unconscious jumper

[webracer 0]

I am interested in what most will do in the following scenario:
A fellow jumper loses conciousness during a jump, and you try to chase to deploy them. You get there with plenty of altitude (hopefully), and deploy which parachute? I am assuming you attempt to stabilize them (more difficult than it sounds), and return to normal belly speeds.
My answer is deploy the reserve. My reason is: with today's hp (& small) canopies, you may deploy the person, but he/she dies anyway (if they don't regain consciousness). Under an eliptical, an unconcious person would likely sag in the harness in such a way to cause a spin or other mal.
Unless I knew the person was using a square, I would deploy the reserve, which hopefully (especially if properly sized) would keep them alive even if they didn't regain consciousness
Post your opinions and supporting reasons.

[jumpervali 2]

In most of the cases when an experienced jumper opts for a cypres, and uses this as the event that makes it a needed item. They need to consider "is this the canopy size I'd be willing to land unconscious." I'd dump the reserve also that's what the AAD fires.
jumpervali

[Zennie 0]

I'd go for the reserve.
"Wear the grudge like a crown. Desperate to control. Unable to forgive. And we're sinking deeper."

[johnny1488 1]

Id probably say "god dammit, that faker is f*ing up my skydive!!!"
No, I to would go for the ol' silver. They say its your last chance canopy and this is probably their last chance. How do you deploy them stable? Try to go under them to force them belly to earth until they are pulled from your hands?
Johnny

[jumpervali 2]

Dock in a side body, grab each lift web, and give it a crank. This is a standard AFF maneuver. It's kinda fun too!
jumpervali

[skymedic 0]

silver or reserve pad..whichever they have...
Marc
Because I fly, I envy no man on earth

[pack40 0]

Oh another reason for good old round chute.
The poor guy would maybe brake his leg during the landing of course not using the superb T-10 which gives an extra mini-freefall while it is opened already.

[E150 0]

Bloody good point - had not thought of thet.

[johnny1488 1]

someone with a round reserve just put themselves in the incident report because their reserve malfunctioned on opening. A give and take sort of thing
Johnny

[PhreeZone 20]

Not many, if any people have a T-10 for reserve useage. Most round reserves are 24,26, or 28 foot Lo-Po's or Security rounds. There are a few conicals still out there and some other stuff, but the T-10 is generally only used for military applications.
T-10's can be stood up in no wind with a little practice if you don't have gear hanging under you. Other wise, the entire purpose of a T-10/ Military round, is to get you to the ground safley as fast as possible to minimise the possibilty of gettting shot under canopy. Might not be pretty, but it works.
A rainy day at the DZ is better then a Sunny day at work

[rgoper 0]

no second thoughts, go for the silver!
Richard
"Gravity Is My Friend"

[PLFKING 4]

Okay, guys, take this line of reasoning one step further......
(I ask because I had a bad dream about this last month....always happens after too many tequila shooters !)
I dreamed that one of my very good friends and i are in on a four-way....she gets knocked out in freefall, we chase her down and pull her reserve, then another jumper hooks into her canopy "CReW-style", and steers her back to the DZ, where jumpers on the ground catch her, or at least break her fall....(weird dream, I know...but I've wondered about it ever since.)
Is this even possible to do ? My 72 jumps contain no CReW work....can you steer another's canopy with no input from them at all ?
"Curious in N.C."

[lazerq3 0]

This actually happened where a guy somehow upon opening broke or hurt his back, his friend then locked his feet around this guys riseres and flew him back to the DZ. They both landed together flaring at the same time. The funny thing about this story is that when they landed the one guy yelled out to some spectators " hey can you give this guy a hand" and everybody started clapping.Thinking it was a show, Then he yelled "NO he needs help" and then people came to help. I saw this on REAL TV! The guy flying both canopys also had it on vidoe so it was cool to watch!
jason

[indyz 1]

I remember seeing that on RealTV (I think, might have been some other low budget reality series). The guys where doing skydive-bungee, where they had a bungee between them, the exit the plane together, and one guy pulls. Not an especially bright idea if you ask me. Anyway, the bungee broke (big surprise) and one of them got very seriously hurt.
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Brian

[Aviatrr 0]

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....can you steer another's canopy with no input from them at all ?

