bunkerup 0 #1 June 3, 2011 I have recently started my AFF. I know I need to make approx 12 coached jumps after my 7 AFF. My question is this, if the DZ charges 95 including rental my ride and the coaches jump does the coach recieve anything other than the free jump. This sure seems like a great thing for someone who loves to jump and helping others enjoy the sport more and by all means I appreciate the assistance. I was just wondering if tipping is expected or required. Thanks for the info Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deisel 38 #2 June 3, 2011 First off - its not a free jump. Done correctly, coaching is work. And when youre the only coach on the DZ on a saturday afternoon, you can end up getting worked into the ground! To answer the question - no, a tip is not required or expected. Buy jump tickets (for you - not the coach) and beer (for you AND all your new best friends) instead. For me, the biggest payoff is seeing someone finally accomplish something that had been a challenge. If learning happens and I can be a part of that, then Ive had a good day at the DZ. Keep jumping and have fun.The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bunkerup 0 #3 June 3, 2011 By no means did I intend to imply that coaching is not work. I do a fair amount of training and precepting in my career and I understand the amount of effort that goes into each and every class or sesion. Thanks for the input and the beer will flow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #4 June 3, 2011 Quote For me, the biggest payoff is seeing someone finally accomplish something that had been a challenge. If learning happens and I can be a part of that, then Ive had a good day at the DZ. Keep jumping and have fun. AMEN, Brotha!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deisel 38 #5 June 3, 2011 I wasnt trying to flame you out, bro. There are plenty of other folks that will read this. Some of them are potential coaches or those considering getting a rating. There are also plenty that truly believe that being a coach (or TM/AFFI/whatever) is all about getting free jumps and some dont ever consider the responsibility and commitment involved. I truly hate working around these type of people. So I was kind of putting it out there as food for thought for anyone thinking about doing it.The brave may not live forever, but the timid never live at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #6 June 3, 2011 During a jump, having a student look over at you and give the biggest shit eating grin because they just nailed it is one reason why I coach. Not sure who was wearing the bigger smile, me or my student. Just something I learned from my first coach. Thanks K-Bob. 50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonathan.newman 1 #7 June 3, 2011 It all depends on the DZ. Some club DZs have coaches who don't get paid for the jump. Another pays $10 for the jump. Another $15, and another $20. Oh, and yes, we get paid with smiles and little warm fuzzies, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
danielcroft 2 #8 June 3, 2011 We get paid for coach jumps at my DZ but I don't bother putting in for them, I just like helping people out. I did a "coach" jump the other day which was actually just a two way with a guy who didn't have his A yet. We had a dive plan and did pretty well at it and the student had fun, I don't need money for that. I did get my slot paid for which was great but it was a good time irrespective. edit: no tip expected or required! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #9 June 3, 2011 QuoteI was just wondering if tipping is expected or required. Required? Oh hell no. Expected? If you get that vibe, go someplace else. To a much larger degree, instructors take massively more responsibility jumping with students and have usually invested a hell of a lot more time, effort, and money in getting where they are. I think they can more reasonably "expect" tips although many of the people who work to get that rating don't think as much about tips.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joellercoaster 6 #10 June 3, 2011 Coaching works a little differently here to the US, but I think people do it for the same reasons. It's genuinely work, and there is always more demand than supply - at some DZs, if you don't say no, then you will coach all weekend, every weekend. The free jumps don't remotely cover the time you spend briefing, debriefing, psychoanalysing, and (importantly) not doing other jumps. But it's worth it. Further compensation than this is not required: Pay attention, smile, improve, buy us a beer :)-- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #11 June 8, 2011 Quote Coaching works a little differently here to the US, but I think people do it for the same reasons. It's genuinely work, and there is always more demand than supply - at some DZs, if you don't say no, then you will coach all weekend, every weekend. The free jumps don't remotely cover the time you spend briefing, debriefing, psychoanalysing, and (importantly) not doing other jumps. But it's worth it. Further compensation than this is not required: Pay attention, smile, improve, buy us a beer :) And stick around to help us drink that beer!!! Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShayneH 0 #12 June 9, 2011 I'm assuming that you're talking about Mile Hi. If that's the case, then yes, the coach gets paid for the jump, and the DZ is not making any profit on said jump. Tipping is not expected, however, a case of beer usually goes over pretty well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Don 0 #13 June 9, 2011 Quote I wasnt trying to flame you out, bro. There are also plenty that truly believe that being a coach is all about getting free jumps This is what I HATE about the "coach" rating. No talent, 100 jumps, got the rating... Screw the newbies!!!!! Free jumps!!!! I am NOT being loud. I'm being enthusiastic! