders holds onto pc and deploys, and all his canopies are either 120s or sub 100 Dudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #25 July 26, 2009 Quotewhen i was doing training he told me to hold it for a second and then let go ..." ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// That is a bad habit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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popsjumper 2 #14 June 30, 2009 I like this: Student right foot forward on edge of the step, left foot close behind also on edge of the step, standing up outside, facing forward, flat-hand grips on the door frame, shoulder all the way out, leaning back into a good arch. Count after hotel check is Prop (looking forward getting shoulders square to the wind), Up (up on toes only), Down (down to flat foot), Arch (student left foot stepping out into the relative wind while maintaining the arch). Reserve side JM out with right-hand grip on student legstrap, both feet behind the student's feet clear of student left foot movement, left hand on the bar. Main side JM inside with both hands gripping student. If it Main side JM starts getting steep, reserve side JM simply turns it counter-clockwise 90 degrees on the hill. I've done it both ways and simply prefer this one.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voilsb 1 #15 June 30, 2009 Here's a video showing both an inside and outside view of the method Chuck described: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOXjateu_4s Forgive my cheesiness and inexperience; it was my first skydive.Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heavydude 0 #16 July 4, 2009 I would rate it easiest plane to exit, even if your 6 ft +, Skyvan is also great, 1 Step backwards and your out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kimsdu 0 #17 July 5, 2009 Here's a video showing both an inside and outside view of the method Chuck described: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOXjateu_4s Quote My problem with that exit is they are already dearched leaving the plane... If you have them stand up with the shoulder out and hips forward they leave most of the time in that body position. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #18 July 5, 2009 QuoteHere's a video showing both an inside and outside view of the method Chuck described: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOXjateu_4s Quote My problem with that exit is they are already dearched leaving the plane... If you have them stand up with the shoulder out and hips forward they leave most of the time in that body position. Which is why I like that door position best.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuckakers 425 #19 July 20, 2009 QuoteI have never done an AFF exit from an otter, nor has anyone else here. We will be doing them for five or six days starting Wednesday. I am wondering about instructors preferred exits. Hardly anyplace I know uses it anymore, but the most bulletproof exit in AFF is the (old) "Spaceland Exit". Reserve side door jams with his head while his butt is out of the plane (like floating, but holding yourself in the plane with the back of your neck/head). Student squats in the door, head up, facing the wingtip with their left foot forward, right foot back (to promote a belly into the wind exit). Main side is side-by-side with the student in the front third of the door. Student uses a rocking "out in arch" and exits toward the wingtip while trying to watch it (keeps the head up to promote an arch). This exit allows both instructors have both hands on the student at all times during the exit. It is also extremely easy to launch and nearly impossible for the student to funnel. It also gets rid of the cross-arm grip required for the floating reserve instructor exit.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NealFitz 0 #20 July 21, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206Dudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #21 July 21, 2009 Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KathleenL 0 #22 July 22, 2009 That one really sounds good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ozzy13 0 #23 July 23, 2009 Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206 Man t throw that PC. You held on to it every time!!!Never give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NealFitz 0 #24 July 23, 2009 when i was doing training he told me to hold it for a second and then let go- this was 3 years ago however and I definately dont do that now hahaha- still when i watch the instructors videos every time he pitches he looks over his shoulders holds onto pc and deploys, and all his canopies are either 120s or sub 100 Dudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #25 July 26, 2009 Quotewhen i was doing training he told me to hold it for a second and then let go ..." ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// That is a bad habit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
popsjumper 2 #18 July 5, 2009 QuoteHere's a video showing both an inside and outside view of the method Chuck described: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOXjateu_4s Quote My problem with that exit is they are already dearched leaving the plane... If you have them stand up with the shoulder out and hips forward they leave most of the time in that body position. Which is why I like that door position best.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuckakers 425 #19 July 20, 2009 QuoteI have never done an AFF exit from an otter, nor has anyone else here. We will be doing them for five or six days starting Wednesday. I am wondering about instructors preferred exits. Hardly anyplace I know uses it anymore, but the most bulletproof exit in AFF is the (old) "Spaceland Exit". Reserve side door jams with his head while his butt is out of the plane (like floating, but holding yourself in the plane with the back of your neck/head). Student squats in the door, head up, facing the wingtip with their left foot forward, right foot back (to promote a belly into the wind exit). Main side is side-by-side with the student in the front third of the door. Student uses a rocking "out in arch" and exits toward the wingtip while trying to watch it (keeps the head up to promote an arch). This exit allows both instructors have both hands on the student at all times during the exit. It is also extremely easy to launch and nearly impossible for the student to funnel. It also gets rid of the cross-arm grip required for the floating reserve instructor exit.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NealFitz 0 #20 July 21, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206Dudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnDeere 0 #21 July 21, 2009 Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KathleenL 0 #22 July 22, 2009 That one really sounds good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ozzy13 0 #23 July 23, 2009 Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206 Man t throw that PC. You held on to it every time!!!Never give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NealFitz 0 #24 July 23, 2009 when i was doing training he told me to hold it for a second and then let go- this was 3 years ago however and I definately dont do that now hahaha- still when i watch the instructors videos every time he pitches he looks over his shoulders holds onto pc and deploys, and all his canopies are either 120s or sub 100 Dudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #25 July 26, 2009 Quotewhen i was doing training he told me to hold it for a second and then let go ..." ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// That is a bad habit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
chuckakers 425 #19 July 20, 2009 QuoteI have never done an AFF exit from an otter, nor has anyone else here. We will be doing them for five or six days starting Wednesday. I am wondering about instructors preferred exits. Hardly anyplace I know uses it anymore, but the most bulletproof exit in AFF is the (old) "Spaceland Exit". Reserve side door jams with his head while his butt is out of the plane (like floating, but holding yourself in the plane with the back of your neck/head). Student squats in the door, head up, facing the wingtip with their left foot forward, right foot back (to promote a belly into the wind exit). Main side is side-by-side with the student in the front third of the door. Student uses a rocking "out in arch" and exits toward the wingtip while trying to watch it (keeps the head up to promote an arch). This exit allows both instructors have both hands on the student at all times during the exit. It is also extremely easy to launch and nearly impossible for the student to funnel. It also gets rid of the cross-arm grip required for the floating reserve instructor exit.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NealFitz 0 #20 July 21, 2009 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206Dudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #21 July 21, 2009 Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KathleenL 0 #22 July 22, 2009 That one really sounds good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozzy13 0 #23 July 23, 2009 Quotehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JURzdeLiqdY her eis my 1st AFF exit from an otter (15th jump after RAPS). i loved its big door compared to our c206 Man t throw that PC. You held on to it every time!!!Never give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NealFitz 0 #24 July 23, 2009 when i was doing training he told me to hold it for a second and then let go- this was 3 years ago however and I definately dont do that now hahaha- still when i watch the instructors videos every time he pitches he looks over his shoulders holds onto pc and deploys, and all his canopies are either 120s or sub 100 Dudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #25 July 26, 2009 Quotewhen i was doing training he told me to hold it for a second and then let go ..." ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// That is a bad habit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