Actually, during CReW, the bottom person has very little control.. The top man flies the stack or plane, as the case may be.. The only problem would be that the person would not be able to flare while unconscious, and it would not be smart for the top man to try to flare both people.. At that point, I would steer 'em toward a clear landing area(preferably with people around, such as the DZ) and let 'em go at 50-100ft or so.. If they are unconscious, it should be kinda like a drunk in a car accident..
Doing something like that is NOT a good idea for somebody not experienced at CReW, or at least a shit hot canopy pilot, IMO.. The chances of making the problem worse are pretty high if the person is inexperienced..
Mike

[PhreeZone 20]

Yeah... that Event happened at Skydive Greensburg a few years ago. I've heard it mentioned around the DZ in the last few weeks since we've got some visiting jumpers from their latly. The name SkyPunk came up with it so if any of you jump there, He's the one to ask to get more details to tell the rest of us about it........
A rainy day at the DZ is better then a Sunny day at work

[freeflir29 0]

Mike- I heard a story once of someone swooping a guy in a main reserve entanglement. Pinned him and flew them both to the ground. I think they both ended up with broken bones but lived. Any truth?????
The nation which forgets its defenders will be itself forgotten- Calvin Coolidge

[Aviatrr 0]

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Any truth?????

I seriously doubt it.. Was this a guy that lives in AZ, and runs some special ops team? DOH!
Mike

[BPO 0]

Blue skies!

[mountainman 0]

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I seriously doubt it.. Was this a guy that lives in AZ, and runs some special ops team

hahahahaha.........
Anyway, i would go reserve if i could even catch the person. since they probably wouldn't be belly to earth in a nice healthy arch, wouldn't they probably be all over the sky??
Just wonderin.
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[billvon 2,990]

>Anyway, i would go reserve if i could even catch the person. since they probably wouldn't be belly to earth in a nice healthy arch, wouldn't they probably be all over the sky??
Yep. The AFF JCC is the ultimate way to practice for this, since you jump with evaluators who intentionally try to do just that - slide all over the sky.
-bill von

[skyhawk 2]

lol
i can laugh cause i KNOW that i am better than all of you :-)
i live my life 14000 ft at a time, nothen else matters, in that 60 seconds or less im free

[skyhawk 2]

sorry (thats what happens when doen 2 threads at the same time )
also another thing alot of jumpers (spec exp ones) are jumping tiny little reserves so they fit in the container eg 120 on a 90kg guy or less so everyone should try and land atleast near them (expect students ect dont need more troubles) cause tehy will be hurt
good thread
i live my life 14000 ft at a time, nothen else matters, in that 60 seconds or less im free

[billvon 2,990]

>also another thing alot of jumpers (spec exp ones) are jumping tiny little reserves
> so they fit in the container eg 120 on a 90kg guy or less so everyone should try
> and land atleast near them (expect students ect dont need more troubles) cause
> tehy will be hurt
Excellent point. I had a friend who once said that, if you really and truly believe that your AAD will only be needed if you get knocked out, then you better be using a big round reserve - an AAD that opens a reserve that's too small to land you hands-off doesn't do you much good. Of course, history has shown that most AAD firings are just loss of awareness, so that's not the whole story.
-bill von

[riggerrob 643]

On the subject of Cypres saves and tiny reserves:
Al Frisby refuses to pack Cypri and tiny reserves in the same container because he believes that even if the Cypres saves you, an unconscious landing under a tiny reserve will kill you.
Al may be a grumpy old fart, but I have to respect him on this point.