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 466 #14 June 9, 2011 Quote Quote I wasnt trying to flame you out, bro. There are also plenty that truly believe that being a coach is all about getting free jumps This is what I HATE about the "coach" rating. No talent, 100 jumps, got the rating... Screw the newbies!!!!! Free jumps!!!! As someone looking into the coach rating, I would hope that you are wrong. Granted someone with 100 jumps is not as skilled a jumper as someone with a C or D license. The course outline shows a fair amount of emphasis on the teaching aspect which is something that jumps (and skydiving talent) don't necessarily build on. I see the coach rating as a step towards jumping with and helping new jumpers. A coach is really the first person who is not an instructor that you should be jumping with. For the student that is a step forward and it obviously carries significant responsibility for the coach. I would hope that a newly qualified coach is providing their services free of charge as they are getting as much from the jump as the student. However having the slot paid for as a coach should be adequate return for the coach who is a fun jumper (not their day job). I also think we either have beer rules or tipping. I like the beer rules so would prefer to see them stay (but then I haven't made a career out of jumping).Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hokierower 0 #15 June 9, 2011 I know that for my 7 AFF coached jumps (8-14), the cost was $100 and covered my slot ($22), the coach's slot ($22), the gear rental ($30), and then $10 for the coach. The rest ($15-20) went to the DZ. I'm only at 20 jumps but I'm looking forward to getting my coach's rating. It's the same way when I was a rowing coach, seeing the look on a kids face when everything clicks and they feel great about themselves. Mucho thanks to Khawk & Marion for my coached jumps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feeblemind 1 #16 June 10, 2011 Quote Quote I wasnt trying to flame you out, bro. There are also plenty that truly believe that being a coach is all about getting free jumps This is what I HATE about the "coach" rating. No talent, 100 jumps, got the rating... Screw the newbies!!!!! Free jumps!!!! The coach I/E in this area will not rubber stamp a rating! If you are a no talent 100 jump wonder you will not get a rating if you lack the skills. Fire Safety Tip: Don't fry bacon while naked Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rowet 0 #17 June 10, 2011 and I would disagree the DZ aka Frank doesn't make any money on the jump. First 28+28 for the two slots. Is the DZ not making any money for the two slots paid for? at 28 bucks a jump I think they are doing well. Then 25 for the gear rental per jump. So if those rigs are 6000 a piece then after about 300 jumps they have to be paid off and making money for the DZ after packers and cost of repacks ect. And many of those rigs have been there for a long time which = cash making for the DZ on rental rigs. And the coach does make cash/jump and always like beer or tips but tips are not necessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #18 June 22, 2011 I think we need a sign on the fridge: ATTENTION AFF STUDENTS If you feel the need to tip, put some beer in me instead. Good stuff though - if you are tempted to get Icehouse, Bud Light, Coors, etc - give the $$$ to a more experienced jumper and they will demonstrate proper execution of a beer transaction. Is that too much for a sticker?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #19 June 22, 2011 Quote This is what I HATE about the "coach" rating. No talent, 100 jumps, got the rating... Screw the newbies!!!!! Free jumps!!!! I notice that YOU don't have a Coach rating yet? Surely you are interested in helping out the Pre-A youngsters, eh?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #20 June 22, 2011 Quote Quote Quote I wasnt trying to flame you out, bro. There are also plenty that truly believe that being a coach is all about getting free jumps This is what I HATE about the "coach" rating. No talent, 100 jumps, got the rating... Screw the newbies!!!!! Free jumps!!!! The coach I/E in this area will not rubber stamp a rating! If you are a no talent 100 jump wonder you will not get a rating if you lack the skills. It is the same at my DZ. I earned mine... probably more so then some T/I's that I have heard about. Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #21 June 23, 2011 Quote ... I earned mine... probably more so then some T/I's that I have heard about. Oh, hell. Now you got me started on that whole rating requirement thing. It severely grinds my shorts that you can get get a Coach rating one day and an AFF or TI rating the next. Stupid USPA. It's unbelievable how often that happens.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #22 June 23, 2011 Quote Quote ... I earned mine... probably more so then some T/I's that I have heard about. Oh, hell. Now you got me started on that whole rating requirement thing. It severely grinds my shorts that you can get get a Coach rating one day and an AFF or TI rating the next. Stupid USPA. It's unbelievable how often that happens. They listened, that can only happen if the Candidate has 500 jumps or more now. The rest have to wait 12 months after the Coach Course for an I Course. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brucet7 0 #23 June 23, 2011 Quote I notice that YOU don't have a Coach rating yet? Surely you are interested in helping out the Pre-A youngsters, eh? That is why I coach. Tuesday I walked up to a 13 jump student and asked if he wanted company. His first question, "Will it cost me?" Nope. I am on the load, he needed to practice his dive to dock so lets go. No tip, no beer, just a little free advice. "Get your legs off you rear and don't backslide."POPS #10623; SOS #1672 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #24 June 23, 2011 Quote They listened, that can only happen if the Candidate has 500 jumps or more now. The rest have to wait 12 months after the Coach Course for an I Course. Nope. They only partially listened. 500 OR 12 months. Didn't change a damned thing for >500 people. 500 jumps and an AFF rating with still no experience teaching anything. BS. Never even taught an FJC. BS Did I say BS? Let me repeat that....BS!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #25 June 23, 2011 Quote That is why I coach. Tuesday I walked up to a 13 jump student and asked if he wanted company. His first question, "Will it cost me?" Nope. I am on the load, he needed to practice his dive to dock so lets go. No tip, no beer, just a little free advice. "Get your legs off you rear and don't backslide." And hopefully, you actually worked with him... Explaining, demonstration from you vertically, then him, horizontally, then him, etc. Good oral and written debrief with corrective demonstration and practice.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
